Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[bobsnox]

hmmm beck or nintendo?

[bobsnox]

Well nintendo will probably claim scum if he is, so I'll go with Beck.

VOTE: Beck[/vote

and John Beck sucks too. I miss Dan Marino.

[bobsnox]

That's not a bolding issue, and I'm well aware (thank goodness). I feel bad for the Redskins for having him at the helm.

VOTE: Beck

[bobsnox]

YES BECK WAGON

[bobsnox]

YES I WANT TO SHOOT BECK WITH MY LASERS

Nah, I'm just waiting to find a better suspect (unless Beck turns out to be the best suspect). I'm not really 100% anti-Beck like it seems.

[bobsnox]

1] Why did you decide to give mafiascum a try?

Acosmist introduced me here. I wanted to play on another site besides my own.

2] How do you react to people attacking you?

Normally I'm a little sarcastic when facing ad hom but I try to avoid it and be productive.

3] What will you be known for in this game?

Being one of the last men standing on the field of victory.

4] What is your time zone?

EST

5] How frequently can we expect you to post?

Several times a day, but my MO is short posts. Walls are not fun to read.

[bobsnox]

nintendo are you scum?

[bobsnox]

well then

[bobsnox]

Flavour - I said Nintendo would claim scum if he is and someone asked me why I didn't ask him if he's scum. So I asked him. <_<

Snake - Guess I didn't see your question...

[bobsnox]

Snake - I still don't see it... Are you referring to:

If this is true why would you not pressure nintendo to see if he squeal's?

?

The dude can't avoid the rope on his own.

[bobsnox]

Yes, I've played with Beck. I'm on it because I want him to die <_<

But I also want to see what comes of the wagon as it builds. I want to see what Beck says and who he suspects, etc.

[bobsnox]

Flavour - I said Nintendo would claim scum if he is and someone asked me why I didn't ask him if he's scum. So I asked him. <_<

Snake - Guess I didn't see your question...

If it's true that ninetendo would claim scum if he was then why vote Beck over him to see how he reacts?

He wouldn't literally claim scum. I sometimes say slightly sarcastic things in these games. He will get himself lynched if he's scum though. Just pay attention to what he says in general.

Also added: what is your view on Nintendo's claim?

This?

nintendo are you scum?

Yes I am scum, good job finding me so quickly.

I wouldn't call it a claim. You are reading a little too much into things...

Let's see how he plays and I'll make a call on his alignment.

[bobsnox]

yep

[bobsnox]

lol

I think the game in which we had a problem with each other is still going on

Beck just really doesn't like me, but I suspect he's not really a complete jerk. He's just a good guy to be voting right now.

[bobsnox]

flavour - I'm waiting to see his reaction to having a bw on him. I don't have specific questions for him

[bobsnox]

scumhunt

[bobsnox]

or if you're scum, deflect

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: Beck
VOTE: kendall

She is trying too hard

[bobsnox]

kendall - I don't know what Beck is and I don't want him dead right away. I never pushed for a speedwagon. Just a wagon.

you are voting for me because i am trying too hard to be pro-town.

you are voting for me because i am

trying too hard

to be pro-town.

you are voting for me because i am

trying

too

hard

to be pro-town.

Yes. The effort you are putting in to SEEM protown is suspicious.

To be honest, I didn't realize your wagon was the second-largest to Beck's. I just read your posts, found them over the top, and changed my vote appropriately.

[bobsnox]

@bobsnox

, the only "

evidence

" that you have "against me" is that my actions are too pro-town. that evidence certainly does not incriminate me; in fact, it does the opposite.

Nice strawman. It's not that you're

too protown

but that you're

trying too hard

. You are trying to seem protown. Big difference. Minimizing the distinction is scummy.

I'm even more satisfied with my vote. Especially when your response is to tout yourself as being super helpful and super protown etc etc when it's day one and very little has happened yet. You certainly haven't caught scum since your vote is still on me.

Basically all you've done is intentionally prop yourself up as the epitome of townieness. The keyword is intentionally. You shouldn't have to do that or even worry about that if you're really town. Your play should speak for itself. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who reads that as a huge scumtell.

[bobsnox]

Kendall - mafia wants everyone dead so... Your paranoia is weird and uncalled for. You tried too hard to seem town, you attacked people poorly, and now you're just plain paranoid. Scummy scummy scummy.

[bobsnox]

MAFIA WANT ME DEAD YOU ALL ARE MAFIA FOR WANTING ME DEAD. I AM SO OBVIOUSLY PROTOWN THAT IS HURTS AND EVERYONE WHO WANTS ME DEAD IS SCUM. That's more than newbie paranoia, glowball.

Her enemies are also poorly picked.

[bobsnox]

Hiraki - how does your list work?

[bobsnox]

Guys.

When Nintendo talks about the person as though they are confirmed scum, they are basically confirmed town.

kthx, move on to better targets.

crap. you have a point. but not a solid enough point to unvote kendall.

Ray is right: Kendall is not playing the newbcard and not really behaving like a newb either. I want to see this lynch all the way through unless someone else practically claims scum.

[bobsnox]

nanook - get your facts straight dawg. I DON'T think kendall is playing the newbie card. nintendo does, but he's using it out of context.

kendall - I did explain my vote. denying that basic truth is just bad.

Hiraki - can you give me an updated list of your top two or three suspects?

[bobsnox]

So what are we supposed to do. Let kendall ride through the days and hope a vig gets a kill on her?

I'mma laser her tonight actually, so I guess we can move on

UNVOTE: kendall

In other news, my scumdar is going crazy in Hiraki's direction. I feel like he's usually stronger when he's town. I could go for a Hiraki-lynch.

Flavour: 409+ is right on. I'm about to sheep you for being my best town read.

[bobsnox]

She refuses to buckle and keeps fighting. Scum with this much heat would have back down long ago so the more time that goes by and she is still holding strong says a lot. I mean it's ridiculously ignorant for any player, but scum would never let it get this far.

that's not true dude. she would be under even more of a microscope if she changed her attitude. the more she rants and raves, the more people start spontaneously calling her town and pushing to move elsewhere.

but it's ok - she dead soon

[bobsnox]

it's relevant to this game so I brought it up. We're not just going to ignore that debate because it's theory...

[bobsnox]

Hiraki is scum

[bobsnox]

I was reviewing his ISO

I would prefer a Hiraki wagon but I'll go with DJ for now

VOTE: DonJosh

[bobsnox]

You ask a lot of questions. I'll get back to you on them.

[bobsnox]

my play was only as distracting as the town made it to be, because no one had seen play like mine before.

:rollllllllllllllllllllllll:

Hiraki - I'm wondering that myself. I had small scumvibes from him earlier even though we mostly agreed on kendall, but his recent posts don't have a town taste to them.

[bobsnox]

Okay. I skimmed through this whole thing through a phone, so I'm definitely gonna re-read it. I didn't really like kendall and saw that she replaced out. However, since kendall replaced out, I'll give her replacement a chance to defend themself.

UNVOTE: k e n d a l l

I don't like this. Kendall's slot isn't even close to a lynch, and you don't like her slot. Yet you're unvoting? Her replacement can defend himself with votes on him, and indeed, SHOULD have votes on him if he's supposed to worry about defending himself.

UNVOTE: donjosh
VOTE: sodaspirit17

[bobsnox]

lol no shot

[bobsnox]

you have said nothing new

I'm good with my vote

[bobsnox]

Bogre - never noticed. Guess I should have voted you instead! Too bad you're not paying attention to my posts either...
1 - Never had a strong scumvibe on Beck. I voted him out of semi-grudge which we both made clear was going on.
2 - I said I was going to sheep Flavour. Flavour wanted me to vote DJ. I did.
3 - kendall hasn't flipped yet. we don't know what that slot's alignment is. you guys are acting like she's conftown and that anyone who found her playstyle scummy is scum. this argument needs to die in a fire

But you know what. I have been waiting for Hiraki to acknowledge that I find him scummy. Unless I missed it, he's ignoring me.

So,

UNVOTE: soda
VOTE: Hiraki

[bobsnox]

glowball I was talking to bogre

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: Hiraki
VOTE: Ray Montano

ok Hiraki. You're still scum but I have more scumvibes from Ray. Care to join?

[bobsnox]

hiraki - lol

bogre - I really do.

[bobsnox]

I could go for an Umbrage lynch after the deflection and "why isn't kendall dead yet?" comment

[bobsnox]

yep it's me

obv

[bobsnox]

SO CLOSE. Got them all right but too slow.

[bobsnox]

SO CLOSE. Got them all right but too slow.

Bob I want you to explain why you stated this. Why did you jump to answering the questions as well?

Because I wanted to get in before scum. and for another reason I will disclose later.

Peregrine is prob scum, btw. I doubt he has my excuse. I could go for him over Ray honestly.

[bobsnox]

but now he has the prize so I guess we let him live for a day?

[bobsnox]

I asked Hiraki to explain that chart too. He really might be scum. He ignores me when I call him scum and ask him pointed questions, but then he agrees with me when I want to lynch Ray...

[bobsnox]

Bogre is so scum.

[bobsnox]

haha that's ironic. I'll tell you why later.

but no really bogre or Ray today.

[bobsnox]

Ray is so scum let's do this already. I know some of you guys suspect him. join the wagon. it's the cool thing to do.

[bobsnox]

hiraki that's not a slip - it's a statement only scum make but it's not a slip

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hiraki - he could be town and say it but town wouldn't phrase it so pointedly. it's overstated, really

[bobsnox]

I go out of town for two days and I miss 10+ pages ;_;

Who needs to be lynched? Was that a CC on Fourseen?

[bobsnox]

VOTE: fourseen

the monkey wouldn't be town.

[bobsnox]

Hey guys who should I shoot with my lasers tonight?

[bobsnox]

Mudslinging woo

[bobsnox]

1.)

bobsnox, did you "laser" glowball last night?

Nope but I think I got the result I wanted!

[bobsnox]

Bob. What do you think of Rainbow? Farside? Chkflip?

Also, can you vote TheJakalope for me?

Well after reading 1588 I'm kinda pissed! Rainbow's group-vig ability thing is weird, but the story checks out. I'm assuming they're the toy soldiers or something, but why is one of them trying to kill Buzz Lightyear?!

WHO ELSE HAS

LASERS

IN

TOY STORY

NANOOK? WHO? You should be lynched just for trying to kill me.

That said, I don't have lasers ;_; I just have cool protective suit. And if Nanook is town, I guess my plan didn't accomplish much. But is he town? Is Rainbow town? Apparently Rainbow and her other buddy wanted Nanook dead. So maybe they aren't the soldiers. hmmm...

[bobsnox]

We need to figure out why nanook thought killing buzz lightyear was a good idea

[bobsnox]

Spyrex read harder

[bobsnox]

Also, Bobs hint at being Buzz lightyear just made me feel more that he could either be scum or vig.

I could be scum

or a town PR

so let's just shoot me to find out?

VOTE: Nanook

[bobsnox]

because killing softclaimed town PRs is a good idea. obviously I wasn't softclaiming SCUM and obviously I was softclaiming BUZZ LIGHTYEAR. so yeah let's just take a shot and see what happens to buzz. definitely the best kill you could have chosen out of everyone in this game.

die scum

[bobsnox]

1.)

NanookTheWolf, I’m not quite sure your explanation for targeting bobsnox in Post 1659 actually explains why you are suspicious of bobsnox (though I guess my question did not

specifically

ask why you were suspicious of him, just why you targeted him). Could you be more concrete?

Additionally, why did you want to kill bobsnox on Night One?

Because I "might be scum

or a PR

"

Let's just shoot me to find out!

[bobsnox]

shooting buzz lightyear because it would have been "brilliant" of the mod to make buzz lightyear scum in Toy Story Mafia when Buzz was only brainwashed into being bad in one part of the last movie out of three movies, and considering buzz is always considered a good toy as opposed to the myriad of scum-candidates in said movies, is a bad idea. I'm amazed no one else is on this harder. You don't shoot a softclaimed town PR because the mod might have taken one small part of the overall story and used it as a basis to make that character bad when that character is a main, good character. You look for better suspects. You don't shoot him because his posts don't meet your expected word count. You realize that making buzz lightyear scum would be dumb, you look at the guy's meta if you're really that suspicious, and you move on.

ntw needs to be lynched today.

[bobsnox]

yeah let's outguess the mod because clearly I'm a great target to vig regardless of the fact that I'm a main GOOD GUY in the Toy Story series. And are you seriously suggesting that you would still try to shoot me after 1 - Nanook tried and failed and 2 - I claimed bulletproof?

what is this I don't even

I'm like 100% conftown unless you are seriously suggesting Buzz Lightyear is bulletproof scum in Toy Story Mafia.

smh

[bobsnox]

I'm like 100% conftown unless you are seriously suggesting Buzz Lightyear is bulletproof scum in Toy Story Mafia.

You just stepped over the line here.

At this point, I think we can assume scum have safe-claims. So claiming you are Buzz Lightyear does not

make

you Buzz Lightyear.

What's more, what I find far more important than the fact that you've claimed Buzz Lightyear is the fact that you pretty much claimed to be a Vigilante on Days One and Two, but once we had a 3-man Vigilante group claim on Day Three, you suddenly retracted your claim. And now you're claiming to be "bulletproof" (i.e., "don't shoot me because it's useless") instead.

So. Besides NanooktheWolf, who do you think is scum? Why did you lie about being a Vigilante, even going so far as to ask for a list of people you should "laser" at the end of Day Two?

Because, as it happens, if

I

were a Vigilante, I would almost

certainly

have tried to kill you solely because you suggested that

you

were the Vigilante. This is especially so if I were in a 3-person Vigilante group. Why would the Town seriously need

another

Vigilante? And why would the Town need another Vigilante after FlavourAnalysis has claimed Vig => JOAT with a Vig shot? Far more likely, in my mind, would be that you are a Serial Killer trying to pose as a Vig.

So please explain to me, again, why NanooktheWolf is suspect for wanting to kill the person who was effectively claiming his role. The chances of you being a Vigilante while he was part of a 3-Man Vigilante group were ridiculously slim. And as it turns out, you apparently

were

lying about being a Vig.

I was obv trying to draw a scum NK.

Explain to me what the scum motivation behind my doing so was please. What moron scum would claim softclaim vig REPEATEDLY and OPENLY like I did?

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Jumping in the same boat as Nanook is a bad idea.

Farside - is he a confirmed alien?

[bobsnox]

UNVOTE: nanook

I'm going to sheep rainbowpony. I don't see how Rainbow could be scum with the whole alien thing and farside's connection, so it's safe to say Rainbow's not bussing anyone.

VOTE: mike

[bobsnox]

I haven't read the last 5 pages. I wanted to respond to Juls. I'm really busy IRL right now.

Juls - I made that comment to Spyrex because I'm BULLETPROOF. He guaranteed me 3 days of life when I'm already guaranteed to be here until the end (unless several people decide to do something stupid).

That's why it's ironic.

[bobsnox]

what the heck is going on with this hiding stuff? <_<

My life is crazy right now. Who's doing what behind who?

Rainbow who are you voting?

[bobsnox]

wait

what did FA claim?

[bobsnox]

where I can't find it?

[bobsnox]

nevermind found it

FA claimed Woody JoaT?

[bobsnox]

I'll hammer but someone remind me: did we determine whether scum have fakeclaims or not?

[bobsnox]

@ Bobsnox - You say that you're bulletproof ... Is that only for the night time, or is that during the day as well?

I would guess night but I don't know.

UNVOTE: mikehart
VOTE: DeathNote

[bobsnox]

How am I confirmed scum again?

[bobsnox]

Well this won't help my case but it will clear a few things up for those who are still playing tomorrow. I bluffed about my role. I am actually a JoaT. I was only one shot BP and bluffed that it was permanent so I could survive. I actually did have a laser (one) and used it on Oversoul last night. I was also a one shot tracker - tracked Ray night one and saw no activity.

That's why I kept asking about the Woody JoaT claim by FA yesterday. I was surprised the mod would make both Woody and Buzz JoaTs.

Questions? Quick lynch?

[bobsnox]

so much scum on my wagon

so much disappointment on my face

Everyone who is saying my real claim confirms me as scum is a good candidate to lynch/kill going forward.

good game mod

[bobsnox]

scum motivation for my lying = ?

[bobsnox]

Scum motivation. I want theories. Why did I lie if I'm scum?

[bobsnox]

I lied about being just bulletproof

Scum motivation =

[bobsnox]

So, in other words, you want to know your scum motivation for, after a large wagon starts on you, suddenly changing your claim to a much more powerful role? Golly gee whiz, I don't know, possibly self-preservation? Trying to keep yourself from being lynched? Does that really seem that far-fetched?

That's a lame attempt which doesn't even address the issue in context. What will your excuse be when I flip town?

[bobsnox]

hey guys let's lynch scum or at least not BUZZ <_<

[bobsnox]

Just lynch me already so you can nail the scum on my wagon.

[bobsnox]

VOTE: bobsnox

[bobsnox]

I am very down for being lynched today because it will hopefully give this game the kick in the pants it needs. That said, I would like everyone who cares to come up with a plan for after I flip town (which I will). What's the next step when good old bobsnox doesn't actually turn out to be scum.

[bobsnox]

Bob, don't you understand that the game mechanics dictate that you are mafia? A hider cannot be killed unless he hides behind a scum. Jak hid behind you last night and this morning he's dead. How else can it be explained?

I got it, but all I know is I'm town and I'm going to flip town. There's nothing that says Jak for sure hid behind me. Maybe he got roleblocked or something.

Juls - lynching Woody is like lynching Buzz... I just can't do that at this stage.

[bobsnox]

Farside what will you do upon my town flip?

Lynch me already. I'm sick of this bob is confirmed scum crap

[bobsnox]

HAMMER ME

DO IT

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[bobsnox]

I'm so scum