NY135: Sexy Sedilla Semi-Open - Town Wins

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Hey, Swag.

You've been browsing this forum for a while now. How's it going?

-Ether

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Dude. You don't vote the discerning eye guy who knows best. That's not how it works.

-Ether

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Iso purposes:

Amrun and I have both seen our role.

The hydra hasn't been activated yet, though.

Note to all: when mine and Ethos' hydra gets activated, we will collect our isos into one post on the hydra for later ease.

Tripod.

Is that how this is gonna be?

It's a Frogs Mafia2 scumteam reunion... Kunk, why aren't you in a hydra? For shame.

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Bold tags are hard.

-Ether

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I am disappointed, but not surprised, to see that Tripod is scum again. ._.

-Ether

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Hiraki is the single player most likely to be scum.

Voting Ythan is stupid.

-Ether

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Parabollocks wagon also kinda stupid. In fact, I would go so far as to say that he's probably town.

-Ether

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Mm. Hiraki continuing to be scum.

-Ether

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Bold tags are hard.

-Ether

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If it were possible for there to be a jester in this set-up, it would be Hiraki. Who are you trying to dare, and for what reason?

-Amrun

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Please pay attention, Implosion. I've already answered this twice.

-Ether

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If you had a second vote, you would want to also put it on Hiraki. Cydonia is still on the "figure out later" list.

-Ether

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Parabollocks still town. Hiraki still obvobvobvscum. Dunno what SpyreX is smoking.

I am eagerly looking forward to what Swag thinks about that stuff he was reading yesterday.

-Ether

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I believe Swag. So he should be following up now on that stuff he's just read for the first time.

-Ether

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Well Hiraki I was kind of following Idher, but I realize he isn't scum, and do you really need an explanation?

What?

-Ether

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Parabollocks as newbtown is completely obvious in every way.

I would like to know what he thinks of Hiraki, though.

-Ether

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That was completely idiotic.

I would like to see Swag's offsite games. Or possibly make Amrun read them, since there's the whole "not being around for a week" thing.

-Ether

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Question to Swag on his Hiraki read also stands.

-Ether

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Someone asked us to explain the scumread on Hiraki.

I am less sure that Hiraki is scum, but agree with Ether in this assessment: so far, Hiraki is the most likely to be scum.

His meta is shifting overall (and not in a good way), which makes it harder to evaluate his play shift in this game. However, Hiraki is posting an incredible amount of useless noise and I think he's smart enough to know that and is doing it intentionally, which is scummy.

I believe swag's bookmark mixup, but that doesn't make him town. Swag, please link us some scum games, as Ether requested. While you're at it, link some town games, too.

-Amrun

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Quil: Yes.

No, though Ythan is townier than Ethos.

Their argument iis going nowhere.

-Amrun

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Quilford: So are you saying one of them is scum? Which one, and why?

-Amrun

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'll answer Ethos even though they neglect the circumflex. The Oversoul tell is null to me. It's a noobtell, non-alignment specific. But I didn't go OMG THAT SHIT IS CUHRAZY when you posted it.

Oversoul is probably town anyway, though.

Answer me, Quil.

-Amrun

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For me its 100% that bizarro world Para town because I would have made that vote on #36 from KKB business.

I freely admit its not deeper than that

I keep staring at this in an attempt to discern meaning, but I simply can't. Can you rephrase?

-Amrun

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Ethos: How does that compare to Mask's town play?

Spyre: If your explanation was sufficient, I wouldn't be asking. If you don't want to explain, I'll just ignore it, but don't expect me to know wtf you're talking about later if it comes up.

And our circumflex is lovely and required to express our desired meaning.

-Amrun

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It's not exactly that I believe he's faking V/LA, it's

I believe he's attempting to skeet

by doing minimal before actually going V/LA - Not the strongest reasoning I'm aware however it's a scum-read nevertheless. I'm not currently aware that he's an alt but thanks for openly revealing that.

I logged in to point out this hilarious typo because I am immature.

Ethos: How does that compare to Mask's town play?

From what I observed his town play involves a lot more effort being put in towards the game, especially at game start.

In which games did you observe this?

Spyre: I get you now. Excuse my brainfail.

-Amrun

P-edit: OMG WHAT DOES SKEET MEAN HERE I AM FUCKING DYING

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Aww skeet skeet mothafucka

Aww skeet skeet goddamn

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Amrum, in Speed Mafia, and oh jesus christ I thought skeet just meant to slide by but I just looked it up, I'm going to find myself the nearest cliff and jump.

Holy shit, that is beautiful.


Back to the game: I was in Speed Mafia. Mask was terribly lurky, so if you want to use that as an example, you'll have to be specific in what makes his townlurk different from his scumlurk and why that applies here, two days into the game.

-Amrun

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Vote: Quilford

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You should probably re-evaluate that KoC townread.

-Amrun

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Oversoul, I have many reasons for my vote on Quilford and it has little to do with Ethos. I'll throw you all a bone, though, and offer a few:

Quilford, you've asked a lot of questions. What I'm missing are the conclusions.

And the way you talk about people's alignments is sketch.


Oversoul, those in glass houses throw the most stones. (Hint: give actual content before criticizing others' style of play.)

SpyreX, just because parabollocks called you a faggot doesn't make him scum.

-Amrun

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Sorry. Ether's at Goofbash, and it's the weekend so I'm getting slammed at work.

In!4 what does skeet do at work

Things I have been meaning to log in and say:

Why in the SAM HELL is Ethos not voting for Quilford?

The other two wagons are terrible. Quilford, why did you leave Quilford out of your "viable wagon" discussion? Why create the false dilemma that everyone else must pick between Yos and Ethos (two bad wagons) when Quilford (good wagon) is equally viable?

KoC wins Fencesitter of the Year award.

Interested in hearing from sapo.

-Amrun

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Ythan, I asked you a question. Answer it, please.

KoC, parking your vote on the biggest wagon doesn't mean you're not fencesitting. Either way, I don't know why you're getting ypur panties all in a twist. I could be wrong; convince me by doing something original and/or that doesn't suck, not by pissing your pants because one person mentions a mild, off-hand suspicion of you while voting for someone else.

-Amrun

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The other two wagons are terrible.

Quilford,

Ythan, why did you leave Quilford out of your "viable wagon" discussion? Why create the false dilemma that everyone else must pick between Yos and Ethos (two bad wagons) when Quilford (good wagon) is equally viable?

You probably missed it because I accidentally addressed it to Quilford. Woops.

Obviously, this question is from my perspective and I am interested in hearing your response.

-Amrun

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To clarify, yes - the other wagons have 4. Quil has 2 and a virtual 3 since Ethos would obviously be willing to vote there. We have several players who need to check in and 9 whole days before deadline.

Virtually any wagon is viable at this point, but especially Quilford. Just because Yos and Ethos have marginally larger wagons doesn't mean that voters should choose between those two, at least at 9 days before deadline.

I felt like you were trying to create this false "either/or" situation which benefits no one - not even town, EVEN if they're BOTH scum (and I'm betting neither is).

-Amrun

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KoC, when I awarded you an award for fencesitting, that was an answer to your question. I didn't do it for the shits and giggles (well, maybe a little).

Why are you arguing that I haven't given any reasoning for that comment - it was to Ethos, btw - when you are currently arguing with me about said reasons?

-Amrun

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Empking, who were you planning to sheep that was scummy?

Opportunistic vote on Ethos noted.

Ethos wagon still spectacularly crap, by the way.

Ethos still needs to vote Empking.

-Amrun

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I need to actually catch up so I will do that and post again, but for now, Ethos needs to claim mason buddies. Most people have weighed in on the issues and claimed not mason, so it's simply a matter of deduction at this point. Obviously none of the people who voted for Ethos are masons; obviously none of the people who Ethos voted for are masons; obviously those that claimed not mason aren't masons; there are not many left. Scum simply has to hit in that pool to avoid the masons if they are PR hunting, without us even having the added benefit of having claimed masons. Might as well just freaking claim for those benefits.

-Amrun

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Also, I believe the rules dictate that swag should already have been replaced. Draonic's lack of content is nearing critical mass, though I know he is at goofbash and therefore v/la.

Oversoul and ethos are so townie it hurts. Tired of noise about it.

-Amrun

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Hiraki: No.

Ythan: Yes.

-Amrun

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Why isn't Empking dead yet?

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Hiraki, at least pretend you're reading.

Mastin, can you collect your thoughts into one post? That would be more organized and helpful.

-Amrun

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I forgot with T-Bone alright?

Sheesh.

I don't forget things with Ethos scum though.

One of the unfortunately funniest posts I've read in a mafia game.

-Amrun

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I haven't read most of the new content, but I have read enough to know that I'm fucking relieved that Ythan is gone and I don't even mind that the alternative is Mastin. Hi, Mastin! Tripod also needs to stop squabbling with the masons and the blatantly town Yosarian, but I don't know what this says about his alignment because it's not like he's physically capable of playing a town role anyway. Tripod, are you scum?

-Ether

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Okay. What were you trying to accomplish by yelling at Ethos for semantics after his mason claim? Why, exactly, do you think Yosarian is scum?

That would require me to actually have been following this game instead of dumping the work on Amrun. I'm trying to fix that now, obviously, but there's a lot of stuff here that I'm saddened to be putting up with again.

-Ether

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If you're still here, would you talk to me? I'm in a similar boat.

-Ether

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unvote

I would like Empking to claim who he's targeting before we go to night. It's not like there's anything in this setup to prevent his shot from going through.

Hiraki's death, for example, is something I would be completely cool with.

-Ether

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We think Untrod is a bad (but not the absolute worst) wagon.

KKB seems to have siteflaked.

KoC is an excellent wagon for several reasons, the least of which is not post 774 which made me laugh out loud.

Hiraki is a good vig shot precisely because he hasn't seemed to realize he is going to be vigged - there are other reasons, but that is a good one.

Oversoul: There are no vengekills in this game.

Zepher: Why are you saving your reads? What possible benefit is there for that?

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Above post was Amrun. Sorry.

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Oh, and...

Vote: Knights of Cydonia

P-edit: ...

-Amrun

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If there is a mafia bookie--and I think Reckoner was fascinated enough with the idea when he decided to run a Sedilla in the first place--then there is no way that it has not predicted Empking for the lynch. (Assuming he's not a traitor, or the bookie himself, I guess.)

I think it's safe to assume that Empking is confirmed scum and look elsewhere accordingly. There might still be a real vig out there, or we could lynch a bookie ourselves or something nice like that.

Having said that, I have still been putting off actually reading this thread. Sorry. Yosarian, can you sit next to me?

-Ether

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The above argument forgets the part where Empking is scum himself.

-Ether

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(If Empking were actually a vig, then there'd no use tagging him unless you think he's going to forget his kill a second time. But this point is moot.)

-Ether

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This is not actually LyLo, there is not actually more than one scum faction, and Yosarian's typo was from town. That's all kind of obvious.

Also, probably lots of scum on the Empwagon. But most of the plays this game that I really hate are the ones that a lot of people seemed to agree on. It's frustrating. Makes it hard to pinpoint shit.

-Ether

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Scumteam is four people, one of whom might or might not be a traitor. (Normally I'd assume no, but I think the older drafts of this game had one? Can't remember.) Obviously they have a bookie, and presumably also a rolecop because Reckoner screwed up Empking's flip.

Zephyr, do you have any idea what a chainsaw actually is?

-Ether

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There was one kill Night 1. There are 11 players left and 6 to lynch. Yosarian, you're confusing this game with something else and it's really obvious that there's only one scumgroup. Help me find it.

-Ether

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For what it's worth, I don't think I'm obvtown either. Pretty blatantly off my game here.

I don't really think Zephyr is the way to go.

-Ether

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Kanye is another wagon that I am not...really interested in. But feel free to argue with that and shit.

I have exactly zero opinion on Chair.

-Ether

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2) if the wagon had failed that day and we had gone with a different lynch and lynched empking later,

scum would have lost that bookie shot

. scum HAD to push the wagon THAT DAY. This isn't a normal lynch wagon - it's a wagon that the scum needed to go through THAT DAY to get the bookie. Even if they had a second/third/whatever shot, they would have wanted to save those extra shots.

Chair's error on the nature of the bookie role puts him on the town list. Hooray!

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(-Ether)

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Pretty sure the bookie only loses a shot when it's successful, and the scum know this. If you believed otherwise, then why the fuck were you voting Empking? Reckoner's idle, but I'll ask him to clarify when he's on.

-Ether

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Huh.

Okay, the Empwagon is now that much scummier.

-Ether

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The "every night." (Also, I wrote the original Sedilla and intended the bookie to only lose shots if it succeeded; I took it for granted that Reckoner interpreted it the same way here. It wasn't really expected to succeed much.)

Definitely need to look over the last day with that in mind.

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Yes.

I'm a bit confused with what you're trying to accomplish by figuring out my incorrect train of thought. Do you think it affects my alignment?

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Also, (-Ether) and (-Ether), obviously.

-still Ether

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I've reread a bit. Let's do this.

Empking (8): SpyreX, Knight of Cydonia,

T-Bone

, kanyeknowsbest, Yosarian2, Oversoul,

Hiraki

, saporovirus

In light of the bookie's nature, I will absolutely not vote anyone off of this list in the near future. Yosarian is obviously town, so he's off the hook. The fact that Kanye even tried to resist it early, immediately after I first drew the thread's attention to the bookie's existence, automatically gives him points, though it bugs me how easily SpyreX convinced him to flip over. Anyway, Amrun thinks he's town, and I'm fine with leaving it at that for now. Oversoul does the same and holds out longer and switches over more convincingly than Kanye, plus he's one of the people who misinterpreted the bookie role (861); I'm pretty sure he's town based on that.

I reeeeeally don't like Sapo's hammer, which is her only post of the day at all. As for her Day 1 play...she voted Empking, yeah, but fairly late into the wagon, and announced that she supported his lynch over the Tripodlynch after he'd claimed, the wagon had dissipated and it was completely obvious that it wasn't happening. She feels sinister. I dunno if there's some other nuance Yosarian saw in her, but if there is, I'm gonna want to hear it.

SpyreX and Ludi's predecessor are also both pretty bad, though Cydonia at least misinterpreted the bookie role. I hate a lot of things about SpyreX's play: his terrible push on Ethos, his terrible disbelief at a fucking Day 1 mason claim that helped lead to the whole masonry getting outed, his terrible pushing of the Emplynch

when he knew that not putting it off would cost us a lynch thanks to parity

.

Of the three, Amrun is least enthusiastic over my SpyreX hate; she's only null on him and has scum reads on the other two. And Ludi just replaced in, so...I dunno, if he wants to confess, that's cool, but otherwise I'm fine joining Kunkstar.

vote: sapovirus

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I don't think that's why things went down the way they did. I seriously doubt the scum actively decided to trap one of their number in an obviously-lynchable fakeclaim on Day 1 and sacrifice it on Day 2; the "claim vig, stall for day, profit" plan could have worked at any time. (If it was even a plan at all. The fakeclaim/bookie combo didn't occur to me until Day 2; I just assumed he was obvtown until the kill didn't happen. Though it seems obvious in retrospect. Bah.)

Of course. I'm still voting her.

Sidenote:

True. If scum came in and speedhammered him to stifle talk, though, it'd be suicide. Can't see anyone doing it.

I don't believe Empking.

Vote: Empking

[conspicuous lack of acknowledging Sapo]

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(-Ether has forgotten how to sign posts.)

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No. We're not lynching Chair or Zephyr. That is not how this is going to go down.

Your criteria is completely backwards. There were 15 players alive yesterday. That gave the town 7 lynches total to find the scum. By lynching Empking yesterday instead of putting it off (or giving a potential vig a night to deal with him, which would have

worked

), we brought that number down to 5. We know now that the bookie can't guess every night; keeping the scum guessing would weaken them. Lynching Empking cost us two lynches instead of one, and freed up the bookie target for other purposes.

We already knew Empking was scum at that point. We didn't need confirmation of his alignment to update our reads on other players. Nothing was accomplished by lynching him sooner, except wasting a lynch--and giving us a wagon full of scum to look at. No one except Hiraki was actually trying to keep Empking alive out of some perceived townishness. They were trying to save a lynch that we should absolutely have been able to save.

-Ether

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Guys. Why aren't you voting Sapo yet? (Also, I have no idea where Mastin got his mutually exclusive sets. Kanye and Yosarian are both town. Wasn't Sapo in your top 3 at the end of yesterday? What the fuck has she done since then?)

This back and forth about where the scum were is still idiotic. They

needed

the Emplynch to happen yesterday--not later--and the town shouldn't have fallen for it.

-Ether

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08. Hiraki,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 2

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You cannot seriously be this thick.

Take three guesses who would have eaten that bullet if Empking hadn't already met a stupider fate. Obviously the scum didn't know whether there was a vig or not--but why on Earth would they want to take the risk, and waste a shot or two in the process?

-Ether

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Mastin why the fuck aren't you voting Sapo.

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It was completely obvious that Reckoner would have added a bookie to the setup and nobody disputed it.

Correction: there was no point in

not

holding off lynching him. There was certainly a point in holding it off. You just said the point.

-Ether

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Obviously there's a point. We're arguing about where the scum are in that end of day votecount.

Obviously the scum didn't know whether there was a vig or not--but why on Earth would they want to take the risk, and waste a shot or two in the process?

Correction: there was no point in not holding off lynching him. There was certainly a point in holding it off. You just said the point.

-Ether

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It's not predicated on that at all. The faster we kill off people of unconfirmed alignment (ie, not Empking), the faster we get an idea of who they would and wouldn't be scum with. (Which is the normal reason that even scum who almost certainly won't survive to endgame try to stall their deaths as long as possible--to deny the town information and connections.) Aside from the end of day votecount that everyone is interpreting the wrong way, the Emplynch got us...confirmation of an alignment we already knew. Yay?

The Chairwagon sucks because:
a.) He was not on the Empwagon and the scum are on the Empwagon
b.) I seriously don't even get what the case on him is supposed to be

The fact that SpyreX is voting him doesn't add to its credibility. Why are you opposed to a Sapo lynch?

-Ether

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Off the top of my head, the fact that 835 happened at all, even if he moved over later. He was the first person to acknowledge my post about the bookie at all, and could have hoped for it to blow over, though that's kind of a side thing over the simple fact that he hesitated. I think Amrun's got more to say about him than that, but in general he doesn't really feel like scum to me.

I find it kind of hard to read your posting style, by the way. That is way too many quotes.

-Ether

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Chairwagon still bad, Chair's voting tastes still bad, SpyreX still idiotic and/or scum, Yosarian's failure to sheep me still deeply disappointing, Ludi still putting off bussing Sapo.

-Ether

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Predecessor shenanigans, process of elimination.

-Ether

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She's at -1. (Kunkstar, me, Zephyr, Chair, Oversoul.) I am cool with this.

-Ether

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Keeping my view of Chair in mind, I think you've got this one backwards. I hope Sapo's flip--and the thing all five of her current voters have in common--will give us a proper view of the Empwagon.

-Ether

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SpyreX still idiotic and/or scum,

[...]

, Ludi still putting off bussing Sapo.

Sapo/SpyreX/Ludi are my top three, although I think it's possible there

are

only two full scum (and a traitor) left at this point. I am aware of Ludi's statements on the other two.

For what it's worth, the Sapowagon hasn't suffered from her lurking--she hasn't even

posted

since I voted her and started pressuring the rest of the town into a wagon. I don't think Chair's V/LA is a valid reason to unvote him, but I don't think it's a very good wagon in the first place, so yeah.

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Shit. Thank you.

-Ether

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...

Why on earth would you think she's actually

town

?

-Ether

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Mm hmmmmmmm.

-Ether

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No, I got it just fine.

-Ether

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I am insinuating that you are her scumbuddy and your previously-stated suspicion of her was a bluff which you never had any intentions to act upon.

-Ether

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Pretty much. I mean, you'd probably want to give her a chance to claim first, but she has had ample time to defend herself and behave in a townish manner and shit.

Really, your supposed case on Zephyr was pretty scummy in the first place. It was the sort of nitpicky PBP that you could make on anybody, and it's obvious that you decided to attack him first and then started looking for reasons to justify it. Outside of the Swag bit, those reasons were all

terrible

. I say all of this with the caveat that I don't have any strong independent reasons to believe that Zephyr is town, although he probably is based on the dependent stuff.

-Ether

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The reasons were perfectly clear, and also terrible bland shit that you could throw in some form or another at absolutely anyone in this game. If you were voting Zephyr on gut, then I would still find you scummy--I suspected your predecessor, too, and of course it would still be obvious that your Sapo suspicion was always a bluff--but I would not count it as a further nail on your coffin in and of itself. Your case certainly is. Let's review:

Doesn't start off too badly--Swag's vote really was quite terrible. It all goes downhill from here.
Telling Empking, who would never be able to vig anybody anyway, to vig one of two town players (from Ludi's perspective. Zephyr's explained that he meant Kanye and not Cydonia. I think Kanye is actually much more townish than Ludi, but that's not the point).
Yup. Suspecting townies again, how dare he. When was the last time a townsperson

did

that?
Laziness, on something that seriously doesn't matter all that much. Answering questions that the askers don't deem important enough to repeat is not that important in the scheme of things. In contrast, Sapo is so lazy she hasn't even

posted

--and you're using that as a point in her favor.
Asking the town not to finish the day before he got a long post in that he was making. Uh.
Changing his mind.

Seriously, go reread him, and tell me where you get any sort of town feeling or good posting.

I say all of this with the caveat that I don't have any strong independent reasons to believe that Zephyr is town, although he probably is based on the dependent stuff.

Please pay attention, Magister Ludi. I have at no point called Zephyr townish based on his own play. I am

chainsawing

.

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Oh my. You're dropping the bookie card on

this

? You must

really

need that woman alive.

-Ether

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...

Somebody hammer.

-Ether

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Town/town.

-Ether

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Most likely, but that's less because of his own behavior and more because he's voting the chick I've concluded separately is scum. I think I've been fairly clear on who I do and don't suspect.

-Ether

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And is stuff actually getting determined?

a. I think she's an east coaster. Pennsylvania?
b. Votecount analysis is a waste of time, and the people who think they see something in it are only seeing basic statistics. (In a vacuum, these statistics would imply 2 in a 17-player game with 4 scum, but I wouldn't be find any number above 0 to be particularly strange.) This is a theory debate I am absolutely not willing to have.

-Ether

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I for one will begrudge you a Chair hammer. This is one of those times when Yosarian needs to sheep.

-Ether

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The bookie discussion is a deliberate waste of everybody's time and no one cares.

unvote

Vote:Chair

-Ether

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I'm aware of the deadline, but I'm not caught up and I'm typing this post from a 15-minute break in a course I joined last week. I'll see what I can do after class.

-Ether

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I am here and reading. I have been all along. I discuss with or PM Ether my thoughts periodically.

As you know, my life has been very hectic as of late. It will clear up for the most part starting tonight.

I will do a more proper post asap, but here are my major suspicions:

-Magister Ludi. I honestly have a hard time conceiving a possibility of Ludi-town. KoC was flailscum as fuck and Ludi has not improved the slot at all.

-LLD. I was totally convinced that saporovirus was scum. LLD's initial replacement made me doubt a little, but her actions today - that 100% TERRIBLE Oversoul vote -- threw that out the window.

-SpyreX, but not anything close to the degree of the other two. Ether suspects SpyreX more than I do.

Oversoul, KKB, and Mr Zephyr are my strongest town reads.

VOTE: Magister Ludi

Ether, change this as you see fit, due to your larger presence in the game atm.


-Amrun

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WHY ISN'T LUDI DEAD YET

Catching up now to find out.

-Amrun

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Omg, Ludi.

Seriously die.

The reason you suspect me is a post I made AFTER you said you suspected me? Also those reasons don't make sense?

You're flailing SO hard right now.

Why do I need to comment on mastin's gambit thing? I don't think it was really the smartest thing to do, but he's town and you're not so I couldn't really give two rat's asses.

diediedie

SpyreX, why are you bussing?

Zephyr, why the hell are you voting for mastin?

Kunkstar, today is for Ludi. Tomorrow is for LLD.

[Îdher]

Still Amrun, btw.

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LLD, why the hell are you scum?

I got scum lynched. What have you done? Nothing.

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So, Ludi, let me get this straight.

Your case against mastin2 is basically that he WASN'T on the Empking wagon...

...and your argument against lynching you is that you've been bookied.

Do me a favor and lay out how the events of yesterday would lead to an obvious lynch of you today.

If you're not scum, I will weep. But you are so it's cool.

-Amrun

[Îdher]

I actually did misread the second part. You were saying mastin would be bookied tomorrow.

But your "case" on mastin is he was on too many "town wagons" and wasn't on the "scum wagon."

I just want you to stop and think about how dumb of a case that is in this situation.

There's a reason I will only lynch from the day 2 empking wagon. That you refuse to see this is just whoosh.

I am simply not going to bend over backwards to repeat my reasoning of why you are scum. Have I constructed a case? No. But I've been on your slot since day 1, because you are scum. KoC was lurky fencesitting flailscum. I made a slight mention of suspecting him as a secondary suspicion and he flipped the fuck out. You, on the other hand, are inconsistent overeager scum. None of your suspicions line up. Post 1122 is scumtastic. In post 1259 you FoS mastin for doing EXACTLY what you just did with the saporo slot - and I mean like, EXACTLY.

Both you AND your predecessor danced around the Mask/saporo/LLD slot. KoC fencesat on Mask. You did an "FoS buddy, refuse to vote when wagon appears, call for replacement, refuse to vote and call the slot town due to the replacement." This is a pretty classic scum move.

None of your cases have been good. You forget entirely what you have professed before when the new shiny thing comes along. It doesn't feel genuine. At all.

-Amrun

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We are a vig. I did not want to claim and don't think it has served any purpose. To spite you all, I won't tell you how many shots I have.

We didn't shoot n1 because we wanted to make sure emp was lying. N2, we really thought Hiraki was a traitor.

My suspects better watch their backs.

Can't remember if kunkstar claimed.

Popcorn: kunkstar

If he has claimed, then Oversoul is all that's left I think.


KANYE KNOWSBEST WHY THE FUCK ARENT YOU VOTING

YOU TOO WHOMEVER ELSE ISNT VOTING

-Amrun

[Îdher]

Let me clear a coupole of things up.

I am not one shot. How many shots am I? You don't get to know that.

We also definitely have a rolecop in this set-up. Reck screwed up Empking's flip twice, once as bookie, and once as rolecop. It's not rocket science.

We can also infer that therefore, I was rolecopped at the earliest last night. It is a possibility that this happened for the reasons KKB noted.

Ludi is fucking wifoming me with his one-shot bullshit.

Suspecting oversoul is claiming scum as far as I am concerned.

Also yesterday does not make LLD town holy shit what are you smoking.

Zephyr... I'm starting to doubt my town read on him, but it still remains.

I don't see kunk claiming treestump as a fakeclaim. I've been scum with him and he claimed VT with an obv track result, so I just don't see him going to treestump with no pressure at all. Plus LLD is scum and he's voting for her.

LLD being the lynch is okay, if we decide to go that direction. 100% she was not bookied, at the very least.

I'm going to re-read some things.

-Amrun

[Îdher]

Quilford/Empking's ISO actually looks quite bad for Zephyr, LLD, SpyreX, and Ludi. Quilford seemed overly concerned about how people perceived Swag, and once, Mask; both of them largely ignored all of the listed slots besides that.

Kunkstar definitely town. I hate that Chair was lynched; he was so painfully town. But I wasn't around to prevent that lynch. :/

-Amrun

[Îdher]

You're not town and I wanted you lynched.

Ether was around; did not have a strong enough read on Chair to fight as I would have.

I hydraed in this game for a reason; we are both short on time but wanted to play.

No apologies.

Especially when you're sitting on the laurels of your craptastic Oversoul vote. Jesus Christ.

-Amrun

[Îdher]

Mastin, what do you think of spyrex?

[Îdher]

Kunk is not at all scum. Not even close.

SpyreX, what is your read on Ludi? Why do you think kunk is scum?

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Oops. I've been forgetting to sign. It's been all Amrun.

[Îdher]

Why are you trying to direct my vig shot?

Kunkstar scum makes no sense with empking scum OR LLd scum. Your suspicions don't jive.

[Îdher]

Damnit.

-Amrun

[Îdher]

This fucing. Game.

Vote: LLD

-Amrun