Regfan [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3062618#p3062618]#787[/url] wrote:Feysal -When you state that you replaced into the Twistedspoon slot because your meta on him made you believe he was town did you mean:
1) You chose the Twistedspoon slot over the Doom because you believed Twisted was town.
2) You chose the Twistedspoon slot instead of replacing into an alternate game because you believed Twisted was town?
At the time I decided to replace in, the Doombunny slot had already been taken by you. I did not have my eye on any other game I would've wanted to replace in either, so the choice was really between Twistedspoon and this game or no game at all. What appealed to me was mostly the neighbor mechanic, and the fact that I knew most of the playerlist. If I'd believed the slot was scum it would've turned me away, but I did not think so and here I am.
Regfan [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3062618#p3062618]#787[/url] wrote:If your answer to the above was 2) then did you:
1) Read through the entire game before deciding to replace in or not
2) ISO Twisted to gain an idea of what alignment he was.
I did an ISO of Twistedspoon, and I also skimmed the vote counts to see what he'd been up to. I noticed Twistedspoon was off the Setael wagon, which was a bit of a warning sign, but I chose to ignore it.
Regfan [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3062618#p3062618]#787[/url] wrote:Again, if your answer was two, what posts do you believe in particular made you believe your slot was town and what exactly is the 'Twistedspoon town meta'?
Rather than particular posts, it was his overall style. I've been led to believe that as scum Twistedspoon plays more seriously, with longer posts, more and better reasons and arguments. Basically he looks like he's making an effort as scum, while here he was the same careless Twistedspoon I'd seen mislynched in an ongoing game. My opinion of his town style is that he is haphazard, disorganized and reactionary, and probably clueless what was going on half the time. In the ongoing game I mentioned, Twistedspoon said he was playing in 11 concurrent games and that he had been at that rate for a while. At that rate, I can't see how he could possibly stay on top of what was happening in all his games.
Regfan [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3067559#p3067559]#812[/url] wrote:Feysal, how much through the thread are you?
I've read about a third, most of it today, and everything posted since I replaced in. ETA on finishing all of it is two or three days.
Some thoughts from that first portion of the game:
Of the three early wagons on kryptinen, Nobody Special and Jedo the Jedi, the ones I would've supported would've been the last two. If kryptinen had really made a mistake about Seacore being second on his own wagon, I'd have thought she'd been flustered when it was pointed out to her. Instead she played it cool, and seemed not to flail at all under pressure. I believed her in that she did it as a way to generate discussion and reactions. By the point I've read to, kryptinen is one of my town reads.
I don't share her read of Seacore though. She said that the way Seacore reacted to her made her think him town, but I had a feeling like Seacore was holding back and avoiding the spotlight. I've seen him in the thick of it in Stars Aligned III for pretty much the entire game, and now he feels different to me. There were some specific posts which struck me as bad, too. In post #99 Seacore said how blatant wagoning made Jedo look town, which feels off, particularly the part about wagon bouncing which Jedo was
My main suspect at this time would've been Nobody Special, with Jedo as second and Seacore third. Now that Jedo/GreyICE is apparently non-counterclaimed vigilante, I don't see much point in getting a read on him, just saying I found his early play suspicious for the reasons repeated by everyone else.
I'm rather glad about not having to guess at Powerrox's alignment, he was too lurky for me to really have an opinion on him. I may not have supported his lynch though, purely because I once supported his mislynch for similar bad play in Consulmaker II.
I haven't yet seen what led to Quaroath being lynched, but I could not have guessed it based on what I've read from him so far. I rather liked some of his posts and found him townish.
As for town reads, so far Doombunny and Nachomamma stand above the rest. I especially liked post #118. At the time it seemed like it would take the tiniest of pushes to get NS lynched, mislynched as the case was, and off goes Doombunny looking at other people like a good townie. This was really a recurring theme, it seemed as though Doombunny had attention to spare for everyone, and he did not stop to push the most obvious mislynch candidate I've seen. As for Nacho, I don't really need to spell out why he comes off as very town, or town-compatible third party as the case may be, do I? I also liked AurorusVox for being the first to even mention fuzzylightning/Setael, though I don't agree on some of his cases.
My reads on Packbat and Glass are pretty much null based on what I've read so far.
Setael [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=2963057#p2963057]#163[/url] wrote:Town
Packbat
Krypt
DoomBunny
Glass
Scum
Jedo
Seacore
NS
TS
Null reads on everyone else.
LlamaFluff mentioned the law of three some posts back, and it is something I agree on. My belief on these reads from Setael is that at most one of the town reads is scum, possibly none of them, and the final scum is one of the null reads. I'd expect one scum among the scum reads. If Jedo/GreyICE is a vigilante he can't be scum with anyone. NS/Wickedestjr has flipped town. That leaves Seacore and Twistedspoon/myself, and I of course know I'm town. I foresee a confrontation with Seacore in my future, and I don't look forward to it. I've seen people say that Seacore's behavior toward Setael during day two would make him town, but since I've yet to read it I won't comment yet, or place a vote.
I believe I've mentioned everyone... except my own slot. Reading Twistedspoon's posts in context, he seems to have been pretty much useless. I'm no longer as surprised as I was that people would suspect my slot because of him.
Regfan [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3067559#p3067559]#812[/url] wrote:The last thing this game needs is lack of activity. What's everyones thoughts on a potential mass-claim given the fact that apparently two people claimed pre-game?
I can confirm that Twistedspoon claimed to Nacho and AV on night zero. Now that I realized it, there are some things they've said that I probably should've passed on last night, but it is too late now. That'll have to be tomorrow night, if I survive the day.
I have a feeling that we could make do without a mass claim, but seeing which roles have already flipped, there are probably few power roles left that the mass claim would out. If there is a doctor or other protective role, that would be the most notable exception. I'm undecided, I'm not sure if the benefits would outweigh the risks.