Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[ooba]

Vote: Channeldelibird

because I can ..

[ooba]

@ooba - If you vote mikeburnfire you'll prove you're town.

Well I love confirmed-townie status, so

Unvote. vote:MBF

[ooba]

I hadn't watched the show before and joined because of the player list ..

But I've finished Season 1 between now and then .. Love it!

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Ragnarokio is town

Also: morthax, could we have a not voting section in the vote count please?

Sure ~ mothrax

[ooba]

ebwop: *mothrax*

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Meaning...

this

Miranda, of course.

No wonder she looked familiar in the show !

[ooba]

I have seen most (some holes here and there)

IIRC in season 1 Fulcrum was the main story arc, intersect was still at version 1 (no kung fu chuck ), Anna was part of the nerd heard, and...was there that weird assistants manager guy, or was he later? I think he was later >_>

Could we please use spoiler tags? (for anything beyond S1)

[ooba]

Hello.

I am MarchHare. I am the best.

I will be leading today's lynch.

If you oppose this motion then speak now. Otherwise, shut the fuck up down the road.

Vote: ReaperCharlie.

I would have probably supported this motion but you voted me ..

Unvote. Vote: Ant_to_the_max

Post 57 doesn't seem genuine ..

[ooba]

"I am going to oppose the ooba wagon as well." -> "I find Ragna's reasons to be accurate and henceforth correct. If more comes up, I may hop on this."
Interesting switch without one post from me in between..

How does that warrant an FOS?

Also you should answer this question..

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Ragnarokio
- Most of the people here haven't done anything of substance
- Nothing else of note had happened in the game; If something stands out, I'll comment on it

[ooba]

This game needs more posting!

[ooba]

I can buy into that.

Unvote. Vote: thor

And with that ..

MOS(1): Energetic Penguin
PeregrineV(1): ChannelDelibird
MarchHare(3): MOS, Thor665, danakillsu
danakillsu(1): ReaperCharlie
Thor665(5): mikeburnfire, MarchHare, Ragnarokio, PeregrineV, ooba

Not Voting(2): Ant_to_the_max, animorpherv1

[ooba]

L-1 for thor.

[ooba]

I've also been sick of thor's innactivity this game.

He's one of the more active players in the game. What are you talking about?

[ooba]

Thor is acting town now. Are we done with the random wagon on him yet?

Well if he's just "acting" town, then the wagon ain't so random is it?

[ooba]

- Post 260 makes a lot of sense
- However, Scum dana would have read an attack post properly before replying (268)
I hate fake day vigs. Thor, can you show me a game where you've fake dayvigg'd as Town?
Also, I'd put CDB and RC in the town category.

[ooba]

Nope - though if you're willing to believe self meta this is the first time I've done it ever. As noted, I'm crawling the walls over here, by page 10 most games are much further along than this one, I feel like we're being trapped in eternal RVS.

I'm projecting here, but a fake day kill was the tactic I used as scum in a mini game where posting was meager and I really didn't know what to say ..

I'm pretty sure he only calls for alliances when he's town.

As far as RC, Harry Potter Mafia was one game I can remember where RC set up an alliance as scum.

@Ant: I'm sure this line could have applied to me too. Why did ya add it only to ani?
"Although has posted elsewhere and not here."

dana - MH is null for me. But definitely wouldn't call him an active lurker and comparing him to MoS ..

Scum

Ant_to_the_max
* energetic Penguin

Town

danakillsu
Ragnarokio
ReaperCharlie
CDB

* Also I remember another game of mine where somebody waited for the first vote before voting someone they were presurizing. Will check out how they flipped ..

Also dana, why did you choose Per over ep?

[ooba]

What's scummy about AntTTM?

All of his posts give me a made-up feel. The initial vote post which I mentioned earlier, the one reacting to the day-kill, the player analysis where all but one are town or null.

Hmmm... why is CDB town?

Vibe from posts.

Wait, why is **DANA** town? 0_o

I am basing this solely on the fact that dana scum would have read 260 better. I'll skipped 326 the first time except the darth vader pic - but the "he" in ISO5 refers to MH while ISO4 refers to Thor ..

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With the rule - "No voting any other Alliance members" - need to be pretty careful with who you invite in. Thor and MH aren't my in town reads so not a particularly promising start to the alliance IMO.

P-edit: Didn't know Thor refused the invite ..

[ooba]

And what a glorious victory that was. You're welcome.

Yes. It was a good victory - can't really say I really helped the team (since I died D1) but will take the win - Thank you for that

[ooba]

I think the scum team is Thor, Ant and MOS.

@Mod: dana is not self-voting - its on PeregrineV ..

fixed, thank you ~Mod

[ooba]

I think the scum team is Thor, Ant and MOS.

@Mod: dana is not self-voting - its on PeregrineV ..

What's the reasoning behind Thor and Ant?

Ant reasoning there in my previous post.
Thor based on wagon and voting analysis.

[ooba]

Ok I might have been wrong on that scum team call ..
- I will not support a MBF, MOS, dana lynch (Deadlines exceptions excluded but would like to avoid it - Given a choice amongst three to avoid NL I'd go MOS>dana>MBF)
- I retract my RC town read
- I would like Thor lynched

[ooba]

Ant_to_the_max remains in the scum list. I just had that one single tell on ep - null leaning to scum.
The change in MoS brought about the RC turnaround on let's lynch MoS or MBF. MBF towered not because his wagon reached L-2 - its just the vibe I get from his posts.
- Thor's jump on Ragnarokio in 444 is all levels of scummy

a) I will not be voting for Thor today under any circumstances bar a mafia claim.

Hmm. Such a strong town read?

[ooba]

Well don't think I'll get a Thor lynch then...

Vote:Ant_to_the_max

[ooba]

ebwop:

Unvote. Vote: Ant

[ooba]

Total scum found in 500 posts: Me.

I've expressed suspicion of Ant more than once and also said I'd happily lynch EP.

I counted votes.

Wow. I'm pretty sure I've voted thor all-throughout the game - If you're counting votes, then why not pressurize me on it?

[ooba]

Unofficial vote count

danakillsu (2): PerigrineV, mikeburnfire
mikeburnfire (2): danakillsu, ReaperCharlie
Energetic Penguin (2): Magua, Thor665
Thor665 (2): Ragnarokio, ooba
Ragnarokio (1): Mastermind of Sin
Ant_to_the_max (1): ooba
ReaperCharlie (1): MarchHare

Not voting (2): Energetic Penguin, ChannelDelibird

Both MBF and dana are town reads. Not really sold on ep but best lynch of the three ..

Unvote. Vote: Energetic Penguin

[ooba]

It was just a doubt before but my ReaperCharlie-scumdar is telling me that he's def. scum now!

Thus the two wagons he's tried to push close to lynch (MBF and dana) are town ..

[ooba]

- The most recent jump on dana was atrocious
- Just call it a RC-scumdar but I've been able to accurately guess his alignment in games we've played together

Unvote. Vote: RC

I'll vote back ep if this doesn't get traction .. However, we have enough time to take this RC wagon "all the way" ..

[ooba]

Dana and EP are both fine wagons. I'm pretty on the RC wagon.

@ooba - what sort of jump from one wagon to another isn't atrocious in your mind? You called me for the same thing and now left me to vote RC for that tell...does that make your jump atrocious or not? Last I checked vote hopping wasn't a scumtell, yeah?

Vote hopping is not a scum tell. However jumping on the biggest\most probable wagon in such a manner (see below) is scummy .. This plus the earlier vote post on MBF is the basis of my reads ..

If people ignore the obvious and refuse to vote mbf, then I will be voting Energetic Penguin, who is a null read for me. He's not incredibly pro-town, so he's not a BAD mislynch if he is one.

Haven't read yet.

But WHAT about this post is pro-town in ANY WAY.

Unvote; Vote: danakillsu

All the way, this time.

[ooba]

@ooba - do you think dana didn't sound scummy?

No. If there's a deadline looming, you've sometimes got to settle for a non-optimal lynch from your read viewpoint - Any lynch preferable to NL.

[ooba]

- The most recent jump on dana was atrocious
- Just call it a RC-scumdar but I've been able to accurately guess his alignment in games we've played together

Unvote. Vote: RC

I'll vote back ep if this doesn't get traction .. However, we have enough time to take this RC wagon "all the way" ..

Are you talking about Harry Potter, or Succession? Because you didn't guess my alignment in either.

And if you think I'm scum now, that's just further proof that you're wrong. That is a town-tell though.

I will re-read soon and tally up all of the town-tells and scum-tells, and give you guys a list with colors.

Harry Potter - N1, it was toss up between farside and you for who I'd target as a traitor.
Succession - Gut kept telling me your cop claim was fake. Did I not mention you were a recruit but not possible recruiter in thread?
Star Wars - Got you crosskilled
Plus modded two games with you - one as scum (Stardust) and one as town (Time Travel).

[ooba]

Unofficial vote count

danakillsu (4): PerigrineV, mikeburnfire, ReaperCharlie, Mastermind of Sin
Energetic Penguin (3): Magua, Thor665, Ragnarokio
ReaperCharlie (2): MarchHare, ooba
mikeburnfire (1): danakillsu

Not voting (3): Channeldelibird, Ant_to_the_max, Energetic Penguin

RC, you may have escaped today but I'll just vig you N1

Unvote.Vote: ep

[ooba]

Vig me N1 then! You'll only look like an idiot when I flip town.

Why EP and not dana?

dana is a town-read for me.

[ooba]

Do you not agree that what he said was insanely scummy?

Nope (I just answered this like the last page, RC!)

Well, obviously we're (as in the town) not going to consolidate on your lynch. It's a call between between dana\ep - ep is currently null for me - but better lynching a null read than a town read.

[ooba]

Uh, yeah. Not sure why you're linking me to MD threads that have nothing to do with anything I've said.

I'm not voting dana today.

This.

And reg. the info value of a lynch, an ep-scum flip still contains good info - I'll be looking at those who chose the other wagon as a starting point ..

[ooba]

I personally think dana is much scummier than EP. Can I ask you to trust me and vote dana instead?

Also RC, you do realize that you're asking me to trust a scum read of mine to vote a town read

Also, Pere, you're just wasting time. You have to choose between dana and ep - even though you're not totally sold on either.
- If it's dana, then we need to get dana to claim
- If it's ep, then MH's replacement will have to choose which wagon he's willing to support and that person has to claim

[ooba]

The deadline is in hours.

I thought there would be an extension for MH replacement - if anything, that player has to read and post his thoughts ..

[ooba]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: EP

The mod said we have an extension for the replacement. Did you just hammer?

[ooba]

I need to re-read this entire game again .. Suffice to say I'm confused right now ..

[ooba]

I don't have a single solid read this game - either scum\town. RC was the closest and him flipping town didn't help. I'm upto page 15 in my re-read - thoughts within the hour.

[ooba]

Town
PerigrineV
Ragnarokio
mikeburnfire

Null-Town
Thor665
Ant_to_the_max
Mastermind of Sin

Null-Scum
Magua*animorpherv1*
Empking*MarchHare*

Scum
Channeldelibird
danakillsu

Vote: dana

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This is mostly vibe based off a few posts but I'll try and give you an insight into how I arrived at this..

Per and Rag solely based on posting vibes.

CBD goes out of his way to mention Thor - play akin to scum player linking himself to a townie
- "RC/Thor is null."
- "The Thor wagon is pretty worthy. I approve of it. Good luck with it - I'll make myself busy exploring my own line of investigation in the meantime." -> Till this point I was thinking it was scum commenting on scum
- "Either way Thor looks fairly town now." -> This was for the dayvig - this is where I thought it fits the pattern of scum on town

Page 14
- RC starts the pressure on dana, ep follows
- CDB and dana attack Per
- MarchHare goes out of the way to attack Thor
- MoS joins Per wagon - later acquits himself by joining dana wagon at end of day and D2 suspicions
- Also this VC tells us a lot

danakillsu (4):

PerigrineV, mikeburnfire, ReaperCharlie, Mastermind of Sin

Energetic Penguin (3): Magua,

Thor665, Ragnarokio

ReaperCharlie (2): MarchHare,

ooba

mikeburnfire (1): danakillsu

Not voting (3): Channeldelibird, Ant_to_the_max,

Energetic Penguin

- Ant goes into town list because I don't see scum doing a stupid hammer like that ..

[ooba]

Eh. Really sorry for promising and not delivering. Will reread as soon as I can.

ooba's last post reads fairly townish but contains no explanation of why my behaviour is more likely to be scum linking himself to town than it is to be town.

Well, you're not the chesskid type of player who comments on every single thing in the topic. A selective player who comments on a particular player a lot more than the others is an outlier. The only town variation of this is a mason pair where one mason buddy frequently comments on the other. All other times it's either scum bussing or scum linking to townie.

@emp - "Yes"

[ooba]

@MoS - Call it a vibe instead of a tell?

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Looking into the ReaperCharlie NK. First suspect would be MoS, since RC was voting him, but that seems like a frame job. So, looking into it more, would like Ant to elaborate on this statement about further examination of MoS and ooba today, becuase it hasn't happened yet.

So you looked into RC's posts and got only MoS and Ant and not this? (below)

Somebody please help me kill off dana! WTF

Lynch dana. I beseech thee.

Also

I think CDB may be scum too.

+
Pre-emptive NK analysis promise (not followed upon but he's busy I guess)

Will openly ponder why RC might have been killed shortly. Towns don't do that enough these days.

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@ooba: I still don't see what you were confused about in #623. Please explain.

Maybe confuse was the wrong word for it but I'll tell you how I was feeling. This was one of those games where I was playing at a subpar level and didn't have a solid read on anyone - at the end of D1, I thought I had spotted RC scum but it wasn't so. So when he flipped town, I was frustrated because I had to start from square one all over again. Re-read, grind it out ..

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@Dana: It's tough to explain but I'm just looking at who jumped on which wagons at what point of time/who they chose to attack/what they chose to comment on. It's vibe about associations. I think CDB is scum and you-scum with him makes sense, in a nutshell.

[ooba]

@ooba- Can you walk me through how you went from here (Reinforced here and here) to here?

I scumhunt and think about any game with regard to scum teams and who can be possible scum with other people. It usually is random on D1 without seeing a single flip. However a second re-read post any flip helps tremendously.
Case in point: A game where I was attacked for a total 180 in reads from D1 to D2 after flips.

[ooba]

It's just that your scum-town list is almost inverted from mine. Since I don't claim to be the greatest mafia player, that's not a bad thing, but it just bugs me and makes me want to get more information from you.

Also, two of your "town" reads think you might be scum. The fact they do so and are still on the town side of your list also seems....unusual.

- That would be Thor665 & MoS?
- I think it's weak play to think those attacking you are scum; I haven't been exactly obv-town this game (This does happen in games where it's obvious I'm town because of play\scumhunting; wasn't the case D1 in this game)

Spent a lot of time looking up past ooba games during the night. When I was trying to make a case on him, it ended up looking like it was just personal quirks that were bothering me.

What are these personal quirks?

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Lol Ninja'd on this ..

Ragnarokio (4): Thor665, danakillsu, Magua, PeregrineV
Ant_to_the_max (1): Ragnarokio
danakillsu (2): Mastermind of Sin, ooba
MOS (1): Empking
Magua (2): Ant_to_the_max, mikeburnfire

Not Voting (1) ChannelDelibird

[ooba]

I think I'll do Magua's posting for him ..

Magua, you hadn't shown up on my scumradar until you unvoted somebody you suspected in favor of sheeping a vote no somebody you thought was town. There was no need to put somebody that you think is town so close to a lynch. Which is why I suddenly do indeed think that you could be scum.

What about ooba?

[ooba]

People's thoughts on dana as the day progresses

MBF - 620
"The sudden shift from the dana wagon to the penguin lynch leads me to believe scum is here."
Reinforced in 626

MoS - 635:
Vote: dana You were scummy yesterday, that hasn't really changed. I don't like the shift to EP to save you from lynch, someone with more time than I should look into that to see if there are some possible scumpairings here.

Thor - 667
danakillsu - Null

Magua - 685
"danakillsu lynch might be informative" - But what are your thoughts on dana exactly?

Thor665 - 733
Gah, fine MBF. SHe's still useless though
Votes dana

empking - 740
Scum - dana

I think Per has a town read on dana. Not sure where Rag, Ant stand on dana. CDB has to play ..

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- Not sure if Magua scum with dana scum would have just called the lynch "informative" and left it at that ..
- Scum with dana would have probably commented on her - So dana scum would imply Rag, Ant town ..

[ooba]

Ooba, do you think we should lynch Dana then? If so, why?

Primarily that re-read was brought about by your move to empking; made me get paranoid about dana being saved as a LyLo\later mislynch .. I don't think it's true after the D2 dana views re-read ..

Yes. I definitely think dana should be lynched today. Because she's scum. Also, a dana scum flip will most definitely mean a CDB scum partner. Right now I'd put empking as the third, since Magua seems less likely with dana (I'd expect him to bus here like empking did) .. Also scum flip implies Rag, Ant are town ..

Right now the only thing a dana town flip would imply for me is that MoS is town ..

[ooba]

ooba, how did you come to any of those conclusions? More specifically, how does dana-scum indicate CDB scum and how does dana-town indicate me-town? As much as I approve of any conclusion that ends up getting my alignment correct, that chain of logic doesn't make any sense...

CDB was independently scummy & the dana-CDB connection was from the fact that CDB avoids the RC-led dana wagon on Page 14 .. You genuinely seem to think dana is scum - it does not look like scum going for a mislynch ..

[ooba]

To be honest, I can see where Magua is coming from with this ..

At least the one time, I saw a player going "I find X & Y scummy; Y more than X" but chose to vote X; it was a scum move.

[ooba]

I can see Ant~MoS links with the recent exchanges ..

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastermind of Sin
@RC- Do you think it would be more advantageous to policy lynch MBF over MoS?
I personally feel that would be the better pick out of the two.

I never could understand the hammer as the mod specifically told us we had an extension. Given the late day wagon-buildup on MoS (Per+RC), it can make sense

I read it as we get 48 hours AFTER we get a replacement, so we do NOT have two more days, right now we have less than 2 hours. I will give EP 1 (ONE) hour to get in here before I switch my vote

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Give me another two hours to re-read with MoS,Ant scum in mind and I'll tell you my thoughts. In either case (dana\CDB scum or MoS\Ant scum), I will NOT support the following lynches for today - MBF, Per or Magua.

[ooba]

Unvote. Vote:Ant_to_the_max

MoS, I'll try and explain both my groupings in detail ..

[ooba]

Don't hammer Magua - making case on Ant~MoS ..

[ooba]

Well, okay. Magua's not great but not bad for a lynch today. I guess it's between him and Ant, so

unvote vote: Magua

(L-1, I checked).
If someone hammers and he's town, I guess we've got scum anyway. I now await ooba's case.

@Dana - Can you please unvote .. I'm nearly upto the end of day one .. Don't want CDB hammering and going oops .. If I'm not here in thirty minutes, go ahead ..

[ooba]

I do not do individual cases on people. I think about the game in terms of links between players - who can be scum together and who cannot. I think Ant\MoS are scum together. My reads get better as the game progresses and so do my cases - so yes, I am sure on Ant\MoS. Case below ..

Point I: The Hammer

Chronology

Post 598: @Mod: "Deadline will be extended 48 hours after a replacement is found."
Post 599: @RC: "MoS is a better lynch and we have 48 hours."
Post 600: @Ant: "I read it as we get 48 hours AFTER we get a replacement, so we do NOT have two more days, right now we have less than 2 hours. I will give EP 1 (ONE) hour to get in here before I switch my vote"

The pro-town reaction would have been to be ask the Mod before hammering. Seriously, does anybody know of any mod who won't give an extension or close day without replacement?

I was wrong in Post 672 where I thought Ant was town for the hammer. Honestly the only reason I thought was scum wouldn't really hammer when there was no motivation to do so; the optimal scum play there would have been to tell everyone they've PM'd the mod or something (i.e emulate the protown thing to do); Since I didn't see a scum motivation to hammer - I thought Ant was honest about his deadline Paranoia.

Here's what I overlooked - Ant with MoS as a scum partner has motivation to hammer and make sure Per and RC's plans of changing the lynch to MoS do not work out.

Also: scum will try and link other scum to townies so that post partner flip, mislynches are easier to get. Guess who points out I'm wrong on Ant ..

Point II: Ant~Mos Links

Scum will try and make it appear like they were always suspicious of partner ala "I had him as my number two scum probable but just didn't lynch him yet". Now when they're trying to do this, they may single out their scumpartner above others.
i)

Selective treatment? Part I

Game starts on Apr 29, 8 AM (Timestamps will differ for you)
Post 57: Mentions three names for not checking in yet - Mastermind of Sin, Energetic Penguin, MarchHare
Post 58: MH enters the game on May 1, 5 AM
Post 59: MoS enters the game on May 2, 5 AM
Post 122: Ant says "So MoS...what took you so long to join us?" - no questioning of MH here
Post 134: engerticpenguin enters the game on May 2, 10 PM
Post 144: Ant posts again but doesn't question the penguin??
ii)

Selective treatment? Part II

Post 210: Ant votes MoS. "Doesn't seem like he has much to say." No mention of the penguin who has a whopping 1 post compared to MoS's three.
iii)

But I don't want him lynched!

302 - Ant's thoughts on everyone. MoS = Null; MBF = Town
368 - Ant totally agrees with the penguin. MoS scummy.
375,378 - RC starts the alliance and votes MoS
394 - Alliance member Ant votes MoS but adds this rider
"@RC- Do you think it would be more advantageous to policy lynch MBF over MoS?
I personally feel that would be the better pick out of the two."

Now as far as content (reads or commenting on other players) goes, both did not comment much but I would put MBF over MoS at that moment of time. (Single content post each - MBF - 155 > MoS - 351)

The only posts which MBF has made after Ant's 302 which might have changed his town read on MBF - 305, 307. Wonder what changed that Ant was willing to convince RC that a wagon on a town read was better than one on a scum read here?
iv)

More Links

- This
- Post 840 is scummy since any townie would have gone through MoS's other games to check if he's done the same there. Now if you're objective is to just leave partial suspicion on your scumpartners for ISO purposes I guess that works

Point III: Linking

677: MoS linking Ant to Me - Have already mentioned this above
264: Ant linking MoS to MBF "Why just bring up MoS here?"
511: Ant linking MoS to MBF "Sounds like someone got really defensive here...seems like you are a bit jumpy." for 503 (MBF asking MoS not to defend him)

Point IV: Individual scumminess of Ant

242: Magua brought up the point that Ant's posting looks forced - example - He actually believes the dayvig is real? Gimme a break.
713 - Still hasn't answered what the personal quirks were; More likely that the fact that I placed him and MoS in my town list made him decide I'm valuable to keep around

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Please vote Ant. Also willing to shift to MoS.

[ooba]

I think it should be obvious what I did with my night action...

Claim this please .. And other people shouldn't guess ..

[ooba]

I don't necessarily think he should reveal his result just yet...unless you think he was given the

main character

as a safeclaim...

Of course he should reveal his result .. We are approaching a deadline ..

And I never buy into the "main character can't be a safeclaim" concept .. In the first Harry Potter game, Harry, Hermoine & Ron were scum .. Although in this, given my wincon - I would consider it bastard modding if Chuck is a fakeclaim ..

P-edit: Compared to the alternative of you getting killed tonight and not knowing who your result was on??

Addn: Claim wording seems suspect - seems like you built it up from the town wincon - Chuck is the intersect - so he would flash on bad guys and know if "they're evil or not" or whether they are a "threat to HIM or not" ..

[ooba]

Unvote. Vote: dana

[ooba]

Dana\CDB\empking?
Maybe I was right the first time around ..

[ooba]

MoS is scummy as hell in those posts.

This could be be a desperate gambit by Ant to out the real Chuck

, obviously. But since his wagon is abandoned,

unvote, vote Dana

I had the same thought. I guess it could only be CDB now since everybody else has not countered ..

[ooba]

Right - dana can be chuck ..

[ooba]

Lol 5-5 if they cross vote and CDB to decide ..

[ooba]

If we really are going to lynch someone without a claim, it should be CDB .. But then people would bring up the argument that a CDB lynch won't give us as much info to go on ..

[ooba]

Unvote, Vote: CDB?

5 hours to deadline .. Won't happen ..

Fine. I'll change.

Unvote. Vote: MoS

[ooba]

Ant needs to hammer

[ooba]

Eta till deadline?
at work and I need to time it out

Around 2 hours, 45 min ..

[ooba]

Eta till deadline?
at work and I need to time it out

Around 2 hours, 45 min ..

*Giggle*

We've got more than five hours.

Ooba: Staying on MOS? Why?

5 hours from the time of Reck's last post right?
Staying on MOS .. It's actually the more townier of the wagons .. MBF, Per .. It also has Magua who cannot be scum with dana so it's all cool ..

[ooba]

Yay town win!

Very tough call there Thor! I was reading along. I mean the main reason why I thought MoS was scum was due to the hesitation in him voting empking yesterday. But MoS's point about 2 vigs pointing to NK immunity for GF instead of inv. immune was also good.

I would say well played all around..

[ooba]

Oh, and my original fakeclaim was Lou Palone, who was actually ALSO a bad guy in the series despite being Chuck's love interest at one point. So basically mothrax gave me the worst claim ever. However, I stole the Morgan Grimes claim from one of my buddies and ran with it. I still love how no one ever made me explain why Morgan Grimes would be a neighborizor. I had no good answer for that (the only reasoning I could think of didn't apply to Season 1 of the show), but Ant said it made sense so any time people got close to asking me about it I just deferred to Ant backing me up.

Hey. I finished until Season three - Lou was never bad?

Jill Roberts is the love interest who is bad

Morgan grimes makes more sense as neighbourizer than Lou though - outgoing friendly guy ..

[ooba]

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