farside22 #1119 wrote:@Feysal: Where are you in your read of the game? Do you have any views that you noted from your read? Are you reading in iso? If so who have you read, why did you read them and what is your view on those you iso'ed?
I'm up to date on recent posts. I shared a list of my reads some time back, and I'll update it in a moment. I haven't done as many ISO reads as I would've liked, but I have read LLD and DRK in ISO now. LLD because I did not have a read on her from reading the thread, and DRK because he looked scummy and I wanted to confirm that with a closer look.
Corvuus #1126 wrote:Feysal: I don't think you've addressed this at any point. Equinox and DTmaster were the main starters/proponents of your wagon (first two votes, Feb 13th votecount) and yet they are at the very top of your list of town (Feb 15th, #14 iso Feysal)?
Yes, I believe they are town. They have both shown commendable effort in scumhunting, in their own ways, and of the people who wagoned me I find that their reasons are most valid. I messed up badly with my SpyreX vote, and my timing for that was horrible.
Equinox #1156 wrote:I'm probably being forgetful, but does anyone have SpyreX-scum meta? I see the talk about SpyreX-town usually leading, but I have meta that shows that SpyreX-scum leads as well. Prove me wrong.
I have two games worth of it, and I can't share either. I find that SpyreX can take the lead as either town or scum, but as scum he can sit back and let the town consume itself infighting. His low activity here reminds me of that.
Jack #1176 wrote:We should be lynching Benmage.
Benmage's presence in this game has been pretty minimal, but I can say that it is not limited to this game. In another game I'm in, he has also fallen behind and had to catch up.
Next up, my ISO read of DRK.
The funny thing is, until this ISO read I had not realized just how similar this case was to the one on myself. I kept seeing many things that I'd also done this game which add up to a scumread, even though me saying so is basically the pot calling the kettle black.
#229: DRK votes themanhimself and leaves his vote there, despite having suspicions of LLD for her shift from Jack to themanhimself.
#241: This looks all too familiar... DRK says he left his vote on themanhimself despite getting an honest feeling from him. Not unlike my SpyreX blunder.
#305: Two days after saying he suspected LLD, DRK finally votes her. The only relevant change during those days was that LLD voted themanhimself, while keeping an eye on Jack. The reason for that vote was apparently unchanged from two days earlier, but during those days DRK had been voting first themanhimself and then hitogoroshi, without having much suspicion for either.
#362: Again two days later, DRK unvotes and gives vague town reads on LLD, themanhimself and hitogoroshi.
#604: This reminds me so much of my own play I had to pick it out. DRK says he comments on the important goings-on, or lets pages build up.
#606: Quickly after being asked for reads, DRK gives his. With the disclaimer that they were not particularly strong... another page out of my book.
#769: Now this looks interesting. DRK was being pressured by Farside for his voting behavior, and in response DRK claims he did not have anywhere useful to put his vote while he was voting themanhimself and hitogoroshi. What about LLD? As far as I've gathered, the reason why DRK eventually voted her was valid the whole time.
That's about it for the ISO read. Many things about this case also apply to me, it would be hypocritical of me not to admit that, but at least when I placed my vote on SpyreX I did not have a better suspect I could've voted.
My ISO of Lady Lambdadelta was considerably less informative. Since her early pushes on Jack and themanhimself, content from her became scarce, which was part of why I wanted to ISO read her in the first place. I notice that she at one point planned to read some players including myself, but the only thing that seems to have come from that is her case on me, which gives me little to judge her motivations by. One thing that did stand out in her ISO was that she has never really commented on DRK and what is scummy about him. I am reminded that DRK avoided voting LLD for two days despite having reason to suspect her, and when he finally did, he unvoted in his next post. This looks like they may have been avoiding each other.
Finally, current reads:
DTMaster
Remains a solid town read, for his overall activity, and for his gambit. The town motivation of that is obvious, and I don't see why he would be doing something like that as scum.
Equinox
As if her activity in this game was not enough, her behavior about my wagon convinced me of her being town. She unvoted and considered new information, which scum looking for a mislynch would not do.
Andrius
One only has to look at his wiki to see that masons and neighbors are his favorite roles. For that, I see nothing odd about him claiming to DGB without her being confirmed town, and seeking to turn their priesthood into a mason group. He has fallen somewhat below the radar as of late, but I continue to see him as town.
Mina
She has not been posting much more than I have, but I've liked what I've seen from her. Her thoughts about the game, her reads and arguments have matched mine so well that I believe them to be town-motivated.
farside22
I have a town read on her, but less certain of it than the ones above. This is mostly a gut read, she just has not stood out as town for me as others have, and I've never yet looked at her posts more closely.
hitogoroshi
He was among my better town reads earlier, but his reason to join my wagon was strange. I don't know if my play really resembles his from when he was a newbie, but I would not call the case on me a policy lynch, and I don't know why he would want that if he has a suspect in DRK.
populartajo
I don't see the scum motivation of arguing with your own god, and I can imagine him thinking that DGB would try to trick careless players into revealing their roles, since he appears to have been such a careless player himself. Town read, though not very strong.
Jack
I've never yet had a strong read on him one way or the other, and I'm mainly null on him. I know he does gambits regardless of alignment, and I've seen few arguments from him I could get a read from. Some of his suspects I just don't understand though, like Andrius.
Lady Lambdadelta
She has lots of posts, but many of them are short on content, and especially for the latter part of the day I've had trouble getting any read on her. From earlier in the day, her move from Jack to themanhimself was unexpected, but I can't get a read on her motives from that either.
nopointinactingup
After two replacements and little content from any of the players, I really can't say anything about this player slot. Null read.
Benmage
His low activity does not speak well for him, but I know from another game that he has truly fallen behind. Beyond that there is little to base an opinion on.
SpyreX
His low presence gives me doubts about him, and I found his early stance on Jack odd. SpyreX should know better than most that Jack does gambits as scum as well, and that makes me wonder about his stance that Jack would be town and especially that he would be telling the straight truth about NS.
Corvuus
I have no experience with his play at all, but I was getting a clear scummy feeling from reading his posts. I've not done an ISO of him yet though, that could give me a clearer picture.
DeathRowKitty
I already explained this in more depth earlier. My best scum read at this time.
