Equinox #275 wrote:Hmm... The thought I had in mind was that Jack-town couldn't share with Nobody Special because he couldn't be sure about Nobody Special's alignment, which was why I wondered why you thought he would share beforehand.
Well, I don't see the danger even if Nobody Special was the scum god. It's not like it would've been anything secret, since Jack was going to try his gambit in thread in front of everyone. Of course, the scum god and priests knowing it was a gambit would've enabled them to give calculated responses. Spotting those might even have been easier than trying to separate townies wanting to lynch Jack for his lie from scum who see easy prey.
Equinox #275 wrote:And this is where I get confused (yet again). This post sounds like... Nobody Special is a safe place to go through for this kind of thing. Am I correct in this understanding?
If you're asking whether I think Nobody Special is a town god, I don't know. So obviously he is not
safe
. But, even not knowing which gods are to be trusted, informing them and claiming stuff through them is
safer
than doing it publicly in thread.
Suppose Jack was about to be lynched for his lie. If he had not warned NS about his gambit, it is unlikely he would intervene to save him. If Jack had warned NS about his gambit, the odds would be 2/3 that NS would be town and intervene to save Jack. Even in the 1/3 chance he was not, he might still intervene to maintain a town appearance, since if he did not and allowed Jack to die, he would look suspect for it.
The same applies to sharing just about all information. If you have something important to share from night actions, it is better to inform your god about it so he or she can post it in the thread. 2/3 odds say that your god is town, and all the scum learn is that one of the five priests has a power role. If you claimed it yourself in thread, the scum would know exactly who the power role was. Even if you got the 1/3 chance of your god being scum, your god might not have you nightkilled immediately, since he would have his reputation to maintain. If the power role was night killed immediately after claiming something through his god, the god would look suspect for it.
To make the point simple and short, even while we don't know which god is scum, power roles are likely to live longer if they claim through their gods, rather than claim publicly in thread. If we figure out who the scum god is, then obviously followers of that god should claim things in thread.
My argument is not that we should all immediately claim our roles to our gods (though doing so now would probably force the scum to make bad fake role claims, before they've learned anything about the setup from flips). The argument is that when you have something you want or need to claim, it is better to put your faith in your god being town than posting your claim in public.
Equinox #277 wrote:Feysal, who's scum?
I practically never have good reads at this stage in a game, but SpyreX and Andrius have caught my attention as possibilities. SpyreX looks somewhat odd for his apparently strong stance that Jack would be town, while I've noticed how Andrius has not been contributing much. I don't agree with the reason Jack mentioned for calling Andrius scum, that being "knowing" Jack would be town, but otherwise I have a scummy feeling about him. I'll have to take a closer look at them both, to see if such feelings are justified.
I think themanhimself is actually town. By now the scum should have noticed that Jack won't be easy pickings, and themanhimself still pushing Jack looks like town who believes he has found scum. There would be no scum benefit in attracting suspicion the way he is doing. We may have a better chance of finding scum among those who jumped off Jack as quickly as they jumped on him.
And for someone who goes on and on about "even with a 1/3 chance that so and so is the scum god" he dismisses the use of getting reads on one of the gods pretty quick. And all that from someone who was puffing about arguments and reason earlier.
