Jahudo wrote:(2) LynchMePlease – First calls Katsuki scum in 286 by first trying to find scum pairings that make sense for him. I have no idea what he’s calling scummy in the first link of that post. Not being hard enough on Talitha? That’s a stretch for a townie to start thinking Katsuki and Tally are scum together without a flip first. Claiming that Katsuki calling Peanut town while they both go after MoI and LMP indicates a scum strategy? Another big stretch because those kinds of scenarios are so so common. Everything is not black and white. Not everyone who shares an opinion must be connected. Yet LMP tries to force connections when they favor him. That is why I’m voting him. It’s a very opportunistic tactic that town don’t use to make their cases.
I find it hilarious that you say you have no idea what I'm calling scummy, when that was by far one of the posts I gave the most attention to during my reread summary posts. Lets just take the whole thing apart. Apparently I have to hold your hand when I'm making points:
Katsuki wrote:Comments:
- UT hop off MOI wagon feels odd. I do not get the charter vote. Noting this for future reference.
- I do not get all the shenanigans going about with UT's list. It basically consisted of the first four names that appeared in this game (MOI, myself, charter via MOI vote, and LMP via discussion).
Players who have attack said list and hung on: LMP
- Ooo look at rajr hop onto MOI wagon in #51. Bus more.
- Rajr #60 is weak.
- #69: Cute, both MOI and LMP are calling UT each other's scumbuddy.
Continuation on this point, both are throwing a shitload of smokescreens at each other as of the most recent page.
- LMP is being unusually evasive thus far.
- LMP #81 shows how he is further analyzing what was a random list from UT. Both he and MOI are paying FAR too much attention to it.
- Talitha's entrance is VERY underwhelming. Takes rather weak stances, and ends with soft vote on rajr. HMM.
- PEANUTMAN IS TOWN BY VIRTUE OF #85
Oh, and KMD is probably town as well.
SUMMARY: MOI LYNCH IS NEEDED ASAP. THEN LMP. THOSE TWO ARE SCUMBUDDYZ4LYFE.
p.s. Let me know if the bulletpoints are easy or hard to read, thanks.
Problems I have with this post:
- Kmd and peanut argued back and forth pretty profusely, and IMO Kmd had the better of it. Yet calls Kmd/peanut town/town with no explanation for why. How does Katsuki-town know this isn't town/scum or even scum/scum? This is the sort of statement that looks to come from an informed minority.
- Calls Talitha's entrance "VERY underwhelming". Yet, Katsuki does not a) question Talitha to try and get more from Tal, or b) probe Talitha on this matter any further. And, to the best of my recollection, hasn't commented on this again AT ALL.
- First appearence of Katsuki's MOI/LMP "SCUMBUDDYZ4LYFE" accusation, despite the fact that MOI and I have NEVER been scum together before, let alone in a game with Katsuki. So how exactly is Katsuki making this determination?
You may disagree with me all you want, but I fail to see how this means I have no reasons to be voting Katsuki.
Jahudo wrote:He also infers (I guess) that Katsuki secretly knew raj was at L-1 but decided to vote LMP first anyway. Hard to prove, or even guess what is more likely. At this point LMP is just padding his case with anything he can find, instead of rightly saying this is more null than anything. Or if he really wants to go there, reasoning why this is scummy.
If by "secretly knew" you mean I trust that Katsuki can count to 7 then yes, I "secretly knew" this. And yes I'm calling it scummy, and I thought it was obvious why. Scum love to jump on another bandwagon if a mislynch is going to happen without them. I don't think I need to explain why blatant distancing from a mislynch is scummy, but I seem to need to hold your hand. Check
this game, in particular my case against PranaDevil (distancing from CoolDog mislynch D2) for an example of scum intentionally avoiding a mislynch they know is going to happen without their vote.
Jahudo wrote:Then LMP criticizes how Katsuki goes after another of his suspects after the lynch. Yet LMP doesn’t explain why that point is bad.
I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Quotes please.
LynchMePls wrote:After that vote post, LMP doesn’t say much about Katsuki. No questioning in fact. What he does instead is try and pair people to Katsuki, set up additional lynches. This makes me think he’s not voting Katsuki to get a better read on him, confirm to himself that Kat is scum. Instead it looks like he’s using the pressure on Katsuki and transferring it to other people. Artificially boosting their own spotlight without continuing an investigation on Katsuki. IE: not trying to find scum in Katsuki but trying to make scum out of Tally, Fonz, etc.
This is flat out a LIE. Here are DIRECT pieces of evidence refuting this statement:
LynchMePls wrote:All the LMP hate has definitely NOT dissipated. I love how you can say all the hate has dissipated, and in the same post say "Larger wagon is a go" and vote me. Seems pretty contradictory.
Flail more for us though Katsuki, it'll make your lynch both easier and more satisfying.
LynchMePls wrote:Katsuki wrote:On pg13 right now.
Just saying that LMP and MOI are obvbuddies.
And MOI's case on me thus far has been virtually
"Kat is playing like how Kat always plays hence Kat scum"
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Multiple times now you've made this assertion and you've offered 0 evidence to support it. Please explain how you are reaching this conclusion.
Also, you're boiling down of the points against you to "This is my playstyle" is both A) wrong and B) scumtastic.
Furthermore, I'm at L-1 and in all likelihood the lynch today, so OF COURSE I'm putting my thoughts out there about everyone, that's what townies do when they know they are going to die. Are you actually saying I should be laser focused on Katsuki to the exclusion of Fonz, Tal, ect? Isn't that what scum would do (push as hard as possible at the other bandwagon purely for survivial instincts)? I can't believe my putting out my opinion on as many people as possible before my lynch is actually scummy in your eyes.
Now, on to some other problems with your post:
Jahudo wrote:LMP is the one who is on that wagon for all the wrong reasons.
**SNIP**
(5) Haschel Cedricson – Calls LMP scummier than MoI in 140 for no reason. Calls Katsuki scummier than LMP in 362 for no reason. There’s no pausing to consider the scumminess of LMP so I have a hard time believing his read on LMP at all. This is a bad vote.
This seems contradictory to me. Why is my vote the worst, the one that is "for all the wrong reasons" yet here you claim HC has provided NO REASONS, while you simply disagree with my reasons. Isn't reasons you disagree with less scummy than no reasons at all? Why or why not?
Lastly, I find this whole post rather interesting considering this from me:
Jahudo wrote:Any reason you feel the need to defend Katsuki's behavior as softly as possible Jahudo?
Is this post your response to my question?