Mini 1087 - The Dresden Files Game Over!

[DavidParker]

/confirm, lets get started!

[DavidParker]

VOTE: LMP
ZOMGSCUM!!

Vote: Mariyta

Lay off my scum buddy!

[DavidParker]

VOTE: LMP
ZOMGSCUM!!

Vote: Mariyta

Lay off my scum buddy!

I'm so sorry. I'll make it all better.

UNVOTE: LMP, VOTE: DavidParker

Lay off me!

Vote: Mariyta; Vote: Mariyta

[DavidParker]

I'm warning you...

[DavidParker]

Day-kill: Mariyta

*Waits for Mod*

[DavidParker]

Did I hit scum?

[DavidParker]

That's unfortunate...

[DavidParker]

Starting to wish I had day-vidge'd Oopidstay instead of Mariyta... Sigh.

[DavidParker]

Preview edit that isn't so edit: That post was entirely serious in its intention.

[DavidParker]

IT'S WORDED WEIRDLY FOR THE EXACT REASON WHY YOU THINK IT'S WORDED REALLY.

TIME TO JOIN THE CAPS PARTY.

I'M ALSO TEMPTED TO SELF VOTE THEN I CAN PROPERLY FIT INTO THIS TOWN.


You live to see another day Mariyta.

[DavidParker]

VOTE: Fate for nothing more than a random vote. Honest. I mean it. No reason other than randomness.

What's the vote count mod?

*Starts all caps rage*

*Deletes all caps rant, and replaces it with little astericks (hi)*

This post is not right. Your asking for a vote count on page 3? It's pretty obvious what the vote count in. Is it that hard to read the threat?? And why must you insist on the randomness of your vote so strongly!??!

[DavidParker]

unvote

Mariyta. Town.

Be back later with new and improved ways to determine my next target's alignment.

[DavidParker]

Why is everyone asking dumb questions of me when it's blatantly obvious what happened. I voted Mariyta and quasi-claimed scum, telling him to get off my scum buddy. He returned fire by OMGUS'ing and voting me instead. I warned him to stop it and pretended to be a double voter. We had some more back and forth (all jokes to be honest, at least on my part)

Who are you idiots asking why I chose to day kill him? We were having a back-and-forth petty OMGUS fight so I pretended to day kill him. I didn't think anyone would believe it and I don't think many did, I tried to play it as 100% legit with my *waiting for mod*, I don't think even Mariyta believed it, but he was just saying if I had he would be hella pissed.

Are you guys so simple minded that you can't see why I chose Maritya as my "fake" target? He was the one I was arguing with. Logical choice.


P.S. HI ENIGMA!!!!

[DavidParker]

wow I would have used my actual day kill on you if i knew you were female. This changes everything.

[DavidParker]

I wikipedia'd the show before signing. I'm still quite unsure, but it seemed interesting. I don't intend to read it, and I can't youtube it because of my region (Australia). So, I'll just go with what I've got anyways.


@smargaret: Despite my stating how dumb and useless the questions were (as antihero put: "lead to a dead end"), you'll noticed I still answered them.

It seems I don't exist in this game, à la recent vote-count.

I know it's early, and people don't tend to have strong reads, but you don't seem to be trying any harder to get reads:

Vote: havinfitz

[DavidParker]

Mari, I love you and all, but those last 2 sentences of yours in the SAME post are just gems. True gem.

Sentence 1: "Meta is faulty at best"
Sentence 2: *meta meta meta*, "she was town there, so i'm ok with her for now"

Can i keep you?

[DavidParker]

Fitz is obv scum at this point.

[DavidParker]

I laughed at his mention of a policy lynch, but decided not to abuse him for it.

[DavidParker]

(and yes I saw your questions oopid, they are just dumb. and refer to sarcastic/joking comments of mine)

I will say I have a town read on Mariyta and if you have to know why I'll say it's because she likes dogs.

[DavidParker]

Sorry, V/LA til monday.

Noted.

[DavidParker]

Back early ! content coming sooon!

[DavidParker]

Holy bejesus wall posts....

I haven't read any of it, cause, well, it's freaking long. But Oop, I'm meh on you right now. No opinion one way or the other. You don't stand out as scummy, but I don't see you as glaringly town, either. So, meh. Of course, I haven't read your last post.

Yeah, CoA, I'm sorry! This will be my first attempt at catch-up. Been busy with heaps of visitors moving into my house tomorrow, and in quite a few games, but I don't plan on flaking.

Firstly, HF's recent play has struck me as townish, so for that,

Unvote

Now time to trek through some wall posts.

[DavidParker]

It's become apparent to me that I am in this game. Apologies for my lack of involvment, I actually don't have much reasoning for it as I was enjoying myself greatly in this game especially with my fake-vigging and some of the people in this game do seem fun. Expect Super-Involvement-Activity VERY SOON because I have just been reminded this game exists.

[DavidParker]

Looking at Smarge/Zdenek I see two solid cases... In fact, this is rare, I actually think both are scum, and while I hate being a sheep in games and prefer to make my own aggressive stance I'm currently bogged down with multiple games and bulllllk alchoool so i think this may have to be a game where I am a sheep to some extent. I actually believe both are scum. I expected upon rereeading the thread to get a scum read from neither or one of them but I feel they are actually scum buddies.

[DavidParker]

Head.

Ache.


*Major backpeddle*, by no means do I think smarge and Zdenek are scum buddies. And I say this despite the previous post I made.

[DavidParker]

That's a lot of definitive claims in one tiny post Fate that is setting up lynches to come.

[DavidParker]

Nor do I, But I think zdenek will.

And I don't think you're scum, long post coming in 5minutes or so.

[DavidParker]

Quick thoughts since I still have like 5-6 pages of wall posts to catch up on that I've only skimmed...

Enigma lurking - despite thinkin enigma is usually scum I actualy think him lurking and admitting to it is more representative of his town meta.

Zdenek - Early game questioning wasn't as useless as most people who ask mass questions early, ++town points, and statements like this give him town points: "About DavidParker, after making a move like the fake vig kill, he's likely to be labelled as town by almost everyone, and I didn't want to just leave him alone after it."

In general, I think people need to re-read zdenek's iso without "confirmation bias" and there isn't all that much pointing to him being scum.

Smarge.. smarge.. smarge.. starts setting off bells with comments such as "Fate so you're not scum hunting this game?" He starts out by attacking people for not scum hunting, attacking DDDP for not posting reasons with his votes, and now going after ooop for "meh" reasons. scummy.

LMP - scum. because i say so.

Fate - town

CoA - I got nothing.

Oopid - Town! because he fake double voted and I fake vigged (and dbl voted). Clearly town as well.



Mariyta - Pinged back on my radar when zdenek saw this:

In case I am dead. I saw Mariyta online in the forum long after my claim, so she probably saw it, but still decided to neither unvote nor comment.

AntiHero - back peddling with going from not knowing the flavor to knowing it... Hmm. You'd think the flavor speculation would come from people who know the flavor, or antihero would have asked someone who does know it if it fits... (But i'm a dirty hypocritical back peddler as well )


Everyone else who isn't included or commented on doesn't get a mention. Not even a mention like CoA got saying I have nothing. CoA is just special.

[DavidParker]

Expecting Smarge+LMP+ antihero OR mariyta as scum.

[DavidParker]

No, Smarge AND LMP are scum, and the third scum is mariyta or antihero.

And it has been 5 minutes. I posted ;(

[DavidParker]

Quick thoughts since I still have like 5-6 pages of wall posts to catch up on that I've only skimmed...

Enigma lurking - despite thinkin enigma is usually scum I actualy think him lurking and admitting to it is more representative of his town meta.

Zdenek - Early game questioning wasn't as useless as most people who ask mass questions early, ++town points, and statements like this give him town points: "About DavidParker, after making a move like the fake vig kill, he's likely to be labelled as town by almost everyone, and I didn't want to just leave him alone after it."

In general, I think people need to re-read zdenek's iso without "confirmation bias" and there isn't all that much pointing to him being scum.

Smarge.. smarge.. smarge.. starts setting off bells with comments such as "Fate so you're not scum hunting this game?" He starts out by attacking people for not scum hunting, attacking DDDP for not posting reasons with his votes, and now going after ooop for "meh" reasons. scummy.

LMP - scum. because i say so.

Fate - town

CoA - I got nothing.

Oopid - Town! because he fake double voted and I fake vigged (and dbl voted). Clearly town as well.



Mariyta - Pinged back on my radar when zdenek saw this:

In case I am dead. I saw Mariyta online in the forum long after my claim, so she probably saw it, but still decided to neither unvote nor comment.

AntiHero - back peddling with going from not knowing the flavor to knowing it... Hmm. You'd think the flavor speculation would come from people who know the flavor, or antihero would have asked someone who does know it if it fits... (But i'm a dirty hypocritical back peddler as well )


Everyone else who isn't included or commented on doesn't get a mention. Not even a mention like CoA got saying I have nothing. CoA is just special.

i r haes kontrabuewshuns?

[DavidParker]

I'm glad my buddying worked

[DavidParker]

I'm not thoroughly reading the thread :/

I suck.

[DavidParker]

DP and Enigma...you don't think anyone merits your votes atm?

Oh there are plenty of people who merit my vote.

But it's just a vote. Right now I'm happy to sit back and relax ya know.

[DavidParker]

Also, buddying more often than not comes from 2 people who have had no interactions apart from in the game itself. There is really "obvious" buddying between scum buddies or between masons.

As town I often buddy up to people to try get them to come to my way of thinking or just because I think they are obv town and are leading the town in the right direction. As scum, I buddy people to make them less likely to go after me, logic being someone who is town is more likely to push a case on someone who isn't supporting them.

[DavidParker]

Also, buddying more often than not comes from 2 people who have had no interactions apart from in the game itself. There is

rarely

"obvious" buddying between scum buddies or between masons.

As town I often buddy up to people to try get them to come to my way of thinking or just because I think they are obv town and are leading the town in the right direction. As scum, I buddy people to make them less likely to go after me, logic being someone who is town is more likely to push a case on someone who isn't supporting them.

EBWOP

[DavidParker]

^Scum.

[DavidParker]

Nah, he's right on me.

[DavidParker]

Unvote:
Vote: DavidParker

Damn shame. I was looking forward to being town with you again

When were we town together before? It must not have been very memorable...

[DavidParker]

It must have been one of my "better" town games if you were looking forward to being town together. Let's hope I can replicate it here :/

[DavidParker]

Vote: LMP

It seems I haven't had a vote down in a while. That's not something I'm happy about.

[DavidParker]

Despite the last votecount being "for the players" and to make them happy, it seems to be full of misinformation that has discontented the players!

And yeah, if the LMP wagon doesn't kick off like I'm hoping I might have to join the smarg crew...

[DavidParker]

Yeah I don't quite understand how his claim as one-shot bulletproof makes him town-ish. Scum would likely just claim what they are. And there's no reason as to why scum aren't 1-shot bulletproof.

[DavidParker]

Why, antihero, WHY!?

[DavidParker]

/not-so-mindless-but-still-mindless bandwagon

Vote: smargaret

[DavidParker]

Not to me really.. Mariyta's "rejection" of the alliance seems more likely to come from town than scum.

[DavidParker]

How do I join this "alliance"? Is there an application form somewhere? Can I take Mariyta's slot?? I can give references if needed.

@Nacho: It ugh means what it says?

[DavidParker]

It's not entirely mindless because I agree with the case (well most of it, not all) on smarge.

But I posted the "mindless" bit because all my post contained was a bandwagoning vote.

[DavidParker]

Mari is town lay off him.

[DavidParker]

Wowzahs, this game still exists. Need to pull out my notes. Oh right. Obvious scum.

Vote: HavinFitz

Damn...I'm gonna have to rethink everything, with two of my suspects flipping town. Plus I'm starting to feel that fitz is pushing crap cases because he's playing poorly and not because he's scum.

Rereads are going to be required, which won't happen for awhile due to still being on vacation.

Mod: V/LA until after New Year's.

I might find time to post before then, but don't count on it.

Oh, please don't tell me your Fitz's scum buddy? Here I was thinking you were town...

[DavidParker]

Zdenek strikes me more as lazy-town. But it is annoying me and my town-confirmation-bias on him is wearing off. I'd rather have my vote on obv-scum HF at this point.

[DavidParker]

Wait, this isn't a newbie game??? I'm way out of my depths.

Can I replace out?

No.

[DavidParker]

Oh, half the playerlist just went fucking V/LA.

Great.

Yeah wow.

I'm going to be v/la from jan 1st to 3rd, so seems I can't even make my next few days count...

@mod:

I'm voting HF

[DavidParker]

I don't read anyone's post. I just shake my magic 8 ball.

[DavidParker]

Because that post was entirely serious and I have no intention to post content in the immediate future and I have not used sarcasm at all in this entire game and everything I have said has been entirely serious (including my day-kill, which apparently didn't work because Mariyta was day-vig immune).

Be patient. I'll leave my thoughts and reasons as to why HF is scum before I go on holidays.

[DavidParker]

1) HF's entrance. There is just no town-reasoning behind his entrance. I know it's been explained by him but it still doesn't make sense. He comes in posts an RVS that he states is "purely random and nothing more" because he "hates RVS", but while he was doing all this there was plenty else he could have commented on: My Fake day-vig, LMP's self-vote (which is still hella scummy since he did it despite there being a fake day-vig, but he's my number 2 scum candidate), but despite hating RVS and not having to take part in it, he chose to. There was just a major contradiction, and it's almost like he was forcing himself to take part to "fit in", something rather scummy.

Now this was followed by some "solid" scum-hunting... Which consists of.. Oh not a whole lot. He has this giant wall posts which just comment and analyze little points people have made. It's more a commentary than scum hunting. Then his actual "scum-hunting" just consists of pointing out instances where oopid and LMP are consistently voting the same people.. Really, cool beans. I'm sure you could have found a similar connection to 2 other people in the game if you looked. It's not a tell on day 1 when we haven't seen a single flip. He didn't want any wagon except a LMP or oopid wagon (The oopid wagon itself was a bit of an OMGUS), but still stated how he would vote for mariyta (over smarg as the two main wagons) rather than pushing these wagons. That's why I feel LMP is quite likely his scum buddy (he's hella scummy cuz of the self-vote to start with), and then you have HF"s poor bussing on LMP (it's funny because he was focusing more on oopid than LMP, even though his entire case was on them being scum together, he was still just arguing with oopid throughout the whole thing while LMP lurked or didnt comment). So, HF stated how LMP+oopid were likely scum together, but was rather easily convinced to vote for mariyta , suggesting to me that likely one of the first 2 is his scum buddy (ie: LMP), as smarg and mariyta both flipped town, so his jumping onto their wagons despite not finding them that scummy doesn't sit well at all.


Tl;Dr: HF starts the game with major contradictions in his play, makes a case on 2 people being scum buddies but only rlly goes after one (other one who i think is scum, LMP, based on his unncessary self-vote and distancing from HF), then switches his vote to mariyta despite not rlly posting any suspciions of him/her.

V/la: until jan 4th

(might post responses tonight if i'm still up)

Vote: HF

(just in case mod didnt notice my previous vote still )

[DavidParker]

back from camping. Leave tomorrow night to fly to the US (From australia), but will have access to computers etc there, so it won't be a very long absence. Will try get a catchup post before I fly out.

[DavidParker]

Claim: Anastasia Luccio, Hider

Next Claim: HavinFitz

Hid with Oopid Night 1. Did not hide subsequent nights.

Hence, oopid is town.

[DavidParker]

Eh...

[DavidParker]

Maybe you should look at my claim from the perspective that I'm ACTUALLY a hider or the scum's perfect game will be completed... That is assuming you are town.

[DavidParker]

DDD + Enigma+Fate haven't claimed yet.

Fixed.

[DavidParker]

Oopid hasn't claimed either I believe.

I still don't see a doctor claim btw. I'm about ready to roast Fate.

[DavidParker]

ORLY!?

yo how do i use pm.

i need tips.

i thought this was a newbie game.

[/sarcasm]

[DavidParker]

Because I'm sure the scum don't have any special abilities, amirite?

[DavidParker]

I didn't hide subsequent nights because I considered myself an unlikely night-kill target as I had been playing somewhat poorly and didn't consider myself a likely target. If I hide with scum I die, so it was becoming increasingly likely I would hide with scum as more townies died. I considered you (oopid) a more likely target for a nightkill than myself, so it made more sense not to hide than hide with you.

[DavidParker]

Fine. Go to your losses since you're all stuck on it. It makes perfect sense not to hide. So I use my "hiding" as a pseudo-investigation? I'm just as likely to die as I am to clear someone almost since it's now MYLO presumably. With 8 other players last night, 3 scum and 1 person gets targetted I have a 50% chance to die if I hide. Only a 1/5 chance if I don't hide.

Hiding with oopid doesn't investigate anything and he seemed a more likely night kill target than me, so opting not to hide was an obvious move..

Blah blah blah. ATE ATE ATE. Have fun losing assuming this is mylo. ATE ATE ATE.

Vote: David Parker

[DavidParker]

Meh.

unvote

[DavidParker]

The doctor should claim doctor, that's the point of mass claim. If I don't see a doctor claim I'm DEFINITELY seeing Fate-Scum.

[DavidParker]

I had no idea there was a point to address. What do you want me to say in respond? It's fairly obvious. I wasn't going to state that I'm 100% sure Oopid was town on day 2. Or obviously I had discovered this fact by some sort of PR ability. I didn't vote for oopid at any point or post any "real" suspicion of him. I just chose not to post how I was 100% sure he is town. It's fairly clear why that's a reasonable course of action.

I avoided posting in a way that suggested I am a PR. I posted some pretend suspicion on oopid, but really never threw a case at him or had any legit suspicions towards him, feel free to go read my entire iso and try mis-rep some posts to find some if you want Fate. But as it stands now, you're the scummiest until I see a doctor flip.

I agree with the no lynch as long as the doctor claims tomorrow. If doctor doesn't claim tomorrow, I'm voting you.

Vote: No Lynch

[DavidParker]

unvote

Til I see what you conjure.

[DavidParker]

Oh hi, what's going on here. A bunch of non-sensical back-and-forth from Spyrex and Fate... Fate's claim is believable, and I'm somehow not surprised it was some kind of trap given his unwillingness to claim his role. (And claiming there is a doctor, means he's less likely to be targetted again, if he's telling the truth in being able to self-protect only once).

Apart from that.. Oh right, we have spyrex claiming another PR with obv bussing. Oh, you give us a confirmed town.. Oh too bad he was more or less already confirmed town because of me.. How convenient you investigated him and can't give the town a result on someone else.. All you have is a result on Nacho.. Lemme guess.. Your scum buddy?

I'm more than willing to lynch obvious scum, so nacho is going to be getting my vote as soon as people are ready for the day to end, but yeah, do you guys feel I should hide, and if so, where? With that said, I don't feel as if letting the scum know exactly what my night action is going to be is beneficial to town, so no promises on my part. You guys can go stuff yourself if you think I'm going to "suicide" myself behind Fate. I'd rather help this town to victory with Spyrex's grand-scum entrance.

[DavidParker]

@Mod:

Umm, no role information?!?

I targeted Fate last night. I was either roleblocked or some other crazy mechanic happened.

DDDP and HF seems like the remaining scum, would love to see who spyrex investigated, have a pretty strong town read on LMP.

[DavidParker]

Hahahaha, is there some kind of award for the most fail scum fake-claim ? DDDP wins hands down.

[DavidParker]

Vote: DDDP

[DavidParker]

I'll be hiding behind spyrex tonight in the hopes that I die with him then to prove my innocence, as if there are 4 alive tomorrow it seems that no lynch is going to be most beneficial anyways, so my dying tonight with spyrex probably helps town.

[DavidParker]

@DDDP: How does that role claim look scummy as fuck in mass claim??? You wanna know what's scummy as fuck. You lying about your role then making up some "lol-worthy" role when a cop finds out you are scum after you have claimed VT.

[DavidParker]

A faerie killing janitor... Can we get some more DDDP votes already?

[DavidParker]

How is DDDP not scum fitz? Last minute distancing since everyone will be thinking scum bussed today when DDDP flipped because he's so obvious?

[DavidParker]

I'm not going to (seeing as I didn't die behind Fate last night) and then you'll lynch me tomorrow but I'm okay with a loss here.

Well, DDDP will hopefully flip Roleblocker then I can hide behind you.

[DavidParker]

I really hope fitz is not the roleblocker and DDDP is...

The fact Fitz is pushing my wagon over DDDP's wagon makes me think that DDDP probably is the roleblocker, and he doesn't want me to be able to hide behind spyrex tonight.

[DavidParker]

NIGHTKILL SPYREXX

!!!!

OH WAIT.

(lock thread)

Posting in thread after nightfall doesn't impress your mod, I needed to have it unlocked to edit existing posts.

You've played enough games here that you should know by now that once it's night you don't post in the thread until daybreak even if it should be unlocked.

[DavidParker]

I'm not scum. I will flip hider.

I have hid behind Fate and Spyrex as instructed but not died, we have yet to see a roleblocker flip so it's pretty clear what has occurred to me. I understand you guys have no reason to believe in the presence of a roleblocker or my claim, but you probably shouldn't rush through lylo like this.

I'm just really glad it's oopid who hasn't voted for me yet since he is confirmed town, one of you two is scum.

[DavidParker]

Yeah, I'm planning on making cases and looking through my nights. They didn't do that because they wanted me LEFT ALIVE to frame me. Much easier win. The alternative is right now it's a 3 player lylo between LMP/oopid/HF. Now, they leave me alive by roleblocking me, and they get into LYLO with an easy mislynch.

[DavidParker]

Sorry, I've been active in other games just not here; no excuse really. I probably am in one or two more games than I should be, but I've managed to put the necessary posts into other games. My concentration is now on this game above others as it's time to get something done, I think I've been slow because I know we have time at the moment.

[DavidParker]

Alright, well this is hard for me. Part of me is saying to vote for LMP by the way he is playing here rushing this lynch and looking at setup speculation to find scum over actual connections and analysis. Not to mention his lynch would be much easier to push since HF and Oopid are undecided. But nothing in his iso, or DDDP/nacho's play makes LMP-scum at all plausible. As it stands I'd say I'm 95% HF, 4.9% LMP, 0.1% oopid (Some crazy theme mechanic that makes him appear VT to VT-cop AND me getting roleblocked night1, LOLWOTYEAHRITE)


So... LMP, are you ready to join with me yet?

The more I think about it though, the more I just don't see LMP scum, and will not see it. In fact, I haven't even done HF's full iso yet, because there is almost no way you are scum, PoE has sealed my decision. Anyways, I'm done, we're at the end of this game so you make your decision. I don't think any case I make on HF is likely to sway you either way. So, I'm just asking that you take a deep breath and a small leap of faith and vote with me.

It's just an added benefit that I am actually town, btw.

[DavidParker]

Vote: HF

[DavidParker]

There's four on my wiki (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=DavidParker), take your pick.

[DavidParker]

Umm I saw no benefit from hiding subsequent nights after all our mislynches early on, because it became more probably I would be hiding behind scum (and thus die). My only confirmed town (oopid), was a more likely night target than myself so I chose not to hide rather than hide behind him.

[DavidParker]

Yeah, getting roleblocked after I've claimed as a PR is scummy? ;/

[DavidParker]

I don't really have much to comment on with the scum's poor choice of night actions or how that's worked so far.

I know nothing of the flavor/theme here either.

[DavidParker]

unvote, vote DP

shot down in flames.

[DavidParker]

Lol fitz still so unsure.

[DavidParker]

I think the setup was good, possibly slightly town sided.

Ie: Scum had no idea to use seductress to kill certain players (ie: Fate on night 1), I mean there was no reason to actually use her it seemed.

As for my ability, with no Vig, there wasn't much point to creating confusion with night kills, asyou could always assume whoever died was town.

Town was pretty heavy on the PR side, and scum didn't really even have a roleblocker or any kind of power (just 1 or 2 abilities that could nullify one or two of the PRs), I do think we were a bit unlucky and the game isn't heavily town favored but at least slightly so, but I'd rather that given how easy scum seem to win games now a days.

Some of the timing and just how it played out was down right unlucky ie: with the VT cop claiming last in mass claim, and enigma probably would have been lynched if he stayed in the game. Anyways, well played town, agree PRs won it for the most part, but you can't take away from them entirely with that.

[DavidParker]

To sum it up:

Quicktopic:
DP: We are fucked
DDDP: Yeah...
Conclusion: So ugh. Let's just target spyrex and hope for the best?

Scum basically had no PR in a sense. Their abilites were situationally useful, however, they had no idea how or where to use them. IE: There was no motive for us to use Nacho's ability that rolelocked the player he was targetting, I mean it semi-implied there may be something like a body guard, but why not just use the track/roleblock-immune killer for every kill?? My night-kill ability was kinda cool, but considering we had no Vig or other night kills, any night kill could be assumed to be on town, and after mass claim, it didn't really matter there was no flip. Even early on, not seeing a flip doesnt matter much with 1 night kill, because assumption is they are town.

@Oopid; Spyrex more or less just used his role info that had already been used; I mean he played it well from there, but it's a lot easier to play town when you know who is scum based on role information.

[DavidParker]

I knew almost certainly no one was going to claim doctor which is why I was trying to force Fate to full-claim and why I was stating I'd push his lynch given no doctor-claim (since his semi-claim relied on there being a doctor). I knew there was bait in there somewhere.

However, spyrex coming in with role information, meant scum was found and fate could be ignored :/


Also, I thought there was a mod mistake when you died Spyrex. I was like, "huh, didn't we change target from Fate to spyrex?".

Also, you are entirely wrong in thinking if spyrex hadn't come along it would of gone DP lyncH>DDD>Nacho etc. I woulda been gunning you hardddddddddddddd.


There was a lot this game to trip up scum, but nothing to really trip up town or backfire upon them.

[DavidParker]

Your first two lynches were on town. Your next two lynches on scum were entirely on role information. Your final scum lynch was not based on role information, but because of the flips of both scum and a bad role claim.

I don't see how it was very likely you were to hit scum with your lynches than town based on the track history there :/

[DavidParker]

You never believed anyone to be obv-town really and voted almost everyone at some point or another for something.. So..?

[DavidParker]

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