Mini 1087 - The Dresden Files Game Over!

[LimMePls]

And you have to be the hammer? Why?

[DavidParker]

Alright, well this is hard for me. Part of me is saying to vote for LMP by the way he is playing here rushing this lynch and looking at setup speculation to find scum over actual connections and analysis. Not to mention his lynch would be much easier to push since HF and Oopid are undecided. But nothing in his iso, or DDDP/nacho's play makes LMP-scum at all plausible. As it stands I'd say I'm 95% HF, 4.9% LMP, 0.1% oopid (Some crazy theme mechanic that makes him appear VT to VT-cop AND me getting roleblocked night1, LOLWOTYEAHRITE)


So... LMP, are you ready to join with me yet?

The more I think about it though, the more I just don't see LMP scum, and will not see it. In fact, I haven't even done HF's full iso yet, because there is almost no way you are scum, PoE has sealed my decision. Anyways, I'm done, we're at the end of this game so you make your decision. I don't think any case I make on HF is likely to sway you either way. So, I'm just asking that you take a deep breath and a small leap of faith and vote with me.

It's just an added benefit that I am actually town, btw.

[DavidParker]

Vote: HF

[havingfitz]

And you have to be the hammer? Why?

No where do I say I need to be the hammer. I'm saying we couldn't lynch DP today without Oopid's decision...and I would prefer to hold off on my vote until there has been a bit more discussion (which would require the aforementioned Oopid decision or at least an Oopid opinion).

[havingfitz]

DP...do you have any games you were scum in that can you post links to?

[DavidParker]

There's four on my wiki (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=DavidParker), take your pick.

[LimMePls]

OOPID GET IN HERE! GOOD LORD!

[Oopidstay]

Sorry, life is trying to kidnap me.

There's an issue I'm seeing with DP-scum: if he's fakeclaiming hider,

why bother claiming you didn't hide on some nights?

It seems more sensible that if one's going to go with a hider claim, then one should always claim a hide each night. It's less suspicious that way. On the other hand, the careless manner with which he threw up "other nights" is really bothering me, so maybe he was just scum trying to be clever. Going over his ISO hasn't really made me feel that much more suspicious about him. Some of his gaffes I could honestly see coming from a town perspective (such as the supposed suspicion of me on Day 2; his explanation fit with how I saw it).

I'll look LMP and fitz up when I have more time.

[LimMePls]

Because if you claim you hid on multiple nights, you have to state who you hid behind, which means you either have to "confirm" a bunch of townies, or link yourself to your buddies (when they flip and you aren't dead, you get auto-lynched).

[DavidParker]

Umm I saw no benefit from hiding subsequent nights after all our mislynches early on, because it became more probably I would be hiding behind scum (and thus die). My only confirmed town (oopid), was a more likely night target than myself so I chose not to hide rather than hide behind him.

[LimMePls]

Yes, hiding behind the same player over and over would be stupid. BUT DYING HIDING BEHIND SCUM IS AWESOME! Simply breadcrumb who you are going to hide behind, and then when you die, watch town lynch the person you hid behind. Look in my wiki at LOTR mafia in my ISO for a similar use (I was a weak-Doc, but the concept is the same). PLUS YOU GET INNOCENTS ON PEOPLE YOU HIDE BEHIND WHEN YOU DON'T DIE! Choosing to not hide is ridiculous, but not necessarily scummy. Combining it with "oh noes, I'm getting RB'ed" when told to prove your hiding makes the whole thing obviously scummy.

[DavidParker]

Yeah, getting roleblocked after I've claimed as a PR is scummy? ;/

[havingfitz]

One thing I just noticed was that Fate was "Eaten". Would the mode of the NK reflect on the remaining scum's role (if any)? A RB (which is the only way DP is being framed) doesn't seem like the type of role that would involve eating their victim.

[LimMePls]

1) Why would they block YOU the night Fate died, instead of SpyreX who was MUCH more dangerous. I understand you contend now that they blocked you last night so that they could set you up for a lynch, but why would they allow SpyreX that extra night of VT copping when they could have gotten you killed along with Fate AND not allowed SpyreX to get another investigation. ESPECIALLY when SpyreX was a VT cop and one of the scum claimed VT and was lying. No way they block you and let SpyreX get another night.
2) Prior to you claiming, you magically chose to "not hide", while only AFTER claiming when the town asked you to prove your role were you mysteriously getting roleblocked. Its a combination of the two that makes it far more likely that you are lying.

Your story doesn't wash. Any 1 of the circumstances by itself would be unlikely but not daming. All of them together make it almost certain you are lying scum
.

@fitz: That may be circumstantial evidence further backing up my position, but I'm not a flavor expert on the theme, so I have no idea whether this is true or not.

[DavidParker]

I don't really have much to comment on with the scum's poor choice of night actions or how that's worked so far.

I know nothing of the flavor/theme here either.

[havingfitz]

OK...I provided my main issue with DP yesterday when I pushed for his lynch over DDDs. At least two confirmed townies (Fate and SpyreX) strongly shared those suspicions towards DP. LMPs last few posts have been well worded IMO and are similar or expand on my DP suspicions. While I thought Oopid had a good point about the "I didn't hide night two" comment by DP and how it would most likely come from town...I would not want to hinge a win on something that small of a possible indicator when all the other things with DPs claim are much more profound.

We could go to LYLO with a No Lynch (which would surely result in an Oopid NK) but that would leave us back to LMP, DP and me. With DP set on me...if LMP was scum that would be game over regardless of what I chose to do. And if DP is in fact the last scum...he can be the lynch just as easily today as he would be tomorrow. I'm not sure if anything is going to be more persuasive for me or Oopid with respect to LMP's possible alignment (and for mine as far as Oopid is concerned) so there is no reason to drag out my eventual vote.

VOTE: DP

[DavidParker]

unvote, vote DP

shot down in flames.

[LimMePls]

WOOT!

[havingfitz]

OK DP...is that an "I'm scum" shot down in flames self hammer surrender orrrrrrrrr LMP, is that an "I'm scum" and town just lost WOOT?

[DavidParker]

Lol fitz still so unsure.

[havingfitz]

I don't take anything for granted. I assume you are scum saying fock it with your self vote. But you are a bit flakey and it would not surprise me if you were frustrated off town and said screw it.

So...

wth is the mod/flip?

[TheButtonmen]

Sorry for the delay Tuesdays and Wednesdays is pretty much a weekly V/LA for me.

That's a lynch!

[TheButtonmen]

The body of

SpyreX

has been found it turns out he was

Karrin Murphy the Vanilla Cop

!

DavidParker aka Tigress Scum Predator has been lynched!

[havingfitz]

That is a relief! Tigress eh? I guess "eaten by" was pertinent. Sorry to drag it out a but I was having a hard time overcoming my LMP suspicions (although DP was still my frontrunner). Glad to know if my push to get DP yesterday had panned out that it would not have cost town the game.

Great scam you ran FATE and thanks to SpyreX for coming in and confirming a few town/scum positions.

I sucked with my early suspicions on Oopid ad LMP (as did theirs' on me) but I still think this game was a fun one.

Thanks TBM

[LimMePls]

Town got their asses massively saved by PRs. On straight play, we woulda been wrecked. GJ to Fate and SpyreX for taking us from perfect defeat to a victory.

Thanks for running the game mod!