Mini 1030 - White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Robbnva]

/confirm

[Robbnva]

i'm pretty new to the site and in the newbie game we had to confirm in the thread, I figured that was the norm for all agmes on here when you start, regardless of what the role pm to me said.

This is only the 2nd game I have started on this site so please excuse my n00b behavior

fwiw, I confirmed in pm also.

[Robbnva]

Often mafia are paying more attention to their qt at the start of the game than the thread.

qt?

[Robbnva]

Congrats on revealing your scumbuddy.

you don't know if anyone has revealed anything.

look at my previous post, it explains my confirm post

[Robbnva]

or the post before my post asking what a qt is, cause I still don't know what the fuck a qt is

[Robbnva]

Hi Jack, hi DMSIS, hi yabba, hi Haschel, hi players I don't know.

##vote: RedCoyote

. Go wagon go.

see now jack

THIS is more suspicious, than me posting confirm during confirmation stage

but I am not going to jump the gun on anyone just yet

[Robbnva]

DMSIS is a complete VI, heads up.

What's wrong with pushing for a lynch pregame?

nothing if it was based on something with any actual logic behind it

[Robbnva]

and with that, Im off to bed later guys

[Robbnva]

In this game a quicklynch would have told us more than a day of talking will.

that isn't true actually, the more people talk day one, the more we have to read over later in the game once we finally catch mafia. Once the first mafia is exposed, it is sometimes quite easy to spot the relationships between the mafia members (not always of course but most of the time I have been able to)

[Robbnva]

In this game a quicklynch would have told us more than a day of talking will.

that isn't true actually, the more people talk day one, the more we have to read over later in the game once we finally catch mafia. Once the first mafia is exposed, it is sometimes quite easy to spot the relationships between the mafia members (not always of course but most of the time I have been able to)

Quantity is not quality. I'd rather see people's posts

in the context of someone being quicklynched

than otherwise. For example you drop a comment about mafia strategy, but ignore the wagon!!!!

I want to be on my computer to read up before casting my vote. I'm not gonna wagon vote for the sake of wagon voting

I can't do that so well on my iPhone

[Robbnva]

I actually see jack's point, about quick days, going back through the games I have played on my other site, I noticed the same trend.

##Vote drmy

[Robbnva]

here was the last vote count, so like it was said already, I did not. also d1 lynch a nilla townie and not outing a power role is actually not THAT horrible.

Day 1 Vote Count

RedCoyote ( 0 )
yabbaguy ( 0 )
Jack ( 0 )
Data ( 0 )
Haschel Cedricson ( 0 )
Friend ( 0 )
caelum ( 0 )
Robbnva ( 0 )
cateraction ( 0 )
drmyshottyizsik ( 4 ) scott brosius jack friend haschel cedricson
Scott Brosius ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 7 ) RedCoyote yabbaguy caelum robbnva cateraction drmyshottyizsik data
Total Votes ( 11 )
Deadline: September 7th at 23:00 EDT
With 11 total votes, 6 needed to lynch.

In this game, I think a quicklynch would have been good.

[Robbnva]

Oh never mind sorry. I'm L-1 and lynch a VT over scum is never good dumb ass, you sound so scummy Rob

but the odds of actually nailng scum day 1 is very rare so getting through the day with just a nilla townie is considered a safe lynch.

I may sound scummy but the logic is true.

so now we run somebody else up the flag pole and hope they are scum, but if they are a cop or a doc or something else, we will all go, DAMN lynching the nilla wasn't so bad afterall but I will play along, I would much rather nail scum

##unvote

[Robbnva]

here was the last vote count, so like it was said already, I did not. also d1 lynch a nilla townie and not outing a power role is actually not THAT horrible.

Do you think we d1 lynched a nilla townie???

we had not lynched anyone yet, so no I don't think we had lynched anyone yet but running up another person and getting them to claim may not give us such luck next time. we may get mafia, but we may get the doc, bodyguard, cop, or some other power role.

I have seen players like Papa Zito, who is a DAMN good mafia player use the same strategy.

getting through day 1 with a mafia lynch or a nilla townie lynch are your best odds

the chance you actually hit scum on day 1 is pure luck.

[Robbnva]

so am I really in the minority here? lynching a nilla townie is not considered an acceptable loss on day 1?

if I was mafia, why would I settle for just a nilla townie, why not go with the pack and and hope to out a power role. I'm trying to protect the power roles from being outed, those who insist on running up another person are the ones I fos.

[Robbnva]

and here Jack and friend are just proving my point, they would much rather run up everyone until they out every single power role.

Jack is also contradicting himself, he says he wants a quick lynch yet he has the opportunity to get out with a quick lynch and not kill anyone of value, yet he back pedals

[Robbnva]

@ friend, lying about using random.org and pulling my name is suck a lame duck move

[Robbnva]

should be such not suck

also, if you want to move on to someone else, at least let it be somebody who doesn't even care enough to post in the game or even confirm their role pm

[Robbnva]

so am I really in the minority here? lynching a nilla townie is not considered an acceptable loss on day 1?

NO GOD NO YOU REEK SO SCUMMY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VOTE : rOB

ok well than you guys play different here.

personally i don't like games where we out power roles early unless they have info, i don't see how that makes me scummy though.

[Robbnva]

EBWOP: Robbnva, why are you voting for drmyshottyizsik? Be specific.

specifically?

because we have done the 2nd best thing you can do on a day 1, located a vanilla townie instead of a cop or a doc. there is no point is trying to find somebody else to lynch in my opinion because of the chance the next person we pick not being scum, could be cop or doc (or some other power role)

On day 1 the odds that you actually lynch scum is very small percentage so your next best and safest bet is to hope you get out of there with a vanilla townie.

Do I really want to lynch a townie? NO of course I don't

Do I want to lynch scum? Well yea no question

It is day 1, do I think that if we move on to somebody else we will nail scum? possibly, but the odds are still against it

so we really have 2 options as I see it. 1. lynch the nilla townie or 2. vote no lynch (if that is even possible)

personally I am not a huge fan of no lynches unless we have outed a power role early, the fact that we have outed a nilla townie (one acting slightly off mind you) is a safe move, although it may not be the most ideal move.

I hope this explains my thought process a little better, apologies if It came off the wrong way.

[Robbnva]

vote: Robbvna

Your post is basically saying that you don't think Shotty is scum, but you're policy lynching him because he claimed and you want to protect "PR's." That and you're basing your next lynch on chance which means you're not interested in scumhunting.

Seems no matter what I do, I'm scummy anyways but I'll take a shot at this

No I don't beleive shotty is what he claims to be
yes I want to protect PRs
I am interested in scumhunting, lyinching shotty will actually accomplish protecting a PR AND give us a vote count to look at for possible scumhunting

if we pull off and go after others, I'm not going to bitch about it, I will still scumhunt, but if we out a PR I will be pissed.

But this is just my personal opinion, you guys can make up your own minds on what to do and how to play

[Robbnva]

Day 1 Vote Count

RedCoyote ( 0 )
yabbaguy ( 0 )
Jack ( 0 )
Data ( 0 )
Haschel Cedricson ( 1 ) RedCoyote,
Friend ( 1 ) Scott Brosius,
cloudocean ( 0 )
Robbnva ( 0 )
cateraction ( 0 )
drmyshottyizsik ( 3 ) jack, haschel cedricson, friend,
Scott Brosius ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 6 ) yabbaguy, cloudocean, cateraction, drmyshottyizsik, data, robbnva,
Total Votes ( 11 )

Deadline: September 7th at 23:00 EDT
With 11 able to vote, 6 needed to lynch.

I hope this explains my thought process a little better, apologies if It came off the wrong way.

Do you think that drmyshottyizsik is scum? If so, why? If not, who do you believe is scum?

This question I will address once I get to a pc, but short story. Yes I think he is scum

[Robbnva]

I hope this explains my thought process a little better, apologies if It came off the wrong way.

Do you think that drmyshottyizsik is scum? If so, why? If not, who do you believe is scum?

This question I will address once I get to a pc, but short story. Yes I think he is scum

WTF is that and what is it supposed to mean?

[Robbnva]

##Vote Robbnva

for not knowing Psyduck. C'mon man, you don't know what Pokémon are? /:|
...

##Unvote

dude I am in my 30s, if I knew every single pokemon I would be concerned about myself

I can name probably 5 and psyduck wasn't one of them

[Robbnva]

ok got to a pc real quick and started to read back, I actually am not as sure about shotty being scum anymore.

[Robbnva]

ok got to a pc real quick and started to read back, I actually am not as sure about shotty being scum anymore.

Why not?

Because besides from the OMG YOU HAMMERED ME, I really haven't seen anything that scummy, maybe I'm missing sonething, but I just don't see it.

[Robbnva]

I will have to go read that post

what is up with the damn interogation anyway

you don't like my view on lynching a vt being "safe" fine, but that is how I was taught to play.

[Robbnva]

You are not willing to give him benefit of the doubt that he really misread it?

You have never misread anything in your whole life?

If that is really your only evidence for pushing a lynch, your case is weak

[Robbnva]

Wow, yet another game I am called dumb or vi, guess I need to change my play style

[Robbnva]

Or your IQ...

[Robbnva]

Wow, yet another game I am called dumb or vi, guess I need to change my play style

I like your play

Thank you?

[Robbnva]

It is interesting you mentioned Friend, I decided to go back and read some of his posts and I find this contradiction quite noteworthy

lynch all claimed VTs.

yet he later says

Robb is dumb but I'm getting town vibes IMO. Coming out and saying "lynching a VT is fine" doesn't feel scum-motivated to me, even though it's kinda stupid.

So Friend can say it is okay to lynch VTs, but me saying that it is okay to lynch a VT is stupid somehow, but because now I suggest lynching a VT, Friend has to make up the fact he is going to random.org and it just happened to land on me. How convenient

the chance you actually hit scum on day 1 is pure luck.

Alright. Let me go to random.org...oh!

unvote, vote: Robbnva

[Robbnva]

Maybe I missed it, what is the evidence you see that makes you think he is scum?

[Robbnva]

Oh wait, Jack and abba convinced you, so I should direct my question to the people who lead and not a follower;)

[Robbnva]

Ok, you say yabba convinced you, yet I don't see a single post from him that posts anything close to relevant about lynching shotty, so he convinced you how?

Also are you always so easily convinced or do you formulate your own opinions?

From what I can tell, the entire case vs shotty is basically off "assumptions" of what the mafia role pm does or doesn't say and shotty "misreading" what Jack posted

Jack is either right and he is scum or he is wrong and we have lynched a VT

we all keep talking about a quick lynch being better for town, yet I get criticized for voting for him and agreeing we need a quick lynch, people making me second guess myself and throwing out FOS's my way

I think we should just stick with this lynch cause we will learn so much from it

[Robbnva]

so because he said "bah I got hammered" he is automatically scum?

[Robbnva]

replaaaaaacements, say something!

+1

[Robbnva]

damn i forgot I unvoted him

##vote drmy

[Robbnva]

wow screw you guys for not even letting me talk

[Robbnva]

and just want to say regardless of what I am in this game, the smart play policy for mafia is lynch a nilla claim day 1 because it is better than outing a power role, regardless if you are townie or scum

[Robbnva]

GO MAFIA, I took one for the team

[Robbnva]

also fwiw, me confirming in the thread was how I said it. I thought that was the norm on this site, my role pm did not say I had to, it said to confirm by PM

and I stand by my statement that if you run up a lynch on day 1 and it turns out VT, you take one for the team and lynch them instead of risking getting a power role outed.

i will never waiver from this cause it is how I was taught and some of the best mafia players I know all agree it is the way to go day 1

[Robbnva]

btw in my honest opinion, town listening to Jack is the reason why you lost, he was such a loose cannon in this game, he basically pushed every lynch. such a shame he was just a nilla townie and not a traitor, thanks for the win Jack

[Robbnva]

I'm like brett favre robbn, a gunslinger, you can't play mafia well unless you're just havin fun out there.

Have you decided if you're going to return to Mafiascum.net for another season?

It's actually the perfect analogy. Jack played just like farve did in that final playoff game last season, horrible and lost the game for his team

[Robbnva]

I don't see why 24 hour deadline isn't used in general
48 if it falls on a weekend

[Robbnva]

Too quick by MS standards.

Yeah I know, ms is a snail compared to what I'm used to

[Robbnva]

Although this is the fastest game I have ever played

if only I read my role pm closely, I would not have confirmed in the thread and would have been off jack's radar

[Robbnva]

Nope Not yet

Mafia > real life

[Robbnva]

Get an avatar.

Out of curiosity, Robbnva, did you ever check the QuickTopic again after you posted your question in there? One reason I bussed you was I became a little worried that you forgot.

yabbaguy, I saw your blurb in the yGDB. Harsh words.

I've considered using a hybrid instant/normal night where people can submit actions beforehand as in instant night, but there is a night that lasts 24 hours in which actions can be changed.

+1

I checked it but don't even remember what you had said

I had submitted my actions when it was clear I was the only one active

I don't mind being bussed, Im fine taking one for the team