Open 238: Trendy and Subversive Game Over
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Tazaro Selfie
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EBWOP: But it doesn't start today strictly reading his sig, but still, who knows?ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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ODDin Mafia Scum
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Can someone summarize the case on TJ for me? I don't really see all of the scumminess that other people seem to be seeing, and right now I'd much rather go with an ODDin lynch (since it looks like I won't get my Sawyer lynch).
Deadline is closing in, so in the interest of providing viable options for the town I will
UNVOTE: Sawyer
VOTE: ODDinSome men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Tazaro Selfie
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I refuse to vote ODDin. Here's why I voted for TeeJay at first, and then decided to revote. This is the scummiest part of the game, what TeeJay did to podium, which was picking his body like a vulture:Tazaro wrote:VOTE: TeeJay, because of this:
You seemed over-eager to jump on podium because of his reaction to millar-the-game killer.TeeJay wrote:Millar thinks that "'generally' only scum dispute something that much". What do I think of that? I wouldn't say that it's a scum tell, but that's just me. The fact that he voted because of it doesn't send any flags up due to the facts that a) that is the only vote against you, and b) It's early in the game.
What I will make note of is this:
1.) You have immediately gotten defensive after one vote was cast your way. At the very least that your antsy.
2.) On top of that, you had a text book example of an OMGUS vote toward millar.
3.) You attempt to draw attention away from yourself by asking my opinion of millar's actions.
I won't hold reason #3 against you too much because everyone does it. I will give you a piece of advice though, if I have an opinion worth speaking of, you won't need to ask what it is.
I am not one for keeping silent. There are cases in which I am still contemplating things and thus have not added input, but otherwise, you shouldn't have to ask.
So the sum of my post is this. You look scummy.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro Selfie
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post above this ^ If you see nothing that Oddin did that was scummier, vote TeeJay. Vote for who did the most scummy thingShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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I was looking looking back at the thread, and noticed a couple of things that I didn't see before.
How does this make any difference? I realize that sounding like and being a contradiction are different things, but Sawyer was definitely trying to say that itpodium wrote:That's kind of a weak post/vote, man. First of all... sawyer said itsoundedlike a contradiction... and i agree.wasa contradiction. The only way for him to say "it sounds like a contradiction" without implying that it is in fact a contradiction would be for him to say something along the lines of "it sounds like a contradiction, but upon closer inspection..." etc., which he didn't do.
Also, in Sawyer's post 194, he sets up a very good straw man.
he takes this quote:
and makes this conclusion.TJ wrote:I didn't need to think about it due to others opinions. I wanted to wait, and thought that in the mean time, it would be great to hear from the rest of the players.
to recap, TJ said that he wanted to wait(to think about it), and as a bonus it would give others a chance to chime in. Then, Sawyer interprets TJ's statement as saying that he wanted to wait for others to speak, and as a bonus it would give him a chance to think.Sawyer wrote:you just wanted to hear other opinions, but that's not related to you needing to think about it.
It's a subtle difference, but Sawyer uses it as a basis to leave out parts of TJ's posts and construct a contradiction that wasn't there to begin with.Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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The only people I won't vote for are Oddin and podium.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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podium123456 Mafia Scum
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I don't see anything in that post worth voting for TJ, Taz. He points out podium's reaction to millar's vote, and says that he finds it scummy. That's it. What about that post seemed overeager to you?Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Maybe podium can clarify how he felt, but I felt it was an all too sudden attack on podium.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro Selfie
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Until podium may confirm or deny how he felt about the attack's abruptness:
Unvote
I feel a duty to vote SOMEONE.
Vote: SawyerShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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What does podium's opinion have to do with your vote?Taz wrote:Maybe podium can clarify how he felt, but I felt it was an all too sudden attack on podium.Yousaid thatyouthought it was an overeager attack, and I want to know why it seemed that way toyou.Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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To me, it was a pretty sudden attack.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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I just don't know who to vote for.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro Selfie
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Yes, overeager because of its suddeness.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro Selfie
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@MOD: I think I'm in a few too many games and cannot connect. Please replace meShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
"A little bit of yourself goes a long way"
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Tazaro Selfie
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@gonnano, do you think I should be replaced if I'm not enjoying myself? I think so, I'm not enjoying this game.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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Tazaro Selfie
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I hope no one minds; I am in like six games.ShowMaybe Subservience to Protocol isn't tantamount to Solution to Problem ...
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I'm not really concerned about whether it was actually a contradiction or not, even though personally I would say not. Mainly my point is that Sawyer tried to use it as an example of scumminess, and used a misrep to help his accusation. I quoted you because you did what Sawyer did not do, which was to acknowledge the fact that it is not a proven, 100% guaranteed contradiction.podium wrote:It does sound like a contradiction. But
Preview Edit: Wow. If this weren't an open setup I would swear that we had a role whose win condition somehow includes replacing out.Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Soo... I'm thinking Vanilla Townie for the millar/Taz role. I find it unlikely that two different people would replace out of a mafia or power role without at least waiting for the first Night.Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Sawyer said it sounded like a contradiction.gonnano wrote:
I'm not really concerned about whether it was actually a contradiction or not, even though personally I would say not. Mainly my point is that Sawyer tried to use it as an example of scumminess, and used a misrep to help his accusation. I quoted you because you did what Sawyer did not do, which was to acknowledge the fact that it is not a proven, 100% guaranteed contradiction.podium wrote:It does sound like a contradiction. But
In your vote-post, you said you saw absolutely no contradiction.
I criticized your vote-post as being weak... because (in addition to the other point) saying there was 'absolutely no' contradiction, was about as accurate as sawyer saying there 'absolutely was' a contradiction (which he hadn't at that point). That is why i said your vote-post was weak.-
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At the time that I said that there was absolutely no contradiction, the two statements that I had seen from TJ were that he felt that he needed to at least think about it before hammering, and that he wanted to wait for others to post. These two items are not mutually exclusive, so there was absolutely no contradiction present. Later, TJ went back and got very specific and started making a lot less sense.Some men are born mediocre, some achieve mediocrity, and some have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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