gonnano wrote:
Your response to millar DID seem excessive to me (which is why I considered TeeJay's point a valid one) , because you became very defensive and tried to shift the blame to me. I'm not denying that I was at fault, but it seems like someone who is trying to look for scum would have said something like "What is your opinion of the part that gonnano played in the situation that you voted me for?", whereas your post came off as "Nononono get your vote off me and put it on gonnano, he did it!"
TeeJay made what seemed to me to be a valid point, and your response came off as trying too hard to make it seem invalid.
Okay, there is a
lot
going on here. This will involve several people, and cases they have made against me. I want to give some insight into my mindset as all of this quickly unfolded, as well as to make some sense of the utter confusion as unrelated points started to become intertwined.
It's long.
Regarding my response to millar:
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For the first part, there was no need for me to ask him what his opinion was on who 'broke the game'... as it was undisputed (as you agree). So, I educated him on the facts. The reason i tried to shift the blame, is because you
were
the blame. You know? Getting him to seriously consider lynching you because he 'broke the game' wasn't even on my radar... because i felt it was a ridiculous reason. If you believe that i was trying to get him to vote you, then i can see how my reaction might look scummy... but i was just informing him where the blame lied. Note that oddin also mentioned/agreed that this point couldnt be a scum-tell in
this post.
The second part is what i took seriously... when he said that i excessively disputed you, and was therefore, scum. I told him that you had accused me of being scum, and that i had made one response to that. Then i made an AtE comment, that is consistent with my past play. When people say that i overreacted to millar, i only contemplate it regarding this point... as the first issue i regard as just a dumb issue.
So when i look at that, i see my statement of the facts, and an AtE (but really, isn't it better described as a sarcastic comment?). Now, is that an overreaction? So much so that it is scummy? In my opinion, it is nothing unusual. If you are considering the first part of my response to be an overreaction, then i ask you to think about how i was approaching it at the time, as i wrote above.
Then comes the overly defensive part. As i have pointed out, it was a serious accusation and a VOTE. Overly defensive, and overreacting are pretty much in the same vein, so what i wrote above would apply.
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And in the first of several intertwined/confusing, and borderline contradictory developments (from my POV)... my harshest critic (Oddin) later says that what you and teejay considered to be an over-reaction,
he
found understandable.
Link.
A little confusing (dare i say contradictory), considering that some of the elements of my response to millar were
prettyy
damn close to things he later criticized... along with a VOTE. But... you know... i have a feeling that any inconsistency here will be sidestepped under the umbrella of 'subjectivity'.
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Now...
When teejay comes into the picture, it gets into the argument that he and i had. He said that i was too QUICK to become defensive, and this becomes a
separate
scumtrait, while the issue of overreacting still remains.
I ask him (with a fairly low key
post) why it matters that i am defensive on page 2... as a serious vote/accusation had occurred. There is some sarcasm in my post... but remember, he had just made an accusatory comment to me. Is my sarcasm enough so that it makes it unusually scummy? Oddin feels this is part of an overall overreaction... although it is the FIRST time i have responded to this new accusation.
teejay returns to say that he doesn't believe that anything serious happened. now there are THREE separate issues at hand, all in the blink of an eye. Can you see why i might start to get flustered at this point? Not only do i have gonnano's vote/accusation, and millars vote/accusation... but i have THREE additional accusations concerning my response to millar. sawyer later mentions this third reason as he places a vote on me.
I respond with
this post. Yes, there is some sarcasm... but i felt i pretty clearly explained how his latest accusation wasn't correct. because it's a pretty straight forward thing, right? If you take out my comment about his cheesy line (which it was
) the
only
additional un-neccessary input is "What??". Oddin feels that my response is part of an overall overreaction... although it is the FIRST time i have responded to this new accusation.
Think about what all is going on now. Are you ready?
Gonnano has a vote/accusation on me. Millar thinks that my response to gonnano is scummy and votes me. Gonnano and teejay think that my response to millar is an overreaction, while oddin feels it is justified. Teejay introduces a new accusation regarding my millar vote, that oddin feels isn't valid. When i attempt to resolve that accusation (with a post oddin considers an overreaction) teejay misses the point and introduces ANOTHER accusation regarding my millar vote. oddin also feels that point isn't valid (but sawyer does), and considers my attempt to resolve it an overreaction.
ayiyiyiyi
Im tired of typing today. I am stopping here. What follows is a jumbled up mess of accusations and defenses (served with heavy sarcasm) all centered on me while i try to keep my sanity as the S really hit the fan.
Is this helping any? Do you guys want me to continue the activity flow tomorrow?
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The way i see it is that there are two aspects to my 'issue' right now. My behavior/reactions through the chain reaction posts that exploded, and the comparison of my behavior in a completed townie game to this one.
Oddin feels that i am exhibiting different gamestyles between the two game, and that i am scum here... this is false, and i have started breaking down that case in a substantive manner (imo). Work in progress.
Then we are left with my behaviors/reactions to everything that occurred recently. Work in progress, but i will do my best to explain/make sense. I hope i have conveyed some of the stress i was being hit with all at once, and perhaps you can better understand the things i said/did... as well as compare it to my actions in the completed and linked townie game.
I understand i am the focus of attention right now. But, I would appreciate it if someone on my wagon would unvote, as i am afraid that scum is waiting to hammer me. There is plenty of time to go, and i think the truth will come out... both about me, and about others. Taking a vote off isn't necessarily going to prevent me from being lynched in the end... but it will prevent these valuable conversations from continuing.
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Pshhhh and just think... a few days ago people were complaining that there wasnt much to talk about.
DONKAY OUT