Post 1: randomvote
2: answered Uite’s questions
3: off-topic
4: Unvote; asks mallow about vote
5: says we’re all twitchy
6: says he hates Day 1; ask about NL
7: says he has no suspicions and that he’s not good at spotting scum
8: Says DP seems scummy, votes DP
9: says vote stands after AGar’s statistics
10: apologizes for lurking
11: answers DP’s questions, responds to Uite and I; makes short mini-analysis
12: asks if DP’s claim is hypothetical
13: says he would hammer due to flaming from DP
14: says he’s leaving his vote on DP
15: responds to silver
16: not sure about DP’s alignment, still confused if he claimed; thinks mallow is scum
17: votes mallow
18: explains belief that DP and mallow are opposite alignments
19: says he’s not concerned about dRool’s alignment
20: says he may be misreading AGar
21: Provides defense against silver’s comment
22: off-topic
23: off-topic
24: says he has “nothing useful to contribute”
25: hi to Beefster
26: off-topic
27: off-topic
28: doesn’t appreciate baseless accusations
29: frustrated defense
30: says he was annoyed, not offended
31: off-topic
32: not going to play “word games” anymore
33: EBWOP
34: iso on mallow
35: posts suspicion list
36: says he can see the obvious scum
37: says he used to be suspicious of silver
38: off-topic
39: questions DP and AGar’s logic
40: iso thingy on DP
41: says he’s frustrated with people
42: off-topic
43: responds to NS
44: responds to Uite; seems frustrating his evidence isn’t being taken seriously
45: questions NS’ logic
46: FRUSTRATION!
47: claims VT
48: says top suspects are DP and I
49: off-topic
50: questions Beefster’s and NS’ whereabouts
51: Says AGar and DP are doing weird things if they’re scum
52: says he’s confident in who he’s voting for
53: votes DP
54: answers DP’s questions; suspects are NS and I
55: explains lurking & vote on DP
56: complains about DP
57: responds to DP’s post on him, quite thoroughly
58: responds to Thor
59: states that his idea of defense is attacking his attacker
60: confused about AGar’s plan
61: says he’s seeing a lot of fence-sitting
62: includes me in the fence-sitting list
63: says top suspects are me, NS, and AGar
64: off-topic
65: WTF on DP’s VT flip. (toooooo many acronyms)
66: states top two suspects
67: explains/clarifies suspicions
68: responds to NS’ iso on him
69: says why he was tunneling
70: says he didn’t expect an in-depth analysis from me
71: confirms my answer to a question about him
72: short iso on me
73: says he’s done
74: votes me; says everyone has understandably solid cases on him
Uhhhh… dude, it’s a game, and pretty close to the beginning of one. Chill. This feels like false bravado; trying too hard to be a part of town. Maybe scum trying too hard, maybe newb not sure what’s acceptable, maybe some of both.Wraith wrote: 3. I'm not giving advice to you if you're a scum player.
This statement sends up red flags. It’s strange to me that he’s more accepting of DP after others start defending him. Perhaps he’s realizing that DP isn’t going to get lynched today after all, and he’d best follow suit?Wraith wrote: @DP: I'm not sure at this point now, since you actually seem civil now. Now that the others are putting up defending arguments for you, mallow is looking a lot more scummy than you did earlier.
Wraith wrote: I have nothing useful to contribute at the moment, just maintaining my vote against mallow. I think Uite and NS make sound cases against him and further justify my suspicions.
I can definitely understand this post; I just think he was perhaps a bit up-front about saying he had nothing to contribute. There are less dangerous ways of doing so. This comes across as mostly bad play.
Wraith wrote: I don't appreciate your baseless accusations. Luckily for you, mallow being scummier at the moment overtakes priority from an OMGUS vote.
Wraith wrote: @silver: Why wouldn't it? Would YOU appreciate being accused of being scum?
@Beefster: If I wasn't already voting for a scummier player I'd probably vote for DP, not only because he also seems scummy to me but also because he's accusing me of scum, probably in retaliation for voting for him earlier in the day.
Ah. Here is where all the lights and buzzers start going in my head. As to the first quote in this chunk, he openly admits he would OMGUS DP. I don’t know why anyone would OMGUS someone on purpose (outside of RVS), much less admit that it’s an OMGUS. In quote #2, he answers a question with a question, reacts very defensively, and accuses DP of an OMGUS FoS, immediately after stating his willingness to OMGUS vote him. In the last quote, he denies being offended, and repeats that he thinks DP is using OMGUS. This whole chunk is yelling scum at me.Wraith wrote: I'm not offended, I'd call it annoyed. Like I said, I think he's just trying to get back at me for voting for him earlier.
As to his iso on mallow (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p2313847):
Throughout this post, he never once so much as attempts to be balanced; rather, he points out the most negative things he can, up to and including ones he’s very clearly stretched. He does make good points in this iso; however, there are some definite weak spots. For example:
How does this make him a hypocrite, exactly?Wraith wrote: At Post 41, he becomes a hypocrite by accusing DP of baseless accusations while accusing DP of scumminess for "making pointless statements"
These are, in fact, not the only possibilities. Even with the assumption that mallow was scum, the (accurate) possibility that it was his newb-ness combined with bad luck was totally ignored.Wraith wrote: Now, with him and quadz, we have two possibilities:
1. He and quadz are the scumteam
2. He is buddying up to quadz
After this, he makes some solid points about bandwagons and mallow’s seeming urgency to lynch DP.
This entire paragraph is Wraith stretching things. It’s not strange at all for someone to FoS someone and keep looking for the lynch elsewhere, especially after an explanation for removing his vote. And the “first lynch” bit is clearly him tugging at threads that aren’t there.Wraith wrote: His logic is totally contradictory (FoSing DP while "looking elsewhere" for the lynch) and I believe he is trying to distance himself from a sinking ship (the BW against DP). His wording also set off alarms: "for my first lynch." He obviously wants one of his BWs to be the lynch.
A few more decent points are made (considering Wraith’s understanding of “ucc-ed”.)
And here, Wraith attacks a perfectly logical conclusion by mallow. He’s continuing to force things.Wraith wrote: Here mallow seems pretty confident that DP will live if there is a roleblocker. Have he and his scumpartner already strategized for the night phase?
There are a few more ok points at the end as well. I would like to point out his consistent use of words such as obvious, (searches through post) ok, he really likes the word obvious, I guess. I think that’s some pretty strong wording, for a point where we didn’t have ANY concrete info yet…
As I’ve stated before, I find this highly suspect. Defense does not equal offense.Wraith wrote: David, you seem to be unable to comprehend of idea of "defense." You are attacking me, therefore I am attacking you back. As you have constantly, you are claiming my scumhunting make me scum, along with every other action I take. As for your questions, you continue to fail to respond to any of my counterpoints I make and therefore I will not answer your questions.
This is his short iso on me:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p2333825
I already explained my concerns with this post, in the post immediately following it.
This concerns me because he’s not defensive ENOUGH. I know, I know, that seems backwards; however, one would imagine a townie would fight for his life (literally) in this situation. He’s resigning himself to the gallows, which if he were a townie, would mean losing. It’s possible he’s given up, but I rather doubt it. He’s not fighting for the town.Wraith wrote: Well, you all have solid cases on me. But that's to be expected, because after DP I've played the scummiest game. I don't know about you all, but I'm gonna go with my gut and lynch the most blatant scum.
Vote: quadz08
After this 5-page iso, as well as a read-through of NS and AGar’s posts, I believe I have reached a verdict. If Wraith isn’t scum, I will be shocked. He's used questionable strategy, hypocrisy, and did some serious stretching to find "scummy" behavior. All in all, he's the scummiest of the 4 that are left.
With that in mind:
VOTE: Wraith
And now, we wait.