Scummers Mafia: Greatest Bash? (Game Over, Scum wins?)

[ortolan]

vote Zazier please

his reaction to me asking for a claim is v. scummy so I'm even more sure he's scum

Orto is scum, so I can see why he wants me to claim. What's your reason?

Scum (in a large game) asking for a claim day one really doesn't make any sense from almost any perspective.

REMINDER: Manho is sooooooo Orto's partner.

Where did you get this from, lol?

Zazier and Monkey ftl (for the lynch)

[ortolan]

hasdgfas could well be scum, his posts have largely ignored the most interesting parts of the game

[Papa Zito]

Starbuck, why would you give me your vote? I mean it's fun getting to be a POWERFUL WIZARD for a day but I'm not sure I get the point.


Durp. I'm blind.

vote Zazier please

Ok.

Orto is scum, so I can see why he wants me to claim. What's your reason?

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take an eternity.

unvote:
vote: Zazier

[ZazieR]

Orto, I have no intention of claiming. Please state your reason for wanting one.
Also, the part about the Ocarina of Time wasn't aimed at you, but at Phoenix.

But Orto, thanks for helping me find the answer to the thing I wanted to know. You can die now.

FoS: zazie

, it would be a vote if i didn't have the gut investigation result on monkey.

you should claim.

Why?
Orto is scum, so I can see why he wants me to claim. What's your reason?

REMINDER: Manho is sooooooo Orto's partner.

if you are town, you should consider the town vs town situation first. calling a soft-claimed person scum is anti-town. so, are you sure it is not a town vs town situation?

If you're saying that I should consider the discussion between me and Orto as possibly town VS town, then you can stop suggesting this now.
Orto was for me almost certainly scum when the day started. With the posts he has posted so far, this has only been reinforced.

Orto, please tell why my reactions are scummy. Because with only 3 players so far who want to hear me claim, I'm not going to. It seems that you want to claim that you have some information on me.
1. I'm positive that the one you want to state is going to be false.
2. You're scum.


Why Manho is your scum partner?
-Stalling in favor of you.
-Giving himself the possibility of backtracking regarding Monkey.
-Believing that you have information on me that condemns me as scum, yet not asking what, believing you as well, but not voting me.

the first and the third reasons condemns him as your scumpartner as me getting killed will result in your death too.
Two is usefull if he's scum and thinks MM is town.


Papa Z, check my posts again and you'll see that DGB's quote can't be used against me.


If the majority wants me to claim, I'll do so. But I'm not gonna help scum-Orto without any good reason.

[Papa Zito]

Just read you in iso and don't see it. Sorry Zazie.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas could well be scum, his posts have largely ignored the most interesting parts of the game

haha. Mind elaborating? I have no idea what I've been "ignoring".

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

He's playing both sides of Spyre, calling him suspicious, but not overly suspicious, so he can either jump on the wagon or stay off, depending on how the town goes. He didn't defend his FoS in a way that made sense; he's calling the wagon on him baseless when it's obviously not. And post 80.

This is a false dilemma here. You're acting like people act in only two degrees, scummy or town. This is obviously not the case. There are different degrees of scumminess, and if something doesn't rise to a significant degree, there's nothing anti-town about using an FOS rather than a vote to show your opinion.

sure, but why not vote in your first post? In addition, why be so wishy-washy on him?
I'm well aware that the act of FoSing isn't necessarily anti-town, but it was the way you did it. You're strawmanning.

[Zang]

I don't know DeathNote well. Could a mafia role fit him too?

Possibly, but not as well as miller.
DeathNote is a guy who sigged that he was always an easy lynch and is really self-defeatist all the time. Miller just suits DeathNote so perfectly that I can't imagine him being a scum role.

Anybody with knowledge of Deathnote can link him to being a miller. It could still be a fake claim.

Orto is scum

Why is he scum? I looked back at your ISO and you have provided little reasoning for him being scum.

[Zang]

Also

Unvote

since RVS is over.

[MonkeyMan576]

hasdgfas could well be scum, his posts have largely ignored the most interesting parts of the game

haha. Mind elaborating? I have no idea what I've been "ignoring".

also @Star: I find it very hard to believe that you don't get the case on Monkey. Could you read over his posts again? It's rather obvious.

I asked the question after re-reading over the 4 or so pages we had in the game at that point, and I still don't understand it, which is why I asked.

He's playing both sides of Spyre, calling him suspicious, but not overly suspicious, so he can either jump on the wagon or stay off, depending on how the town goes. He didn't defend his FoS in a way that made sense; he's calling the wagon on him baseless when it's obviously not. And post 80.

This is a false dilemma here. You're acting like people act in only two degrees, scummy or town. This is obviously not the case. There are different degrees of scumminess, and if something doesn't rise to a significant degree, there's nothing anti-town about using an FOS rather than a vote to show your opinion.

sure, but why not vote in your first post? In addition, why be so wishy-washy on him?
I'm well aware that the act of FoSing isn't necessarily anti-town, but it was the way you did it. You're strawmanning.

No, I'm not. I FoS'd because I thought he was suspicious, not scummy. I'm not obligated to participate in the RVS, if I see something that warrants bypassing it. Believe it or not, RVS is not practiced in every mafia site on the internet, and is not uniformally considered necessary.

[nhammen]

Monkey is either obvscum or VI, and it's just too scummy to be VI-esque, IMO.

unvote vote: Monkey

let's not lynch spyre today, and just try to read his play.

I've played with Monkey before. I saw his name on the list, and I remembered his VI-worthy play in Day Night Mafia. Hey! AT least he's not as bad as DeathNote!

Just to remind you Zazie, we are waiting for you to claim, under penalty of death.

Wait What?

I'm more or less a stump now.

Can you alter who's vote you follow at some point? Or are you only useful in giving power to PZ? If you don't want to answer, don't.

Orto, I have no intention of claiming. Please state your reason for wanting one.
Also, the part about the Ocarina of Time wasn't aimed at you, but at Phoenix.

But Orto, thanks for helping me find the answer to the thing I wanted to know. You can die now.

FoS: zazie

, it would be a vote if i didn't have the gut investigation result on monkey.

you should claim.

... what.

manho, please tell me you aren't another VI...

Orto, I swear that you and I have been in a game together with manho.

Why do you think that he's an alt?

what game? I couldn't exclude the possibility to be honest, I don't recall every player I've ever played with.

I have good reason to ask Zazie to claim, let's put some pressure on him to claim now shall we? Asking me for a reason is unnecessary and potentially scummy.

I see...

vote Zazie

ort. You realize that if this amounts to nothing, well, you know.
Either way, you are implying that both you and Zazie are non-vanilla. So, if you are town, you potentially outted 2 PRs. So you better be really confident about this.

[dramonic]

Votecount 3: I should do more of those...

The Mask (2): kunkstar, Ani,
SpyreX (1): Diacria
ZazieR (4): Ortolan, Papa Zito, Nhammen
Cow (1): Monkeyman
Diacria (1): SpyreX
Ortolan (2): ZazieR, Niv
Monkeyman (3): Cow, Manho, Cuttlefish
Papa Zito (1): Starbuck, The Mask

Not Voting (3): Pomegranate, RisingPheonix, Zang

RisingPheonix is prodded!

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch!

[Zang]

Unvote

[MonkeyMan576]

If ortolan says he has "good reason" to ask zazie for a claim, then I'll believe him at this point. Of course, if it turns out to be bogus, he's scum on my list.

Unvote:
Vote: Zazie

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: Zazier

I think I see where this is going and I approve.

HOWEVER, 137 again deserves to be noted for "bullets go here"

[animorpherv1]

unvote, vote Zazie

Sure, if town wants help, I'll give help.

[Papa Zito]

Unvote

Cool story bro.

What do you think of this ortolan business then?

[SpyreX]

Ani might also need bullets.

I'm stuck in a scum sandwich!

[hasdgfas]

If ortolan says he has "good reason" to ask zazie for a claim, then I'll believe him at this point. Of course, if it turns out to be bogus, he's scum on my list.

This is absurd. This is the exact same thing you did with Spyre, playing both sides. This is where my vote stays

No, I'm not. I FoS'd because I thought he was suspicious, not scummy. I'm not obligated to participate in the RVS, if I see something that warrants bypassing it. Believe it or not, RVS is not practiced in every mafia site on the internet, and is not uniformally considered necessary.

Yet another strawman, my word. I did not say anything about RVS. I said you have nothing to lose by voting him there, in your first post, when you hadn't said anything else.

Nothing

about RVS.

If ortolan says he has "good reason" to ask zazie for a claim, then I'll believe him at this point. Of course, if it turns out to be bogus, he's scum on my list.

This is absurd. This is the exact same thing you did with Spyre, playing both sides. This is where my vote stays

ani's post 139 almost makes me want to vote him though, it's incredibly awful in terms of endearing himself to the town.

I

think

I see what ort's cooking up. Going to take a look at the ort-zazie interactions to check again.

[MonkeyMan576]

If ortolan says he has "good reason" to ask zazie for a claim, then I'll believe him at this point. Of course, if it turns out to be bogus, he's scum on my list.

This is absurd. This is the exact same thing you did with Spyre, playing both sides. This is where my vote stays

I'm not playing both sides. I'm thinking ahead. There's a difference.

[SpyreX]

Paranoia theory: Ort and Zaz are town and thats why monkey has to "think ahead".

[Diacria]

*makes exception for Spy because it's Spy*
...Also because I think he's town now.

Unvote, Vote Monkey

Don't get what's going on with the whole Orto to Zazie claim thing. He's still prob town so no objections to whatever he's doing. Pseudo vote on claim wagon etc.etc. Also get weird feelings from nhammen.

[manho]

unvote, vote: zazie

that's L-2.

[manho]

@orto, check my wiki and you will find me not an alt.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, why would you give me your vote? I mean it's fun getting to be a POWERFUL WIZARD for a day but I'm not sure I get the point.

I'll come clean and claim and maybe it will be understood better.


I am KMD4390, an compulsive avatar gambler but since I couldn't bet my avatar, my role is Vote Gambler.

My ability is since I always lose when I gamble, I had to give someone my vote (or it would have been given out randomly), hence leaving me without one. This is supposed to reset every night.


I looked at the list of players and decided to give it to PZ.



Unfortunately, after I gave PZ my vote, I received a notification that my mind was shattered and that I lost my ability. I am now a Compulsive Vanilla Townie, but I'll still turn up as the Vote Gambler.



So pretty much some asshole just made me a VT and now this game is going to suck for me, because I always draw VT roles of some kind in any big game and it makes it boring as all hell.



If you can't tell, I'm a bit bitter.

[SpyreX]

....

So, are you permanently stumped?

*sigh* Regardless I think this is a town move but I'm real sad at how much you elaborated (a vote manipulator would have been a nice nk draw)