Pick Your Power III: A Brave New World

[Zang]

Yes!

[Zang]

First post.

??? That's not the first post

[Zang]

And while I'm at it...

vote: Socrates

for not being able to spell my smegging name right.

What's the point of RVS if we already have ideas on who is scum and got discussion started in the sign up thread.

[Zang]

Looking at the draft order...

vote: manho

Why manho?

[Zang]

Looking at the draft order...

vote: manho

Why manho?

Why do you care?
Note: Zang is manho's scumbuddy

You said that you voted manho after looking at the draft. I assumed it had to do with the draft. He choose 1,1 but SerialClergyman also choose 1,1 so I was wondering why you picked manho out of the two.

[Zang]

I still don't even know how to use it, really.

(# of dice rolled)d(# of sides on dice)

[Zang]

Well, I think it's safe to assume that the selves be in or past the bunch of 9s. So, lets lynch our way from #1 down. I'd also support a reverse massclaim (from bottom to top) now rather than later.

A reverse massclaim sounds good

[Zang]

What does RL wagon mean?

RL means Real Life (I think)

[Zang]

What does RL wagon mean?

RL means Real Life (I think)

Wow, if you weren't scum, you'd be funny
Random Lynch

[Zang]

Actually, I don't know where I got real Life from.

[Zang]

So I'm supposed to claim?

[Zang]

Nevermind, I saw fates last post.

[Zang]

Faraday is town.
Parama is town.
CryMeARiver is town.
Budja is town-ish.
mb53 is town.
SerialClergyman is town.
Pomegranate is town.
SAMP is town.

PranaDevil is neutral.
Sando is weird.

manho is scum.
Fate is weird. Scummy weird.
sorasgoof is scum.
Porkens is scum.
Hoopla is scum.

You forgot somebody

[Zang]

What the hell is hoopla doing?

[Zang]

##Vote: Hoopla

I would like a real explaination soon.

[Zang]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 3 - Budja, mb53, Ellibereth - (L-9)

Manho

- 2 - Parama, PranaDevil - (L-10)

Pomegranate

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Manho - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, DrippingGoofball, Pomegranate, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zang, Zoiaum

Roles Town Would Take With High Draft Pick

Cop
Doctor
Watcher
Tracker
Universal Backup
Gunsmith
Bomb

Roles Scum Would Take With High Draft Pick

Janitor
Redirector
Role Cop
Even Night Vig
Odd Day Vig

I'm just saddened that no one reacted to this

You didnt count all the roles

[Zang]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Dramonic

- 2 - mb53, Ellibereth - (L-10)

Hoopla

- 1 - Zang - (L-11)

Manho

- 3 - PranaDevil, Pomegranate, Parama - (L-9)

PranaDevil

- 3 - Dramonic, Socrates, Faraday - (L-9)

SerialClergyman

- 1 - Hoopla - (L-11)

sorasgoof

- 4 - CryMeARiver, Fate, Super Awesome Mega Pimp!, Porkens - (L-8)

Players not voting: 12keyblade, Budja, DrippingGoofball, Manho, Sando, SerialClergyman, sorasgoof, Zoiaum

I sniffed Zang and I'm not getting that fresh townie smell.

Are you sure there's nothing wrong with your nose?

[Zang]

Are you going to keep posting pointless filler?

Well, I don't really see anything going on. I see pointless wagons. The only real discussion that has happened is If we should massclaim.

[Zang]

You've either never played with Zang before, or are scum picking on an easy target.

Or IMO: both.

she's never played a game with me before.

[Zang]

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

I agree, I think it would be best for us to claim day 1 or as soon as possible.

[Zang]

Ok, this seems way too obvious not to have been thought of, but after the signup thread, I'm no longer convinced that everyone would be able to tie their own shoe-laces...

How on earth does claiming on D2 compared to D1 change things for vig? How are they less locked in after having had 1 night to kill?

Basically, a D1 massclaim doesn't really seem to gain us anything over a D2, and gives scum an extra night to plan and kill the PRs.

I agree, I think it would be best for us to claim day 1 or as soon as possible.

...I'm advocating the opposite of that

I missread I thought you said that not claiming gives scum more time to plan.

[Zang]

^^^ See DGB. He's town.

I can't tell, is this sarcastic or serious?

[Zang]

Nevermind

[Zang]

mb, change your goddamn avatar. That's not funny.

I think it's cool

[Zang]

the "massclaiming now?" vote count

aye

(4): manho, Fate, Porkens, dramonic

nay

(1): Hoopla

aye needed to massclaim today: 12
nay needed to massclaim later: 11

i've changed the "nay" color to brown, as i think red is the mod's color.

Aye

[Zang]

the "massclaiming now?" vote count

aye

(4): manho, Fate, Porkens, dramonic

nay

(1): Hoopla

aye needed to massclaim today: 12
nay needed to massclaim later: 11

i've changed the "nay" color to brown, as i think red is the mod's color.

shouldn't it be 12 massclaim today and 12 to massclaim later?

[Zang]

the "massclaiming now?" vote count

aye

(4): manho, Fate, Porkens, dramonic

nay

(1): Hoopla

aye needed to massclaim today: 12
nay needed to massclaim later: 11

i've changed the "nay" color to brown, as i think red is the mod's color.

shouldn't it be 12 massclaim today and 12 to massclaim later?

We only have 22 players... I really don't mind either way, but I'll go ahead and vote aye.

It should still be 12 though so it's even.

[Zang]

##Unvote

[n]##Vote: sorasgoof[/b]

don't have to talk now

[Zang]

##Unvote

##Vote: sorasgoof

don't have to talk now

I meant that I didn't have time to talk then.

You might want to look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

Soras-404 doesn't look like sarcasm to me. It looks like frustrated scum who lost his temper.

And being #1 on the draft doesnt make you scum, but i would think that it is more likely.

[Zang]

##Unvote

##Vote: sorasgoof

don't have to talk now

I meant that I didn't have time to talk then.

You might want to look up "sarcasm" in the dictionary.

Soras-404 doesn't look like sarcasm to me. It looks like frustrated scum who lost his temper.

And being #1 on the draft doesnt make you scum, but i would think that it is more likely.

what?
That is hilarious Someone did not pass their statistics class.

[Zang]

I put it inside the quotes

I said "What?"

[Zang]

Does it make sense to you if we switch it up a little? --"Scum is more likely to have gotten the number 1 draft pick"

This is what I meant

[Zang]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 12

Dramonic

- 1 - Ellibereth - (L-11)

Fate

- 1 - Sando - (L-11)

Hoopla

- 2 - DrippingGoofball, Socrates - (L-10)

manho

- 1 - Pomegranate - (L-11)

mb53

- 1 - CryMeARiver - (L-11)

Pomegranate

- 4 - SerialClergyman, Porkens, Hoopla, Faraday - (L-8)

sorasgoof

- 6 - Dramonic, PranaDevil, Zang, Fate, Parama, Super Awesome Mega Pimp! - (L-6)

Players not voting:12keyblade, Budja, manho, mb53, sorasgoof, Zoiaum

Not really, they're only more likely to get the #1 pick out of all the scum, they still have zero knowledge on the town's numbers (except for those who rolled in the sign up thread). They're all just as likely to find themselves either beaten by a lucky town player, or lodged alongside a town player (or a pair, or a trio) who picked the same first number as them.

No matter how you talk it, that is just as likely whether they are scum or not,

the only thing we know scum could co-ordinate is whether they had the same numbers as another scum member.

Right, which means that each scum knew which 4 numbers not to pick. That's 4 less chances to get bumped to the back of the list than each town had.

Man, these laces are never going to get done up.

Yeah, scum have a better chance of noone else choosing their number. My napkin maths puts each scum at around 31% chance of that. Napkin maths puts Masons at ~25% and Town at ~23.5%. So yes, you're right, scum individually have better odds.

However, there's 3 times as many townies compared to scum... and then you've got masons on top of that...

The top spot is most likely to be a townie. But then I'm pretty sure every slot is most likely to be a townie.

PS, my napkin maths is (14/15)^(number people who could choose the same number). So it's:

Scum = (14/15)^17
Mason = (14/15)^20
Townie = (14/15)^21

This only works out the chance of noone else choosing your number though.

Ok, I never did the math. There are 5 scum and about 10 players that rolled their numbers or revealed their numbers. That let's scum know more than half the numbers so I assumed that scum would have a better chance of getting the #1 spot.

[Zang]

Zang you have it right on.

Now bold your vote for soras, it never counted.

##Vote: Sorasgoof

[Zang]

UGH

## VOTE: FREAKIN SORASGOOF

HAPPY?!?!?!?!

I don't think adding words (freakin) is good otherwise it dwouldmt need to be on it's own line.

[Zang]

no, because I'm not sure the parser can recognize Sorasgoof as freaking sorasgoof.

Repeat after me:

##vote: Sorasgoof

copy paste
##vote: Sorasgoof

bold?

[Zang]

no, because I'm not sure the parser can recognize Sorasgoof as freaking sorasgoof.

Repeat after me:

##vote: Sorasgoof

copy paste
##vote: Sorasgoof

One last time: and anyone who thinks I am doing this on purpose needs to go die

##vote: Sorasgoof

Congradulations!

[Zang]

Pom I swear to god if your vote isn't on soras by the next vote count I'll derail my own wagon and switch to you. And by that I mean it better already be on soras and I'm just too lazy to go back through the thread so I'll wait for the next VC to being my true rage against this scummy post.

Why don't you just vote for the real, actual scum? You're giving scum a chance???

## unvote vote Pomegranate

they're supposed to be two seperate lines.

[Zang]

I thought I was voting soras

Vote: SorasGoof

[Zang]

Let me try this again.

##Vote: SorasGoof

[Zang]

I think that's L-1

[Zang]

But it's something that's generally ignored that I think is stupid.
Don't wait until L-1 for a claim!

You hammered someone you didn't suspect of scum at all just to prove a point?

[Zang]

But it's something that's generally ignored that I think is stupid.
Don't wait until L-1 for a claim!

You hammered someone you didn't suspect of scum at all just to prove a point?

Yup.

well, I agree that you shouldn't wait til L-1 to claim, but I don't support your way of proving it.

[Zang]

I love this instantaenous night thing. I hate waiting 3 days for night to end.

[Zang]

Is porkens at L-1?

And I would still like to claim today.

[Zang]

The sites to slow and this threads to fast.

[Zang]

Wow, that was a fast day.

2,12 sorasgoof (Even-Night-Vig)
10,1 Pomegranate (Tracker)
11,7 Sando
12,3 Porkens (Odd-Night-Vig)
13,7 Dramonic
1,1 SerialClergyman (Watcher)
1,1 manho (Redirector)
3,6 Socrates
3,6 Zoiaum
5,4 Ellibereth
5,15 Drippinggoofball (Vanilla)
6,1 superawesomemegapimp (Vanilla for????)
6,2 Budja (Vanilla)
7,3 Fate
7,11 Parama (Vanilla Janitor)
4,5 PranaDevil
4,7 CryMeARiver (Vanilla Gunsmith)
4,8 12keyblade
9,2 Zang
9,4 Faraday
9,9 Hoopla
9,15 mb53 (Vanilla Backup)

LETS FILL THIS IN

So, can I claim now?

[Zang]

Why is Dramonic scum?

[Zang]

Sorry, I'll try to get more active.

[Zang]

Sorry, I'll try to get more active.

[Zang]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to Lynch : 8

Hoopla

- 2 -

DrippingGoofball

,

Socrates

- (L-6)

Players not voting - 12 - 12keyblade, CryMeARiver, Ellibereth, Faraday, Fate, Hoopla, mb53, Parama, Pomegranate, PranaDevil, Sando, Zang

I would like a massclaim

And also I don't really agree with DGB's case on hoopla. I can see both advantages and disadvantages of a massclaim and that being on either side is null. And why hoopla? He wasn't the only one against a massclaim.

[Zang]

I would like a massclaim

And also I don't really agree with DGB's case on hoopla. I can see both advantages and disadvantages of a massclaim and that being on either side is null. And why hoopla? He wasn't the only one against a massclaim.

You think my case is all about massclaims? Did you read it?

I did read it but massclaim is the only one I'm arguing about.

[Zang]

Keyblade is my pick for scum right now, so nya.

Why 12Keyblade?

[Zang]

I missed another lynch.

and

##Vote: Ellibereth

[Zang]

OH HELL

what?

[Zang]

Can you do that?

[Zang]

Isn't it twilight?

[Zang]

CLAIM TIME!

I'm the fruit vendor!

Day 1 I gave a pomegranete to pimegranete
Day 2 I gave a mango to manho
Day 3 I gave a Dripping Gooseberry to DrippingGoofball
Day 3 I gave a peach to parama
Day 4 I gave a pear to pranadevil

And I just gave a fig to fate

[Zang]

12Keyblade isn't just lurking, he's vanished from the site. He has periods of when he's active and when he's lurking like this.

I hope that makes sence.

[Zang]

+ 9,2 Zang

Fruit Vendor

Pomegranate to Pomegranate, mango to manho, Dripping Gooseberry to DrippingGoofball, peach to parama, pear to pranadevil

Today, I gave a fig to fate.

And what does blue mean?

[Zang]

LOLZANG NICE ROLE PICK! I'M NOT KIDDING!

LULZ

Uh, thanks. I didn't want to be vannila so I just picked the useless role.

[Zang]

12KB could be cop.

[Zang]

Sorry for low activity and I don't know when the deadline is but it must be soon so I guess I should just hammer.

Vote: Faraday

[Zang]

##Vote: Faraday

[Zang]

I just gave a saguaro to socrates.

[Zang]

##Vote: 12Keyblade

I believe he was the only one who didn't post last day phrase so he couldntve submited a night kill.

[Zang]

1.) Did you like the game?
2.) Did you let the setup?
3.) What would you keep?
4.) What would you change?

1.Loved the game, (despite my lack of activity)
2.The setup was good
3.Keep the fruit vendor
4.Maybe more roles and three masons next time

I loved being the fruit vendor, it's definitaly the best role In the game.
I'm surprised you thought I was town, and I really didn't understand it but I'm glad you did.
This is my first time I've won as town and the second time I survived.
I had fun playing with all of you. Spyrex was a great mod.

And the point of the fruit vendor is to mess up tracker, redirector, etc. and it can be confirmed that you are the fruit vendor because somebody else says the recieved a fruit.

[Zang]

And I don't like that 12keyblade was lynched, tommorow I was going to give him 12 coconuts.

[Zang]

The fruit vendor messes up the tracker, watcher, redirector, etc.