Mini 950: DCI Mafia (The Results Are In...)

[NavyCherub]

EBWOP: I really screwed all of that up, haha.


I agree with Slaxx, at least a little. There's not really much that can be analyzed right away when it comes to random votes, but that doesn't mean they can't be useful later. Now, people overreacting to random votes/refusing to answer questions and such is something that can be looked at early.

Yo bro I'm reaching for a reason not to random vote because I want to take the moral high ground now so I can lead later!

This is bogus. I don't think he was "reaching" with that post, it looks like he was trying to start some real discussion and you're just yelling at him for it.

Yo bro I'm overreacting to a random vote but I have nothing better to do so hopefully this won't look like paranoia!

Agreed.

Yo bro I haven't even posted acknowledging my presence in this game, I'm just going to be the lurkerscum of this game!

Lurking isn't a scumtell unless it is a newb (or Nikanor hurhurhur).

Unvote, vote

kunkstar7.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: animorpherv1

[Slaxx]

^ This is why I like this guy.

Anyway, I obviously want to hear opinions on the newly formed kunk wagon, specifically Nicodemus and Ani.

[kunkstar7]

^ This is why I like this guy.

Anyway, I obviously want to hear opinions on the newly formed kunk wagon, specifically Nicodemus and Ani.

My issue with the wagon on myself is overreaction is a subjective view, same as overdefensive. In any case, why are you condoning Nacho's votes without explanation and also don't ask for opinions from Nacho when he hasn't commented either?

Nacho, care to explain yet?

[Nachomamma8]

Also, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one reaching for reasons to vote here.

There's my commentary on the wagon.

As for my vote, it explains itself. If you don't get it, look closer...

[Stephoscope]

Hi everyone! I'm going to read the thread now, and I'll have another post in a bit.

[Slaxx]

That is just the way Nacho plays. I have played with him before and he is pretty good at picking out mafia. He is a very striaghtforward player who isnt afraid to throw around his vote and use it to his advantage.

Kunk, you're arguments keep failing. Everything in this game is subjective. We have nothing thats concrete, especially day 1. The democracy, the town rather, decides on what is scummy. Right now that subjective democracy is leaning towards you.

Nacho's thought pattern is clear. He was using his vote as a means of pressuring people who haven't contributed or contributed in a while. He was satisfied with the answer and moved on to the next person. When I feel his vote is uncalled for or I start feeling he isnt contributing, then I will ask him why.

[kunkstar7]

That is just the way Nacho plays. I have played with him before and he is pretty good at picking out mafia. He is a very striaghtforward player who isnt afraid to throw around his vote and use it to his advantage.

Nacho's thought pattern is clear. He was using his vote as a means of pressuring people who haven't contributed or contributed in a while. He was satisfied with the answer and moved on to the next person. When I feel his vote is uncalled for or I start feeling he isnt contributing, then I will ask him why.

I got Nacho's vote after he posted that, I'm an idiot...

[Stephoscope]

I'm not seeing any problems with kunkstar. Looker appears the scummiest to me so far. I don't like his answers, he hasn't shared much else, and he's been on the site over a year and doesn't know what meta is, and doesn't know how to find out? And he somehow answered the questions about meta before he said he didn't know what it is?

Vote: Looker

[Trumpet of Doom]

muh316 is being prodded.

ToD Presents: The Best of DCI (Blue Devils, 2009: 1930)

Vote Count B:

kunkstar7 (4, L-3) - Looker, Parama, Slaxx, NavyCherub

Nicodemus (2, L-5) - animorpherv1/Clank, muh316
animorpherv1/Clank (2, L-5) - Nikanor, Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8 (1, L-6) - kunkstar7
Looker (1, L-6) - Stephoscope

Not Voting (2): Nicodemus, Starbuck

7 votes are required to lynch, 4 at deadline.
If deadline were to hit right now, kunkstar7 would be lynched.

Current Deadline:

Friday, April 16, 2010, ~7:45 AM CDT (GMT-6+1)

[Slaxx]

Why do you find kunk inno?

[Stephoscope]

Why do you find kunk inno?

I'm not saying I think he's definitely innocent, I just don't really see anything that makes me suspicious at this point.

[Nicodemus]

vote: Nicodemus

because he said his town meta is scummy

So did Starbuck. Why be selective here?

Vote: animorpherv1

For the weak FoS comboed with a failure to vote change. Isn't my being the only person to refuse to answer your random questions a better reason than the one behind your random vote? If not, why the FoS?

Lnyhcing players who call their town play scummy is not a random vote.

Just to clarify, are you pushing for a policy lynch? Also, as above, Starbuck said this too. I'd accept it as a reason to vote if you were consistent, but here it just looks like you're aiming for me specifically.

You wanted to take the leadership role so you can get a lynch wagon going. It's

likely

a ML.

Unless I'm misinterpreting, you already have a strong town read on ani? Could you confirm or deny this?

That is just the way Nacho plays. I have played with him before and he is pretty good at picking out mafia. He is a very striaghtforward player who isnt afraid to throw around his vote and use it to his advantage.

Nacho's thought pattern is clear. He was using his vote as a means of pressuring people who haven't contributed or contributed in a while. He was satisfied with the answer and moved on to the next person. When I feel his vote is uncalled for or I start feeling he isnt contributing, then I will ask him why.

I got Nacho's vote after he posted that, I'm an idiot...

Yeah, backtracking is never a good move. It just makes you look like you were BSing and now want to appease everyone by backing down. While I don't think that you were scummy for the earlier discussion with slaxx (because theory discussion is always nothing more or less than a null tell) this latest development is pretty bad.

FoS: kunkstar

, because L-2 is a little too hot for me right now.

Other scummy peoples:

muh

looks scummy for only RVing when called out on it.

ani

is suspicious for advocating a policy lynch when another player is equally applicable for that same lynch, based on the criteria of the policy. Why me instead of Starbuck?

Nacho

, while not scummy per se, gets a spot here because of his playstyle. I'll accept slaxx's meta of him for now, but I hope that he'll start playing more transparently soon.

Vote: muh

[Slaxx]

Yes sorry, bad word choice.

The reasons Parama posted in addition to Kunk and I's back and forth don't bother you then? I find the subtle but nevertheless existent concern for the random vote on him unnerving.

[Slaxx]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

[Nicodemus]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

hush, let Parama answer on his own please.

[Slaxx]

Nic, can you point me towards some of your recent town games? I need to do a little research. Obviously the town grasp I thought on you was not accurate (see: Invasion of Liten D1 xD)

[kunkstar7]

I find the subtle but nevertheless existent concern for the random vote on him unnerving.

I still feel like this is being misrepresented. I am/was not worried about the random vote on me. It was a matter of me seeing two players who simply voted with no reasoning expressed, implied or stated, and asking for their reasoning to generate discussion from those players, who have subsequently avoided talking.

@Nico, I felt like Nacho was just voting randomly without reasoning, which I also called muh and looker out for earlier....,but with Nacho's response, I discovered there was actually implied reasoning, as Slaxx has pointed out.

[Slaxx]

Fair enough.

You called them out, but your vote remains on Nacho. Why are you being stingy with the vote?

[Nicodemus]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

viewtopic.php?t=13074&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0Replaced into this one.

viewtopic.php?t=13277Played this one from the start.

[NavyCherub]

Who is opposed to an ani lynch today? I want

everyone

to weigh in on this. Failure to do so will put you at the top of my scumlist.

I find it strange that, on page 3, you already want people to commit to something.

[Parama]

Nic, Parama is talking from a different point of view in that post. He is assuming (rather strongly) that nacho is scum and that of course a wagon led by a scum is likely to be (but no guaranteed)on a townie.

hush, let Parama answer on his own please.

I wold answer the question but slaxx already gave the correct answer.
I don't know if ani is town or not. But if I have a scum read on someone pushing his wagon on D1, then ani is town by association.

[Starbuck]

Go Go random vote on...

Vote: Stephoscope

Because it's been far too long.

@Nikanor:

IMO, if you refuse to answer the question, you have something to hide.

That's kinda harsh imho.

Unvote
Vote: Animo

The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.

Why?




@Nicodemus - On your question to ani about why you instead of me, I do have a lot of experience playing with ani. He may have a different view of my meta than I do.

[Parama]

The scum in this game are kunkstar7, Nachomamma8, and Stethoscope.

Why?

I gave my reasons based solely on in-game content thus far. Did you read my post?

[Starbuck]

I did.