Mind Screw Mafia 4 (Day 4, Two More Dead!)

[Maemuki]

I'M HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

*cough* I'm here.

Vote: Tarharlindur

[Maemuki]

I meant what I said, Maemuki.

Vote: Maemuki

Ehm? :3

[Maemuki]

No posts for 2 minutes, I am disappoint.

@ Socio, aren't you acting a bit...weird? But, it's a Tar game so I'll let it pass.

[Maemuki]

Well, he seems to have voted three people without unvoting.

...hidden triple voter...?

[Maemuki]

Vote: Tarhalindur

We WILL lynch him. This is not up for debate.

Premise: Tarhalindur knows he can and very well may be lynched.
Premise: Tarhalindur has been lynchable in every Mind Screw game prior to this one.
Premise: Tarhalindur is a strong proponent of the idea that if a mod is acting as a player, they MUST be self-aligned, aka neutral.
Premise: Lynching neutrals is almost as good as lynching scum.
Conclusion: Lynching Tarhalindur is in the town's best interest.

*applause*

[Maemuki]

Eh, that's not completely true. Though not officially 'canon' Mind Screw games, Tar's uPick Mini Madness game did NOT have the mod as a player. In a Marathon game he ran, the Mod was a jesterbomb. So it's not completely in the town's best interest, necessarily.

Yes, but it's not like we'll lose anything. I doubt that he would push the jesternomb again.

[Maemuki]

But there are a number of other nasty things he could do.

And yeah, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here and think that the mysterious new players should be under heavy scrutiny right now.

Mod first, he who must not be named and the other guy (possibly) later.

[Maemuki]

Now, I've never played a Mind Screw game before, but why was lynching the mod profitable in other Mind Screw games? Pardon my ignorance.

Go google, ctrl-f it~ (I really should stop listening to vocaloid...)

[Maemuki]

I'm really sad that you and Seraphim both want me dead. It's very disheartening. :(

Not you!

(Also, Tar was an Evil Overlord on the last game. I'm not sure about MS1 and MS2.)

[Maemuki]

(He was Chairman Mao [who revealed the rules if lynched], and Tarhalindur wasn't really a player on MS1. He was a rolecop, but he was a normal role.)

[Maemuki]

Aha, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I'm still not sure what to really think though...what if the mod is pro-town this time around?

Mmmm, no. That's not going to happen. Tar is too much of an evil mastermind to be pro-town.

[Maemuki]

But...but...but...WHAT IF HE IS?

What if he isn't?

[Maemuki]

Vote: Chairman Mao

Since he's the one we send night actions to, killing him will effectively stop the mafia from killing anyone. Immediate win.

Nightless and cop investigations.

You really didn't think about it, did you?

[Maemuki]

Anyway, should we start pooling some information? What if we all change our avatars and locations, just to prove who can? Anyone else think that would help in any way?

Doubt that~

Wait, you can't change your sig? :S

[Maemuki]

SIG! Right, thought there was something else. I'm kind of multitasking at the moment...

Oh k.

[Maemuki]

I seriously doubt that lynching CM will win the game of course, but it's as good a start as anything.

I thought that you were implying that by lynching Mao we would auto-win. So I said that we wouldn't auto win because of nightless games. I'm not sure that I'm being clear.

[Maemuki]

SP, vote for all of the players in the game right now. JUST DO IT!

Um, ok.

Vote: Kinetic
Vote: Kairyuu
Vote: Plum
Vote: xRECKONERx
Vote: Bogre
Vote: Starbuck
Vote: dramonic
Vote: Fraction Jackson
Vote: Snow_Bunny
Vote: raider8169
Vote: animorpherv1
Vote: ortolan
Vote: Flava Flave
Vote: Cobalt
Vote: hp [leaves]
Vote: Phate
Vote: Candle Jack
Vote: StrangerCoug
Vote: Seraphim
Vote: SocioPath
Vote: DTMaster
Vote: MysteriousMysteryMan
Vote: inHimshallibe
Vote: Maemuki
Vote: Haylen
Vote: Shotty to the Body
Vote: Azazel

Please don't unvote until I see a vote count, this is too awesome.

[Maemuki]

How about not, considering that incessant setup speculation was a big reason why Town lost Mind Screw 3 so horribly.

Just because this is Mind Screw doesn't mean that we shouldn't be hunting scum.

Well, since this is MS, we're setup speculating. If this was a normal game, we would be on the RVS.

Not that much of a difference.

[Maemuki]

@ No Name Jack: I think set-up speculation is a good way to start the game, better than RVS anyway. Scum have a high chance of letting something slip.

Dammit stop making me agree with you.

[Maemuki]

Wait a minute. Raider's ISO is really scummy~!

Unvote: Tarhalindur,

Vote: Raider8169

[Maemuki]

Was anyone in this game part of Mini 914 ~ Mafia Reverberation? That is important to this game only I havn't figured out how yet.

That was a Vi game, she didn't review this...Mmmm...

Care to explain how? I'm simply pointing out aspects that most people may not yet understand.

Ever heard of noise? That's your ISO. DTM has a reason to do it, you don't.

[Maemuki]

Mind Screw Gaiden, where Nat was a Super Saint Beloved Princess.

Aha! Mind Screw Gaiden! Tar

played

on that game. Therefore, he didn't design it.

[Maemuki]

First off, it's just about guaranteed that either Tar or Mao are lynchable.

Now, I'm not sure lynching Tar is a good idea because of the message I got. But Mao, on the other hand, is fair game. At the very least, by lynching or trying to lynch Mao we will gain information. So can we all just lynch Mao and see what happens from there? Only scum can gain from keeping the rules secret.

Right, but let me just see the next votecount and I'll vote for Mao~

[Maemuki]

Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

Well, the worst that can happen with Mao is having a no-lynch.

Hopefully.

[Maemuki]

Or he says "lol, you just no-lynched"
Or he says "lol I was a bomb"
Or he says "lol, now you can't submit actions"
Or he says "lol, I have a passive ability that does something stupid, and you just triggered it"
You want a mod-lynch based on "vague speculation" that it will be beneficial. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove it's a good idea.

..goodpoint...

[Maemuki]

for all we know, the ability keeping the rules secret is not linked to the Chairman Mao account, playername, or flavor in any way.
Also, I have strong reasons to believe tar is a role in this game.

This is true. For all we know, Chairman Mao (from the game Mao) (I'm doing this because he always words his MS PMs like this) and Tarhalindur (from Real Life) may be actual roles in the game. You never know.

Besides Tar's favourite role is himself. It was used at least twice.

[Maemuki]

COUGH COUGH
THIS ROLE EXISTS
COUGH COUGH

COUGH YOU MADE IT PRETTY OBVIOUS COUGH

[Maemuki]

..?

No, it's just that you have been saying that for the past 11 pages.

[Maemuki]

So... now that Cobalt is rendered speechless, anyone else have any objections to a Mao lynch?

YES! Raider is scummier!

[Maemuki]

Correct me if I'm wrong - it has been to the town's advantage to lynch Tarhalindur in EVERY SINGLE MIND SCREW GAME UP 'TIL NOW.

WIFOM.

[Maemuki]

@ Maemuki: Why do you find raider scummy? And, BTW, that's not WIFOM.

Because all of his ISO is pointing obvious things that you should know already.

And it is. It has been a good thing until now. This time, it may be a bad thing.

[Maemuki]

@ Maemuki: Do you mean Tar is using WIFOM or Phate?

Tar, obv.

And I think raider's last post speaks for itself, you haven't addressed that.

He's being defensive, not useful. I mean, if people can't even understand that, I wonder how they are on a MS game on the first place...:S

[Maemuki]

Well, I used the item on MMM and it returned Simon from Gurren Lagan. Then he died and flipped, well you see that part.

WHAT.

THE.
FUCK.

I AM SIMON FROM GURREN LAGAN. YOUR INVESTIGATION POWERS SUCK! JUST WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I AM?

VOTE: DRAMONIC

[Maemuki]

Also, I am NOT Simon from Gurren Lagann.

If you were, we would have to lynch you too. :S

[Maemuki]

Sure, as long as scum-dram dies after her.

Unvote,
Vote: Snow_Bunny

May I just ask you...why? (no is an acceptable answer, by the way)

[Maemuki]

Dram is acting a little shifty and self-preservative. More than likely a lying scumbag.

Not to mention that he investigated somebody that wasn't me and got my role!

[Maemuki]

This is Mindscrew, possibly his investigation has been bus-driven or some such.

It just pisses me off, since I know that there's no way for me to prove that!

Mae and MMM would be next to one another in alphebetization and 2 away from one another in the order posted by Tar in the beginning.

Unless I'm mistake, MMM died

right after that

. Nope, I don't think that it is a conicidence.

[Maemuki]

It's possible all our targets are shifted by 1.

Impossible, or dram wouldn't have gotten the toy in the first place.

[Maemuki]

Fraction, Mae, stop. Read my post. Don't ignore it. Something else must be at work. Since both things effected MMM most likely it was either his ability or an abilty someone used on him, NOT a game wide effect.

No, you don't get it. He

used

the item on MMM. If he used the game on MMM, why the hell would he get my role?

[Maemuki]

It could be this or a redirector.

Ok, now please explain why the hell a bus driver/redirector would drive/redirect

me

. Slowly, 'cause I'm stupid.

[Maemuki]

Is stupid contagious?

Probrably. Your post came just before mine.

[Maemuki]

Here's a hint: hack into Tar's account. No, better yet, hack into

his mind

. That should do the trick.

[Maemuki]

Most mod posts are just us screwing with you. Most.

Which means that this one may not be screwing with us.

You know what, screw it.

[Maemuki]

I can't help but think that hp is post restricted. I mean, it's...eh...

[Maemuki]

I'm Agatha Heterodyne from Girl Genious. I have items, but I can't use them. I can only hand them down to other players, or when I'm killed.

That name...seems oddly familiar...brb.

*google search* Oh, I see. TVTropes ruins my life, indeed.

And that was the stupidest time to claim. Sorry S_B.

[Maemuki]

Hey, Kairyuu. Maybe factional abilities pass over the jailkeeping? :S

Is there a point for me to be unvoting? I mean, he kind of died, so yeah.

[Maemuki]

That would imply my ability is utterly useless, since the entire point is to protect the people in the same location as me from outside actions, specifically killing actions, and the mafia kill is a factional ability. I suspect other shenanigans here.

Well, it wouldn't be useless. A vig kill isn't a factional ability, is it? So please consider it for a moment.

[Maemuki]

A vig shouldn't be shooting pro-town players in the first place. Hence, useless.

Ok I ran out of ideas you win.

[Maemuki]

Yaaaaay! What do I win?

...1 cent!

(Or Kamina Glasses.)

[Maemuki]

Don't take the bait.

? It's not my fault I got Simon and that I like Gurren Lagann. :<

[Maemuki]

I do.

So did you get your previous answer? Are there 3rd party groups on this game?

[Maemuki]

And that was "Yes".

Oh, don't worry, I realised after posting that that Ani is a survivor.

[Maemuki]

Well, with Mae acting the way she is, and with this handy tidbit:

Inside Information

- You know that Kamina glasses have a mechanical effect on the game, that at least one factional ability in the game is related to Kamina glasses, and that players can be forced to wear Kamina glasses in their avatars.

You should ask which faction is in reference there.
Or if it is a yes or no, ask if the faction is pro-town.

I'll leave the phasing to you.
Be sure to word it so you don't get a dodgy answer.

I think this would be the best question to ask at this time.

Okay, right, I can force people to wear Kamina glasses. But that's related to my ability (which, btw, I'm not going to say what it is right now.). If a person has Kamina glasses, even if I don't force them, I can use my ability. (I'll make this sure to you though - it's not a killing ability.) It's similiar to Kairyuu's, actually. The factional part I don't understand, though. Maybe it's somebody that can take advantage of my ability.

....crap. I wonder if I can still change that PM...*rushes*

[Maemuki]

Mae, why is Dramonic scum for bad results?

Because usually that's not how it works, is it~?

[Maemuki]

rolecops aren't pro town roles.

Didn't you just say that this was a Tar game?

Unvote,
Vote: Dramonic

[Maemuki]

Did we ever find out why we all needed to vote Snow Bunny?

Nope, Kinetic died.

[Maemuki]

@Reck: A person's location is important. I don't know what's going on with the Scumchat ones, but anyone who shares a location with me is supposedly completely protected from players who don't share a location with me, and vice versa. I say supposedly because . . . well . . . Kinetic is dead.

Faaaactional abilities~?

I want to blow up Scumchat and everyone in it.

Note to self: hide all explosives from Reck.

[Maemuki]

Doesn't make seeeeeeeeeennnnnseeeee?

Well Tar's a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssssssttttttttttttttttttttttttttttaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddddddddddddddd~

By the way, let's pick out someone in scumchat to lynch and wagon them.

Lynching scum has the priority here.

[Maemuki]

btw everyone be as quiet as possible and don't spam the thread for at least, oh... 200 posts or so

shut up

[Maemuki]

Seriously Mae. I know you're capable of thinking this through. If my ability did not protect from factional abilities, then it would, in effect, only protect them from townies. Why would Tar put a role that is effectively worthless in the game?

Ahm,

because

. Roles don't need to have a reason. And scum may have other abilities (like...I can't think of any right now, but there have to be more). So there.

Or you were roleblocked.

[Maemuki]

...passiveroleblocker....

*shot*

[Maemuki]

IDK why, but someone ask me why a neutral (especially like my role, who gets REMOVED FROM THE GAME when I get 5 Items) is a lynch. Just give me Items and I leave.

And what happens to the items, huh?

[Maemuki]

You could've asked me that at about 4 PM EST when I hadn't cleaned out my inbox with the Role PM in it.

After Dramonic dies...no. There must be some merciful soul out there. I like to believe that the merciful soul is going to kill you.

Besides, why do people erase their role PMs anyway?

[Maemuki]

Who did you target? I got the glasses obv, but did you target someone else?

I...targeted Seraphim.

(Ahm, guys. My ability is helpful to the town. Just sayin'. You probrably want to keep me alive. It's not like I'll make anything disappear.)

[Maemuki]

@Mae: At this point we have this information:
1. You can force people to wear Kamina glasses.
2. There is a cult in the game.
3. The cult's win condition is based on Kamina glasses.

<Hint: if you guys just start wearing kamina glasses, you won't lose. Just sayin'.>

[Maemuki]

Read: Oh hai, I'm cult, and if everyone changes their avatar to one with Kamina glasses then we all win. Sorry, no. At this point I want a role PM quote.

I can't. Modkill.

[Maemuki]

She seriously claimed Cult Leader?

Please tell me where I did that~

[Maemuki]

You won't.

Hey, besides, if I just stop doing that, I can't win. So why waste a lynch?

[Maemuki]

You won't.

Hey, besides, if I just stop doing that, I can't win. So why waste a lynch?

And if I do, you can lynch me. I promise.

[Maemuki]

Your appeals for us to wear kamina glasses are half-arsed, unenthusiastic, and unconvincing. Vague promises of something 'good' without specifics are very suspicious.

It's the exact same as Kairyuu's ability, except that it runs out when somebody has been lynched. Actually, screw it.:

Dude, Quit Hogging the Cool!

- Each day, you may target a player other than yourself that is wearing Kamina glasses in his or her avatar. That player loses all role abilities except for factional abilities and gains protection from role abilities

("You cannot be affected by role abilities in any way, shape, or form")

until the next time a player is lynched or until that player stops wearing Kamina glasses in his or her avatar, whichever comes first. This is a Rapid Action

(it resolves immediately upon receipt)

.

[Maemuki]

So in other words, the wearing the glasses may allow to jailkeep someone?

If true we can force people to wear them if we think they are scum.

If everybody agrees, I can go with this plan.

(But it would work better if he/she was town. Factional abilities aren't blocked.)

[Maemuki]

Mae - given the redirection, where would a Seraphim target go?

DTMaster.

Who claimed to have been gooed and seperately made to wear Tar's avatar? DTM. So whole in theory Jailkeeping is really nice, but I'm not keen on trusting you here.

The goo part is not my fault at all. :S

[Maemuki]

Is the avatar your doing, then?

He can technically change his avatar to anything as long as it has Kamina glasses.

Mae: Action now since you are a rapid action

Okies~ what do you want me to do~?

I feel the desperate urge to kamina glass hp. Just so I can say take that! *restrains herself*