Mind Screw Mafia 4 (Day 4, Two More Dead!)

[Maemuki]

Mind Screw Gaiden, where Nat was a Super Saint Beloved Princess.

Aha! Mind Screw Gaiden! Tar

played

on that game. Therefore, he didn't design it.

[Kinetic]

The reason tar had issue with that role was because it was town aligned, used mod knowledge to block the mafia kill, and taunted the mafia while doing so. As mafia in that game I remember it VIVEDLY. However a jester bomb would not violate tar's objections as I remember them.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

First off, it's just about guaranteed that either Tar or Mao are lynchable.

Now, I'm not sure lynching Tar is a good idea because of the message I got. But Mao, on the other hand, is fair game. At the very least, by lynching or trying to lynch Mao we will gain information. So can we all just lynch Mao and see what happens from there? Only scum can gain from keeping the rules secret.

[Maemuki]

First off, it's just about guaranteed that either Tar or Mao are lynchable.

Now, I'm not sure lynching Tar is a good idea because of the message I got. But Mao, on the other hand, is fair game. At the very least, by lynching or trying to lynch Mao we will gain information. So can we all just lynch Mao and see what happens from there? Only scum can gain from keeping the rules secret.

Right, but let me just see the next votecount and I'll vote for Mao~

[hp [leaves]]

First off, it's just about guaranteed that either Tar or Mao are lynchable.

Now, I'm not sure lynching Tar is a good idea because of the message I got. But Mao, on the other hand, is fair game. At the very least, by lynching or trying to lynch Mao we will gain information. So can we all just lynch Mao and see what happens from there? Only scum can gain from keeping the rules secret.

Seriously, I don't think lynching any mod is a good idea unless we have pretty valid reasons.

[inHimshallibe]

Seriously, I don't think lynching any mod is a good idea unless we have pretty valid reasons.

It's a coinflip at this point. I'm not sure we can even glean more information about what a modlynch would bring us, but I think it's important we don't lynch Tar or Mao right away.

Is it too obvious to be too obvious? :mindscrew:

[Cobalt]

I find it hard to believe that people want to lynch the mod, based on WIFOM from that mod, in a game where the mod cannot be trusted.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

OK, so hp [leaves], inHimshallibe, and Cobalt are mafia. Good to know.

Why would lynching Mao be a bad thing? Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

[Snow_Bunny]

Snow_Bunny, read the thread, please.

Why? Because some of you decided to not vote until a votecount? Pfft.

Unvote

Raider and Snow Bunny are scum. Will vote after votecount.

Raider, who knows. Me, nah, you're wrong.

I wonder why people stopped voting the mod. Seems like a good idea.

But, wait... In some past Tar games, the first lynch worked as a sane cop investigation. May it be possible it works just the same here?

[Maemuki]

Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

Well, the worst that can happen with Mao is having a no-lynch.

Hopefully.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

Well, the worst that can happen with Mao is having a no-lynch.

Hopefully.

Tar has got to be anticipating that we will mod-lynch. So, you're right, I doubt he has anything really nasty in store. Personally, my guess is when we get a majority he'll just say "haha, nice try" and reset the vote count. But it MIGHT also reveal the rules. So there's a good reason to try, and only vague speculation against the idea.

[Cobalt]

Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

Well, the worst that can happen with Mao is having a no-lynch.

Hopefully.

Tar has got to be anticipating that we will mod-lynch. So, you're right, I doubt he has anything really nasty in store. Personally, my guess is when we get a majority he'll just say "haha, nice try" and reset the vote count. But it MIGHT also reveal the rules. So there's a good reason to try, and only vague speculation against the idea.

Or he says "lol, you just no-lynched"
Or he says "lol I was a bomb"
Or he says "lol, now you can't submit actions"
Or he says "lol, I have a passive ability that does something stupid, and you just triggered it"
You want a mod-lynch based on "vague speculation" that it will be beneficial. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove it's a good idea.

[Maemuki]

Or he says "lol, you just no-lynched"
Or he says "lol I was a bomb"
Or he says "lol, now you can't submit actions"
Or he says "lol, I have a passive ability that does something stupid, and you just triggered it"
You want a mod-lynch based on "vague speculation" that it will be beneficial. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove it's a good idea.

..goodpoint...

[xRECKONERx]

You guys should get all up on some modlynching. I'll sit idly by and watch the jesterbomb go off.

[Mysterious Mystery Man]

Tar, yeah, I could see that, but Mao?

Well, the worst that can happen with Mao is having a no-lynch.

Hopefully.

Tar has got to be anticipating that we will mod-lynch. So, you're right, I doubt he has anything really nasty in store. Personally, my guess is when we get a majority he'll just say "haha, nice try" and reset the vote count. But it MIGHT also reveal the rules. So there's a good reason to try, and only vague speculation against the idea.

Or he says "lol, you just no-lynched"

Speculation

Or he says "lol I was a bomb"

Speculation

Or he says "lol, now you can't submit actions"

Speculation, and that would actually be good for the town since scum can't kill.

Or he says "lol, I have a passive ability that does something stupid, and you just triggered it"

Speculation

You want a mod-lynch based on "vague speculation" that it will be beneficial. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove it's a good idea.

The chance that lynching Mao reveals all the scum, gives the town five extra lynches, and makes everyone NK-proof is just as likely as any of that. Of course, there's no reason to think that's the case. But there is very good reason to think that will Mao gone, the rules will be revealed. That's the way it's worked in every MS game.

[xRECKONERx]

Cobalt, let's lynch Shotty to the Body or Azazel. What say you?

[Cobalt]

No, pretty sure MMM is the wagon. He's trying to push a modwagon based on modWIFOM. There's so many better ways we could spend the D1 lynch.

[xRECKONERx]

Hmm okay.

Unvote: Candle Jack
Vote: MMM

[Kinetic]

This is a majorly scummy post because of all the assumptions that are made, half of which are baseless:

First off, it's just about guaranteed that either Tar or Mao are lynchable.

Assumption: The mod and mod backup account are lynchable.

Fact: It is true, based on previous Mind Screw Games the mod account was a player and lynchable. This is the first time with such a back up account. Saying that one of two might be lynchable maybe correct, except what happens if you lynch the wrong one? Does the town lose a lynch then?

Now, I'm not sure lynching Tar is a good idea because of the message I got. But Mao, on the other hand, is fair game. At the very least, by lynching or trying to lynch Mao we will gain information.

Assumption: Tar is a bad lynch, thus Mao is a good lynch.

WRONG. There is very little likeliness of both Tar and Mao both being players and the game being balanced.

Additionally, "information" is vague. Finding out "Hey, lynching Mao doesn't work and loses us a lynch" is technically information. Its also information we don't need to confirm at the cost of a lynch RIGHT NOW.

So can we all just lynch Mao and see what happens from there?

Claim: So, hey, we might gain something. I haven't proved we will, or even if its a good idea, so can we do it anyway?

NO! Emphatically. If these are your reasons they are BAD!

Only scum can gain from keeping the rules secret.

Assumption: The Chairman Mao account = the Chairman Mao character-

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

This is NOT confirmed.

Assumption: The scum know the rules, and thus gain a benefit for keeping them secret.

WRONG WRONG WRONG, Scum are as blind as we are, and sometimes the town roles can make rules to mess with the scum.

Assumption: Secret is always bad.

WRONG WRONG WRONG. Information is at a premium right now, but we cannot do stupid things to gain morsels of information. We need to be smart about what we do. Blindly lynching a secondary mod account is frankly idiotic.

Unless you know something we don't, you're making insane scummy assumptions a townie should not be making.

MFoS: MMM

[xRECKONERx]

No, Kinetic, you're doing it wrong. It should be

Vote: MMM

, not just

MFoS

.

[Cobalt]

for all we know, the ability keeping the rules secret is not linked to the Chairman Mao account, playername, or flavor in any way.
Also, I have strong reasons to believe tar is a role in this game.

[Maemuki]

for all we know, the ability keeping the rules secret is not linked to the Chairman Mao account, playername, or flavor in any way.
Also, I have strong reasons to believe tar is a role in this game.

This is true. For all we know, Chairman Mao (from the game Mao) (I'm doing this because he always words his MS PMs like this) and Tarhalindur (from Real Life) may be actual roles in the game. You never know.

Besides Tar's favourite role is himself. It was used at least twice.

[Kinetic]

for all we know, the ability keeping the rules secret is not linked to the Chairman Mao account, playername, or flavor in any way.
Also, I have strong reasons to believe tar is a role in this game.

Likely the Mao player name, i.e. character is the role blocking the rules. If there is one constant in MSM it is usually that. That makes no claim on alignment though, neither who controls said player and what benefit to their team that player has.

xReck: Right now Raider is just as scummy as MMM and I support his lynch more, but I'll vote MMM and support his lynch if that is the lynch push. I want to wait for more people to voice their opinions though.

[Cobalt]

Tarhalindur (from Real Life)

COUGH COUGH
THIS ROLE EXISTS
COUGH COUGH

[Maemuki]

COUGH COUGH
THIS ROLE EXISTS
COUGH COUGH

COUGH YOU MADE IT PRETTY OBVIOUS COUGH