Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Papa Zito]

vote: farside

Wagon gogogo.

Wait, I've already tried this before.

unvote: farside
vote: Sensfan

Policy gogogo.

[Papa Zito]

vote: Sensfan

Policy gogogo.

Elaborate please.

Sorry, confidential.

[Papa Zito]

unvote: Sensfan
vote: MehPlusRawr

Post.

[Papa Zito]

Guys.

7. MehPlusRawr

Bold means Confirmed.

Confirmed and 0 posts. I call shenanigans. Lynch plz.

[Papa Zito]

Elaborate please.

Sorry, confidential.

This isn't a good way to play. "OMG I'm getting all these reactions" isn't a reason not to expand on why Sens would be a good policy lynch.

The Sens vote had nothing to do with reactions. Confidential = private.

Also, happy birthday.

[Papa Zito]

Zito's lurker hunt amuses me. Your being a

little

hypocritical there. So what you think of xvart? Jack? etc. (That kind-of grammatically sucks )

Glad you're amused. It's a game, after all.

I haven't gotten much of anything out of these pages. Everything's too splintered. I can say I'm fairly confident that xofelf is scum though... lots and lots of talking about playstyles and meta and other crap. Have an iso look.

I'd be voting there if I didn't think MehPlusRawr's lurking (is that a hydra?) was more egregious.

[Papa Zito]

xvart seems to compulsively misrep/generalise. Agree/disagree? Scummy or not?

So I iso'd xvart.

He's extremely defensive and sarcastic, and I see a bit of backpedaling here and there. Most of his interactions with people are knee-jerk. The major sticking point here seems to be the claiming scumbuddies bit. Apparently his opinion is that claiming scumbuddies, even in jest, is scummy. If that's his opinion, and he's following through, so be it. His iso 10 seems to honestly sums up his activity.

Jack made a random cop breadcrumb comment and and produces little content. I found that scummy. Do you agree?

A random cop breadcrumb (if that's even what it was) is null. I would say all the people talking about it are worse than the one who did it.

Lack of content, however, is true, and I agree that it's scummy. Also his reaction to a sudden wagon on him ("What, you don't find Cyberbob scummy?") was lulz.

I don't understand how it can hurt to tell us why Sens should be policy lynched. I don't see how it helps not to tell us. You are making no sense by witholding this.

It's a private matter, and as good a reason as any for an opening vote. That's really all there is to say about it.

I think that's everything to me. I'm going to read back and try to get more involved.

Two other things:

1. Now that MehPlusRawr has posted an incredibly lame case on Shovel, can we lynch him?
2. Also, the elmo hydra is pinging me for some reason.

[Papa Zito]

Thanks Iceman. Also OMGUS.

[Papa Zito]

SpyreX is acting weird yes.

I'll do those isos.

[Papa Zito]

Well that was easy.

I can easily see CKD as being opportunistic.

No issues with Shovel.

Neither of these have to do with Cyberbob tho.

Vote Count 13: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
Drippereth - 1 - SocioPath
xvart -

5

- Budja, Kmd4390, farside22, FeFiFoFum, Anon
Anon - 1 - Elscouta
MehPlusRawr - 1 - Papa Zito
xofelf - 2 - SensFan, Drippereth
Jack -

5

- SpyreX, J-Scope, curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elmocrates
Cyberbob - 3 - Cobalt, Jack
Papa Zito - 1 - ooba, Iecerint
Cobalt - 3 - Cyberbob, Starbuck, xvart

Not Voting (2): MehPlusRawr, xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

Happy scumdays, Papa Zito and SocioPath!

I owe you some flavor quotes about spring, because it's sprung and I've just rediscovered how happy it makes me feel.

[Papa Zito]

Not really seeing the Cyberbob hate imo tbh dtd.

If we aren't going to policy lynch CyberBob we should just lynch CKD and get to day 2.

This isn't the worst plan in the world.

Still curious about what those two have to do with CyberBob.

OMG SOCIOPATH WE ARE SCUMDAY TWINKIES!

[Papa Zito]

I want to lynch xofelf real bad right now. All this out of game drama is a mega distraction, and scum loves a distraction. Possibly to distract from a buddy being in danger of being lynched.

Well hell. Less talking, more doing then.

unvote: MehPlusRawr
vote: xofelf

starbuck might be scum too actually. might need to review that a bit later.

? Looking forward to this.

[Papa Zito]

I'm looking forward to it now because I have a town read on you for once.

Which is weird, but yeah.

[Papa Zito]

I'd like to lynch SPS, Sens or papa zito. Those calling out elf over sens who is pretty much doing the same thing all get my

FOS

.

So you're looking at elf and thinking "yeah, that's a townie" right?

[Papa Zito]

I'd like to lynch SPS, Sens or papa zito. Those calling out elf over sens who is pretty much doing the same thing all get my

FOS

.

So you're looking at elf and thinking "yeah, that's a townie" right?

I'm thinking those calling out elf and neglecting sens are using bs reasoning.

I've seen Sens participating somewhat in the game. I've seen elf do exactly 0. To me there's a fairly substantial difference between the two.

Kill:CyberBob

Hate to waste it this early; but it's for the good of the game.

Hey something happened. Where's Plum?

[Papa Zito]

Thanks darlin.

Jack, you went and got my hopes all up and now I'm sad. :/

I agree with SensFan's post.

[Papa Zito]

Hey Spy.

Where is the Jack hate?

You promised us Jack hate.

Also, someone shoot MehPlusRawr and put us both out of our misery.

[Papa Zito]

Someone give me the xvart case. I remember thinking it was weird and not knowing what it was about.

[Papa Zito]

seriously, think of a scum motivation to fake a daykill

Why, so the scum can say

because I do it and I'm always town

and

faking daykills is supertown

and

There's nothing anti-town or scummy about faking a daykill AFAIK.

my dear Cobalt.

[Papa Zito]

^ Yes, it is possible for scum to fake a daykill to "look town." That does not mean that faking a daykill is anti-town or scummy, which is what SX is implying.

I didn't say it was. I was just answering Cobalt's question.

Also, I'm still hoping someone materializes with the xvart case.

[Papa Zito]

What's the cyberbob case then?

[Papa Zito]

I frequently forget things. Tell me again. Use small words.

[Papa Zito]

unvote vote xofelf

XD

Waiting for a reaction from the mighty Elmocrates.

[Papa Zito]

I like where this wagon is going.

316: @Papa Zito: OMGUS? Iecerint never attacked you?

He voted me in 310.

366: @Iecerint\Papa Zito - "Secret towntell"?

Eh? Why's this directed at me?

Plus I thought that conversation already happened.

I also realized that Papa Zito did not replay to Iecerint's post 318 where he enquires about the OMGUS
Iecerint does not follow up here either

Well, see above. I don't think anyone takes OMGUS seriously anymore anyway.

?

Am I getting set up the bomb?

You (one of you?) has been something of an elf apologist. I wanted to see your reaction to elf's terrible post.

[Papa Zito]

You (one of you?) has been something of an elf apologist.

Based on what? I don't think that's true at all.

Elmo

Based on your rather extensive back-and-forth with Sens. You posted several "she may think this" "she may think that" posts.

Vote Count 22: Lynch

Starbuck - 1 - PaltryExcuse
xvart - 4 - Budja, Kmd4390, FeFiFoFum, Anon
xofelf -

9

- SensFan, Drippereth, Papa Zito, xvart, SpyreX, Cobalt, Cyberbob, Elscouta, ooba
Jack - 2 - curiouskarmadog, Steam-Powered Shovel
Cyberbob - 1 - Iecerint
Cobalt - 1 - Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 3 - farside22, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr
FeFiFoFum - 1 - J-Scope
Ooba - 1 - Elmocrates
Elscouta - 1 - Jack

Not Voting (1): xofelf

With 25 players alive it'll take 13 to lynch and 13 to no-Lynch.

There are no players in the

Halls of Mandos

, so right now there are no

Revive

or

Destroy

counts.

[Papa Zito]

I find our lack of DGB disturbing.

Elmo:

Whether she actually does is irrelevant. She might mistakenly believe she does.

Unless you think xofelf's meta skills are perfect, there is some reasonable chance that she genuinely thought she had a meta tell on you.

It doesn't tell you which games she's read; she might have read previous games where you were scum.

I just don't see how "not being the type" can be so strong that you immediately think she's lying when she asserts a meta read on you.

These kinds of quotes are what I'm talking about. I found it weird that you'd make assumptions about xofelf while slamming Sens for making assumptions about xofelf. Or posting any of these at all and just letting xofelf dig her own grave.

[Papa Zito]

I agree with what Elmo was saying in those quotes. You can't just claim someone is lying if it's reasonable to say that they could just be mistaken.

Sure you can't, but I'd expect people to want xofelf to be the one to respond to it, not Elmo.

[Papa Zito]

316: @Papa Zito: OMGUS? Iecerint never attacked you?

He voted me in 310.

Sorry I meant to ask "But how is it OMGUS if you never attacked him?"

I was using OMGUS in the literal sense. As in, I was saying to Iec "Oh My God You Suck" for voting me. I wasn't accusing him of anything.

[Papa Zito]

I found it weird that you'd make assumptions about xofelf while slamming Sens for making assumptions about xofelf.

I don't see where I've made any assumptions about xofelf or "slammed" Sens. I don't think I've said Sens is suspicious or even incorrect - I dunno where you are getting this from.

If you don't see it I can't help you. I posted examples.

Slamming Sens in the post of posting about nothing else, to nobody else, many times. Inb4 "I don't see"

I'm not sure why you think I shouldn't have posted the quoted.

Obviously.

tl;dr This conversation is retarded though overzealous defense is interesting.

[Papa Zito]

A wild Shovel wagon appears! Very nifty.

I understand that there's many votes on me, but i'm sick of being in defense mode, so i'll just accept that they're there. And if i get lynched, then oh well.
No i am not replacing. I know that my participate so far has been shit, and singularly focused, but at this point i'm done with it and i'm not going to acknowledge it at the moment, as it does nothing to help this game at all. Mistaken or lying, whatever you want to say. It's done and over with and i apologize for bringing it up and wasting everyone's time. But please, let's back to this game as deadline is fairly close.

Also, i reserve my votes because i don't like to jump on wagons that i don't see any merit to, and because i don't have to be voting 24/7 to make any more validity to points that are apparent to others other than just me.

You know what's totally, completely, utterly awesome about this post?

0 content.

Lynch plz.

Please give some posts where I'd insulted elf or brought personal issues into the game.

NONONONONONONONONONONONO

@PapaZito: Why are you characterizing us as Xofelf apologists and not Jack apologists? The way Elmo has been interacting with Sens is pretty much the same as the way I interacted with Iecerint when he hopped on the Jack wagon.

This again?

I'd have to go back and look. It must not have been as blatant. I also don't care and I'm not sure why you do.

[Papa Zito]

Hmm. Started to read up and started getting tired. I'm through page 13 and probably won't go through responding to every little thing, but I'll finish reading and am here if anyone has questions.

Why did the xvart wagon die? Did he get run up to L-1 and claim or something? Where is the xofelf wagon coming from?

Someone take care of this problem tonight plz.

[Papa Zito]

Halp halp the game is stuck.

[Papa Zito]

Hurrah.

Too late DGB.

[Papa Zito]

If J-Scope flips scum then ooba's a partner.

Jack what are your thoughts on all this?

Why are you specifically asking him?

Destroy: xofelf
Revive: farside

[Papa Zito]

I am the town watcher and Watched farside get targetted by j-scope

And nobody else targeted farside, right?

[Papa Zito]

An Elf Voyeur?

Really?

[Papa Zito]

I didn't claim trackerwatcher upfront because I didn't want people to know that I have the silmaril which They get if they kill me unless im lynched.

I don't suppose anyone else claims to have the silmaril?

You take issue with THAT over this sort of shit?

Yeah, it sounds really goofy.

[Papa Zito]

EBWOP 836: Look at posts 710-714 and look at Els call for role and then els goes hypocritical and says im role fishing. Terribad.

vote Elds

.... wait.

But Since I have the Silmaril I am able to track as well.
I saw him Target Farside.

So you tracked him to Farside, and Farside died.

PLUS

didn't target farside, reading back.

PLUS

By someone. I assume J-Scope because he knew about it somehow.

= Elds vote?

[Papa Zito]

Even if FFFF turns up scum, please do not discount the question as to

why he did it

.

This is the part I'm struggling with.

Also, the fun thing is that he says he's an elf, so we don't get a flip right away.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito, no Silmaril-fishing. If he does hold the Silmaril, then he could still easily be scum.

Oh don't be so lame. If someone else holds it then he's caught in a lie that no amount of crazy role shenanigans can explain away.

You too SocioPath.

[Papa Zito]

A. You're a gimp.

A. So?
B. We guarantee good lynch and cut through all the BS. This is bad?

Oh shit I forgot this is a large theme. There are never protective roles in large themes. Dammit. You're right about the big target thing.

C. So?

[Papa Zito]

Aren't there three Silmarils such that CCing would pretty much be useless?

(Since when are protective roles not in large themes?)

Game rule 2 says "The Silmaril". To me "The" = "One and Only".

Also sarcasm.

[Papa Zito]

Gawd I'm hating this limited reveal nonsense.

I'm not super excited about reviving any of that lot, honestly.

destroy: FFFF

Vote Count 3 - 02: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel - 1 - Jack
xvart -

2

- Kmd4390, Iecerint
Iecerint - 1 - SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck,
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel,

Not Voting (13): farside22, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Papa Zito, xvart, Anon, curiouskarmadog, SensFan, Budja, Cobalt, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Vote Count 3 - 02: Revive

Drippereth - 1 - Kmd4390,
J-Scope -

7

- Iecerint, curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, Steam-Powered Shovel, Starbuck, xvart, ooba

Not Voting (10): farside22, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Papa Zito, Anon, Jack, SensFan, Budja, Cobalt, SocioPath,

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to revive. If a player has over 10 to Revive, the choice is locked in and that player will be revived and return to the game proper when the lynch resolves.

Vote Count 2 - 02: Destroy

FeFiFoFum -

12

- SpyreX, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr, Jack, ooba, Kmd4390, Iecerint, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Steam-Powered Shovel, curiouskarmadog, Papa Zito

Not Voting (6): farside22, xvart, Anon, SensFan, Budja, Cobalt,

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to destroy. If a player has over 10 to Destroy, the choice is locked in and that player will move

Beyond the Circles of the World

when the lynch resolves.

FeFiFoFum

will move

Beyond the Circles of the World

when the lynch resolves. I will henceforth no longer note the Destroy count.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Given the Mufasa/FFFF ban, can we wipe those destroy votes plz?

Also

vote: Iec

This is ridiculous.

[Papa Zito]

Going to ISO Nachomamma and J-Scope to see who I'd rather see revived.

^^^^should be lynched

+1

But Iec first.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Given the Mufasa/FFFF ban, can we wipe those destroy votes plz?

The point of destroy is knowing alignment/role name so I don't see how FFFF being banned would change anyone's opinion about destroying/knowing his alignment.

xvart.

He was banned for violating site rules. That's something outside the game. Being the the Hall means he's still technically in the game. I'm hoping he's removed due to the ban (flip is bonus) and we can destroy someone else (hello Elscouta).

[Papa Zito]

Screw morality, I want a win. lulz

vote Zito, said very little, hasn't given the pro-town buzz I would expect

I'm being voted on a meta basis? I think that's a first.

My problem with this game is that I have basically no town reads here. I've already ranted to Plum about this in a PM. Seriously, I wouldn't mind seeing about 80% of you lot hang right now, and I could probably be swayed to get rid of the rest. And this is a problem cuz the way I play Mafia is by working with townies. So.

Not so keen on the Iec hop.

Why?

[Papa Zito]

Yeah, it's everyone else's fault for your inability to derive quality reads from a game.

THANK YOU

Jesus, see, it's not that hard.

Isn't the Iec case based on the meta Socio brought up?

My Iec vote is because of his batshit insane reasons for wagoning xvart.

WHAT DOES IT MEAN

You're hard to wagon so the scumz want to buddy you instead?

[Papa Zito]

hi
is anyone else not feeling the usual minty-fresh obvtown aura spyrex usually exudes?

Oh goddammit.


Dear SpyreX,

Cobalt is using the same BS that Budja did. Alliance time Y/y? I may have another candidate, please hold.


Love,

PZ

is there an easier way to review passed vote counts that dont involve scanning page by page?

No, and this is why the editing thing sucks.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito I accept the initiation of Unbreakable Alliance: The Anti-Meta Coalition

Hallelujah!

with the following terms and members:
2.) Sociopath

Ehhhhhh

Why?

The only new term is this: No meta. None. This is a plague this game that must be removed even more so than normal.

Done.

More info forthcoming, please hold.

also spry, please assign the kills last night..you can guess, I am just curious.

Elscouta - vig
Nachomamma - vig
Drippereth - SK
J-Scope - scum

Why did you ask this?

[Papa Zito]

@Zito:

I'm actually MORE confident in Socio being town than you or, well, anyone but Cyber.

Ok then.

Big reveal:

farside is like 99.999999999999999999999999999999% town and should be part of the coalition forthwith.

ALSO

Budja is like ~80% town and should be strongly considered.

These two items brought to you by Secret Magicks A POWERFUL WIZARD Would Approve.

What does that bring Unbreakable Alliance: The Anti-Meta Coalition to?

[Papa Zito]

*applesauce*

[Papa Zito]

Farside and Budja... hmm.

Magic!

[Papa Zito]

Unbreakable Alliance: The Anti-Meta Coalition

1.) Cyberbob
2.) Sociopath
3.) J-scope
4.) Starbuck
5.) SpyreX
6.) Papa Zito
7.) farside22
8.) Budja

I CAN FEEL THE PROGRESS

woopwoop let's lynch someone kids.

Iecerint - 4 - SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito

Hay look an Alliance wagon.

[Papa Zito]

Just a moment - what the fuckbucket is this unbreakable alliance nonsense? Are you chumps setting up voting blocks to instalynch people from this point on? Or is it a way to not so subtly mask your buddy buddy tenancies with the other scum by having most of them voting along "party lines" with the rest of these jokers who seem to only speak in half astute, half sentence accusations and other such garbly gook:

lulz

xvart is scared ITP

[Papa Zito]

Wow Plum. You're really bending over backwards to accommodate people here.

are you certain that there is no scum on your "alliance?"

No.

Conversely, does it matter if there are scum on your alliance?

No.

@SpyreX - Shades of Yos in MtG amirite?

Surprised you find me town Zito.
I don't hate meta .

Magic!


@Anon: I need some catchup with those fries.

[Papa Zito]

Just popping in to say I won't be responding to CKD. That is all.

ORLY

[Papa Zito]

MORE PRESSURE ON KMD

I'm leaning this way atm.

SpyreX - KMD wagon y/n?

Vote Count 3 - 12: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel - 3 - Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr
xvart - 3 - Iecerint, Kmd4390, Anon
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 1 - curiouskarmadog
Budja - 1 - xvart
curiousjarmadog - 2 - Budja, farside22

Not Voting (3): SensFan, Cobalt, ooba

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

[Papa Zito]

That's an oddly specific bit of info to have on another player.

[Papa Zito]

At what point did you learn this, Kmd?

[Papa Zito]

Well. It does if it helps the town figure out that you're scum.

Which I'm leaning to, atm, because you're story doesn't add up.

[Papa Zito]

first of all, KMD has told us jack....but lets say everything he has told us is true, it doesnt say shit about his alignment. I for one do not believe it and still feel he is the lynch today.

I'm still agreeing with this. The whole thing sounds like BS.

Spy, help me with the SPS case. I'm an idiot, use small words.

[Papa Zito]

Budja - 3 - xvart, Anon

Math is hard or shenanigans?

[Papa Zito]

SILVER moddess sorry. Though grey sounds more mysterious somehow.

I forgot about the secret scumtell.

I hate to abandon an alliance-based wagon tho.

[Papa Zito]

secret scumtell TM.

I'm not sensing support for an SPS wagon. I'm finding it hard to support too.

Time for the Big Reveal.

[Papa Zito]

AND there's no heat.

There hasn't ever been any heat.

Vote Count 27: Lynch
xvart - 2 - FeFiFoFum
xofelf - 13 - SensFan, Papa Zito, xvart, SpyreX, Cobalt, Cyberbob, ooba, Steam-Powered Shovel, Elscouta, Elmocrates, J-Scope, Budja, Kmd4390
Cobalt - 1 - Starbuck
Steam-Powered Shovel - 8 - farside22, SocioPath, MehPlusRawr, Drippereth, Jack, Iecerint, Anon, curiouskarmadog
Elscouta - 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting (1): xofelf

?

Why?

Why am I not scum? Why is it automatically assumed that I'm just misguided versus scum machinations?

Why can't he just have a town read on you?

I disapprove of asking for the case before you decide whether you think the person is suspicious. You can read yourself, either SPS or the people voting him. Asking for the case only makes sense if you suspect the person you are asking and want to see what kind of reasoning they have.

Oh go wag your finger somewhere else. Like, say, in traffic. I did read and came up empty. SpyreX is asking for my vote so I want to know why. I'm entirely open to the possibility that I missed something.

I'm not saying SPS is town at all, but I AM saying that so far I've been presented with less-than-stellar reasoning for his wagon so I'm just not getting it.

[Papa Zito]

No no. Heat from him. Not ON him.

Oh.

Well hell, that's half the game. Which is why we're gonna lose, btw.

I'm not joining any more limited-reveal setups. I can't get anything done in this vacuum.

[Papa Zito]

Okay, you know what?

It's certainly damn true that SPS isn't doing anything.

And the stagnation just makes me itch.

unvote: Kmd
vote: SPS

And if you're wrong I'll just Papa Zito you off another cliff.

Let's go alliance.

[Papa Zito]

I don't remember farside. I probably ignored it.

So, we're in agreement!

Oh good. I like it when people can work together.

[Papa Zito]

Hey all, I'll reread this and make a post tonight.

Warning ahead of time: Things at work just got super heavy so my participation will be sporadic for the next week(ish)

[Papa Zito]

Hey all, I'll reread this and make a post tonight.

Warning ahead of time: Things at work just got super heavy so my participation will be sporadic for the next week(ish)

I'm still at work so nevermind and we seem to be at deadline anyway.

CKD wagon tomorrow from the oh-so-brief skim I just did.

[Papa Zito]

farside, ckd, xvart. If a no lynch happens it's because of them.

Why are Kmd, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Budja excused?

God damn it I have to get back to work. lol

[Papa Zito]

Hey kids. I'm going to catch up in another game and then do this one.

[Papa Zito]

ooba's telling the truth.

ooba
kmd
farside

all town woo

but I am telling you, you wont what you will find down there (oh was that a soft claim, lets push and find out).

OK.

vote: CKD

Kmd, why is xvart scum again?

[Papa Zito]

LOL.....why not just ask for the claim PZ?

Wagons are informative.

Plus it would ruin the surprise! \o/

Zito, xvart is scum for over reacting to votes and misrepping on Day 1.

Arrite. I was hoping there was new data somewhere.

Someone vig Socipath plz. And Cobalt.

[Papa Zito]

Call it a super secret town tell.

Not this again.

[Papa Zito]

SPS hasn't flipped yet!

My problem is I always want to lynch Anon, so I never know if he's really scum or not.

[Papa Zito]

I was talking to SpyreX, Jack. lolirony

ANYWAY FINE

unvote: CKD

vote: Anon

[Papa Zito]

Anon hasn't posted since the 30th. That's more grounds for a replacement than a lynch - something I wouldn't be opposed to for Cobalt, either come to think of it, though the posts that he

has

made have been far worse in terms of content than Anon's.

Dear town,

If Anon flips scum, Cyberbob is a buddy, Cobalt probably not.

Just FYI.


Love,

PZ

I don't think CKD is scum for the softclaim; there's no question that it was stupid as hell but at this point it looks like he'd almost be happy with dying because that would mean proving certain people wrong (which is anti-town as shit for a PR to do but scummy? IMO no).

CKD claims this isn't the case.

Give a pro-town reason for CKD doing this.

the waters are muddied as hell with all these competing wagons.

I <3 competing wagons. Competing wagons are gold. I'm sorry your buddy is on one of them.

[Papa Zito]

Overdefensiveness FTW.

Vigs, you know what to do.

[Papa Zito]

Wow you sure dropped the venom quick. But I can't link that to a Wiki article so I guess it doesn't count.

so you're saying we shouldn't replace someone who hasn't posted in nearly a week (minus Night 3)?

Oh yes. I'm saying we should lynch the scum no matter how often they post. And save poor Plum the trouble of finding a replacement.

OMG I DARED TO DISAGREE ABOUT HOW WE SHOULD TREAT AN INACTIVE PLAYER?

What's funny was everything was cool until I dared to call you scum. (you can put that in ALL CAPS if you want)

I <3 these kinds of "lol ur scum" posts.

lol ur scum

[Papa Zito]

My vote hasn't moved. But I'll give a vig a dollar to put a bullet in his head.

[Papa Zito]

(Vig when I said people who start with C I didn't mean cyberbob that's a bad shot tia.)

BAD ZITO.

Wait for the Anon flip.

@Jack: Yeah, Starbuck's townie read has been steadily eroding as of late.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, have you ever been in a game with more than one vig?

Yup.

[Papa Zito]

I want you to provide a reason why it isnt protown (I understand it is all a guess, but you obvious think my action is scummy, so i want to see your line of thinking in the matter).

It isn't protown because, if you are town, then asking for a wagon/lynch on yourself doesn't further the town's goal of lynching scum. You should be pushing at suspects instead.

Man is my Wiki out of date. Link: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11588

Kinda wondering where you're going with this.

[Papa Zito]

At least I trust my meta reads on both Spy and Zito, people I can easily read.

!!

how sure are you of Jack towniness. Also thoughts of Iec.

Jack reads third party to me. He's being extremely careful not to say anything. I wouldn't cry if he showed up in the morgue but he's also not really a priority.

I don't have any issues with Iec really.

BTW, lots of people making possibly bad assumptions about the kills, so I'll just come out and say I vigged Nacho. But I can't vig again, which is unfortunate because BELIEVE ME I WOULD.

[Papa Zito]

Read Nacho's iso. Go on, I'll wait.

Back already?

That's why.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, why are you telling us this now...did it have anything to do with my question?

The nightkill question keeps coming up. "Hay guize, only 1 kill then 4 then 2, WHAT COULD IT MEAN???" We keep returning to it so I thought I'd thought I'd shed some light on the subject. I'm one-shot so I don't think sharing hurts anything really.

also, if you just had one shot, why waste is sooooooo early?

Wat.

The only way to waste a vig kill is to not use it. It does no good to get killed with it still sitting in my back pocket.

[Papa Zito]

@PZ, I dont understand the timing of why you said it. No one was basing votes or cases on the speculation of votes (as far as I can tell)..you coming out with the information, narrows possibilities.

Narrows the possibilities of what?

Re: timing. Like the vig shot itself I don't want this info to die when I do. Unless you're asking me why I came out with it now, well, I already answered that.

Not content with just going after me, now you're trying to smear farside. tsk tsk

[Papa Zito]

Saying why did I "waste" the shot and why would farside "accept the claim without a grain of salt" seems like you're trying to kill credibility to me.

If you're scum you're worried about how townies suddenly keep confirming each other. And so now you're doing everything you can to drive a wedge in there.

why is it poor taste for a vig to hit night 0 then?

It's not, as far as I know. I have a feeling you failed the newbie test.

If I started a game with a Night 0 and an Empking/zwet/Mufasa-type you can bet I'd be vigging that ass to Mexico. If not I might give it a day to decide who's the most useless.

@PZ, narrows the possibilites of who might have what roles (for scum)

Ohnoes. Now the scum don't have to be on the lookout for a one-shot vig anymore. Welp, time to hang me from the nearest noose then.

[Papa Zito]

Ugh. SpyreX, I wasn't really too hot on the whole Anon thing and I'm really losing interest now. Pedobear is reading town to me. Help me out here.

Lets just say I know both of you more than you think.

Tajo is the only player on the site (that I know of) who is capable of this. We'll see I guess.

Why is the scumtell careful.not.to.say.anything a thirdparty tell and not a mafia tell?

Mafia say things. Mafia try to get townies lynched. Jack isn't doing

anything

. Like, at all. But he's not doing anything VI-like, but instead not doing anything careful-like.

If we believe what ckd is saying about finding the claim strange and not scummy, why is ckdtown more interested in developing "strange" tells instead of scum tells?

This exactly. Your whole post really.

CKD, I want this explanation too.

Why is Budja on the Unbreakables TM?

Magic!

@Mod: Plz PM paypal instructions in return for moar viggings TIA

[Papa Zito]

how is it scumhunting if you don't htink it's scummy/

CKD informaiton wants to be free. Townies should tstop hoarding info like they do. That doesn't helpanywone but the scum.

I think if towns shared more there would be more town wins.

I want a town win here. So I shared. Why didn't I share before? I dunno, I had to decide about it. It wasn't really that important intil peopl ekept tlaking about it.

I'd hate for poeple to make pbad deicisions base don bad data. YO uknow?

[Papa Zito]

guys

I'm not scum.

I Don't think Anon is either

SPyreX why is Anon scum?

Vote Count 4 - 10: Lynch

curiouskarmadog - 3 - Budja, Kmd4390, Anon
Anon -

6

- SpyreX, Jack, Papa Zito, Starbuck, Iecerint, SocioPath
Iecerint - 2 - curiouskarmadog, xvart
Cobalt - 2 - farside22, J-Scope

Not Voting (4): MehPlusRawr, Cyberbob, Cobalt, ooba

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

[Papa Zito]

Why would a 1-shot invalidate other vigs.

There are lots of poeple to shoot here so we need lots fo vigs to shoo them.

[Papa Zito]

xvart?

xvart

xvart are you scum?

wow anon has a really good win/lss record

[Papa Zito]

if you yourself are a vig, why did you refer to other "vigs"? You think we might have more than 2 here?

We could. I don't know the setup.

guys

I'm not scum.

I Don't think Anon is either

That's quite a change of heart, what brought this on?

I wasn't terribly convinced before and I was drunk enough to blather that in the thread. "Why'd you vote him then PZ?" Cuz SpyreX said to really. An alliance of 2 is better than nothing.

Soo... Ice?

Meh. If we're just going to throw darts I'd rather lynch someone useless. Any of the C-Crew would be fine. Especially CKD since his stance really doesn't make any sense.

Not sure I get your concern, Kmd.

unvote: Anon

Vote Count 4 - 11: Lynch

curiouskarmadog - 3 - Budja, Kmd4390, Anon
Anon -

5

- SpyreX, Jack, Starbuck, Iecerint, SocioPath
Iecerint - 2 - curiouskarmadog, xvart
Cobalt - 2 - farside22, J-Scope
Starbuck - 1 - ooba

Not Voting (4): MehPlusRawr, Cyberbob, Cobalt, Papa Zito

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Xvart

's V/LA is noted.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

[Papa Zito]

Alright I'm tired of no one listening to me about this.

Kill: Cobalt

Woo

Suddenly things are happening!

[Papa Zito]

Well that was anticlimactic.

[Papa Zito]

I have a better idea.

Lynch CKD but make Iec hammer.

Good plan Y/y?

[Papa Zito]

No see that's why it's brilliant. That's a dead CKD AND a dead Iceman, unless CKD is lying of course.

Vote Count 4 - 13: Lynch

curiouskarmadog - 4 - Budja, Kmd4390, Anon, Iecerint
Anon - 1 - Starbuck
Iecerint -

5

- curiouskarmadog, xvart, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath
Cobalt - 1 - J-Scope
Starbuck - 3 - ooba, farside22, Jack,

Not Voting (3): MehPlusRawr, Cobalt, Papa Zito

With 17 players alive it'll take 9 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Xvart

's V/LA is noted.

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

[Papa Zito]

Seems the best explanation for him being so gung-ho about being lynched.

"You'll be sorry nyah nyah BOOM"

[Papa Zito]

ummm, PZ..

if your really thought I was an SS (I am neither confirming or denying this)..why are you communicating it? Isnt that part of the surprise (if that was indeed what I am)? How is it a good protown play?

I think you're scum. Or supersaint. Town wins either way with this plan.

vote: CKD

[Papa Zito]

Show me the light, ooba. Who should we lynch then?

[Papa Zito]

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time.

Oh crap deadline in 2 days. We need to get this show together kids.

[Papa Zito]

Math is hard.

Still though.

[Papa Zito]

would you have an objection to me chosing you hammers me?...if no why? ( I think these answers will be telling).

I'm choking on the grammar a bit but if I read this right you want to pick who hammers you. I'm not really getting the logic of this, please explain.

@Starbuck

: I'm cool with you being "lost" as that happens to me all the time. So here's what I want you to do: plz take a look at curiouskarmadog in isolation and tell me what his alignment is. Don't forget to use the proper TPS Report header.

[Papa Zito]

basically I am saying, if I was the supersaint,
would you have issue if I pick WHO hammers me? if so why?

Okay so in this hypothetical we're pretending you're town.

I'd have to know what your reads were. Because if I disagree with your reads then yeah I'd take issue.

[Papa Zito]

Er.

Not that Budja is the paragon of townieness but my magic says he's like ~70% town.

There are better lynches today.

[Papa Zito]

We went over this farside. Go read back if you forgot or something.

Unless this is still trust issues in which case I can't help you.

so you only want me to pick when you agree with the choice?

Correct.

Well. I really don't want you picking at all. But in your little dreamworld yeah.

the answer is yes or no, not "yes if..."

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

This really isn't hard, though you're trying your damndest to make it appear so (congrats to you I guess). There are three possibilities here:

1. You're scum. Does it matter who hammers you then? No, point is you die. Hooray!
2. You're a SS (townie or otherwise). Does it matter who hammers you then? Absolutely. If you are tow SS then I want scum to hammer you. So obviously I'll want a player who I think is most likely scum hammering, and so obviously I'll object if you pick someone like farside.
3. You're neither scum nor SS. Now you've just wasted everyone's time. Congratulations.

also PZ (and again, this is all "hypothetical") you have brought up that you think I am SS...based on something you might or might not have picked up on. And for whatever reason, you thought it was protown to bring that to everyone's attention (before I actually claimed ANYTHING)...

Sling that mud, baby.

Of course it's pro-town to direct killing roles. Hurp de durp.

now, lets "pretend" that all that is true (I am indeed a town SS)..do you think scum would have jumped on my wagon by now, or just avoid it completely? Curious.

I don't care if they're on it already or not. The point is you die and we direct the hammerer.

[Papa Zito]

We went over this farside. Go read back if you forgot or something.

Unless this is still trust issues in which case I can't help you.

so you only want me to pick when you agree with the choice?

Correct.

Well. I really don't want you picking at all. But in your little dreamworld yeah.

the answer is yes or no, not "yes if..."

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

This really isn't hard, though you're trying your damndest to make it appear so (congrats to you I guess). There are three possibilities here:

1. You're scum. Does it matter who hammers you then? No, point is you die. Hooray!
2. You're a SS (townie or otherwise). Does it matter who hammers you then? Absolutely. If you are tow SS then I want scum to hammer you. So obviously I'll want a player who I think is most likely scum hammering, and so obviously I'll object if you pick someone like farside.
3. You're neither scum nor SS. Now you've just wasted everyone's time. Congratulations.

also PZ (and again, this is all "hypothetical") you have brought up that you think I am SS...based on something you might or might not have picked up on. And for whatever reason, you thought it was protown to bring that to everyone's attention (before I actually claimed ANYTHING)...

Sling that mud, baby.

Of course it's pro-town to direct killing roles. Hurp de durp.

now, lets "pretend" that all that is true (I am indeed a town SS)..do you think scum would have jumped on my wagon by now, or just avoid it completely? Curious.

I don't care if they're on it already or not. The point is you die and we direct the hammerer.

[Papa Zito]

Deadline will be Wednesday May 10th at 8:26 Eastern Time. THAT'S TOMORROW, FOLKS!

Harf.

curiouskarmadog -

4

- Budja, Anon, Iecerint, Papa Zito
Iecerint -

4

- curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, SpyreX, SocioPath

We lynch CKD and Iec hammers Y/y?

[Papa Zito]

vig, plz kill kmd, tia.

This is not the worst idea.

Unvote Vote CKD

need a lynch and all that.

Twitch.

[Papa Zito]

"Need a lynch and all that" is just sooooooooo noncommittal tho. Hence the twitch.

[Papa Zito]

Was that the hammer?

Did Kmd just hammer?

After all that talk about wanting specific people to hammer?

You people. I swear.

[Papa Zito]

That's -1, Papa.

Good deal.

CKD, what was the point of all that crap if you don't have the silly thing?

[Papa Zito]

genius.

lol?

[Papa Zito]

Uh.

ITT ???????

[Papa Zito]

I just read back and things happened. Ok.

And I guess nobody's getting destroyed or resurrected today. Yeehaw.

[Papa Zito]

At 25 players, 4-4-17 doesn't seem too imbalanced.

SpyreX got to my WTF moment before I could.

@MPR - What did you do last night?

[Papa Zito]

THIS IS DUMB AND KMD IS DUMB.

That's not a claim.

Ok farside.

revive: Nacho
destroy: Elscouta

Reviving Nacho seems like such a waste though when the guy was useless.

[Papa Zito]

^^ lol

Someone tell me what we're doing. I'm willing to sheep along with whatever since everyone else seems much better informed than I am.

[Papa Zito]

K.

Not voting until the rest is done so we don't have a repeat of yesterday.

Sorry SP, but Spy done sank the Titanic already.

[Papa Zito]

Well shit we can't lynch Clifford.

[Papa Zito]

((test post?))

Vote Count 7 - 02: Lynch

MehPlusRawr -

1

- Budja

Not Voting (10): Starbuck, farside22, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Nachomamma8, Jack, J-Scope, SpyreX,

With 11 players alive it'll take 6 to lynch and 6 to no-lynch.

Vote Count 7 - 02: Destroy

Elscouta -

6

- SpyreX, J-Scope, Starbuck, farside22, Cyberbob, MehPlusRawr

Not Voting (5): Papa Zito, xvart, Nachomamma8, Jack, Budja

With 11 players alive it'll take 6 to Destroy. If a player has 6 or more votes to Destroy, the choice is locked in and that player will be fully killed and moved

Beyond the Circles of the World

when the lynch resolves.

Elscouta

will be Destroyed when the lynch resolves.

[Papa Zito]

Ok with massclaim.

Lost internet farside. I know why you're mad. :/

[Papa Zito]

I can go to speed things up, unless the order is holy or something.

[Papa Zito]

Arrite I'll just take a nap then.

BTW xvart claim is a good claim.

[Papa Zito]

zzzzz

[Papa Zito]

y halo thar



"There King Finrod Felagund, hastening from the south, was cut off from his people and surrounded with a small company in the Fen of Serech; and he would have been slain or taken, but Barahir came up with the bravest of his men and rescued him, and made a wall of spears about him; and they cut their way out of the battle with great loss. Thus Felagund escaped, and returned to his deep fortress of Nargothrond; but he swore an oath of abiding friendship and aid in every need to Barahir and all his kin, and in token of his vow he gave to Barahir his ring." (Silmarillion, 172)

So I'm Barahir, a townie bodyguard director. At night I protect someone, and if I'm right, one of my little bodyguardmen sacrifices themselves for the greater good.

My silmaril action is a 1-shot vig. Oh ho.

Night 1: Budja *
Night 2: ooba
Night 3: farside
Night 4: SpyreX
Night 5: SpyreX
Night 6: missed due to net issues, spozed to be Kmd :/

* Re: Budja's 70% town thing. Night 1 I protected him and elmocrates winds up dead. They were Gorlim, who according to Wikipedia is one of my boys as well. So either elmocrates was targeted directly

or

I used them to protect Budja from someone.

[Papa Zito]

What was with the "I was just about to ask the same question. MPR, what did you do last night?" if your role hasn't related you to me at all?

Wut?

[Papa Zito]

What was with the "I was just about to ask the same question. MPR, what did you do last night?" if your role hasn't related you to me at all?

Wut?

[Papa Zito]

^^^ Yup.

I've held the Silmaril since Night 2. And kept it out of the scum's grubby hands.

Now that you kids know I have it the best course of action may be to do a best-possible town lynch on me so that they don't grab it tonight.

[Papa Zito]

Oh. Yeah that works too.

[Papa Zito]

I know. You said as much in the QT. Feel free to berate me publicly anyway.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito - do you have any info about whether or not there are other bodyguards out there? You don't have to answer until after everyone is claimed but this is something I was wondering about.

I wasn't told who they were or how many. I also wasn't told what would happen if I ran out. I'd assume I'd go next but who knows.

I'm cool with the lynch Starbuck/shoot Jack plan. Also we're going to get an Elscouta flip so that will help.

[Papa Zito]

Holy crap. I only hit once, honest.

@Mod: Plz sweep my shame under the rug kthx

What shame?

[Papa Zito]

<3 Plum.

Yeah farside plan is a good plan. Not epic like the Plum Strategem of Zeta Sextantis but a good plan.

[Papa Zito]

I get the feeling I'm being played. BUT since everyone is following along I can just blame you lot in the afterlife afterparty.

Destroy: Jack

[Papa Zito]

You're scum is pretty impossible at this point? How you figure?

brb, wagons

[Papa Zito]

xvart - 2 -

FeFiFoFum

xofelf

- 13 -

SensFan

, Papa Zito, xvart, SpyreX,

Cobalt

, Cyberbob, ooba,

Steam-Powered Shovel

,

Elscouta

,

Elmocrates

, J-Scope, Budja, Kmd4390

Cobalt

- 1 -

Starbuck

Steam-Powered Shovel

- 8 - farside22,

SocioPath

, MehPlusRawr,

Drippereth

, Jack,

Iecerint

,

Anon

, curiouskarmadog

Elscouta

- 1 - Nachomamma8

Not Voting (1):

xofelf

J-Scope - 2 -

Cobalt

,

Starbuck

FeFiFoFum - 12 - J-Scope, curiouskarmadog,

Steam-Powered Shovel

,

Elscouta

, MehPlusRawr,

Iecerint

, ooba,

SocioPath

, SpyreX, Budja, Jack, Kmd4390

Elscouta

- 2 - Cyberbob,

FeFiFoFum

Not Voting (6):

Drippereth

, Papa Zito, xvart,

Anon

, Nachomamma8,

SensFan

,

Steam-Powered Shovel

- 10 - Jack, SpyreX, MehPlusRawr,

Cobalt

, Papa Zito,

SocioPath

,

Anon

,

Iecerint

, farside22, xvart
xvart - 1 - Kmd4390

Iecerint

- 4 - Cyberbob,

Starbuck

, curiouskarmadog
Jack - 1 -

Steam-Powered Shovel

curiousjarmadog - 1 - Budja

Not Voting (2):

SensFan

, ooba

curiouskarmadog - 9 - Budja,

Anon

, Papa Zito, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Cyberbob, J-Scope, Kmd4390,

Iecerint

Anon

- 1 -

Starbuck

Iecerint

- 1 -

SocioPath

Budja - 5 - ooba, farside22, xvart, Jack, curiouskarmadog

Not Voting (1):

Cobalt

Wow. The red guys sure enjoyed voting together.

[Papa Zito]

They voted with each other. A lot. Looks pretty deliberate.

vote: Budja

meh

[Papa Zito]

Red Team Appearances

Budja - 2
curiouskarmadog - 2
Cyberbob - 1
farside22 - 2
J-Scope - 2
Jack - 3
Kmd4390 - 2

MehPlusRawr - 4

Papa Zito - 2
ooba - 1
SpyreX - 3
xvart - 1

[Papa Zito]

Eh, whatever. You counted me twice on the SPS wagon, by the way.

No. Those were two different days.

Plus your soft defense of Anon and Iec early on are ehhhhhh

Then again you shot Anon and nobody's countered that unless I missed it.

dunno. It's Day 8. I can't handle Day 8.

[Papa Zito]

Mod's off learning things.

And sure I'll take credit for that. ?

I just have this horrible feeling I'm going to wake up to a pile of dead townies tomorrow. Or not wake up at all.

We've flipped:
- 2 orange PRs
and
- 2 red goons
- 1 red PR

There's at least 1 more orange and 1 more red out there. The three kids sitting in limbo makes this wacky but having just one kill (MPR) with 1 vig + 2 scum groups left just seems off. Maybe I'm just paranoid but damn.

[Papa Zito]

Hum. That's right, we didn't.

Arrite.

[Papa Zito]

Oh thank goodness this is over.

I played horribly and I apologize to everyone for it. The limited reveal mechanic really really threw me off.