Lay of Leithian Mafia: Game Over!

[Starbuck]

Vote: Steam Powered Shovel

There were none of those in Tolkien's books.

[Starbuck]

vote starbuck

eat your heart out
you've been a bad, bad girl

/confused



Just woke up, catching up on the rest after I get back from PT.

[Starbuck]

Are serious votes really being placed about the first RVS post in the game?

Instead of questioning the person suspected, overreaction and opportunism reign.

[Starbuck]

Instead of questioning the person suspected, overreaction and opportunism reign.

Opportunism? Every time I see that word used it is not in a positive light. Aka, opportunism = scummy.

Who's being opportunistic and why not vote for them?

All those that voted because of Elscouta's "Hi, scumbuddy!" post.

And I haven't voted for any of them because there's more than 1 and besides that I really don't have reads yet.

If Escoul is scum, then Starbuck is scum with 'im.

It's sad how you can never read me.

Are serious votes really being placed about the first RVS post in the game?

Instead of questioning the person suspected, overreaction and opportunism reign.

If Escoul is scum, then Starbuck is scum with 'im.

Starbuck used similar rhetoric as town ("Bella's Mom") D1 in Twilight IIRC. D1 lynch.

I wouldn't say it was similiar at all. The incident there occurred during confirmations, and was a completely different situation than the current one at hand.

Are serious votes really being placed about the first RVS post in the game?

Are you seriously questions serious votes being placed about the first rvs post in the game?

Also 'Overreaction and opportunism' are lovely buzz words, but really I don't see either of them being applicable. Examples.

Overreaction to what he said, thus the bandwagon on him.

And opportunism because it's the pushing of something easy.

[Starbuck]

That's not how I was like at all and what an inaccurate way to represent me. Zwet claimed while we were still in confirmations. Game play was not supposed to begin yet and instead of PMing the mod, he decided to post in thread and thus reveal his role prior to gameplay beginning.

When EK replaced, I did want to give her a clean slate to start from, especially after all the fucktarded things that Zwet did. I truly felt, and still feel, that he ruined the game and that led to my eventual lynch.



I just don't see the similarities between the above situation and this game.

[Starbuck]

I also believe you are inaccurately representing me here. "LET'S NOT ALL GET CAUGHT UP IN RVS GUYS" is not what I meant at all. It was pretty obvious that he was joking in that post, and quite a few people took it seriously and as a scum tell and ran with it. That's where I feel the opportunism and overreaction came from.

Instead of asking for him to clarify, they jumped all over him. People that are normally cautious about that type of thing.



So no, the premise between this game and Twilight is definitely NOT the same.

[Starbuck]

It's RVS isn't it normal for people to be jumpy? Otherwise I see most games where people sit on their ass's trying to initiate discussion while scum do nothing but lurk.

Yes, it's definitely normal for people to be jumpy, but this reasoning is some of the weakest I've seen.

I think people calling it a scum tell and pushing it as scum is over the top.

This is exactly what I was trying to say.

[Starbuck]

Are you still harping on a game that occurred forever ago?

You are making this into a huge distraction for this game.

[Starbuck]

I mean, is there a point to you dragging this on? Because I still feel that the situations are different, no matter what quotes you pull out of the Twilight game.

What I said there is in a completely different context than what is going on in this game.

[Starbuck]

J-Scope, I know that Zwet wasn't the cause of my lynch in that game. But that situation was the start of what would eventually lead to my lynch. Are we done with this distraction now? We have a game at hand, and discussing a game that ended over six months ago is not going to get us anywhere here.

[Starbuck]

How was everyone's holiday weekend? My hubby made some awesome ham yesterday. =)

Catching back up due to my absence over the weekend.




First off,

Unvote

it's time to be rid of my RVS vote.

On ooba

- @Ooba: Nice way to enter in the game by voting for the largest wagon. Would you care to say a bit more?

I entered the game - looked at the most recent post with a vote count - saw who had the most votes - looked at number of votes to lynch and realized he could use some more pressure ..

So why would you need to place more pressure on someone if you didn't even read through the game to see why he was being voted in the first place?

Whats wrong with serious votes in RVS stage - we get over random voting faster and actual discussion can start
FOS: Starbuck

That is not what I was saying at all. Nice misrepresentation.


Also, if you are going to do a big catch up like that, can you list who wrote the posts you are talking about along with the #? It would be a lot less confusing that way.

On Jack

So far the only thing I have to say is, breadcrumbing your role if you're a cop is stupid.

Why would you even say something like this?

I completely agree with Spyre's questioning of you...

If you THOUGHT you saw it from someone this game, why would you make any mention of it?'

My motivation of asking you why you'd bludgeon the thread with "Someone claimed cop PS scum get a readin!"?

You ask him in Post 164 of why doesn't he share his motivation, when he already did in the above quote from Post 161.

I'm not liking your near constant deflection of Spyre's questions to you through the rest of page 7.


In Post 256, Jack votes Cyberbob "for being rude among other things". Some contribution and especially, A CASE, would be most delightful.

FOS: Jack

On Cobalt

What's with all the voting and unvoting, but not saying a word?

all these arguments are stupid. cyberbob's post is scummy. bob is scum please kill him

Why don't you do more than just unvote and vote. Contribution is key.

stop being bad at this game.

Posts like this do nothing to help the town.

Vote: Cobalt

On Drippereth

Papa Zito is scum. Can we lynch him? He's not even pretending to be a townie.

How so?

On Cyberbob

Don't like all the talk about previous games and whatnot in the middle of Page 5, I don't really see that it has much relevance to this one.

Agreed. I still don't understand why it was brought up in the first place. I see no correlation.

On Elscouta

Please list a name with the Post #. Some of them are easy to figure out who, but it would make it easier on everyone, if you could list the person who wrote the post that you are referring to.


Can someone sum up the case on xvart for me?

[Starbuck]

And Spyre, how about this...

[Starbuck]

Also, on Cobalt, he has a grand total of 6 posts in the game...

Post 1 - his RVS on me

vote starbuck

eat your heart out
you've been a bad, bad girl

Post 2

unvote vote kmd

Post 3

unvote vote cyberbob

Post 4

Sorry about the posting gap, Easter weekend is a busy one for me.

I'll post something more substantial tomorrow (too tired to focus on very many things atm) but I do want to just look at this:

I'm scum and don't want people to realize you've figured out my entire scum team's plot to make you look as bad as possible by piling every single one of our votes on you.

And say lol? I don't even know how to react to this because

nobody

is dumb enough to say this unsarcastically; but on the other hand you aren't showing any objective signs of actually being sarcastic.

all these arguments are stupid. cyberbob's post is scummy. bob is scum please kill him

Post 5

Lack of attention on Xofelf needs some remedying.
Steamshovel can wait.

Unvote, Vote Xofelf

Also, Cyberbob, Sociopath = town

stop being bad at this game

Post 6
Which is his image that he provides for Spyre.

[Starbuck]

I'm not so sure on the Jack wagon because I have seen him do similar things in other games and come up as town. As someone who has a typically scummy meta when I'm town and the fact that I've seen something like this before from Jack, I probably won't support his lynch.

[Starbuck]

I can't give you names because they are ongoing.

[Starbuck]

All this out of game drama is a mega distraction

[Starbuck]

Aren't you always looking forward to that PZ?

But since Faraday is a part of that hydra and Faraday always finds me scummy, it's not surprising, really.

[Starbuck]

Farside, they are both bringing their personal issues into the game.

I really don't understand how people can be all over one of them, but not the other.

[Starbuck]

Farside, they are both bringing their personal issues into the game.

I really don't understand how people can be all over one of them, but not the other.

Thats the point Star. I saw papa call out elf on this but said nothing about sens doing the same. Why are some people ignoring one over the other?

I'm not sure. Maybe they are focusing on the one that started making a bigger deal out of it first?

I just want it to stop or I want them both to replace out, so that they don't ruin the enjoyability of the game.

[Starbuck]

Or we can just lynch both of em and be done with it.

[Starbuck]

Sorry guys, uber busy weekend.

On Xofelf

Lack of xofelf wagon makes me unhappy. No names now, but I dislike the people who just ignore her wagon more over the people who are vocally against it. So yah, I've been suprised over how hard it has been to build.

Right now, to me, it feels that the Elf wagon is more like vengeance on Sens' part, rather than actual gameplay. That's why I'm staying away.

I don't blame her for not wanting to post if it's going to turn into some kind of personal issue every time.

Elf: I would like your view on who you think is scum. You have been hoovering on not voting since the game started.

This.

Mod: Is there any chance of just replacing both Sens and Xof? The personal bs that is going on in this game is unreal and detracting from play.

On Xvart

Starbuck - do you think at least one of them is scum?

Right now, it's all null to me, because as I said above, it feels like a whole bunch of emotionally charged bs in all honesty.

On J-Scope

the whole thing just fucking baffles me and seems like one big distraction.

Which is what I said from the get go.

On Ooba

Well what exactly were you trying to say? I've reproduced your earlier post below.

If you can go back far enough to pull my first post up, then you obviously have no issue reading in ISO and seeing exactly what I meant to say.

On Drippereth

...like he'd rather lurk unmolested.

I giggled at this.

[Starbuck]

I use my brain every time. Quit with the douchebaggery.

Just because you want to sit here and insult Elf, doesn't mean you can sit here and insult everyone else.

[Starbuck]

I really don't know the case on Shovel.

[Starbuck]

/sigh

[Starbuck]

Revive: farside22

FFF, it's better to give important information earlier than later. Why should we be voting J-Scope?

[Starbuck]

Vote J-Scope

That's all I needed FFF, thank you.

[Starbuck]

J-Scope is a hydra. They have been referring to themselves as "we're" and such for awhile now.

[Starbuck]

J-Scope is a hydra. They have been referring to themselves as "we're" and such for awhile now.

well that makes since....thought I caught a slip.

If you were paying attention to the game, you wouldn't have had to ask that this far along.

[Starbuck]

Sorry guys, I fell a bit behind. Also, when I came back to catch up on Monday, the thread was locked.



I definitely see why everyone switched to FFFF, had I been here, I would have done the same.


Also with the fact of xofelf flipping town, I am definitely sure that scum was behind that very opportunistic lynch.

Destroy: FFFF

@xvart -

I'm thinking maybe we should destroy Escouta instead of FFFF.

Why?

It's based on introspection. I personally have a habit of (barring special circumstances) avoiding my scumgames relative to my towngames. (I also ignore VT games relatively more, but your posts imply that that does not parsimoniously explain your behavior IMO.)

I'm not disputing that you posted relatively few times, or that your lack of access was legitimate. I'm pointing out that your time management choices reflect poorly on your alignment.

I think you are going a bit overboard with this, Iec. You can't hold what games someone catches up with first against them. I know that I normally save my big catch up games until later, especially if I am at work.

I do agree with the fact that he was gone for all of yesterday and that warrants suspicion, but not the order in which he caught up on his games.

You are reaching a lot with this issue.

Yep, I think it's appropriate. My assumption is that most players tend to have that tendency. Are you saying that you do not have that tendency?

I don't have to make the other assumption at all, though I grant that that information would be helpful.

Let's look at the keyword in all of this...

ASSUMPTION

Vote: Iecerint

[Starbuck]

Apparently, you didn't notice that I think his absence for an entire day warrants suspicion.

Whether you think I'm providing excuses for him or not, this is a distracting topic. It's not the fact that he was posting in other games. You are getting annoyed because he didn't catch up here first, rather than being suspicious of his active lurking in this game.

Also, what don't I have against assumptions? You should never assume anything.

[Starbuck]

Revive: J-Scope

Iec, why are you trying so desperately to put words in my mouth?

[Starbuck]

Xvart - my one issue with you is that if you go V/LA. You are V/LA from all your games. You don't pick and choose.

I did use msutils.net and see that you hadn't posted in this game since Sunday, April 11th, but you had enough time to post in your other games all last week, which was more than just posting in your Newbie game as you previously state. You have 19 posts in those other games before the Newbie one starts on Thursday.

You don't post anything after Friday, the 16th and offer your "I'll be back tonight and post then" posts in each of your games on Sunday, the 18th. You posted in your other games and didn't post here until today.

[Starbuck]

Iecerint, I'm disputing the fact that you jumped on xvart NOT about his obvious active lurking, but about which game he was catching up with first.

It makes no sense!

Why are you jumping all over him about that when you should be jumping all over him about active lurking?

[Starbuck]

My definition of "active lurking" is not posting in one game while posting in other games. I agree that that is what xvart has done. I didn't use that phrase specifically at first because the circumstances are a little different ("active lurking" tends to imply that the preferential treatment of games takes place over an extended period of time, whereas this case refers to preferential treatment in 2 specific short-term instances).

In other words, I think his behavior is functionally equivalent to active lurking, and I agree that that is the scummy part.

What 2 specific short term instances?

His last legitimate post was on April 11th. He did not post again until April 18th which was "I will catch up later" and then he finally posted substance today. In grand total, that's 10 days! How is that not an extended period of time?

[Starbuck]

You really want to combat this, xvart?

You had time between your post on the 11th and when the thread locked on the 13th. You have 6 posts in other games during this time.

You also had time between when the thread unlocked on the 15th and when it locked on the 18th. You had 2 posts on the 16th in other games.


Why would'nt you have stopped in here while you were on the site during those times?

[Starbuck]

Not all of those timestamps fall into when this thread was locked.

[Starbuck]

Unvote Destroy FFFF

[Starbuck]

^ We could get a full modkill on FFFF, and functionally pick up an extra reveal.

This.

Vote Count 3 - 03: Lynch

Steam-Powered Shovel - 1 - Jack
xvart - 1 - Iecerint
Iecerint -

4

- SocioPath, Cyberbob, Starbuck, Papa Zito
Jack - 1 - Steam-Powered Shovel
Kmd4390 - 1 - farside22

Not Voting (13): MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, xvart, Anon, curiouskarmadog, SensFan, Budja, Cobalt, ooba, Kmd4390,

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to lynch and 9 to no-Lynch.

Vote Count 3 - 03: Revive

J-Scope -

7

- Iecerint, curiouskarmadog, Cyberbob, Steam-Powered Shovel, Starbuck, xvart, ooba, Jack,

Drippereth - 1 - Kmd4390

Not Voting (10): farside22, MehPlusRawr, SpyreX, Papa Zito, Anon, SensFan, Budja, Cobalt, SocioPath,

With 18 players alive it'll take 10 to revive. If a player has over 10 to Revive, the choice is locked in and that player will be revived and return to the game proper when the lynch resolves.

[Starbuck]

Why are none of our lynch votes counting?

Look at the top post on this page where the mod editted in the count.

[Starbuck]

So when was the last time we heard from Sens? Now that elf flipped village, he is very high on my suspect list.

[Starbuck]

Can someone explain the case on SPS?

[Starbuck]

I AM STILL REQUESTING THE CASE ON SPS.

[Starbuck]

Going to be catching up a bit later, too many walls for me to get through while I'm at work.

[Starbuck]

Thank you, Iec, for giving me somewhat of an idea about what the SPS wagon is about.

On xvart

Post 1092 - Lawl @ xvart whining about not sitting at the cool table at lunch.

Don't pay it any mind guy.




@Jack - What's your case on SPS?



And did anyone notice Cobalt hop in on Post 1156 to vote for SPS and not say a word?

[Starbuck]

secret scumtell TM.

I'm not sensing support for an SPS wagon. I'm finding it hard to support too.

Time for the Big Reveal.

This.

[Starbuck]

Wasn't it FFFF (who now flipped town) that had a track on J-Scope?

[Starbuck]

Destroy: SPS

[Starbuck]

Vote: Anon

[Starbuck]

Looking over the player list I feel pretty good about a lot of people. Except I notice starbuck now. Tons of posting day 1, active lurking since then.

Not so much active lurking, but just completely fucking lost with this game.



I seriously have no issue being lynched. I'm not a PR of any kind and just a VT. I have a staunch "I don't replace out policy", so my apologies for everything just being over my head right now.

4. Starbuck, hi. - scumlist and reasons for your vote in your following post, tia.

Because you asked....nah.

Starbuck is not the only scum in this group. Jack, Iec? Spy, Zito, Path how sure are you of Jack towniness. Also thoughts of Iec.

If you tell me why I'm scum (minus me not being around so much), I'll tell you why I think you are scum.

And if I'm scum, why isn't your vote on me?

[Starbuck]

It probably doesn't mean much, but I plan to do a thorough re-read over this weekend.

[Starbuck]

J-Scope, the insults are unwarranted.

How did I actively hurt my faction?

[Starbuck]

She may say board. I saw scum.

I guess it's too much to hope (and playing so many games with you) that you would actually know how I am by now.

FOS: All of those voting for me based on me just being lost

Starbuck, why not just leave it at that and try to regroup?

That's wtf I'm trying to do, but when I see things like...

SB has a meta of being useless

It's makes me not really want to put in the effort to regroup if I'm just going to get fucking insulted.



Also, you talked about the SPS case. I WAS NOT the only one who was asking about the basis of that case. Because I did read back and I didn't understand it.

[Starbuck]

I knew my suspicion of Anon wasn't unfounded.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Iec

Revive: Nacho

[Starbuck]

Just a reminder from our Town Confirmed Drippereth....

TOMORROW
(1) Don't mess up reviving Nacho tomorrow.
(2) Destroy Icerink
(3) Lynch xvart


FOLLOWING DAY(s)
(1) Consider reviving CKD
(2) Destroy Ooba
(3) Lynch MPR, Budja or Cyberbob.

[Starbuck]

Revive Nacho
Destroy: Iec

[Starbuck]

Oh I see now, forgive me for not reading the first page.

UnDestroy: Iec
Destroy: Ooba

[Starbuck]

V/LA Starting now until Tuesday May 25th.

We have a big on base festival this weekend and I work for Security. So I'll either be on patrol or volunteering at one of our booths

[Starbuck]

Sorry that I wasn't around at the end of day yesterday guys.

Spyre, why are you destroying Elsca and not Socio?

Destroy: SocioPath
Revive: KMD

[Starbuck]

I'm sorry. I fail.

UnDestroy: Socio, Destroy: Elsca

[Starbuck]

Lets go with the list and maybe a prod on starbuck

mod: prod starbuck please

How can you ask for a prod on me on this day when I posted on the same day?

That's rather annoying.

[Starbuck]

How can xvart claim vanilla if he has some kind of ability?

[Starbuck]

I am fully claimed.

[Starbuck]

Also for the record, I did state via Post 1828, that I was...

V/LA Starting now until Tuesday May 25th.

We have a big on base festival this weekend and I work for Security. So I'll either be on patrol or volunteering at one of our booths

But notice how no one remembers that.

[Starbuck]

Oh nvm, I'm half asleep. It's 5 am here. Give me a sec.

[Starbuck]

"His wife was named Eilinel, and their love was great, ere evil befell. But Gorlim returning from the war upon the marches found his house plundered and forsaken, and his wife gone; whether slain or taken he knew not." (Silmarillion, 162)

I am Eilinel, Town Vanilla, Race of Men.


My Silmaril bonus ability is the same as xvart's. A one-shot chance at lowering the vote threshold on any of the vote counts.


I do not have that Protect ability that he's talking about.

[Starbuck]

you've claimed your character, image from role pm and everything else in your role pm?

Please read the post directly above this.

[Starbuck]

I got a one-shot track from j-scope earlier and used it to track SpyreX to Anon.

This is interesting. No where in Spyre's claim does he mention Anon.

Vote Count 7 - 04: Lynch

MehPlusRawr -

1

- Budja

Not Voting (10): Starbuck, farside22, MehPlusRawr, Papa Zito, Cyberbob, xvart, Nachomamma8, Jack, J-Scope, SpyreX,

With 11 players alive it'll take 6 to lynch and 6 to no-lynch.

[Starbuck]

I just realized how retarded I am.

I was looking at PZ's post and going "But he claimed he targeted Farside Night 3".

[Starbuck]

This game has me all spun about with all the crazy abilities and me having absolutely no info other than the thread itself.

[Starbuck]

I claimed VT well before xvart ever claimed.

But if the town feels that the best way to diminish suspicion is to be rid of me then so be it.

[Starbuck]

I'm still so lost on this game anyways that death would be a release.

But I'm still not the scum you guys are looking for.

[Starbuck]

V/LA for Memorial Day Weekend - I'll be in and out, but in case I don't end up being around, I don't want to get shit for not posting a V/LA.

[Starbuck]

On the ability thing, I don't have a unique one.

Maybe by lynching me, that'll prove that I was right and then you can catch the real scum.

I want to help the town win, but not when I can't prove that I don't have an ability, and that's going to be held against me.

[Starbuck]

I have that bonus.

It's all I have.


Just lynch me already since it's apparent you won't listen to me.

[Starbuck]

PZ!

We got your point!

Sheesh... =P

[Starbuck]

There won't be a Starbuck scumflip, but the distraction of myself needs to go and I understand that.

Vote: Starbuck

I am not self-voting to purposely go against my wincon.

[Starbuck]

Yeah, so not really having any background information at all due to QTs or powers. I was lost by like Day 4. My apologies guys.