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Post Post #1925 (ISO) » Wed May 26, 2010 4:33 pm

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Oh right sorry, I missed farside's up there.

I'm Mablung, Elf. I know that Huan is in the game; if they die I gain their vig powers (I don't know if I would have also died if I'd killed Carcharoth).

If I get the Silmaril I can investigate people's roles.

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"Alone of the messengers Mablung, chief captain of the King, escaped, and he brought the dread tidings to Thingol." (Silmarillion, 184).

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Post Post #1926 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 6:40 am

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I realized from my other hypothesis and the idea of 4 scum per team that there's probably one werewolf scum left. All my Carcharoth stuff is speculation, but I'm pretty sure Carch or the entire werewolf mafia needed to kill me for some reason or other. I just realized that if there is another werewolf, he's alive, because werewolf mafia members won't be elves in the Hall of Mandos. I think that there's a chance of Cyber being the last werewolf scum, if only for the reason that his role makes it look okay for me to die. Of course, there's a chance that he's telling the truth, but someone who could be an unlimited vig and cop at the same time seems a little overpowered. He may be trying just to get the Silmaril by showing a good ability from him having it. (Terrible grammar, sorry)


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Post Post #1927 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 6:52 am

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I realized from my other hypothesis and the idea of 4 scum per team that there's probably one werewolf scum left. All my Carcharoth stuff is speculation, but I'm pretty sure Carch or the entire werewolf mafia needed to kill me for some reason or other. I just realized that if there is another werewolf, he's alive, because werewolf mafia members won't be elves in the Hall of Mandos. I think that there's a chance of Cyber being the last werewolf scum, if only for the reason that his role makes it look okay for me to die. Of course, there's a chance that he's telling the truth, but someone who could be an unlimited vig and cop at the same time seems a little overpowered. He may be trying just to get the Silmaril by showing a good ability from him having it. (Terrible grammar, sorry)


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Post Post #1928 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 7:42 am

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It's not really a full cop ability, MPR - it's only a role investigation. No alignment info is involved.
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Post Post #1929 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 7:45 am

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Welp nothing has changed and because of Drippeth I believe Nacho may be town but I think a claim is in order from him.

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Post Post #1930 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:08 am

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farside22 wrote:I don't believe her claim. I give a cookie to the first person to tell me why that is.
Well she was the 2nd person to claim vanilla townie, and she claimed the same silmaril power as xvart before her. But after that we've seen more vanilla townies and they have had unique silmaril abilities. (jack has motivate, budja is redirector)

Which means Starbuck-scum might have been given a fakeclaim in the form of a character name and picture, but didn't know that all vanilla's aren't created equal. And if she was scum with a silmaril power, it might not be a pro-town one. Is that what you're thinking?
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Post Post #1931 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:19 am

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"Then Thingol was filled with fear and wonder; and because he would not deprive Lúthien of the lights of heaven, lest she fail and fade, and yet would restrain her, he caused a house to be built from which she could not escape." (Silmarillion, 172)


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Post Post #1932 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:21 am

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J-Scope wrote:
farside22 wrote:I don't believe her claim. I give a cookie to the first person to tell me why that is.
Well she was the 2nd person to claim vanilla townie, and she claimed the same silmaril power as xvart before her. But after that we've seen more vanilla townies and they have had unique silmaril abilities. (jack has motivate, budja is redirector)

Which means Starbuck-scum might have been given a fakeclaim in the form of a character name and picture, but didn't know that all vanilla's aren't created equal. And if she was scum with a silmaril power, it might not be a pro-town one. Is that what you're thinking?
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Post Post #1933 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:39 am

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That cookie looks amazing.
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Post Post #1934 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:24 am

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Jack wrote:That cookie looks amazing.
This.

Yeah, Starbuck is worth lynching.
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Post Post #1935 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:36 am

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Sorry to make all drool. I do love chocolate chip cookies. mmmmmm

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Post Post #1936 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:38 am

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Sorry to make all drool. I do love chocolate chip cookies. mmmmmm

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Post Post #1937 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 12:08 pm

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Can we get a nacho prod? I just want to get a full mesh of whats going on.

I'm about 90% certain one of Starbuck/Xvart is scum. I'm leaning Starbuck.
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Post Post #1938 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 2:46 pm

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Nachomamma8
has been prodded.


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Post Post #1939 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 3:39 pm

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Budja wrote:Sorry, insanely busy.

Claim:

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What's a redirector? Isn't that like a busdriver, which is a scum role?
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Post Post #1940 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 5:55 pm

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Redirectors change the target of a person's ability, bus drivers switch around two people such that any abilities targeted at one will affect the other and vice versa. And no, I've seen both scum and town versions of both roles though I will grant you that they're more likely to be a scum role than something like a Doctor.
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Post Post #1941 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 6:38 pm

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^That. It's more powerful as a scum role but def. not exclusive to scum.

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vote Starbuck
, repeated ability is solid enough for me.

Also, xvart seems linked (ability-wise) to Zito. Not interested in lynching.
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Post Post #1942 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:28 pm

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While waiting for nacho I think its time to play connect the dots.

Starbuck - Eilinel, Man, Vanilla, 1-Shot Vote Threshold Lowerer
farside22 - Silmaril, Jewels, Neighborizer
MehPlusRawr - Huan, Hound, Vigilante, Unblockable
SpyreX - Thingol, Elf, Jailkeeper, Double Jailkeeper
Papa Zito - Barahir, Man, Bodyguard Director, 1-shot vig
Cyberbob - Mablung, Elf, Backup Vigilante, Rolecop
xvart - Dairuin, Man, Bodyguardee, 1-Shot Vote Threshold Lowerer
Nachomamma8 - Lazy, Lazy, Day-lazerizer (I know who he better damn well claim but we'll see)
Jack - Edrahil, Elf, Vanilla, Motivate
Budja - ???, Eagle, Vanilla, Redirector
J-Scope - Celebrimbor, Elf, Inventor, 1-Shot Double Invention

Then in the pit:

Elscouta - ?????
CKD - A Servant of Thingol, Elf, Vanilla, ?
Ooba - Daeron, Elf, Voyeur, Roleblock
KMD - ?????

I was going to do more wild and wacky fun breakdowns but lets look at some key issues (since I know TM what nacho is going to claim).

Starbuck - Scum. We'll go ahead and say the "Odd man out" if you will. Gorlim & Xvart are the guards for Zito's Barahir. Drip is the protagonist. Starbuck? Just some dude.

Jack - Way up the scum charts. One simple reason: every named elf has a power. The vanillas were truly vanilla in elfland.

If its not one of those two its one of the pit. It has to be. Everything else adds up too well. If all those were gone and it was still going errr Budja? Maybe.

JScope, MPR and Cyberbob be my most town reads post-claim. I DO want the other J-scope powers known to see how to dance the dance from here on.

I'll admit I'd love a way to get that sweet sweet farside in my hands. Double jailing hoo.

So, basic thoughts:

Lynch Starbuck. MPR shoots Jack. I can jail PZ.

Next day, no raise unless its J-Scope (or me ;) ) that dies. Proceed to destroy CKD. Lynch / Kill non-elves.
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Post Post #1943 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:28 pm

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Haha a bit retarded. Destroy Jack, not CKD tomorrow.
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Post Post #1944 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:47 pm

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I claimed VT well before xvart ever claimed.

But if the town feels that the best way to diminish suspicion is to be rid of me then so be it.
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Post Post #1945 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:49 pm

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Its not the timing of your claim. Its the simple fact you're missing the piece the others have that conjoin them all.
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Post Post #1946 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 8:57 pm

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I'm still so lost on this game anyways that death would be a release.

But I'm still not the scum you guys are looking for.
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Post Post #1947 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:40 pm

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V/LA for Memorial Day Weekend - I'll be in and out, but in case I don't end up being around, I don't want to get shit for not posting a V/LA.
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Post Post #1948 (ISO) » Thu May 27, 2010 10:43 pm

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On the ability thing, I don't have a unique one.

Maybe by lynching me, that'll prove that I was right and then you can catch the real scum.

I want to help the town win, but not when I can't prove that I don't have an ability, and that's going to be held against me.
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Post Post #1949 (ISO) » Fri May 28, 2010 12:48 am

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@Jack, what does motivate do?
SpyreX wrote:Jack - Way up the scum charts. One simple reason: every named elf has a power. The vanillas were truly vanilla in elfland.
Because we've seen two other vanilla elves (one confirmed/one not) and they were called "Servant of Thingol (xofelf, CKD)? Possibly, but I'm a little less sure on that because I assume scum have fakeclaims here. And if not, scum still might have seen xofelf's rolename as something generic that could be reproduced.

On the other hand if scum have a character name, they might think it gives them more value. And if they were elf-scum, they wouldn't claim man in case they ended up in mandos. So I can see Jack being a good vig kill.
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