Mini 927: Alabama Correctional Facility - OVER

[SpyreX]

@Mod:

With someone removed, how do you want us to do it? 1-11 with them totally removed or?

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Once I get that cleared up, yea, I'm shoving the hacker to the back of the line.

Max's post does all those things that are just awesome.

[Ellibereth]

Shove:
UncertainKitten 4
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 1
Jahudo 6
SpyreX 5
Max 2
farside22 8
HackerHuck 11
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 3
Grimmy 9

[DrippingGoofball]

@Mod:

With someone removed, how do you want us to do it? 1-11 with them totally removed or?

Remove them please!

[UncertainKitten]

Shove
1. UncertainKitten 11
2. Minineko 9
3. Ellibereth 6
4. Jahudo 4
5. SpyreX 3
6. Max 2
7. farside22 1
8. HackerHuck 11
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 9
10. Cobalt 8
12. Grimmy 5

I'm going back to uncertain kitten who was flipping out when pwn quoted his pm there and saying she assumed scum was giving a safe claim.

Excuse me if I assumed someone who looks incredibly desperate to prove they are town was scum. You know, since scum

totally

don't want to actually seem town, ne?

I'd almost say that makes you scummy for ignoring that aspect.

Also, why two 11s, and why is Ellibereth, who came to the same conclusion, not number 10?

Your reasoning becomes less and less sensical given your shove order.

Ellibereth, you wanted to damn Hucker no matter WHAT he said. If pwn had flipped scum you'd accuse him of being a scumbuddy. Not sure I like that.

Once I get that cleared up, yea, I'm shoving the hacker to the back of the line.

Why? Not necessarily saying he's clean, I'm just curious what the case is.

Oh, obviously I'm back. Got off on good behavior .

[Ellibereth]

Ellibereth, you wanted to damn Hucker no matter WHAT he said. If pwn had flipped scum you'd accuse him of being a scumbuddy.

Eh what? Where did you get that from?

[UncertainKitten]

Eh what? Where did you get that from?

The way you said that Hucker was scum because he knew pwn was town.

[Ellibereth]

Eh what? Where did you get that from?

The way you said that Hucker was scum because he knew pwn was town.

Nono, where did you get that I would think Hacker was scum if pman was scum.
I said that Hacker is scum because pman is town.

[UncertainKitten]

Nono, where did you get that I would think Hacker was scum if pman was scum.
I said that Hacker is scum because pman is town.

Because that's the tone you conveyed. That you wanted to damn Hacker no matter WHAT pwnman flipped.

[Ellibereth]

Pwnman, can you respond to post 152?

He also paraphrased your comment on me. Or if it wasn't yours, it was someone elses.

I'm not much liking Mega Pimp and SpyreX on the last couple of pages. Cobalt and pwnman seem OK to me

^^^ Ridiculously Scummy post now.
Who would say that pwnman looked "OK" when he was acting irrational and absolutely ridiculous? Oh yeah, that's right! Scum, who would know he was town.

Reshoving.

^^^ Here right?
Bleh, I don't see it. If pwnman flipped scum I would be thinking that his buddies would be bussing by then, not defending.
Whatevs.

[UncertainKitten]

^^^ Here right?
Bleh, I don't see it. If pwnman flipped scum I would be thinking that his buddies would be bussing by then, not defending.
Whatevs.

I actually meant your post at the bottom of page 8. And why would they bus pwnman (if he were scum) and

specifically reveal they have falseclaims?

Whatever, this is conjecture at this point.

[farside22]

Excuse me if I assumed someone who looks incredibly desperate to prove they are town was scum. You know, since scum totally don't want to actually seem town, ne?

I'd almost say that makes you scummy for ignoring that aspect.

Also, why two 11s, and why is Ellibereth, who came to the same conclusion, not number 10?

Your reasoning becomes less and less sensical given your shove order.

No you assumed scum was given a claim by this statement

Oh, it's certainly not proof he's town. I'm assuming DGB gave falseclaims to the scum. And "proving you are town" with a role PM quote does feel desperate.

I made an error with posting number hacker would be towards the back of the line but you would be at the end.
You also said the following:

You just quoted your Role PM, didn't you?

How would you know it was quoted? Then go and say that scum was given a safe claim after the fact?

[UncertainKitten]

How would you know it was quoted? Then go and say that scum was given a safe claim after the fact?

Um...what are you even asking here? It was CLEARLY a role PM quote, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a REAL PM. I don't know about YOU, but if anyone quotes ANY PMs, real or false, in my games, and I'm not allowing role PM quoting, they get modkilled.

Hence, it was fail no matter what.

Further, either read a Tar game or read some of my previous games.

He and I give the scum falseclaims

. More specifically, we give them falseclaim PMs when role PM quoting is allowed. It was less than clear whether it was allowed or not as per the first post, since it wasn't explicitly mentioned (unless I missed it).

pwnman's desperation to confirm himself as town caused a lot of frownies in my eyes, which contributed to my assumption of falseclaims.

I really don't see why you think I'm scum for this line of logic.

[farside22]

DGB didn't have it in her rules but I know most people have no mod quoting as a general rule.
Second there are very few times I give fake claims to the mafia. I usually have a generatic town sample pm so the scum know what the win condition is.
Finally I reconized a few things in pwnman's post from his claim that mine have.
You seemed to react like you didn't reconize it as part of your own PM hence my scum read on you.

[UncertainKitten]

Well, I'll admit that I made the same mistake I made when I first got my PM.

I saw Warden's Pet and assumed scum. There's actually a quite hilarious PM I sent to DGB complaining about "being a mafia traitor" when she then confirmed I was town.

Once again, I saw warden's pet and thought it was scum. Then I checked my own PM. Then I realized that the fail was the fact that pwn had quoted his role PM.

That said, I did think he was trying to confirm himself as town a little too much and was quoting a falseclaim.

[farside22]

eli said he saw max town do to the confusion he had........
i need to think but thanks kitten you got me thinking about some early play.

[SpyreX]

OHHH NO MORE CONJECTURE:

In flavored games I mod I also give scum full safeclaims. Its not that uncommon of a thing.

I really want to give the super push to Hacker but it almost seems too easy.

[HackerHuck]

Pwnman, can you respond to post 152?

He also paraphrased your comment on me. Or if it wasn't yours, it was someone elses.

I'm not much liking Mega Pimp and SpyreX on the last couple of pages. Cobalt and pwnman seem OK to me

^^^ Ridiculously Scummy post now.
Who would say that pwnman looked "OK" when he was acting irrational and absolutely ridiculous? Oh yeah, that's right! Scum, who would know he was town.

Reshoving.

^^^ Ridiculously Scummy post now.
Who would say that pwnman was scum without a second thought when he claimed? Oh yeah, that's right! Scum, who would know he was town, but wouldn't recognize anything from his claim.

[Super Awesome Mega Zord!]

You realise as soon as people jumped on me Cobalt shoved to stop his lynch.

The ex-non-cadaver makes an excellent point about Cobalt's opportunistic shove. Don't be fooled by his facade of uselessness.

[Minineko]

LOL as soon as eli makes a post about the 2 lurkers they show.

I was modpoked.

So any defense for why you didn't put a dash there?

........

Facepalm @ pwnman. Srsly.

I'm having a really hard time reading people in this game. I'm going to go back and see who looks like they voted opportunistically.

[Minineko]

Reads:

He's still scummy as hell.
And he calls that "proof" he's town.

not sure

Oh, it's certainly not proof he's town. I'm assuming DGB gave falseclaims to the scum. And "proving you are town" with a role PM quote does feel desperate.

probably town

He also paraphrased your comment on me. Or if it wasn't yours, it was someone elses.

I'm not much liking Mega Pimp and SpyreX on the last couple of pages. Cobalt and pwnman seem OK to me

not sure

The bolded is a typo right?

lols prob town

vote: Eli

Anyone who looked at pwnman's comment with his claim and calling it scum doesn't have the same PM me thinks.

def town

Shove:
UncertainKitten 2
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 6
SpyreX 4
Max 7
farside22 5
HackerHuck 8
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 11
Cobalt 1
pwnman 12
Grimmy 9

oooh, this one doesn't look great

So assuming means pwnman is scum.
Which includes things my own PM stated?
That's a lot of assumption. Sure DGB said not to think much of the flavor text but that assumption seems scum motivated to me.

toooowwnn

pwnman: why did you claim? Why did you copy portions of your shove reasons from Jahudo?

not feeling this. attack on cobalt while interrogating pwn (with a repeated question, ironically) is odd

BS. Die.

yeah, Eli is prob aggrotown

So any defense for why you didn't put a dash there?

this is just nonsense

(don't explain it jahudo i see where you were going with it. it's still nonsense)

Max still isn't doin it for me.
Pwn's combination of posting his PM at that juncture AND saying that it was a coincidence absolutely floors me.
Hacker's town read of the above

technically

bothers me more, but.

Elli is almost blinding with the raw amout of town oozing out.

could go either way maybe leaning slightly town on this one

Ah thanks for that spyrex I didn't understand what the paroting was about.

unvote:
vote: pwnman

now im less certain about farside. how does the copying imply scum? still pretty sure she's town though.

Shove: 1. UncertainKitten 4
2. Minineko 1
3. Ellibereth 2
4. Jahudo 9
5. SpyreX 4
6. Max 8
7. farside22 3
8. HackerHuck 7
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 10
10. Cobalt 11
11. Grimmy 6

Meow

[farside22]

now im less certain about farside. how does the copying imply scum?

It was pretty blantant copying in my view and I know scum to follow others logic and make comments that are almost exactly like those who stated the same thing before.

[Max]

Shove:
Max 1
Jahudo 2
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
Cobalt 4
farside22 5
HackerHuck 6
pwnman 7
SpyreX 8
Grimmy 9
Ellibereth 10
UncertainKitten 11
Minineko 12

Shove:
UncertainKitten 9
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 6
Jahudo 2
SpyreX 8
Max 1
farside22 4
HackerHuck 5
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 11
Grimmy 3

Cobalt gone to bottom, seen nothing positive from him all game. (down by 7)
SAMP: Willing to tunnel, intent fully manipulating the votes, as we have seen third parties exist (survivors) but going through this technique to get a lynch you want rubs me up the wrong way.
I'm still liking hacker huck, not more than farside though.


Swapped Elli and Spyrex after bumping up one, feel that Elli is improving game play wise yet spyrex just seems to be contentless.
Grimmy bumped up I'm liking what I see, better than before by far.

minineko missed me out last post and has me low down. Which is interesting. And promised a look at votes without doing so.
Why did you place Eli first when you had farside as defo town and eli as probs town?


I'll do more reading then do more posting...

[farside22]

UncertainKitten 5
Minineko 6
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 4
SpyreX 8
Max 2
farside22 1
HackerHuck 11
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 10
Grimmy 9

Kitten made a brillant obvservation for me so that brought her back up but I don't know if she's doing enough scum hunting to warrent a town feel. I put her closer to the top because of a few people give me more scum vibes.
cobalt all but nonexsistant.
grimmy is the same. Those not contributing to the conversation that just occured and lurking about may be confused scum.
spryrex moved up my scum list do to his reaction to my obseravtion on players reaction to pwnman's claim
Hacker - defending a now flipped town player saying he didn't see it scummy without reason. Although the post about pwnman where he blantly copies another player would put most players on read alert for scummy, lazy, scum.

[Jahudo]

I like Hacker's reaction to pwnman's claim. It was before anyone knew for sure pwn would be modkilled, so scum wouldn't have a foreseeable reason to help town caught in the kill slot. He could have helped pwnman through shoving, but he already had him in the 6th position, which correlates to his post of pwnman seeming "OK", but not necessarily obvtown. So it seems more likely a logical town reaction than a scum reaction.

I don’t like Elli’s reaction to pwnman’s claim. He was more focused on condemning pwnman, who we weren't sure would be modkilled, to stay in the kill slot. And he's vague on why he didn't like the claim and pwn's behavior in general. I could see where he’d question the timing of the claim, but he doesn’t say that. He just says scummy, which itself is scummy.

And anyone notice how Elli and Cobalt put each other at 3? I think Elli is the only one defending obvscum Cobalt, and the love is reciprocal. Can you say scumbuddies?

I’m going to withhold shoving until there’s a new count, but Elli and Cobalt should be at the bottom for both independent and dependent reasons. Hacker should be up, as should a more active Minineko. And I’ll invert the rest on my list.

Second there are very few times I give fake claims to the mafia. I usually have a generatic town sample pm so the scum know what the win condition is.

There isn't a sample town role PM in the OP, so that might make a fakeclaim more likely. Also rule 3 warns against this kind of stuff, like flavor text may not correlate with alignment. So I don't think its telling one way or the other with how Elli reacted.

I really want to give the super push to Hacker but it almost seems too easy.

What do you mean by too easy? Too easy to find fault in his read, or the current suspicion on him has been flowing too easily?

[Cobalt]

hm, I seem to have attracted a lot of 11s but not a lot of cases, how interesting