Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[Faraday]

Why'd you choose TM over the other two?

[Faraday]

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

I like your avtar. It turns me on. Now answer my question.

[Faraday]

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

I like your avtar. It turns me on.

Now answer my question

.

No. Now what?

Well I vote you like this:

Vote Jack

This. I must have missed a rule... IIRC, he said we would all get a PM with our alignment, and then have to send back a reply with the picks.

Does alignment include list of team members? Hmmm... Any scum want to claim and tell us?

Vote FeFiFoFum

For doing the RVS wrong, and voting Socrates (srsly guys, if he's not dead tommorow he's either BP or scum).

First 2 paragraphs are just there and to me look like an attempt to look town. I'm having a hard time explaining why but it just feels off. Stuff like 'Any scum want to claim and tell us' is something I think scum are more likely to say.

The thing with Socrates is just horrible. Trying to cast doubt on the higher draft picks for no reason is stupid this early. And it's funny considering he's next. So I guess if you don't die soon Fate we should lynch you too huh?

Owait let's do that anyway

Unvote Vote Fate

better vote since Jack's just being a

jack

ass (oh lawdy).

Why are guys asking me questions, instead of the other 21 people?

Why are you being so defensive?

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I don't get the idea that someone like TM is more likely to be scum because he chose (1,1). If anything, wouldn't players who "covered" more bases by voting different numbers be more likely to be scum? I don't see how it changes anything, and I honestly would've picked the same numbers regardless of my alignment.

Also, the mafia could talk about their draft choices, but not their number choices, correct?

vote: bouncy.bouncy

Why BOUNCY over Fate? Fate's got a cool wagon, needs more people to help out! do your part.

I do agree (wth fate and probs a few more) that number speculation seems useless though.

[Faraday]

well i didnt understand the process of the draft..obviously so, since I was at the last of the draft...

so many wagons already. am I surprised that the wagons are on people close to the top of the draft?...no, those are probably the better roles that scum want eliminated. at any rate..

This is a dangerous road to go down. if people are legit scummy their position shouldn't matter. A lot of people made the same argument against lynching Elvis Knits last time and she turned out to be scum.

And yeah, you kinda do want to lynch a vengeful Fate. It gives town a double lynch during the day. Why would you not utilise it?
I kinda see Hoopla's point about the percentages now and I think she may have something going there, but I won't be soley depending on number analysis. In fact I think Elli's comparison to Meta is quite a good one for me too, it might help but it shouldn't be the sole focus.

[Faraday]

"to be honest" I am a little lost with the numbers. i like to think of myself as an intelligent guy, but I think this line of thinking is above me. there might be something there, there might not be. Feel like we are not scum hunting, but it is day 1 and maybe there is something to it. I need a reference point though.

question for all, who here played the first game? and can I have a link to it?

also I love farside....dear, who should I vote for?

The draft worked different in the first game, so looking at that for anything to do with numbers won't help.

I played it too, though so yeah, it's a good read in general I'd say. Kickass town ftw~!

And I'd definitely say there's scumhunting going on. I think the fate case is good.

[Faraday]

Stuff etc.

Yeah, Fate needs to come up with this meta on Elli or shut up about it. (Seems like it's gonna be the latter)

Does anyone else see this as contradictory?

If Hoopla's role order logic is scummy, why are you using it against her and Fate?

I don't see this as contradictory but I can understand how it would be read that way.

Glad to see basically nothing has happened except a huge bickering battle and Fate being scummy :3

If you think he's scummy then why no vote?

What is the Fate case? I just got done reading him in ISO and i still don't see whatever the 9 people voting him see ><

Uhh, well I think 'His any scum want to claim and tell us' seems contrived in his early post.
Then he throws dirt on the 1 person ahead of him in the draft, for no apparent reason with some ridiculous reasoning in that if he doesn't die he's scum or BP

I haven't really liked a whole lot he has said really. I'm not sure I understand his vote on the1fifi. In fact it makes no sense as wanting to lynch a vengeful (if he's scummy obviously) is good play as it gives us a double lynch in the day.

Throw in a bit of gut too and I think we're set.

How did you not notice any of this? or do you find none of that scummy?

[Faraday]

^For the record, are you saying you want to see me put at L-1 and claim, Hoopla?

I do!

Where's your vote at dram?

[Faraday]

um, why?

[Faraday]

Nah it's adressed to dramonic, lol. I don't see why he wants a specific person to hammer.

[Faraday]

^ Yes, but there's not a whole lot to discuss if you'll forgive me. Active Lurking (which is what you've pointed yourself as doing) is scummy. What exactly was the point of bringing this to our attention, just to show you're aware of your lack of content and intend to fix it our rub our noses in it?

[Faraday]

Also, I got to say I agree with StrangerCoug. If we're really doing this, Socrates seems like the better lynch than Fate.

I'm not really open to Hoopla's plan. But why do you think Socrates is scummier than Fate?

[Faraday]

I think Fate has defended himself reasonably well for the moment. The number analysis wasn't a reason for me voting you, and in all honesty most of it is going over my head still so it probably won't be a reason for a vote of mine. I also don't like some of the votes on him, Hoopla says she thinks scum is bussing, well maybe they are but there's certainly enough scummy people on the wagon.

Unvote

for the moment.

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 2 - RedCoyote, Farside - (L-10)

Dramonic

- 2 - TonyMontana, Fate - (L-10)

Fate

- 10 - Hoopla, Ellibereth, Cobalt, Bouncy.Bouncy, Porkens, Devotress, The1fifi, Socrates, Dramonic, FeFiFoFum - (L-2)

FeFiFoFum

- 1 - Rayfrost - (L-11)

Hoopla

- 1 - Pomegranate - (L-11)

Jack

- 1 - wolframnhart - (L-11)

Socrates

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

wolframnhart

- 2 - curiouskarmadog, Jack - (L-10)

Players not voting: DocPotter, Faraday

You know Hoopla, and Happy birthday btw, much as I like talking theory and such, there is one basic assumption in your probabilities that you have failed to address. Your own alignment.
If you are town then your other assumptions are fair, but if you are scum then you'll already know how many 'X' numbers the scum are on and can tailor your assumptions to suit.

So rather than lynch the top, lets lynch you. If you flip town we know we can trust your assumptions and place a little more faith in your theory/plan. If you flip scum then ...

This seems like a bad idea to lynch someone. Also I don't think anyone would think' 'Oh Hoopla flipped town, that must mean she was right' but that's just me.

You make a good point about her knowing the numbers if she's scum though, but it's mostly irrelevant to me as I'm not voting by number analysis.

[Faraday]

Fate's reaction and lack of claim actually looks good to me.
All the number and theory stuff is still going to be ignored.
I don't think Dram is scum. His earlier post about the scum comminication looked pretty honest.
Fefi's bullshit reasoning L-1'ing vote looks scummy as hell.

Vote: Fefi

Yeah this is :goodposting:

Not so sure on dram, I've been burned by scum being intentionally confused and actually forgetting their nk target before but I think he looks okay anyway.

Vote FEFIFOFUM

[Faraday]

i'm going to be probably v/la tomorrow and the most of the next day

[Faraday]

pom is playing like scum-pom

vote pom

can you elaborate? she always looks really scummy to me.

[Faraday]

CKD are you going to do anything apart from tell us you're not contributing.

Redcoyote and Socrates are both probably town.

Could go for a Pom wagon I guess, her reasons for asking for a claim were pretty bad, though fefifofum is a good wagon too, people need to see the light.
Bouncy bouncy should post too, it's been a while. I'm missing that guy (stop lurkan)

[Faraday]

Does everyone know who my account was before my ban? This is my account after my ban is up. You should all know that bandwagons are pointless on me if you know what my origin is.

Surprisingly enough you've actually not convinced me to move my vote with this post. I'm not aware of your meta in regard to bandwagons being formed on you, and I honestly don't care.

[Faraday]

And you're Crypto, I'm assuming. Sup btw, didn't think you deserved a ban but w/e.

[Faraday]

I dont see any legitiment case formed. please enlighten me

That's too bad. Basically your vote on Fate was really scummy (reasons were disgustingly horrible) and you don't seem to be doing a lot apart from that.

Bouncy bouncy should post too, it's been a while. I'm missing that guy (stop lurkan)

I'm not much of a D1 poster. What do you want me to comment on?

YO BOUNCY YA SCUM SON. Also bullshit @ not much of a day 1 poster.

CKD are you going to do anything apart from tell us you're not contributing.

I am doing something (it is not my fault you cant figure out what it is). Does my presence in this game make you nervous? Do you think i am scum?

Yeah but it's useless, as no one actually seems to care. No. I'm unsure as of yet. You've done nothing scummy (i.e. no scumtells or w/e)technically, but then again you've done nothing, which is scummy in and of itself. There are better candidates for votes, though.

Are you still happy with your vote on wolf, or have your reasons changed?

so why am I not getting a vote? what have I done that fefi hasnt (or has?)

You're not reading the thread or you'd have seen this was answered. Why did you pick fefi out of everyone that has votes? Is it to do with him being higher than you? If so how do you explain the Pom wagon, she's one of 2 people lower than you in the draft.

but I do find it interesting that you really are the first person ask me for direct content. (no faraday you didnt).

I asked for content, I'm not sure if that differs from direct content, but there you go.

hmmmm
Devotrescum with Pom?

Doubt it. She's playing differently than she did last game where she was scum, now admittedly the scum kind of fell apart last game but she's a gut town read at the moment. I also like her interaction w/ hoopla, looks town.

Btw, deadline is approaching in case everyone forgot.

I'd go for a Fefifofum/Pom/Bouncy/ lynch. CKD wouldn't be horrible either.

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 2 - RedCoyote, Devotress - (L-10)

Dramonic

- 1 - TonyMontana - (L-11)

Fate

- 4 - Bouncy.Bouncy, The1fifi, Dramonic, FeFiFoFum - (L-8)

FeFiFoFum

- 3 - Rayfrost, Faraday, wolframnhart - (L-9)

Hoopla

- 1 - Jack - (L-11)

Pomegranate

- 3 - Socrates, Farside, Fate - (L-9)

Socrates

- 2 - Hoopla, StrangerCoug - (L-10)

The1fifi

- 4 - Ellibereth, DocPotter, Cobalt, Porkens - (L-8)

wolframnhart

- 1 - curiouskarmadog - (L-11)

Players not voting: Pomegranate

Bouncy you were nommed for a scummy for replacing into a game day 1 before, admittedly near the end, but you certainly had a nice big post for the 15 or so pages of that game, how come you've given us nothing this game. Like nothing at all. 6/7 posts and they've all been worthless.

Fefi's timing is certainly convenient, remember our deadline is Monday too.

Unvote Vote Bouncybouncy.

time to kill this guy with FIRE.

I wish I was the vig :/

Would Lynch:
Bouncy
Fefifofum
Pom
The1fifi
Ckd

^^ all good lynches I think.

[Faraday]

I'm sorry, why are The1fifi and bouncy.bouncy scum? If they are lurkers, are there really no better targets? I'd rather lynch people on information rather than on the lack thereof.

Lurking is scummy. They must be purged.

[Faraday]

Stranger, do a quick read though of bouncy in isolation if you have the time.
.

LOL it'd take about a minute, so I'm sure he can spare a little bit of time.

Why is the wagon on Fates dead. He plays like scum, odd-wise makes good scum and you guys are saying he's town.

Apart from his early game behaviour, and the resulting wagon I don't see how he's playing like scum. Why's he a better lynch than some/most of the people on my list?

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Bouncy.Bouncy

- 3 - RedCoyote, Faraday, Fate - (L-9)

Cobalt

- 1 - The1fifi - (L-11)

Dramonic

- 1 - TonyMontana - (L-11)

Fate

- 3 - Bouncy.Bouncy, Dramonic, FeFiFoFum - (L-9)

FeFiFoFum

- 2 - Rayfrost, wolframnhart - (L-10)

Jack

- 1 - DocPotter - (L-11)

Pomegranate

- 2 - Socrates, Farside - (L-10)

Socrates

- 2 - Hoopla, StrangerCoug - (L-10)

The1fifi

- 3 - Cobalt, Porkens, Devotress - (L-9)

wolframnhart

- 1 - Jack - (L-11)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Ellibereth, Pomegranate

Unvote bouncy

Vote the1fifi

Btw I was scum in the last game when I made a post where I pretended I was cobalt as I voted him.

What?

Agreed with Fate too.

[Faraday]

Does everyone know who my account was before my ban? This is my account after my ban is up. You should all know that bandwagons are pointless on me if you know what my origin is.

I'm still curious as to what this meant, anyone who's played with Crypto could they enlighten me?

[Faraday]

Unvote BOUNCY Vote Fefifofum

Changed my mind, want to kill him more than bouncy now. Also less than 2 days left till deadline people.

[Faraday]

TonyMontana has 2 posts in this game.

Mod can you prod him?

, can't remember the BAM prodding rules, but just do it anyway plz.

[Faraday]

Hey TonyMontana. What's going on?

[Faraday]

That's L-1, by my count. Do we wait for a claim? (seems like no other wagon would have time to come to fruition, plus I'm not sure claims mean a whole lot.)

[Faraday]

Ugh sorry. Net is out at home (again). Will read back later posting this in all my games.

[Faraday]

Farside why are you voting Elli?

What could a claim possibly have done? We were deadlined and there was no guarantee he'd be back to claim + the chances of being able to start a new wagon was also pretty much non existent.

[Faraday]

First that push at the last minute on FFF looks completely scum motivated.

He was on V/LA which everyone ignored

and pushed on a wagon based more on lurking then actual scum hunting
Second someone wanted a hammer on a player without asking for more from that player looks completely scummy. Elli pushed for it more and I'm curious why people were like lets forget pom and push on this wagon for no flipping reason what-so-ever.

What gives you that impression? I personally didn't care that he was on v/la, in fact I'd considered the posibillity it was tactical in order to prevent his lynch.
But if he wasn't going to be around then why hold up? Plus the fact he had 10 days or w/e before that to contribute and did absolutely nothing.

[Faraday]

The logic of 'scum could've pushed the wagon just as easily as the one they did' is terribad.

Why? I mean, I understand what you're saying. You're saying that it's not impressive to say, "scum pushed FFFF", because it's so often the case that scum have some presence on every lynch, right? I get that. I think what Fate's saying that makes the idea bigger than that is how the wagon shifted. What did stop bouncy from getting lynched over FFFF yesterday, Ray?

In general, I have a love/hate relationship with this post. I don't think you're any scummier for making it, but on the same token, you're being extremely confusing with your wording here. Like Fate & farside, I had to read this over multiple times before I realized you knew that FFFF had been lynched and that we were on D2.

I'm saying

why FFFF being lynched over bouncy.bouncy is a null tell.

You're oversimplifying it. Hoopla's post 620 does a good job explaining why this is wrong.

Yeah, sorry about the confusing language.

A)I feel that scum would have incentive to push for a FFFF lynch a bit more than a bouncy lynch. Bouncy is inactive/lurkish/p. much useless. FFFF was V/LA and potentially active/useful/not useless.

Even if scum moved it from bouncy, it doesn't mean they were trying to save a scumbuddy.

That's my issue with it. Still, a bouncy case separate from both numbers and this logic would be nice if it were succinctly stated.

I disagree with a), in that I think unless you can read minds you've no idea what's going to happen. For all the scum knew bouncy could have been some sort of super scum catching machine past day 1(yeah, an exaggeration but you get my drift). FFFF was not active/not useful when around, he had 10 days to fix that, I don't see why anyone would have expected a whole lot more from him. I mean I'm aware crypto's an active player, and as far as I knew he'd never been scum, so I felt he was more scummy than bouncy.

Bouncy case is similar to the one yesterday combined with more lurking today, I guess.

[Faraday]

Vote Bouncy.bouncy

Contribute or dieeeee.

[Faraday]

That's L-1 if i'm not mistaken.

[Faraday]

^ Yes. lol.

[Faraday]

Vote Bouncy.bouncy

Contribute or dieeeee.

Claim or die more like it.

A thought: for claims in the future (and now), if they're vanilla town, I think it's wiser if they don't claim what role they tried to get. Or at least, someone this high in the order anyway. We don't want scum figuring out where specific roles lie.

Well he should claim if there's someone willing to hammer, yeah. He should contribute anyway, regardless.

Unsure on your second part, I see what you're saying but eh, there might be benefits to claiming anyway. More-so lower down in the order, perhaps though. Need to think on it, it does effectively expose/narrow down certain power roles but I'm not sure it's information the scum wouldn't be able to guess at anyway.

[Faraday]

A role cop definately helps the scum more then the town. The scum already know their own pr's and would love the info of a role cop.

Agreed. Scum rolecop does a LOT of help this game. I think the thing about him drafting it early is a point in his favour, but I'd like some content from him apart from his claim.

[Faraday]

I've read through the thread quickly. I'm still happy with a bouncy lynch, I'm pretty sure he's scum. I mean I could see a few of the things he's done being down to being new, but most of them are just scummy.

[Faraday]

I've read through the thread quickly. I'm still happy with a bouncy lynch, I'm pretty sure he's scum. I mean I could see a few of the things he's done being down to being new, but most of them are just scummy.

Yeah, some of those things, otherwise maybe them something probably not scummy was scum, something something.

How eloquent.

[Faraday]

i've a shit ton of college work to get through up untill saturday basically.

v/la untill then, pretty much. sorry!

[Faraday]

First post in awhile, and nothing but role speculation.

FOS: POM

Scum List: Pom, TM, Wolf, maybe Socrates

Hmm why are you voting a maybe on your scum list over the others? Is it because of the posibillity he's a scum vig?

I tend to think Socrates is town, however I think him claiming at this moment would be beneficial. The Vig is probably scum. I don't see why any vig in their right mind would kill RedCoyote.

Vote Pom

has she provided content yet????

[Faraday]

Cool. Obviously I agree he should claim. There's a chance his claim alone will say a lot about him.

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

Pomegranate

- 2 - Porkens, Faraday - (L-7)

Socrates

- 5 - StrangerCoug, Fate, Hoopla, TonyMontana, DocPotter - (L-4)

wolframnhart

- 3 - Ellibereth, Farside, The1fifi - (L-6)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, Jack, Pomegranate, Socrates, wolframnhart

Thirdly, someone way down the order could have lucked out. Who here thinks that that is likely?

It's possible, but I know for certain I'd not go for vig so low down the order. I guess if it's not picked first it really could end up anywhere though. Same with a lot of the top tier power roles, really.

[Faraday]

That makes a fair bit of sense.

Already have my vote on pom, lol.

[Faraday]

Elli why is faraday town? She never voted for Pom during the day 1 discussion.

Farside I have a penis! (I'm a guy, just to make it clear )

I'm unsure as to the reasoning used by Elli too tho'.

I guess we should wait for a claim? It probably won't affect much, but there's no harm giving everyone a bit more time.

[Faraday]

Boomshakalaka!!

[Faraday]

Ali G reference. Basically to show I'm here and waiting for a Pom hammer.

[Faraday]

Vote socrates.

I don't think he should be put at L-1 as that will allow him to self hammer, we want to give people a chance to check in to send in potential night choices.

[Faraday]

unvote

[Faraday]

There could be other roles around too (neighbouriser for example) which while not directly having an effect can be definitely useful.

[Faraday]

I WAS FRAMED!

I'M INNOCENT I TELL YOU!

The mafia must have a framer and set me up!

Ohwait.

The mafia must have a bus driver and redirected my investigation!

Er...

I must secretly have been insane! Yea, thats it! Hoopla is scum!

vote: Hoopla

^^^ You're a secretly insane bomb socrates?

[Faraday]

Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!

Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.

Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.

Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea.

It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.

The bolded is a very good point, but even if that's true there's nothing we can do as a scum governor can stop a lynch on anyone can't they?

If socrates isn't the vig, though we could be in trouble. (I'm definitely assuming the vig is scum, killing every night and redcyote is a bad target I think, the other's look somewhat plausible I guess, but ehh, the vig would/should have claimed by now if town.)

[Faraday]

While the theory Socrates just posted makes some sense, I would have faked a different PR, probably doctor. Maybe empowerer if I figured there was a Mafia RB running around.

So yeah. I don't know how to take it, but there were better ways of gambiting than that.

Read the post Faraday quoted. If Socrates had replaced that post with a, "ok seriously this is what I did" I would've bought it.

Or if had chosen someone scummier than inactive Pom... Now I regret not letting her speak =X

Lol in fairness Pom was pretty scummy, which was why it sounded plausible.

And yeah, he's obv fucking around at this stage, but whatever.

[Faraday]

I was fishing to see who would jump on my wagon like a ravenous tiger (townies) and who would hesitate and try to play cautious kittens (scumbags).

Anyone who was town should have instantly voted me the second they checked the thread 'cause a quicklynch would have helped the town (if I was actually scum).

A+

[Faraday]

Great. I go from semi-confirmed innocent, to blatant scum wifom target. Thanks!

Before we speedlynch Socrates, lets stop and think about the situation. Socrates is very likely not the scum vig, as he as essentially spontaneously combusted, which isn't something scum would do to their vig. We know scum (almost certainly) have vig and the cop, and I seriously doubt scum would have got either of those roles without picking one of them first. So, the most logical answer is Socrates is the scum cop, and they managed to pick up vig lower down the order.

Although, that seems like bizarre scum-play. Why would you not take vig when you have number 1 choice? One explaination is that Fate is vig, meaning scum got top two spots. But I already think that situation is unlikely based on Fate's wagon. So, if Fate is scum, he should be the vig (but that probably isn't true) - which makes him strongly town.

Jack, StrangerCoug, Fifi and wolf are the logical choices to for the scum vig, and I'm wondering if it's worthwhile having a massclaim now to try and flush the vig out. We might get lucky with role information contradictions and figure the vig out, because I'm not so sure lynching Socrates now is a good idea. It just seems so planned that I'm becoming more and more worried about a scum governor stopping a potential scum vig lynch.

Hmmmm... there's no real way to counter this unless the governor isn't on often, and we can quicklynch someone else instead and the power is wasted (Or is it only used up if it actually stops the lynch?)

I think Socrates is indeed vig. He just needed an extra night, that's why he claimed cop to give him one. Now this means the real cop wasn't here in time to counter, or the scum have cop too...

Or there's no cop?

I don't think a mass claim is a bad idea at all really, there's definitely no downside to it. The vig is the biggest worry atm. I think he needs to be found and lynched ASAP (basically tomorrow is as soon as possible). I'd certainly not object to it anyway. So I'm pro mass claim.

[Faraday]

I'm anti-mass claim.

Let's say Jack, SC, of fifi is scum vig.

They have all sorts of outs: "I claim vanila going for tracker. I claim vanilla going for bomb (makes me believe Socrates) I claim vanilla going for watcher."

And so on. Massclaim only helps scum pick their targets at this point, imo.

On the other hand if 1 or 2 of them have actual roles it narrows down the list dramatically and narrows the vig. I see your point but I think it'd be more helpful than you might think.

[Faraday]

Do you really want the scum to know that you're a town bomb?

Wut.

[Faraday]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

Hoopla

- 1 - Socrates - (L-6)

Socrates

- 3 - Ellibereth, DocPotter, Jack - (L-4)

Players not voting: curiouskarmadog, Devotress, Faraday, Fate, Hoopla, StrangerCoug, The1fifi, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

Do you really want the scum to know that you're a town bomb?

Wut.

Is this such an obscure role that I have to put it in big red letters? If the scum knows you're a bomb, they'll likely get around it by not NK'ing you. It is also very possible that they'll try to get you mislynched so they can take out two townies in one day. Socrates fakeclaiming to try to draw the NK makes sense except for the role faked.

So basically it makes no sense at all then when we take everything into account.
He could have easily claimed a cop with no guilties ya know.

[Faraday]

Why did you go for Vig fifi?

[Faraday]

Why did you say it could be

really

low in the draft when it's not. You knew it was at least in the top few.

[Faraday]

Vanilla , went for neighbouriser cos I love to talk to people + it's good for re-inforcing reads on people.

FATE (qt gambit as scum was pointless, plus town read after the early wagon + my mad skills tell me he's not hiding anything in the qt)
Elli (game would be over if he wasn't, right?)

Probably town:
Wolframanhart - He's the neighbouriser rit?


Scum:
Sc
fifi
tonylurksalot(?)
Devotress is probably scum by POE.

I think Hoopla's push against socrates day 1 looks genuine and makes me think she's got a good enough chance of being town.
Jack is a pretty null tell. His claim of vengeful makes sense.

I'm going to re-read some but there's a few things that stood out for me.

[Faraday]

Ugh I really dislike fifi's reaction around the Pom wagon/soc claim. He seems overly excited.

[Faraday]

Case on Strangercoug is good btw. I'd like to hit the vig today if at all possible. What's obviously the main priority is hitting scum today. I think both Sc/fifi are scum though.

Tonymontana needs to claim btw. I'd have prefered him going earlier but ehh, if he's scum he's not the vig obviously.

[Faraday]

Strangercoug voting fifi baffles me. Lemme check why he's doing that.

[Faraday]

Hey devotress who's your top 3 scum suspects rit nao???

[Faraday]

Strangercoug/Jack cause I figure one of em's gotta be the vig.
Third choice I get wierd gut feelings about Elibereth, he seems scummy to me, but, I agree with him that fates town, so.


You didn't ask, but I get the impression tony montana is just a bored/inactive. Is he posting in other games atm?

No idea. With search down it's really hard to tell.

[Faraday]

"Wow, now I agree with you! Please don't use this slip against me later."

Sorry. You played an excellent game otherwise.


THE HEROIC MEMBERS OF THE TOWN
---------------------------------
GOVERNER Ellibereth
EXPLOSIVE Fate
NEIGHOR Wolframhart
VANILLA Faraday
VENGEFUL Jack

The first 4 are definitely correct. I think Jack's probably town too actually.

Vote StrangerCoug.

I think he's a very likely scum vig. That's a 3rd vote on him afaik. I'll be around for a while but I don't think a quick hammer is gonna happen, the scum don't wanna bus their vig!!!

[Faraday]

But in a Fifi/SC scumteam, a Fifi lynch is the most rational choice, because you cannot know who is likelier to be vig out of SC/Fifi.

Meh scum is scum, I think SC is far more likely to be the vig myself.

[Faraday]

I SEE VOTES, WAIIIT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
i.e. let me read.

ok.

[Faraday]

^ Yes he has. The thread is up and stuff.

That's a good point actually Elli. I don't think scum would go exactly on the same number either so that gives me pause. Hmm what's the list of alive players again?

[Faraday]

^^ You have to remember that some of the people (fifi/hoopla/devotress) are scum and find it very hard to bus at this stage of the game when a mislynch would win the game for them

[Faraday]

Our scum-QT had almost 600 posts of hardcore planning. I'm happy to post it if my scumbuddies want it revealed.

I'd really like to see it, if only to fully appreciate the genius that we were up against.

This is all I have to offer: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/spQEsffKE3HA

I don't need Faraday's permission because he's lying scum

Hey Porkens

[Faraday]

J
FARADAY WHY DID YOU TALK TO PORKENS AFTER YOU KILLED HIM!

Well tbh, I was like 'It'd be fucking hilarious if it turned out it was Fate pretending to be Porkens pretending to be Fate' and I didn't want to take that chance.


Anyway I think the town had good chances of winning this despite not doing well in the draft (and not doing well in the draft is kinda bad luck/their own fault)

Fifi could easily have been lynched day 1, but I think myself and Hoopla voted fefifofum in quick succession. No one seemed to consider we were moving a wagon off fifi instead of bouncy.bouncy.

The scum team were excellent though, credit to Jack/Hoopla/Socrates for their master strategies all game, I was just happy to tag on and agree or disagree as the case may be.

I've no problems posting the qt. Soc isn't around I don't think but I doubt anyone would have any problem with it.


GG all.

And woot, I'm 2 for 2 in Pick Your Power.

[Faraday]

I'm linking this game when someone brings up number theory in the next pick your power

The funny thins is if we'd followed Hoopla's plan it'd have been a COMPLETELY different and harder game for the scum

[Faraday]

I'd also disagree w/ the fact that allowing scum to talk before unbalances the game. I mean the town happened to do really badly in their draft picks here. No one went for Bulletproof/Doc/Roleblocker.

I know if I'd been town I'd have taken the empowerer too. Guaranteed Night kills are really fucking strong for a scum group.

[Faraday]

"Oh"

I just read this. I mean, obviously my first reaction is anger. Then I feel as if, 'well people are human.'

Then I just feel sad. Like we lost the game on a fluke

I don't think it would have affected the outcome of the game at all. The vig hunt went down because Recoyote was killed.

[Faraday]

I still feel the set-up was pretty balanced. Town happened to pick badly in terms of numbers. No one took empowerer, no doc or rb'er either and we killed off their power roles early. Watcher/Tracker are a big worry for the scum. And then during the day game town played fairly poorly too.

Pre-draft planning is a great idea imo, and if you run another game the strategies would be interesting to see. You might get scum doubling up, or something like that.

[Faraday]

Also, I think the fact that scum had a chance to coordinate like that gave them a real advantage that IMO hindered the town enough that I don't see it as balanced.

Eh, I think the scum pretty much outplayed the town too during the game. The pre-game discussion was a factor, but without it scum are as lost as town, and well they're supposed to be an informed minority.