Pick Your Power II - Looks like the wine is gone (SCUM WIN)

[Ellibereth]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

Devotress

- 1 - The1fifi - (L-5)

StrangerCoug

- 3 - Fate, Jack, Faraday - (L-3)

The1fifi

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-5)

Players not voting: Devotress, Ellibereth, Hoopla, TonyMontana, wolframnhart

I SEE VOTES, WAIIIT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
i.e. let me read.

[Faraday]

But in a Fifi/SC scumteam, a Fifi lynch is the most rational choice, because you cannot know who is likelier to be vig out of SC/Fifi.

Meh scum is scum, I think SC is far more likely to be the vig myself.

[Faraday]

I SEE VOTES, WAIIIT FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
i.e. let me read.

ok.

[Ellibereth]

Quick Note, I don't think Tony Montana and Hoopla would have double up EXACTLY together with 1, 1. Still reading.

[Fate]

*waits for Jack/Fifi team to quickhammer*

When pigs fly!

I agree Tony is more likely uninterested Vanilla at this point (or busy, his signup was filled and he still hasn't posted the game he's modding yet).

[Faraday]

^ Yes he has. The thread is up and stuff.

That's a good point actually Elli. I don't think scum would go exactly on the same number either so that gives me pause. Hmm what's the list of alive players again?

[Fate]

Fate (13,4) - Bomb
Jack (7,2) -Vengeful Lynchee
StrangerCoug (3,1) -Vanilla for Bomb
The1fifi (3,7) -Vanilla for vig
wolframnhart (3,7)-Neighbor
Devotress (8,3)- Vanilla for Rolecop
Ellibereth (1,2) -Governor
Hoopla (1,1)- Vanilla for Universal Backup
TonyMontana (1,1)- Vanilla for err..Bomb
Faraday (6,4) - Vanilla for Neighbor (what a coincidence!)

[Ellibereth]

What makes it a gabillionzillion times more likely that Stranger's the vig over Fifi again?

[Fate]

It doesn't. They are literally right next to eachother, so the order they picked their roles in doesn't matter it seems. SC could be realclaiming and fifi could be vanilla.

BUT, Hoopla is proposing this line of thinking, and she isn't on my town list so her arguments get anti-points. AND we have two chances to lynch the vig, so hell, if SC isn't it we can go for Fifi tommorow.

Maybe fifiscum figured if we lynch SC as scumvig, he can say "look the vig was above me!"

That's really all I got. Plus SC voted fifi first (iirc)

[Fate]

Yeah he SC does vote fifi first, after "not seeing the case on Fate" but he fails to mention Jack completely. Trying to bus fifi would be a pretty good move at this point, especially with him coming under heavy fire by Jack and myself.

Plus Socrates told us SC was the vig Your WIFOM is coming back to hurt you!

[StrangerCoug]

Don't you agree that scum:

1) sometimes post weak, careless cases, sometimes on their partners to distance
2) sometimes try and act like they are intent on lynching them, but don't actually try and lynch them
3) sometimes react in unnatural ways to their partners cop claims

I'm not saying that I do all three as scum, but I can picture all three doing so.

Why I did not mention the bomb is very simple: I am not hunting for the bomb. Yes, I should know—and I do—that it's either you or Jack. I also remember people presenting evidence that the bomb is scum. Why is my failure to mention the bomb suspicious?

Look. If I am the scumvig, and you are the town vanilla, I would in no way in hell claim Scum bomb. I could claim Vanilla going for Cop, and the guess what? YOU'D be the liar since Jack didn't claim bomb either.

Me claiming Bomb should be a significant point for you. I don't remember your evidence that the bomb is scum, but I do remember you thinking Socrates was the town bomb as he claimed.

You do not remember my evidence for the scum having the bomb because I did not present it. I remember somebody saying that, since a number of NK's happened toward the top of the draft, they're probably not worried about the bomb. However, I'm having a hard time seeing you as scummy. I may have to drop the possibility that you're scum bomb, but you

ARE

more likely to be the bomb than Jack.

You're line of thinking continues to baffle me. "I should know-and I do-" Well what conclusions do you draw from this? How does you knowing where the bomb is point you to thinking fifi is the vig?

My knowledge of where the bomb is has very little relevance to my thought that The1fifi is the vig, especially since he's below me. He got up and called you vig based on very little, and I think that's an overstatement on my part.

Why did you not think Jack was the bomb earlier and that it was either myself or Socrates?

Jack didn't ring to me as any role in particular, and I do not usually find myself in a position to hunt for power roles. Those do not leave me a reason to question that Jack is vengeful as claimed. I hope that gun of his is pointed at scum, but everybody that's town does, and that's all I have to say about him.

[Fate]

Hey look who showed up. Why didn't you self-hammer? Oh yeah, because you're the vig.

But, for research purposes, now that you're answering questions:

Why did you claim vanilla going for bomb? Jack pointed this out yesterday: That let scum know exactly where it was (Jack or myself) and let them shoot freely. What town motivation could you have had?

[Fate]

EBWOP: Why did you claim early yesterday* and not today which is when we were supposed to massclaim.

[The1fifi]

EBWOP: Why did you claim early yesterday* and not today which is when we were supposed to massclaim.

Yh, it makes no sense SC.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey look who showed up. Why didn't you self-hammer? Oh yeah, because you're the vig.

No, because I have only three votes and I don't self-hammer as town. I'm also a busy person, unlike some people I know.

Why did you claim vanilla going for bomb? Jack pointed this out yesterday: That let scum know exactly where it was (Jack or myself) and let them shoot freely. What town motivation could you have had?

I thought yesterday was massclaim day, and as I said, the kills point to the scum knowing where it was anyway.

[Fate]

EBWOP: Why did you claim early yesterday* and not today which is when we were supposed to massclaim.

Yh, it makes no sense SC.

WHAT THE-

Wait. Stop.

I forgot I'm ignoring your posts.

Unless you want to come up with a plausible reason as to why you would vote Devotress. (This should be good)

[Ellibereth]

I'm beginning to agree with Stranger = vig.
Funny how they (fifi + stranger) both declined to comment on the devovote situation.
Between the two, if the scumteam were discussing they would give it it to the better player probably, the one that had a less chance of being lynched. (Stranger over fifi).

[Fate]

End the day? Wolf get that action in!

[TonyMontana]

Can someone please explain the "doubling up" theory, cause it sounds extremely dumb to me.

[Fate]

We'll talk about tomorrow, HAMMER SC NAO.

[wolframnhart]

I sent in my action.

I'm willing to vote SC based off the logic shown, but it is a good idea to give Eli a little more time, plus to make sure others send in night actions. Good question is also why others haven't voted yet as well.

[Faraday]

^^ You have to remember that some of the people (fifi/hoopla/devotress) are scum and find it very hard to bus at this stage of the game when a mislynch would win the game for them

[wolframnhart]

Good point, and i just realized I am the only one to send in an action right now, jacks happens when he is lynched, and fate at night, eli if he doesnt want the lynch.

vote SC

[Ellibereth]

I want to hammer.

[Fate]

Oh shi-

I have another to add to my list of fears! QUICK HAMMER ELLIE HES AT L-1!!

I ALSO want to point out that Hoopla hasn't even voted Fifi despite acknowledging his huge slip.