Mafia 913: Wickedestjr's Mafia - Game Over

[Zang]

/confirm

This is also my first non newbie game

[Zang]

vote:confidanon

because he likes to write backwards

[Zang]

Sure, why not?

[Zang]

Ok, you guys are all crazy.

Jack-I doubt you are the cop, and claiming that you are, so early in the game is scummy

quintastic one-Although cops investigating townies to prove the inocent can be helpful, investigating mafia is better.

Jack (again)-I do not see why you think that is the setup for this game.

Quintastic one (again)- I don't see why are voting fo sir cyanide, you don't have any real reasons, the only reason you vote for someone is if you think they are scum, not if they do/don't want to play the game.

Sir cyanide-although I disagree with quintastic for voting for you, I do
agree with him that you have no interest in scum hunting. And just saying "nonsence" isn't disproving us it is just arguing.

I will

FoS: quintastic one and sir cyanide

and

HoS: Jack

[Zang]

Jack-I meant the setup you showed in post 54.

[Zang]

Ok, fair enough, I did not know it was random

[Zang]

I'm not voting because I have 3 suspects, I want to narrow it down farther before I vote, only 2 of my 3 suspects can be scum if that. I want to have more solid information before I vote.

[Zang]

If your talking to me, well you did help ease my suscpicons when you previously posted 76, I am still suspicous of you but my main suspects are Jack and cyanide. But you could tell me what you think of jack vs cyanide.( Jack supposedly hissing behind cyanide and paltry accusing him of it) and whateverthoughts you have on the situation.

[Zang]

That was at TQO

[Zang]

Ok, You brought up some interesting points, although I believe Jack is scum, I do not want to risk lynching the cop on day 1, and cyanide is also scummy but if he is not mafia then it would be more of an affordable loss because as you put it he is "more of a detriment to the town than Jack"

unvote

so I will upgrade my fos to

vote:sir cyanide

[Zang]

What about him is scummy to you?

[Zang]

Well it isn't as much him hurting the town as him not helping the town and Quinn is very strange, I'm not really sure what to think of him(or what you want me to say about him).

I would of put this with my previous post but as you can see they are one min. Apart

[Zang]

Well, it is possible that we have another killing role

[Zang]

Tqo-I said it because the mafia might kill Jack who the doctor protects but if we have another killing role such as vigilante then they won't want to kill the cop so they would target someone else. I am saying this because you said Jack would be scummy if he did not die and someonelse was killed.

[Zang]

Confidanon-why is Cacautiosness a bad thing? And early in your post (118) you say that your vote on Jack stays but later in that same post you unvote Jack and vote TQO. Can you please explain this and what is your opinion on cyanide?

[Zang]

I don't understand your question cyanide, what argument are you talking about?

[Zang]

Cyanide-i do not know what you are talking about(could you tell me the post# or quote it) but based on what you said then I would agree with you.

[Zang]

ebwop: I'm very suspicious of people who pretend like they are reading carefully and scumhunting, when they actually aren't. Mafia are always lazier about that.

you read my mind

unvote

vote:Jack

[Zang]

I always thought that Jack was scum (look at my previous posts), I just did not want to risk the chance that he was cop. But now I'm willing to take that chance, for all we know there might not even be a cop.

[Zang]

Paltryexcuse-I was going to unvote cyanide anyway, I originally voted for him because he was no use to the town whether he is or isn't mafia but he has disproven me of that so I was going to unvote him.

Tqo-I did believe your points and I don't know that Jack is scum, the only people that know who is scum is scum. And can you elaborate more on how I am being manipulated?

[Zang]

He had a random vote on me

[Zang]

I think TQO might be right. It could just be a scum trick but his (strange) logic does make sence.

[Zang]

TQO-what Is the point of hinting at your role if it is "not so powerful", the town will either:

1.not believe you (goes with any power role)

2.not care, if it isn't so powerful then I doubt it will have any effect on the town unless it helps them in some way and based on the description you gave it doesn't.

But you could have a power that you haven't hinted about yet.

And sir cyanide-was that post pointed at me or TQO? And try to calm down

[Zang]

I was just showing what I thought of TQOs claim, I don't really care what his role is.

[Zang]

My Suscpicouns change as do Many peoples, how is that scummy?

And

unvote

[Zang]

Ok, I am really confused, first can you explain why I am looking bad?

[Zang]

I'm not voting because I have 3 suspects, I want to narrow it down farther before I vote, only 2 of my 3 suspects can be scum if that. I want to have more solid information before I vote.

sorry about that, Like I said this is my first non newbie game. I realized this soon after posting it and I would of said something about it if I knew that it would be big deal later in the game.

What is the answer to the first question? As in, is it just the perceived cop claim that makes Jack scummy for you?

Basically

Well, it is possible that we have another killing role

I already explained this to TQO, but TQO said that Jack would be very scummy if he was still alive tommorow and someone else died but I was explainig to him that if the mafia targets Jack who the doctor protects and if someone else had a killing role then they might target someone besides Jack. This would leave Jack still alive and someone else dead but he wouldn't be scum.

can you read the thread?

yes I can and I was asking Jack specifically

[Zang]

sorry, didn't see that part of the post but here is my explaination-

1. It was a fos not a vote
2. it wasn't me believing him, it was Me agreeing with him
3. I disagreed with him on one thing but I agreed with him on something else.
4. If you are refering to my post 213, I said that his logic makes sence (to me anyway) but I didn't believe him, I even said that it might be a scum trick.

[Zang]

Ok I didn't think you meant that post. But the reason I FoSed him was because he was voting for sir cyanide and he didn't give any reasons for it but my suscpicouns were lifted when TQO posted 76. We were talking about believing jacks claim ( this was after my vote on jack)

[Zang]

Thebuttonman-Im sorry but I do not understand what you are saying.

[Zang]

...I will take that as a joke

[Zang]

Zhero- Right now I believe that thebuttonmen might be scum but I do not have enough reasoning to vote for him yet.

[Zang]

I must say Zang does not look good (for reasons others have stated, but namely his ISO21 stands out as extremely scummy to me), but TQO is really something else. Have nobody of you noticed yet that he has been ignoring me blatantly (my guess is because he is a crybaby)? I would not be surprised if he started ignoring cruelty now after he stated that TQO is 'obvnewb'.

I am unsure of his alignment, but he's definitely the best lynch -for now- (that may change during the day). If we somehow conclude he's town, I would like to suggest that we just keep him in the game as a +1 for the townie side but completely ignore everything he posts.

I don't see why you think that post was scummy, I was not the only one who believed TQO, Jack wrote this-

you know, I think I believe TQO.

zhero-can you read? I just said that I don't have much reasoning but basically he gas an agressive play-style, he was the first one for a TQO lynch (which is the easiest lynch)

@everyone: What do you think is the single most important event/debate/altercation to have taken place so far in the game?

jacks cop claim

[Zang]

TQO-your overview is informative but I do not see what the point of it was. Could you explain this? Was it really just to show your thoughts of what's been going on while rereading? If so why bother posting it (because it did just sound like a narrative of what's been happening throught the game)?

[Zang]

What do you mean by "just"?

he explained That he was just posting his thoughts while rereading the thread but I was confused because if that was the only reason than I don't see why he would of posted it.

[Zang]

Mod-I will be V/LA for a couple of days

[Zang]

Ok, I'm back. Sorry about that but I was sick. Going to go read and I will be able topost something good tommorow

[Zang]

First of all I would like to welcome fat_tony, nothing much else happened. But now I will do a case on tbm. This is tbm in ISO-

-argues with Jack about cop investigating town
-votes tqo with no reasoning
-questions jacks setup
-accuses tqo of sounding scummy everytime he posts
-calls tqo "super new"
-Says that tqo has flawed logic
-tells Jack to vote tqo
-accuses tqo of exajerrating
-criticizes tqo for claiming a power role
-says that everytime tqo is questioned he says how obvtown he Is
-Says that tqo had bad logic (again)
-questions tqo
-says that I am scum with logic that I do not understand
-Calls tqo a liar
-accuses tqo of changing his story
-explains his logic for why he said I was scummy
-admits that he was going for the easy lynch (tqo)
-once again he sais that tqo has changed his story and lied multiple times
-criticizes Jack
-once again calls tqo a liar
-misspells my name
-questions paltry
-defends himself against paltry
-sais that cruelty hates day one

he is obssesed with lynching tqo and is desserving of my vote so

vote:thebuttonmen

and I think that is hammer so goodbye

[Zang]

-argues with Jack about cop investigating town

False, in fact I was the one who said confirmed town is good

ok, sorry it's hard telling arguments when I only know what one person said.
-votes tqo with no reasoning

False, I voted him because of his reaction to pressure

yes, but you did not explain that when you wrote it
-questions jacks setup

No crap I questioned his setup, he pulled a setup out of thin air in a closed match.

I never said that was a bad thing
-accuses tqo of sounding scummy everytime he posts

Thats cause he does

I never said he doesn't
-calls tqo "super new"

He is super new

once again I never said he wasn't
-Says that tqo has flawed logic

His logic is flawed

I never said it wasn't
-tells Jack to vote tqo

I'm noticing a trend here, thses aren't scum tells

I never said they were
-accuses tqo of exajerrating

It's not an exageration, he flat out lied

ok , EDIT-accuses tqo of lieng
-criticizes tqo for claiming a power role

Why do you think TQO claimed when he did?

because that was how he reacted to pressure
-says that everytime tqo is questioned he says how obvtown he Is

...Go read TQO's posts He does say that everytime.

I never said he didnt
-Says that tqo had bad logic (again)

This is a scum tell?

I never said they were scum tells
-questions tqo

OH NOES!?!!

look above
-says that I am scum with logic that I do not understand

OMGUS?

-Calls tqo a liar

He did lie

I never said he didn't
-accuses tqo of changing his story

Hence me calling him a liar

I never said you didn't
-explains his logic for why he said I was scummy

Go OMGUS!

you did do it
-admits that he was going for the easy lynch (tqo)

False

My mistake
-once again he sais that tqo has changed his story and lied multiple times

Because he did

.I never said he didn't
-criticizes Jack

Why so defensive of Jack?

I'm not
-once again calls tqo a liar

Thats what I tend to call people who lie

I never dais he wasn't
-misspells my name

...Now thats just rediculous

ISO 29 zhang
-questions paltry

God forbid we question people!

you did it
-defends himself against paltry Y

our scum tells need work

I never said it was a scum tell
-sais that cruelty hates day one

And here we have proof Zang didn't read the thread

?

he is obssesed with lynching tqo and is desserving of my vote so

vote:thebuttonmen

and I think that is hammer so goodbye

So glad to see I was right that Zang's scum.

I never said it was a list of scumtells or an analysis I just said that it was tbm in ISO.it was like what tqo did a few pages ago with the whole thread but I just did tbm.

[Zang]

Ok here is some more reasoning for my vote

1.both cruelty and TQO wanted a lynch.
2.My list was not a list of scum tells but an overview of everything that tbm did
3.Tbm was not scum hunting, as you can see from my overview pretty much everything he did was accusing tqo of lying/changing his story

[Zang]

Ok, it wasn't really reasoning but me pointing stuff out that you don't know-

1.

1. either this means you believe 100% in them or you're trying to shift blame off yourself

neither, I was pointing out that both tqo and cruelty believed that tbm should be lynched, and I will take 100% blame for my actions. Personaly, I believe that tqo is probably town but I'm not so sure about cruelty.

You don't hammer people to make other people happy. Best case scenario, you're appeasing misguided townies. What I see more likely is that you're scum trying to get these two people on your good side.

as I just said I wasn't really giving you reasoning for my vote, just pointing stuff out.

2.

2. so why does this make you want to lynch tbm?

look above

So

THAT'S

why hardly anybody liked your "case" on him.

I do not understand what you are saying

3.

3. he believed tqo was scum and was hunting him.

yes, he did believe tqo was scum but he was not hunting him, he just kept saying how much a liar tqo was and did not listen to anything else.

This is self-contradictory. TheButtonmen either was not scumhunting or accused The Quintastic One of being a liar changing his story. Both cannot be true.

look above

Zang changed his votes a ton on day1 and then changed his vote to get the lynch in the end. Nothing has changed to convince me that zang is anything other than scum.

I realized that I changed my vote a lot and I am willing to take full responsibility for my actions

[Zang]

@Zang: Why are you trying to justify your actions with bad, scummy reasoning?

bad and scummy? How do I have bad and scummy reasoning?

Zang: who is scum?

To Zang: Since TBM turned up town, who do you believe to be suspicious going into Day 2? I ask you specifically because everyone else seems convinced your lynch worthy, so your perspective is key right now.

my top suspects are sir cyanide and Jack. And the tbm misltnch does make tqo look a lot scumier but I think that he might be town, scum would never risk seeming so stupid.

@Zang: what does "taking full responsibility for your actions" mean in context? That you admit you moved your vote around a lot, but you don't want to give an explanation for it so we can all suck it?

it means that I am not dening it and I moved around my vote a lot because they all seemed like they could be scum.

[Zang]

@Zang: Why are you trying to justify your actions with bad, scummy reasoning?

bad and scummy? How do I have bad and scummy reasoning?

Zang: who is scum?

To Zang: Since TBM turned up town, who do you believe to be suspicious going into Day 2? I ask you specifically because everyone else seems convinced your lynch worthy, so your perspective is key right now.

my top suspects are sir cyanide and Jack. And the tbm misltnch does make tqo look a lot scumier but I think that he might be town, scum would never risk seeming so stupid.

@Zang: what does "taking full responsibility for your actions" mean in context? That you admit you moved your vote around a lot, but you don't want to give an explanation for it so we can all suck it?

it means that I am not dening it and I moved around my vote a lot because they all seemed like they could be scum.

[Zang]

Because scum are bad. QED. Scum also often use bad/flawed logic in their arguments to try and pass off their own agenda as fact, or reasonable.

I know, what I was asking was how my logic seems bad/flawed/scummy.

I think we were looking for reasons as well as names. We're going to need more than we're getting from you right now.

i will tommorow when I have more time

AND you said max 2 out of your 3 suspects could be scum (using reasoning I don't quite follow and I don't believe was ever explained)? Dude, weak.

I explained this in post 246

[Zang]

Your missing vivi, zhero and sir cyanide

[Zang]

Explainatons-

sir cyanide-like tqo said he is a douchebag but I think that this makes him scum unlike tqo. If acting like scum is to scummy to be scum than both me and tqo wouldn't be top suspects.

Jack-basically, his biggest mistake was his cop claim, he had no reason for it and I don't think he ever did explain why he did do it.

[Zang]

Jack-basically, his biggest mistake was his cop claim, he had no reason for it and I don't think he ever did explain why he did do it.

Since it's moved beyond the useful now, I'll state the obvious: it was a bit of a joke to get some discussion started. I often do this. The random vote stage annoys me. I very carefully

didn't

claim cop btw. You can call it a soft claim, but what cop in their right mind soft claims page one? That isn't even wifom.

I realized that it was a joke but it was still a big mistake

[Zang]

Jack-basically, his biggest mistake was his cop claim, he had no reason for it and I don't think he ever did explain why he did do it.

Since it's moved beyond the useful now, I'll state the obvious: it was a bit of a joke to get some discussion started. I often do this. The random vote stage annoys me. I very carefully

didn't

claim cop btw. You can call it a soft claim, but what cop in their right mind soft claims page one? That isn't even wifom.

I realized that it was a joke but it was still a big mistake

explain how it was a mistake. He just wanted to get discussion going and he succeeded. Are you trying to say that jack generating discussion is a bad thing?

well it is not bad to get discussion started but what was bad was how he did it.

[Zang]

Jack-you still haven't answered tqos question

To Jack: Elaborate as to why Strangercoug is climbing up your list of scum. Did something happen that's caught your eye? Just saying your suspicions without reason isn't going to convince anybody.

[Zang]

Or at least that's how it should be. Instead as town, you have to constantly fake being a "mafiascum.net townie". Which is precisely what the mafia are trying to fake. So you have to fill the game with power roles to let the town catch the mafia. Because we handicap the town to a huge degree by demanding that the fake it.

well you have to convince people that you are town, it does not matter if you are or not, that is how the game goes. And if you do not like it then do not play the game.

[Zang]

Why didn't you do tqo?

[Zang]

Ok, some questions-

cruelty-Why do you think strangercoug is scum?

Tqo-Besides Jack, are you suspicous of anybody?

Agar, vivi , fat Tony and zhero-who do you think is scum?

[Zang]

To Zang: Beyond Jack I have gut scum read on Strangercoug. Fat Tony is also really suspicious to me. Otherwise I don't know where I should look. Cruelty is just doing what everyone else is doing and shrugging off the claims against him and saying he doesn't know what to think about it. So I guess the main thing that's annoying me right now is that guys like Jack, Cruelty & Yourself can just coast through the arguments presented against you and shrug your shoulders as if you don't know what to think about it and they are getting away with it. In any other mafia game on here any one of you would of been lynched by now for your behavior. Whether I feel it's scummy or not in any circumstance, I feel like the town has given up this game after we lynched TBM and he wasn't scum. We were all so convinced he was guilty yet he wasn't, so I think the town has lost their will to push for anymore lynches. So at this point I'd rather the town lynch me and get the game moving already rather than sit here and act like we're all clueless pretending like we've really went through 21 pages and nobody can think of a target worthy of a majority vote.

mislynches are bad, why do you keep offering yourself for one?do you really think it will help the town?

[Zang]

Fat Tony and vivi-I know that you have said before who you thought was scum but I was wondering if your suscpicouns have changed in the recent events since you are some of the least active players.

[Zang]

You might not be scum this game, but you're scum in real life.

Wow

and sir c- I doubt he actually wanted to kill himself he probably just said it to prove a point

[Zang]

You might not be scum this game, but you're scum in real life.

Wow

and sir c- I doubt he actually wanted to kill himself he probably just said it to prove a point

His 'point' proves nothing. He should replace out.

why?just because he offered himself for lynch?

[Zang]

I may be v/la for one week starting tommorow

I'm going away and I don't know if I will have wifi access I probably will but I am unsure.

[Zang]

Ok, I have wifi but I will still have limited access, I will try to get on when I can.

And tqo was actually town and a neighbor!

[Zang]

It is your scumday he is praising you for being around on mafia for X years. So happy scum day.

This game is very dull now that tqo is dead. We really need to get things going again.

[Zang]

ok

unvote, vote zang

?

[Zang]

Zang - (4) - StrangerCoug, Vivi57, Fat_Tony, cruelty
Jack - (1) - Sir Cyanide

Any of you willing to vote cruelty?

I am

[Zang]

I am

So why aren't you? And why are you willing to? You haven't mentioned Cruelty much until now..

Also, hello to our new replacements!

sorry, did not have time to post explaination but he jumped on tbms and now my wagon with little explaination.

vote:cruelty

and welcome replacements

[Zang]

Zang is newbscum. Almost certain. Newbtown does not skulk, ask useless questions and bandwagon like that. He is also ridiculously self preserving at times. Vivi and Quin are more what I'd read as newbtown. I am prepared to end the day with a Zang lynch if noone has any serious objections.

1. I'm not newbscum I'm newbtown.

2. How am I skulking?

3. When did I ask useless questions?

4. I will admit to bandwagoning during day 1 but recently I think that I am very carefull with my vote.

5. I will also admit to self preservation, but is it bad for a townie to want to stay alive? And how is it ridiculous?

SIR CYANIDE was probably scum. He deflected all over the place, and dropped accusations on Quin for no real reason. He also deflected and posted irrelevancies a lot. I am also slightly curious as to why he wasn't modkilled along with Quin.

I do agree with this but his replacement does not seem as bad.

24 - Jack softclaims cop... what?

this is all you have to say about it!? In my opinion it was one of the most important events in the game.

70 - Zang - net cast far too wide. Siding with SC. Probscum

I do not understand what you are saying but I do not see anything wrong with this post.

82 - Zang refuses to take a stance again
89 - Zang makes Odd vote on Cyan. Still probscum.

you criticize me of making an "odd" vote right after you say that I refuse to take a stance? I see nothing wrong with the vote, how is it odd?

170 - Self preservation from Zang

look above

220 - Zang is still scum

just saying this does not explain or prove anything

236 - Zang unvotes?!

why do you sound so surprised?

269 - ~~Zang is a stallin'~~

how?

309 - Zang is still scum.

once again, saying this is not explaining/proving anything

409 - What the fuck kind of iso is this, Zang? Misspelling your name deserves a lynch? Silly scum is silly. Hammers...

I admit that it wasn't my best iso ever and isos aren't all scumtells, I put that in for comedic relief.

[Zang]

If I were to advocate that town never wants to stay alive, I'd be speedlynched; however, the highest it should be on town's agenda is second, behind scumhunting. I can think of a couple roles where best play would make it lower than that.

I could think of some too, to bad Im not any of them. And I don't think that Ive been putting staying alive a head of scumhunting.

Would somebody convince me that comedic relief belongs in Mafia please?

mafia is a serious game with serious players and sometimes I feel like I have to remind people that mafia is just a game.

[Zang]

Congradulations! on another mislynch well done!

[Zang]

Good game

I hate it when the people you think are scum actually are.

Congratulations to the scum for all making it to the end and winning!

As for the modkill, I was very tempted to modkill Sir Cyanide along with The Quintastic One. I didn't think Sir Cyanide was as bad, but he was definitely the cause for The Quintastic One and was also very rude several times so I knew I should've done something.

I noticed this, I would have brought it up in game but I didn't want to bring it up in game. To make it fair you probably should have replaced both.



And if you want to look at the neighbor quicktopic (even though there isn't much there)-

Neighbor Quicktopic

Fixed

[Zang]

For some reason I don't see my post

[Zang]

Any suggestions for future games I moderate?

Don't allow

TQO.

myself

btw;

BTW, I think Jack's point against Sir Cyanide on page 3 was a good one.

I thought it was really bad. Sometimes I have a feeling like; 'o shit I was newb, how do I save myself' but not in this game, all arguments thrown at me were rubbish if you ask me.

TQO played a good game and I sort of agree with what he said (although he took it way to far)-

"You might not be scum in the game but your scum in real life"

(ironically you were scum)

But you were a jerk to him whether it was strategy or not

[Zang]

TQO did not play a good game on any planet or in any reality.

+ the two games I have played with you, you were pretty shit too.

I wasn't even able to post more than twice in the other game, neither of which were even game related.

[Zang]

TQO did not play a good game on any planet or in any reality.

+ the two games I have played with you, you were pretty shit too.

I wasn't even able to post more than twice in the other game, neither of which were even game related.

In that game, you were asked to claim a magnitude of times and blatantly ignored it.

Yes but it was my first game, I was a newb and I didn't know what a claim was. I'm not trying to blame this on my newbness but I didn't. Anyway this is this game and not that game and there is really no point in arguing.

[Zang]

Also, trying to get a player modkilled isn't really in the spirit of the game.

Sounds like gaming the system to me, which is perfectly ok. It was brutally effective.

But besides SirC I had a really fun game, Good job Wickedestjr