Ok guys, I’m reading through the thread now. I will be posting my thoughts as I read through, so if it sounds like I’m just narrating to you I apologize. I will try to string this together into a coherent argument, but I don’t know what else I can do beyond looking towards the past to try and develop a link to scum in the present. I’ve tried to make it easier by bolding my important thoughts through the read through.
Jack Does His Soft Cop Claim:
Zang agrees to be investigated
Confidanon agrees to be investigated
Paltryexcuse doesn’t like all the role talk
Jack Asks Why We Want To Be Investigated:
TheButtonmen argues that the cop investigating the town isn’t a waste at all.
Strangercoug says I’m rolefishing and votes for me.
Jack Counters TBM by elaborating on why it’s not good for townies to volunteer investigation.
So far this makes me wonder why Jack posted his gambit in the first place. Does he suspect that everyone who answered yes are scum trying to prove themselves or did he think that he would get a bunch of confirmed townie options? He never elaborates on this, but continues to debate semantics over his soft claim.
PaltryExcuse continues to pressure myself and Jack and others to stop talking about roles. I don’t see what the harm in it was, but the fact that he vehemently wants roletalk to stop makes it seem like he’s trying to stop valuable conversation.
TheButtonmen agrees with PE that we shouldn’t be discussing roles.
Jack votes for Sir Cyanide and claims that he made a few big posts rehashing old material. But honestly I didn’t see Cyanide posting big posts with old material, if anything he was arguing with me over stupid stuff. Jack baits me to vote for Sir Cyanide and I take it. Although I didn’t think that through at all.
More pointless bantering between me, Jack and Cy.
Jack posts what he believes to be the open set up of the game:
Zang doesn’t understand why he thinks that’s the set up.
Cruelty says he will be VLA for awhile, but he does have things he wants to say.
Confidanon points out the fallacy of Jacks logic for the investigation question earlier explaining that Jack said either A) They say yes and it’s a waste B) They say no and they have something to hide or C) They are ignoring the question. I’m starting to see why people found Jack so scummy.
Jack rebuttals Zang by just saying he didn’t read carefully enough.
PaltryExcuse continues to rebuttal me saying that the roletalk is suspicious, but he doesn’t elaborate as to why he finds it suspicious.
Zang declares that he has two or three suspects, but doesn’t elaborate as to who until later. Which he says are me, but his main two suspects are Jack & Cy.
Zang says he believes Jack is scum, but he doesn’t want to risk lynching the cop, so he votes for Cy. Which is it? Lol.
TheButtonmen posts a one liner on how he finds me scummy, but doesn’t elaborate further.
He then later says that I’m not scummy, just super new, and takes the stance that I need to “stop role talking now”
Zang randomly mentions we might have another killing role.
Jack says his top suspects are the people who replied to his first question.
TheButtonMen says Jack should vote and ISO me. Yet he believed I was just super new moments before?
Strangercoug asks me why I’m still thinking Jack is the cop, because I am painting him as a nightkill target. My question to Strangercoug at this point should have been “Which do you think it is? Is Jack scummy and worthy of a lynch or is he the cop being painted for a nightkill?”
Jack continues to tell Zhero this time he hasn’t read the thread carefully, which isn’t helping at all and now that I am rereading it is kind of annoying me.
Sir Cyanide posts a huge post explaining his confrontation with me and then his reasoning why he then votes for Jack. At this point, with Jack being very little actual help to the town, I should of agreed with this.
ConfidAnon elaborates that his vote on Jack was actually a gut reaction, instead of being because of Jack posting a trap question.
He then in the same post unvotes Jack and then votes for me because “I seemed too helpful and overly concerned with people who suspect me”
Zang points out that ConfidAnon said his vote on Jack stays but he quickly switched to voting for me.
Sir Cyanide & Jack continue to argue semantics over Cy’s explanation of his point to me earlier in the game.
Cy makes a good point though that Jack willingly let the argument between me and Cy go on and even baited me and took advantage of the argument to get me to vote for Cy.
PaltryExcuse says that he believes Jack was giving us a chance to explain ourselves first. I disagree with this, it was useless insults and banter. And it took Strangercoug to come in and tell us to stop bitching for it to stop.
We’re halfway through the thread, and Jack seems super scummy to me at this point. I don’t know why I didn’t catch this before. ConfidAnon is also suspicious because he flip flops his reasons for his votes and who he’s voting for early and often. And TheButtonMen contradicted himself saying he thought I was just super new instead of scummy, but he wants Jack to vote and ISO me. So those three are looking the scummiest so far, Strangercoug and Sir Cyanide are actually having reasonable town reads from me at this point.
Zang votes for Jack and says he always thought Jack was scum. Which when you look at my notes above, is true. He says he thinks Jack is scum but doesn’t want to lynch the town cop. So far, I agree. Jack is the scummiest right now and his soul saving grace is the fact that he soft claimed Cop.
Jack continues to tell Strangercoug this time that he wasn’t reading the thread carefully enough. If this is really his only defense then he should have been lynched a long time ago.
I think Strangercoug was onto something when he said Jack was panicking scum.
PaltryExcuse sounds shocked when I finally call Jack scummy.
TheButtonMen chimes in again telling people to stop trying to figure out who the cop is, and calls me a liar for the first time. But otherwise is not help to the scum hunting.
Agar shows up and posts his reasons why he thinks that we should continue discussion on who the cop is. From my reread I don’t agree at this point that Strangercoug looks scummy. He just got caught up in the same semantics arguments with Jack that Sir Cyanide did during the first half of the thread. But I do agree that all TBM has done all game is say “stop roletalking” and then he continues to lurk.
Vivi jumps in and says that all Cy is doing is arguing, and votes for him.
Strangercoug abandons the case on Jack and then switches to me.
TheButtonMen claims I refuse to scumhunt yet he hasn’t posted a single useful post in the entire game that doesn’t consist of “stop rolefishing”. Pot, I would like you to meet Kettle.
Jack says he believes me. So does Zang.
ConfidAnon comes in and says I’m noob town and unvotes me.
Jack then votes for TheButtonMen while Sir Cyanide starts having renewed suspicions of me. In the mean time, Zhero starts to lean that I may be noob town as well.
TBM asks Agar if he’s going to post any content anytime soon. He’s posted plenty, but TBM has been utterly useless all game.
ConfidAnon votes for Zang due to flip flopping. Oh, the Irony.
PaltryExcuse also says Zangs actions have been bothering him and votes for Zang as well.
Jack also says Zang is looking bad. The wagon is building steam.
Strangercoug solidifies his vote on me and Cyanide also joins in.
PaltryExcuse continues to ask Zang at least three times in a row why he believes me, and it doesn’t seem to matter how many times Zang answers the question, PE just continues to ask the same question.
TBM says Zang is scummy.
Jack says the only reason he can think Zang is scummy is if he thinks I am innocent, but I don’t follow the logic. Even if it IS in my defense. Lol.
Vivi comes back in and unvotes for Cy in favor of voting for me due to accusing half the people in this thread of scumminess.
TBM says I am lying twice in a row, but otherwise doesn’t post any arguments. Instead he just twists my posts around to make it seem like I’m lying.
Jack tries to build pressure for a TBM vote, if I believe Jack to be scum at this point, I would say he’s trying to bus TBM. But that doesn’t make much sense either because it’s far too early for bussing.
Zang says he believes TBM to be scum but doesn’t want to vote for him yet. He did this same thing with Jack before eventually voting for him too. Lol.
So we’re almost done with the read through, and I still feel Jacks early play to be scummy. And anyone who directly scumhunts against him he’s able to talk a good game to get himself out of it as per the Cy and Coug situations. So even if Jack is scum in my mind, it’s gonna be hard to convince anyone else that he’s scum. TheButtonMen however still screams scum to me, even on the read through. As all he’s done is tunnel on me and post one line nothings and if he’s not lurking, he’s contributing nothing to the conversation. ConfidAnons real suspicious with his flip flopping and then accusing other people of the same thing. And even though they are voting for me I feel better about town reads for Strangercoug and Cyanide.
Cruelty comes into the thread and says Agar is capable as Mafia, and says that I am irritatingly pointing to town. And that Zang is horribly inconsistent. Yet none of these reasons are enough for him to place down a vote. But instead asks for other people to direct him towards situations that he should look into. I feel this is foolish, because he shouldn’t need other people to point him in any direction. If he has truly read through the entire thread like I just have, he would have MORE than enough material to vote for somebody.
TheButtonMen presses for Cruelty to look into my playstyle and still calls me a liar.
PaltryExcuse says it’s crazy to loom into one single event, and I actually agree.
Zhero says that he should look into the Jack cop investigation thing. Although I don’t think he should have been directed at all if he truly read the thread, I agree with this. I would like confirmation from someone else who might believe that after a second read through that Jack seems as scummy as I think he does.
Strangercoug unvotes me and votes Sir Cyanide. This makes me a happy panda because after this read through I trust Coug to be more town than most. But I don’t think Cy is the best lynch. He’s just a town bully.
So to finish up this super large wall of post, I’d say throughout the entire thread my top 3 suspects (in order of scumminess) are:
1) TheButtonMen, for generally lurking, being completely unhelpful and tunneling on me despite a majority of the town agreeing I’m just new to the game.
2) Jack, for his cop claim and his actions later on. I agree with Cougs early suspicion that once pressure was put on Jack he became panicked scum and did everything he could to logically talk his way out of it. Which he succeeded in doing. So he’s not just scum. He’s effective scum.
3) ConfidAnon. For being hypocritical with his flip flopping of his votes & reasons and then pointing out the same activity out of other people. I don’t like double standards, and Anon has done very little in actual scumhunting.
Honorable mentions go to the new guy, Cruelty. For what I believe to be not really reading the thread, and then trying to get other people to direct him to the most suspicious cases so he can jump on what he perceives to be the best bandwagon to jump on. Also, earlier in the game he said he DID have stuff to say before he went on VLA, but now suddenly he has nothing to go off of for a vote and wants us to guide him to his own conclusions? This seems super scummy to me, but not as scummy as my top 3 choices.
So my vote for TBM at the moment still stands.
