Chaco wrote:Also, Zoraster, I'd like you to closely check out the Thirds Post and tell me if you realize this game has a system of checks and balances.
Oh, I absolutely agree. I've taken a lot of time going through various scenarios and it's clear that most have been thought through very clearly. But that doesn't mean that certain methods won't give ADVANTAGES if we follow them through. The BP thing isn't perfect... it won't lead us to a win singlehandedly. We'll still need to scum hunt. But it does give us a significant advantage over scum, and it's one we should take.
Just because there's no way to absolutely break the game doesn't mean there's no way to take advantage of the game setup as a whole.
The Tech Tree is a distraction, quite honestly. And if we continue discussion it for much longer, we will be assisting scum more than helping town. I'd advise us to start considering buckling down and scumhunting. I really don't give five damns what power ANYONE has. Honestly, you probably shouldn't even care what power you have. We effectively are vanilla with benefits, and roles will NOT win this game.
I understand the set up of the game is going to gain discussion for the first few pages, hell, I even contributed to it, but Chaco is right. It's useless to try to plan anything out based on it. I think the best play at this point is effectively as vanilla. Anyone take issue with this?
I disagree with this. While I think it's important we get to scum hunting, discussion of the tech tree is absolutely vital to the town's success. Mafia will presumably have at the very least the night and possibly the day to hash out all their possibilities. Leaving town members, people who are probably of varying degrees of commitment to figuring out the tree, to do it on their own is to allow scum to have a significant advantage.
I'm not saying we should all announce what tech we're going for. But I think it's irresponsible not to discuss the implications of varying strategies. I haven't fully thought through everything, but even with the vote and recruit advantages scum has, I think the tree, properly used, serves to seriously help the town. The town should, in fact, win this game if we use the tech tree optimally.
Furthermore, to not discuss it allows scum to come through with a breaking strategy of their own that may well have a town counter -- if only we discuss it beforehand. I won't elaborate at this point, but I see a couple of ways this can come up and I'm sure there are others.
So no. I don't think the tree is just a disadvantage. To treat this game as merely another is to seriously underestimate the power of these roles.
But again, I agree with one thing: we still need to lynch scum. That, as always, is the key to this game.
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