Mini 905- Mafia in Sienna OVER

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/confirm

Something seems...familiar....

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Vote: Eek

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YOU'RE BOTH GETTING IT WRONG, EEK IS SCUM.
DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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pman, Eek scumpair is performing some blatant distancing.

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For what reason, ConfidAnon? Do you think that starting semirandom bandwagons early on is a good way to get discussion started?

Not random.
Not semi-random

Eek and pman are scum, you should be voting for one of them.

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I'm not defending anyone, ConfidAnon.

Ellibereth - care to supply any reasons?

Why do you need a reason to vote scum?

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It's usually helpful to explain your suspicions, is what I'm getting at. For instance, why are pman and MME down as distancing while others involved in the wagons aren't?

Because they're scum, durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Vote: My Milked Eek

*joins largest wagon in attempt to get us out of the RVS*

2 votes does not make a wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Pman

Gogogo competing bandwagons!

oh and:

♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪Just started but it's gonna grow♫
♪I'm jumpin' on a rival wagon♫
♪'Cause I'm scum, don'tcha know?♫
© Parama 2010

What melody is that to?

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Eeky, You know I'm just screwing around for the hell of it.
Pman, London Bridge is Failling Down works.

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Lynch all Lurkers. 'Nuff said.

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Answering a question with a question?
Me no likey.

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Elli, why do you think that they're scum? This is a serious question here, I won't be happy with a jokey response.

Thesp: I always find happiness in Role PMs, because I always think "this is a chance to play this role to the best of my ability!" On this one I was even happier because its a chance to be against you Thespscum! Also Thesp, very upset to not see you asking yourself the hard questions!

I don't, I was joking.

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Well I'm happy to start with a

Vote: Elli

simply for playing so differently to the opening of the previous game where she was town.

Granted, small sample size, but best I've got for now.

He damnit.
And noone came out and claimed 'nilla this time.

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I was joking around for the hell of it. I stopped because there was really no point in continuing it and I didn't feel like continuing it. Anyone who took it seriously is crazy.
Also: I'm a boy damnit.

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WHAT DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET ABOUT DOING SOMETHING FOR THE HELL OF IT.
YOU PEOPLE = LEAF.

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Jokes don't need explaining.

Unvote, Vote Leafsnail

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Ellibereth, you've once again failed to answer my question, and have instead just thrown a vote my way. Perhaps you could at least explain why you find me suspicious, or who else you find suspicious?

Gut.

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TO ELLIBERETH: why do you need to vote for leaf instead of just answering his question?

I'm voting leaf because I think he's scum. I'm not answering his questions because I don't feel like wasting my time on them.

Leafsnail: I think your scum mmkay?

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You ignored Oman, Thesp, Sotty, and CTD in your list.

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Which clearly means I don't want to anwser the same question twice. See top of this page.

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[quote="pman]
Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them [/quote]

Bullshit

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 42#2041742
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 44#2043544
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 87#2044087

Leaf, links to your games please.

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Gut should never be the only reason to think someone is mafia. If you cannot find any actual evidence that they are mafia, you should not target them

Bullshit

Vote: Ellibereth

You obviously are still joking around. once you stop my vote comes off of you.

If you aren't joking around... then my vote should really stay on you.

I'm not joking.

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Oman, if my memory serves, you never voted for me last time.
Pman, I suppose you don't want "he's scum" either? Meh, I'll pass.

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Oman, all I can tell you is that you're meta-read is wrong.
Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

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Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

What happened to voting only when you thought people were scum?

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just thought of this. How common is a post restriction in mini normal games?

Nil, explain.

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Pman, I'M NOT JOKING.
And the original reason for your vote in 102 was because you thought I was joking, correct?

No, it was because you were (and are) acting stupidly. If the acting stupid was a joke, I would unvote when you stop. But you say the acting stupid is not a joke. That is an even better reason to vote for you. Give me good reasons that you are voting for leafsnail, or unvote if you cannot find any.

What happened to voting only when you thought people were scum?

your unexplained targeting of leaf gives me extremely scummy vibes.

Nonono, you said you originally voted me for being stupid, not for being scummy.

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Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

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The above post was intended for pman.

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Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

it depends on how they are acting stupidly

if they are acting stupidly by voting for someone with no reasoning, yes.

Wrong on all accounts. Try again next time.

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Mod, replace Jase please

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Ok, so stupid = scummy according to you right now, correct?

it depends on how they are acting stupidly

if they are acting stupidly by voting for someone with no reasoning, yes.

Wrong on all accounts. Try again next time.

Explain, please. Actually explain everything have asked you to explain, instead of continuing to act stupidly.

You still haven't figured out that I'm not going to?
If not, I'm telling you now.

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It's been one real life day, seriously.

Holy crap time is slow. I thought it had been longer for some reason. He still hasn't posted once yet though.

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Vote: Wickedestjr

just a gut feeling

Now he's getting it.

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Leaf, why did you ask the following question: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 42#2041742

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Vote: Kitten

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Oh Thesp, you should join us. The CA wagon isn't looking like it's going anywhere right now.

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The CA wagon isn't looking like it's going anywhere right now.

This makes me sad. I DEMAND CHANGE

Yeah. You should CHANGE over.

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Vote: Kitten

Uh... why are you voting Kitten? More importantly, why are you only voting for her after it looked like a bandwagon was starting?

The wagon on you wasn't going to happen.

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I have a theory which I'm not going to say right now.

Unvote, Vote Budja

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If not right now, when are you planning on sharing your theory?

Maybe Budja L-1, or even after his flip. Still thinking.

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If Budja L-1, before or after he claims?

After.

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Where's Thesp?

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I could roll with that. My theory can wait.

Vote: Kitten

L-1, claim time baby!

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I want to see a claim.

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Okkkkkk, my gut now pings town on Kit for some reason. Leaving vote on for now but I still think that a Budja wagon would be good.

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Nah, I'm planning to start screaming for a Budja wagon in a few posts, but I want to hear some other peoples reactions to the claim + Kitty's new writeup of the case on leafy.

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Nah, I'm planning to start screaming for a Budja wagon in a few posts, but I want to hear some other peoples reactions to the claim + Kitty's new writeup of the case on leafy.

To me that sounds like: "I'm would vote for Budja, but I'm going to wait until other people say if it's okay to unvote someone I think is pro-town"

Waiting to here reactions and a promised case is different from wanting approval from others.

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And yeah, my read on Kitten leans town, but I really don't mind leaving my vote on a claimed vanilla.

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Nah, I'm planning to start screaming for a Budja wagon in a few posts, but I want to hear some other peoples reactions to the claim + Kitty's new writeup of the case on leafy.

To me that sounds like: "I'm would vote for Budja, but I'm going to wait until other people say if it's okay to unvote someone I think is pro-town"

Waiting to here reactions and a promised case is different from wanting approval from others.

My main point is this. Why wait for those things if you think she is town?

There wouldn't be any point if I told you why, would there?
Everything I do has a purpose and I'll choose to reveal those whenever I do so. You should also know by now continuing to question me will give you no dividends.

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I still really don't get this wagon.

..and Elli just dropped all of his town points. Seriously, the way he got a vanilla claim then suddenly changes his mind on gut is horrible.

Did I say at some point that I had a gut scum read on Kitten? If I did I don't remember.

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Well if you're jumping on just to see a claim on someone that you think is town, I'm calling that rolefishing.

Rock and a hard place, eh?

Meh, I really don't mind wagoning someone that I had a mostly null read on.

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I want competing wagons betwen kitten and Elli. Hence my unvote; vote Ellibereth.

Hai. Try again next time.

I'm still feeling Kittentown from that case post (not that I agree with the case itself).
Ythill, Oman, and Ctd are also town.

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I don't mind wagoning someone I a have a null-read on to a claim. Actually it's not that I don't mind. I like it.

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Unvote, Vote:Elli

Hai. Try again next time.
I think I made it clear I voted to see a claim when I put her at L-1.
I'm still voting her even though I have a gut town read cause i don't mind lynching a VT claim D1.
Not switching to Budja because i would want a wagon and there is 0 momentum there right now.

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He's playing like a BM alt

Nope. Try again.
Seriously though, I like going with completely with my gut until a flip contradicts my gut. Hence my D1 play.

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I actually agree that lynching me today wouldn't be the worst move in the world.
The only two realistic look lynches that look like they'll actually happen right now or Kitten and myself. I am pretty sure Kitten is town, and from a completely concrete point of view our lives are worth the same. Yes, I am claiming that I'm from Vermont.
Leafy, I do ask of you not to call me a newb and apply newbtown tells on me. I will assure you that I am not one and that I'm just a lazy person who goes completely on his gut D1 and does not like to type out cases.

Off the top of my head reads:
TOWN: Oman, Ythill, Kitten, Ctd, Wick
NULL: Sotty, Leaf, Pman, Eek
SCUM: Budja, Thesp

If either Budja or Thesp flip scum, I find the other very likely scum. My gut found the Confid - Thesp relationship this game different than the other game and I could feel more distancing coming this time.
If I'm wrong and Kitten flips scum later, Sotty is very likely scum with her.
Pman, Sotty leans more town than scum, but they're still in Nullland.
Leaf, Eek, leans more scum that town, but they're still in Nullland.
I'm not going to go type up a case on anyone now. But just to humor me:

Vote: Budja

even though it probably won't happen today. I hope you guys string him up after I go though.

I will be absent Fri-Sun AEST.
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(Yes, I will post today before I leave tomorrow)

Lynch all Liars

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Eh, fair enough. I suppose "Obstructive town" could replace newbtown.

I still feel Elli to be town.

Meh? The lack of comment of the more important parts of the post feels uncharacteristic of you.

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It's difficult to comment on suspicions which have no real cases behind them, to be honest. Seems sorta genuine, though.

Use your gut. Budja <-> Thesp relation, agree/disagree.

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I am pretty sure Kitten is town, and from a completely concrete point of view our lives are worth the same. Yes, I am claiming that I'm from Vermont.

Bad joke...I know. Vermont tis be Vt.

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How many times do I have to tell pman that I wasn't joking and was completely serious...
And if it isn't obvious yet, I don't care what you think is protown and what you think is not.
Because I'm curious: For the peoples who think Ima scum, who do you think my buddie(s) would be?

As a friendly reminder: Budja tomorrow.

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How many times do I have to tell pman that I wasn't joking and was completely serious...
And if it isn't obvious yet, I don't care what you think is protown and what you think is not.
Because I'm curious: For the peoples who think Ima scum, who do you think my buddie(s) would be?

As a friendly reminder: Budja tomorrow.

I'm inclined to think this Budja thing is just distancing, I never understood your case on him. So maybe Budja?

and maybe you weren't joking, but your play was hampering the town.

I didn't make a real case against him. I don't like cases.
Maybe Budja what? Maybe you can lynch Budja?

My play wasn't hampering the town at all. It was just hampering you and your idea of how mafia should be played. The reason I'm at L-1 right now is not because of unreasoned voting or joking.

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maybe Budja is your scumbuddy.

so yes, maybe we can lynch him

Try again next time.
Feel free to lynch him after I flip town though. And then thesp.

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YAY, worst/second-worst game on sight. I apologzie to everybody for epicly failing/playing like an idiot. I have no idea what I was on D1...
Bleh, at least some of my reads were right, for all the wrong reasons...
GG scum.

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EBWOP: And I can't spell "site"...