Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Seacore]

Obviously Cobalt has a role.
It's probably safe to assume that Elvis, Vi and Chamber got one as well, although obviously less than certain.
I'm not going to pick any of them for my RVS because maybe they can be uber helpful town.

Vote SerialClergyman

, an OMGUS from another game.

[Seacore]

I'm opening up a conversation because the sooner RVS ends and conversation starts, the easier it is to scum hunt.

As far as I can see, there are two points against me.

One, I was encouraging people to speed up the drafting process by explaining why there's no need to wait for the mod before picking.

Two, I'm ALWAYS interested in how games differ from standard mafia, and this game has interested as usual. Normally you have no idea who has roles and who doesn't, but this time around we know at least one person who does. This is important information and information I'd rather was out there from the get go. One of my pet hates is people playing dumb because they don't understand the rules or logical deductions from said rules. I like getting things out there, open and transparent.

As for why am I not worried about someone who may be an uberscum? I am worried about uberscum, but to me, umberscum are just a little more dangerous than normal scum, whereas ubertown is a lot more helpful than vanilla town.

[Seacore]

Seacore 30 wrote:
One, I was encouraging people to speed up the drafting process by explaining why there's no need to wait for the mod before picking.
That's not what I read.
Quote:
although I imagine it won't hurt to just pick, since there's no communication [between players] during this time.

Well there's communication between mod and players... I don't get what your problem is with this?

[Seacore]

If the framer claimed and was proven town, that would mean the bulletproof player could claim, be investigated, and then be a safe town voice for all the game, which would be sweet.
I can think of several problems with that happening though, anybody got any ideas on how to make it possible?

[Seacore]

Yeah, I did completely forget about empowerer beating bulletproof. Damn

[Seacore]

Also, I'm so sick of this "I disagree with your idea, therefore you must be scum" bullshit. Go check out my other two games (in which I died) and see how well it worked out for town then.

[Seacore]

Vi, I still don't get what you're saying, and why what I said in the sign up thread is scummy.

[Seacore]

I have no idea who is scum at this point, which is why I haven't moved my RVS, although ironically I'm getting a really good townread off SerialClergyman so I should

Unvote

To clear up my draft phase comment, it was me letting people know that there was no possible reason to hold up the game, by trying to answer and potential question.

Vote: Cobalt

Probably the closest to a scum move. I assume somebody on my bandwagon is scum, I don't think it's Vi or SC. Damning me for discussing another person's claim idea (and extensions there on) is not helpful for town, SC's reaction was better "no, I thought of that for a moment too, and its bad because of this"

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

Seacore

- 6 - BloodCovenent, Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, elvis_knits, Cobalt, chamber - (L-6)

FishytheFish

- 2 - Dramonic, budja - (L-10)

elvis_knits

- 1 - Vi - (L-11)

Dramonic

- 1 - devotress - (L-11)

Cobalt

- 1 - Seacore - (L-11)

BloodCovenent

- 1 - StrangerCoug - (L-11)

Players not voting: Vaya, TonyMontana, SerialClergyman, Plum, FishytheFish, Farside22, Faraday, drippinggoofball, Cruciare, Benmage

Nice try, Seacore, but that's totally unreasonable.
1) There is zero reason for a town player to choose the framer role.
2) There is zero reason for a scum player to claim framer.

I think one of your partners picked framer, and you wanted to set up town cred for them.

Actually, there is a reason for town to choose framer. So scum can't. I thought of it and so did Budja. Your absolute statements are not helping anybody, nor are your quotes of your own comments that are on the same page.

[Seacore]

He's an idea I was playing with while cleaning just now.

What if, starting at the bottom of the draft, Vanillas claimed, stating what their request was.

It doesn't (until we get close to the top) really pinpoint who has the role, just that its out there and somewhere above that person. It gives us a bit to work with.
It gives the scum more, which is a downside, but that's the downside of every claim.

[Seacore]

EBWOP,

He's = here's, obviously.

To go further with what I was saying, it means a bunch of us will have to claim that we have a role. But I think enough of us will have roles, so its not a big deal.

[Seacore]

Because, getting a bit of role info out, on what is likely a heavily role infested game, gives us a lot to work with.
And I've already seen the effect of your scum hunting techniques, you vote for an innocent guy (granted I'm the only one who knows this for 100%)

And who says I'm not scum hunting, just because I don't make a big noise doesn't mean I'm not looking closely at peoples posts. But I like to wait until I have something.

[Seacore]

I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not now.

I agree, not now, but if we ask for info now, sometimes scum forget the info they gave by day 3

[Seacore]

I wouldn't be surprised if this setup could be broken apart at some point, but not now.

I agree, not now, but if we ask for info now, sometimes scum forget the info they gave by day 3

What?

Sigh, I don't think this is hard to follow.

Information from scum on Day 1 locks them in. They have to lie and maintain consistency, or tell the truth and get locked into what they've said.

I don't think I'll get a day 1 lynch out of this information.
But I think we might be able to get a day 2+ lynch out of it.


Also, keep in mind that scum will be actively hunting each other and the SK, and the Vig if there is one, because having the only NK is a pretty sweet deal.

[Seacore]

Anyway, Cobalt is irritating me, maybe I'm just in a bad mood because I'm unwell, but I'm going to log off for a bit, to avoid posting with emotion.

[Seacore]

unvote. Vote Devotress

One of several people who have decided to take the worst outcome of my idea and labelled me scum for it. It was just something I thought of 5 minutes before I wrote it and was looking for other people's inputs.
Yes, I agree now it was a bad idea (although I don't think it's as woeful as has been suggested)

I disagree with TM's "slip." I too often pull apart novel concepts like this one, I don't think you need to be in a team to do it. You just need a job with too much spare time

[Seacore]

Pls explain

[Seacore]

The will of the universe has declared it.

Oh, you're useless anti-town, thanks

[Seacore]

What do you think about DGB's assumption that the scum are talking?

I'm not sure that they could have really...

The game started very fast, from role confirmation to day 1 opening.

[Seacore]

Pom, not to be picky, but just call me Sea, almost as easy as SC and other people (including myself) use SC for Serial

[Seacore]

farside, I knew what I said in the post, I was asking why it seemed scummy as it seemed innocent to me.

Also, I think there's going to be at least 10-14 people with PRs in this game. So outting them didn't seem immediately bad, but as I've said I was asking for opinions, I wasn't pushing the idea.

[Seacore]

What am I?

Chopped Liver?

I'm gonna go with Coug

[Seacore]

farside, I knew what I said in the post, I was asking why it seemed scummy as it seemed innocent to me.

You never pointed to why it wasn't scummy. Vi had to point it out. Why didn't you just say hey this is what the mod said instead of just pussy footing around the statement?

I, in fact, did say why it wasn't scummy in post 30. When Vi stay preoccupied with it I asked her to clarify why she thought it was so scummy, and could not understand her answers.

[Seacore]

^ Lol

At Mod: I just realised that Pom is down for voting for me and not voting for anybody

[Seacore]

Yeah, as much as I'm all for people jumping off me, onto one of my accusers, this just stinks of scum wagoning. Especially for those who can't determine for themselves whether the meta-reasoning is accurate.

[Seacore]

Scum hunting with reasons they feel they can defend?

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 3 - chamber, Cruciare, FishytheFish - (L-9)

chamber

- 1 - Benmage - (L-11)

devotress

- 2 - SerialClergyman, Seacore - (L-10)

drippinggoofball

- 1 - budja - (L-11)

elvis_knits

- 7 - Vi, Xylthixlm, Cobalt, Pomegranate, Faraday, BloodCovenent, Dramonic - (L-5)

Seacore

- 5 - elvis_knits, devotress, TonyMontana, Farside22, StrangerCoug - (L-7)

TonyMontana

- 1 - drippinggoofball - (L-11)

Players not voting: Plum, Vaya

Budja, why Dram and BC but not Cobalt?

[Seacore]

That doesn't excuse jumping onto an already substantial bandwagon for the kicks of it.

You don't have anything to contribute? Then fine, but stay off that bandwagon if you're town, because you're hiding the scum that are jumping on it.

[Seacore]

Oh,

Unvote. Vote Dramonic

[Seacore]

Just out of curiousity, Cobalt, is that because I look guiltier from my recent actions or because you're hopping off the Elvis bandwagon?

[Seacore]

Just out of curiousity, Cobalt, is that because I look guiltier from my recent actions or because you're hopping off the Elvis bandwagon?

[Seacore]

Yes, we all know I"m horrible and scummy.

However, my earlier scumminess didn't stop you from changing your vote to Elvis before.

Now you've changed back. And I'd like to know whether it's because you're scared of the heat that people, like you, are getting for jumping on elvis for little reason, like you did.

Or do you not like how I went after somebody who jumped on Elvis's bandwagon after saying they didn't know why people were doing it, thus revealling myself to be scumier than before? Since that was my only action in between you changing your vote to Elvis and changing your vote back to me, I'd like to know.

[Seacore]

The SC that has been referred to a lot is SerialClergyman

as there's Seacore, SerialClergyman and StrangerCoug

So we're shortening it to Sea, SC, and Coug

that might be the confusion

The list is also in the order of townishness in my opinion (because I know I'm town) but the general consensus seems to be that SC is the most town of the three.

[Seacore]

Elvis, who is saying the Vig would claim after a kill, whether they hit a scum or not? So why is "accepting it" even a thing?

I'm not even sure the rules suggest that we'd know the difference between a scum kill, a SK kill and a Vig kill.

[Seacore]

I agree with cruciare about the scum buddies, the 275-276 dialogue flashed a warning sign right at me.
Bringing up something like bussing, elvis responding in an attacking 'joke' and the difusing...

Thats enough for me

Unvote. Vote Elvis

And I hadn't realised exactly how much BC has been vote hoping, I haven't had a chance to do ISO examination...

That's e_k at L-2 now

[Seacore]

Crap, L-1 didn't see Ben's post.

[Seacore]

Lol comedy counts

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 1 - FishytheFish - (L-11)

Cobalt

- 2 - elvis_knits, drippinggoofball - (L-10)

devotress

- 1 - SerialClergyman - (L-11)

Dramonic

- 2 - devotress, budja - (L-10)

elvis_knits

- 10 - Xylthixlm, Pomegranate, Faraday, BloodCovenent, Dramonic, Vi, Cobalt, chamber, Cruciare, Seacore - (L-2)

Seacore

- 3 - TonyMontana, Farside22, StrangerCoug - (L-9)

Players not voting: Benmage, Plum, Vaya

I second this call.

*shudder* why do I feel all unclean so suddenly? Oh, because I'm agreeing with Cobalt. Where's my scotch?

[Seacore]

My government doesn't like it when I do that at work... but soon.

[Seacore]

Unvote

I'm not entirely convinced, but I want to give it more thought, and I won't really be on over the weekend to stay on top of it.

[Seacore]

Actually, yeah,

Vote BloodCovenant

For the blatant wagonhopping and just a pinch of OMGUS

[Seacore]

Dude, fake quoting can get out of hand, do it some different way.

Anyway, I forgot about elvis being high in the draft (actually, I forgot about the draft all together) when I placed the vote.

But it does make me look hypocritical and I'm cool with wearing the blame and votes for it.

[Seacore]

Thats fine, I wouldn't believe me either and I'm kicking myself for contradicting myself. Can't do much about it now though.

[Seacore]

Look, I could try and defend it by saying that several people told me not to consider the draft when voting, because it's giving those scum with powers a free pass.
I could say that I'd changed my mind after 12 pages of text.

But the fact is that I went "holy crap, that conversation between DGB and Elvis looks scummy, I'm jumping aboard.

[Seacore]

@Fish - Actually it seems it was just Vi and Elvis, although Elvis commented twice. First 2 pages of posts.

@Cobalt, I see no problem with Fish's story, it seemed consistent to me. He just didn't spell it out until you pushed him into doing so.

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 2 - Pomegranate, Seacore - (L-10)

budja

- 3 - Xylthixlm, SerialClergyman, Vi - (L-9)

Dramonic

- 4 - devotress, budja, StrangerCoug, drippinggoofball - (L-8)

elvis_knits

- 4 - Faraday, Dramonic, chamber, Cruciare - (L-8)

Seacore

- 5 - TonyMontana, Farside22, elvis_knits, Cobalt, FishytheFish - (L-7)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, Plum, Vaya

*jumped on at the peak of the Fishy wagon (for what it's worth) and tried to say "oh there may already be scum on this three-person wagon"

Um, Vi, I think Budja was trying to say there was scum on my wagon at that point, and just got confused by the aquatic references. That's his case anyway.

However, goes from saying scum have jumped on against me to voting for me after my claiming idea, but then emphasising "not just for this obv" which is interesting.

Also, good catch on the EK opinion change.

I don't like Dramonic, Cobalt, EK or Budja, but I also don't like BC... so many options, I think I'll keep mine where its at until next week.

[Seacore]

They were better reasons that the ones which started the whole wagon IMO.

What were?

What were your reasons for jumping on my bandwagon? As in your post, you stated that...

Bulletproof is much better unknown as is bomb. This just helps scum.

unvote, vote Seacore (not just for this obv.)

So either you voted for me because of my bad idea, which means you lied in your voting post, or you voted for me because of earlier cases, in which case you just lied in the above post.

[Seacore]

I'm back, and having a brief catchup haven't seen much to change my mind

My scum targets are Brudja, BC and Dramonic more than anybody else. So I'll leave my vote where it is and clearly state that I'm prepared to hammer on any of them should the opportunity pressent itself.

It's also interesting that Cruc left Vi and Elvis off the star list, (and added StrangerCoug, but that bit's not that interesting)

[Seacore]

All the wagons on players I find scummy are populated by scummish or shady players and all the players I feel are town are on wagons I wouldn't want to vote ('cept BC, but he's not a top-tier scumpick).

I don't think wagons with probable scum on them are necessarily bad, remembering that they are also scum hunting (and scum hunting significantly more info than us)

[Seacore]

I don't think wagons with probable scum on them are necessarily bad, remembering that they are also scum hunting (and scum hunting significantly more info than us)

It's true that they're scumhunting. But their info is exclusively about not lynching their own team. So it's going to be monumentally unhelpful for us.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear.

Plum seemed to suggest that he had found particularly scummy people he wanted to vote for, but then found that only scummy people were on those bandwagons and thus wanted to avoid joining them.
I'm merely pointing out that scum on the bandwagon doesn't necessarily mean the target isn't scum. In fact, scum are less likely to get confusing cross wires, since they're only after 1 scum team (and a SK) with their scum hunting.

I'm not saying that we let scum lead the way, I'm just saying we shouldn't by shy about joining them in lynching someone we think is guilty.

[Seacore]

I agree, it smells of post-case explanation, rather than a reason

[Seacore]

I agree, both didn't come off looking good there, and I had issues with Devotress back in the peak of my wagon, but I think we've got better cases in both Budja and BC

[Seacore]

I must have missed it, where's the case for Coug?

[Seacore]

Actually I just had a look over Vi's, Xyl's and Coug's posts and I can't see anything that says Coug is scum.

Except for the fact that he voted for dramonic and then later said "I can't see a case on Dramonic" which is scummy, but no where near as bad as other scum actions.

So what gives people? Esplain jorselves.

[Seacore]

Fair enough, I'd call that a moderate scum case.

Is there a reason you don't like the Budja or BC cases? Which I feel are stronger

[Seacore]

Mod: Likely V/LA til the 4th of Jan

In reality, I might be popping on and off but it's unlikely because I will be trying to put as much christmas ham in my mouth as is possible.

For days.

[Seacore]

I was resistant to Coug's supposed guilt, but the case just keeps stacking up.

I particularly don't like his focus on Benmage pushing the Elvis tactic when several of us (myself included) agree with it.

I'm still willing to vote for my earlier list, but before signing off (again most likely for the hols) I'm going to

unvote. Vote StrangerCoug

[Seacore]

@Mod: Pom's vote is still on the list against BC

...awesome. I have no idea what/who the program is missing now. I'm on it

[Seacore]

short notes while I'm still basically V/LA

SC is not scum, prompting an idea that you don't agree with does not = scum. SC has been radiating town all day 1. Simply asking the question does not change this.

I think DGB has basically come out and said that he chose Bulletproof as his role. Maybe didn't get it. If that's true, it's in the top 13.

I'm happy with the Vig claim, but don't accept it for a moment as a town read.

That's all I got right now. I'm waiting for elvis.

[Seacore]

Yay, thanks Elvis.

Vote Elvis

[Seacore]

Vote Xyl

I am the Watcher.

Last night I was sitting in my tree outside of Elvis's place and Xyl came in.

Xyl and only Xyl.

Assuming we believe Cobalt about his Vig claim then Xyl must be scum.

[Seacore]

Yeah, but give somebody a chance to counter claim me anyway. If I get killed it'll give more info.

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

BloodCovenent

- 1 - chamber - (L-8)

budja

- 1 - BloodCovenent - (L-8)

drippinggoofball

- 2 - Xylthixlm, Farside22 - (L-7)

Xylthixlm

- 7 - Cobalt, Seacore, Benmage, FishytheFish, Faraday, drippinggoofball, TonyMontana - (L-2)

Players not voting: budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, SerialClergyman, Vaya

Thats a fair call. Based on my claim anyway.

A lot of people were reading me (accurately) as town during day 1 and 2. But I agree that my claim doesn't make me town.
Even when my claim proves true (or very likely true) with Xyl's death.

[Seacore]

Sorry, what's too easy about the claim?

I watched Elvis N1 as well, but got nothing.

I've personally ignored DGB's pages of data/interpretation/conclussions because

a) I'm not going to check that she's being consistent with her data (and some people have already suggested she isn't)

b) As SC has pointed out, it doesn't take into account vital information

c) It assumes everybody (particularly scum) do the best (and in the case of scum, coordinated) voting strategies.

I'm not saying not to post it, I'm not saying it may not lead you to scum, I'm saying I'm not going to use it because I don't like it and I don't feel it'll lead me to scum.

[Seacore]

Against, thanks again for letting us know that you're scum by only worrying about yourself.

It is not scummy to defend yourself.

It is particularly not scummy to see a gaping whole in somebody's theory which is highlighted because you know you're town.

It's also not scummy to first question the theory for half a few posts before then taking up the scum hunting, particularly when we already have a lynch for today.

[Seacore]

I like BC and Vaya for the two we have left.

[Seacore]

He doesn't need to.

If you lead a bandwagon against him, then he may be obliged to prove his innocence.

If you want to lead a strong bandwagon against him, then feel free to do your own investigation (possibly using his own methods against him).

But until then, let's just lynch Xyl. We'll have more information tomorrow.

[Seacore]

@chamber

If I'm lying about being the watcher, Xyl flips clean and I die during the night or tomorrow. The real watcher has nothing to gain here by outing themselves, since I'm likely to be believed enough for Xyl to be lynched anyway.

If a scum wants to fake counter claim, they'd be an idiot at this point because there's a half decent claim against Xyl as it is, Xyl's going to die today and the fake claimer will be lynched tomorrow (or tonight) when Xyl flips scum.

In conclussion, nobody's going to save Xyl, so I think we should get it over with.

[Seacore]

I already posted that both of my watches have been on Elvis, nothing happened N1

[Seacore]

Crap, not a good night for us.

Also, good work Cobalt, which one was yours and why shouldn't we fry you for it?

[Seacore]

I'm annoyed, but not surprised, that SC got killed, he was one of my sure bets.

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

BloodCovenent

- 1 - chamber - (L-6)

chamber

- 2 - Cobalt, drippinggoofball - (L-5)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, Farside22, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana

This is information that the scum could have if they wanted, so I thought it should be out in front for us all to see.

Cop – 2 – Elvis – Dead
Vig – 1 – Cobalt*
Doc – 6 – Faraday - Dead
Jailkeeper –
Bulletproof –
Empowerer – 21 – Haylen – Dead
Bomb –
Roleblocker –
Framer wrote – 3 – Vi – Dead
One-Way Driver – 20 – Devotress - Dead
Doublevoter – 16 Vaya – Dead
Watcher – 10 – Seacore*
Tracker –

This leaves Jailkeeper, Bulletproof, Bomb, Roleblocker and Tracker
I'm not sure whether to read Chamber's claim of Bulletproof as serious, so I've left him off.
The * are to show that Cobalt and I have claimed it, but it's not quite proven (although I think him claiming a town kill and me successfully directing the Xyl lynch are proof enough of our roles if not our alleigences)

Dramonic has claimed vanilla early if I remember correctly.
That leaves (including Chamber) 9 unclaimed townies, with only 5 roles to choose from.
Based on my night action, which I'm not going to reveal because it doesn't help us enough to offset the danger, I know that one of those 9 has a role, and that it's an active role (due to nature of my role as a watcher, I obviously wouldn't see the effects of Bomb or Bulletproof) so for me it's 8 unclaimed townies with 4 of 5 possible roles.

[Seacore]

I would like everybody to post before we get a lynch, but I'm happy for a chamber lynch.

Keep in mind we may have a tracker out there. There were 3 kills last night there's a chance the tracker may have seen one.

[Seacore]

One thing that is also obvious, but weaker players (like me as I only just really concreted in my head) may not immediately see, there are no scum teams left. Just two solo scum, who are no doubt eager to find each other.

That's the one hole in Cobalt's chamber theory, scum should be incredibly eager to scum hunt.

[Seacore]

Yeah, I'm thinking that too, which is why I'm still happy with my future Chamber vote.

If you haven't noticed by now, I just dump all my thinking into the threads.

[Seacore]

Is that you officially claiming bulletproof Chamber?

[Seacore]

Cool, I just wanted it clearly stated.
Reposting my updated list

Cop – 2 – Elvis – Dead
Vig – 1 – Cobalt*
Doc – 6 – Faraday - Dead
Jailkeeper –
Bulletproof – 4 - Chamber*
Empowerer – 21 – Haylen – Dead
Bomb –
Roleblocker –
Framer wrote – 3 – Vi – Dead
One-Way Driver – 20 – Devotress - Dead
Doublevoter – 16 Vaya – Dead
Watcher – 10 – Seacore*
Tracker –

This leaves Jailkeeper, Bomb, Roleblocker and Tracker

Dramonic has claimed vanilla early if I remember correctly.

That leaves 8 unclaimed townies, with only 4 roles to choose from.
Based on my night action, which I'm not going to reveal because it doesn't help us enough to offset the danger, I know that one of those 8 has a role, and that it's an active role (due to nature of my role as a watcher, I obviously wouldn't see the effects of Bomb) so for me it's 7 unclaimed townies with 3 of 4 possible roles.

[Seacore]

I believe solo scum would get their NK and their role, is that what you mean?

[Seacore]

Lets bold it up for him, I believe he skims rather than reads

Mod: Would a solo scum get both actions?

[Seacore]

Could the doctor have blocked Cobalt's vig kill twice in a row?

[Seacore]

a)I may have missed you saying it earlier, but I didn't know that's who you targeted, Cobalt.

b) All I'm saying is that it doesn't guarantee that those roles exist.

c) At least one of them, or tracker exists.

d) I agree with chamber, muzzling Cobalt does not equal scum, cobalt could be scum.

[Seacore]

I think Chamber is scummy for other reasons, but not this one.

[Seacore]

Actually, I agree. I retract my previous attributed scum motivation

[Seacore]

quote]
More likely there was no block on the vig because the scum feared the watcher looking in on the vig to see who was blocking him
[/quote]

I did consider doing that, but thought that if he was being Jailed, it wouldn't work.
Which, if you're correct, suggests we have an RB, not a JK

[Seacore]

Farside, I think we should just let it rest for now.
You want chamber lynched,
I want chamber lynched,
Cobalt wants chamber lynched.\
Chamber secretly wants chamber lynched, because he's sick like that.

I'd like to hear from everybody else

Benmage, BloodCovenent, budja, Cruciare, DeathNote, Dramonic, FishytheFish, TonyMontana

These people need to post

[Seacore]

jailing someone stops them from proforming actions too. It could be either an RB or a JK.

You've missed my point.

A jailer would not be concerned about a watcher, since jailing makes Cobalt immune to a watcher's ability.

Only a Roleblocker would be concerned about a watcher

[Seacore]

Doesn't it also protect the target from night actions?

Checking now

[Seacore]

Ah, very good. Stupid Seacore, should have watched Cobalt.

Although, looks like it worked out for the best this time.

[Seacore]

The Day's been going for less than 3 hours, we'll be at least waiting for everybody to post. I'm hoping a tracker is out there (I knew I should have picked tracker)


Actually. What do people think of a Vanilla townie who picked tracker as their option claiming that they did so? So we know if there's one out there.
Also, what do people think of Dramonic declaring what he chose?

[Seacore]

Chamber claimed 1171

Roles that are bad for scum to have around

Watcher,
Tracker,
Vig

So they've already got two kills to choose from.
Knowing that there's a tracker in the game but not who it is could help.

For example, if Farside is vanilla and chose Tracker, there's 6 people the tracker could be, not great info for the scum (considering they can only maybe eliminate one more) but good info for us.

I'm not pushing for it, I'm just better phrasing my thought.

[Seacore]

I doubt a Town Jailer is going to protect Cobalt or Myself tonight, so I assume at least one of us will die (I think best case scenario is that both scum target the same one).

[Seacore]

Actually, with your post I now think I'm definitely dead.

They leave you and opposing scum alive because they hope the town will be killed as soon as possible.
But they kill me because I'm not only confirmed information role.

It's been nice knowing you all.

[Seacore]

Um, I have some info now that I didn't have before and I'm not sure how to use it. I'll probably get blasted for this, but I'll do it anyway.

There are two possibilities

1) We have a tracker (and I know who it is)
or
2) I have found a scum

[Seacore]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

BloodCovenent

- 2 - chamber, Cruciare - (L-5)

chamber

- 3 - Cobalt, drippinggoofball, Farside22 - (L-4)

drippinggoofball

- 1 - budja - (L-6)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, DeathNote, Dramonic, FishytheFish, Seacore, TonyMontana

I'll wait for a couple more opinions, but I'm leaning towards your thoughts here.

Watcher is such a damn interesting role...

[Seacore]

Hmmm, that means I don't have to do my thing anymore.

Oh wait, BC is scum, I'll do it anyway.

[Seacore]

Okay, that's enough interest on my part.

I watched you through the windows last night DGB, nice PJs.

DGB was paid a visit by Budja.

Budja has since voted for DGB.

Budja must be Tracker, Roleblocker or Jailer.

However, there were three kills last night. If Budja is town RB or town Jailer, then he would know that DGB cannot be scum (or Vig for that matter). So therefore, the only role town-Budja can be is Tracker.

If Budja is not town, this opens up all three possibilties.


ACTUALLY, hold on a second... If Budja is town, he must be Tracker. If Budja is Tracker then he must have seen DGB Nightkill.

Why didn't he claim this?

Did I just prove Budja is scum?

[Seacore]

Vote: Budja

[Seacore]

Have you checked through my logic, Cobalt? Am I missing anything?

RB/Jailer Budja would know the night kills couldn't have been caused by DGB and therefore must know of DGB's innocence.

Tracker Budja would know DGB didn't go anywhere, or he would have said something, therefore must know of DGB's innocence.

One of the above must be true (or I'm lying about my findings), therefore Budja is trying to lynch somebody he knows is town.

[Seacore]

I'm all for this.
It doesn't work perfectly when the last scum NK's you and RB's me, or the other way around, but thats fine.

It means that either chamber or BC is town, which is odd.

[Seacore]

Which means we still have a tracker somewhere.

I'd be really comfortable with them claiming now

[Seacore]

Yeah, but assuming I'm right, there's only 1 scum left going into N4. Getting the info out there is probably going to be helpful.

[Seacore]

1.) Cobalt - Vig
4.) Chamber - Bulletproof
8.) Budja - Something
9.) Cruciare -
10.) Seacore - Watcher
11.) TonyMontana -
12.) BloodCovenant - VT (asked for Tracker)
13.) DrippingGoofball -
15.) FishytheFish -
17.) Farside22 -
18.) Benmage -
19.) PomegranateDeathNote -
22.) Dramonic - VT (asked for ??)

Yeah, I'm pro mass claim at this point. The remaining scum have/has plenty of choices already for roles and NK

[Seacore]

That works for me.

[Seacore]

Why didn't you provide information immediately about somebody who visited a townie the night that they died?

[Seacore]

I'm comfortable with the first stage of that plan Cobalt, but not so much the second.

But we can decide that half when we get to it.

[Seacore]

Thats nice DeathNote, do you have anything to add on the rest of the game?

[Seacore]

Budja voted for DGB straight off the bat. Listing some points as to why that was apporopriate.

If you were going to try and make an argument for somebody to be lynched wouldn't you supply ALL your information. Particularly your most damning piece of evidence.

As a side note if Budja is telling the truth, then DGB must be the roleblocker or scum.

[Seacore]

But you don't understand. DGB may not be scum
Budja almost certainly is scum, tracker or not.

[Seacore]

vote chamber

No offence cobalt, but I'm going to vote for you tomorrow, just in case. But I'm happier with a chamber vote today.

[Seacore]

@Cobalt I just think we've taken you for granted as town because of your evidence as Vig.

[Seacore]

Dramonic is barely in the game. He also hasn't posted in another game that he's in (that I've been watching because I was in it)

[Seacore]

I agree with the mass claim option, btw.

We've got to have some kind of roleblocker out there, and also apparently a bomb.

[Seacore]

I think we can be pretty comfortable with me not being scum, since I single handidly nailed a scum on both teams.

[Seacore]

I can't say that I've never been RB'd

One N1 I watched Elvis and saw nobody.
Last night I watched somebody and got no result.

Either of these could have been RB'd rather than just nobody visiting.

[Seacore]

I"ll vote cruciare once there's a mass claim.

Also, I think the people on the 'suspect list' should claim first.

[Seacore]

I can think of a reason why Dramonic's role choice is not terrible, so lets not jump the gun. We should wait for him to post his reasons.

[Seacore]

Unvote. Vote: Cruciare

[Seacore]

I believe that's L-1

[Seacore]

I'm not happy with your reason there Dramonic

You picked it so a potential cop wouldn't be screwed with, but you were last. You choosing it wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference whether scum could get it or not.

Please explain

[Seacore]

Sounds like a plan

[Seacore]

Is there anything wrong with this plan.

From this point on we (more or less informally) nominate who Cobalt kills.

I watch Cobalt every night so he can't get RB'd without us finding the scum who does it.

This way:
if Cobalt is scum, his vig power is reduced by having us nominate who he kills
if Cobalt is town, his vig power is enhanced by being protected (effectively) against RB.

[Seacore]

Okay, I'm happier with dramonic from his latest explanation, I'm cool with either a benmage or dramonic vig

[Seacore]

Nothing

[Seacore]

I'd also consider myself confirmed, although highly targetable.

[Seacore]

That was a fantastic game,

And also, I rock with power roles. I've got to improve my scum hunting game as vanilla, but give me an ability and I'll get the most from it

[Seacore]

What would be the effect of not giving out roles before powers were chosen?

[Seacore]

except that they wouldn't


so you know, what effect apart from that effect that won't happen