Pick Your Power - Game. Set. Match.

[Cruciare]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 12

BloodCovenent

- 4 - FishytheFish, Pomegranate, Seacore, Cobalt - (L-8)

budja

- 1 - Xylthixlm - (L-11)

Cobalt

- 2 - elvis_knits, drippinggoofball - (L-10)

devotress

- 1 - SerialClergyman - (L-11)

Dramonic

- 2 - devotress, budja - (L-10)

elvis_knits

- 5 - Faraday, Dramonic, Vi, chamber, Cruciare - (L-7)

Seacore

- 3 - TonyMontana, Farside22, StrangerCoug - (L-9)

Players not voting: Benmage, BloodCovenent, Plum, Vaya

This entire wagon smells of scum wagoning somebody who was high in the draft pick.

QFT

LOL. I still think you two could be scumbuddies. You knew your scumbuddy Elvis got the cop role, so you purposely stayed off the wagon, waited for her to claim so that you could wave around the big SCUM ON THIS WAGON neon sign. Plausible, isn't it? After all, I don't know why all these mass-unvoters think cop equals town.

That said, reading and processing Blood's replies now. Please hold.

[BloodCovenent]

And no, I didn't realize that vote-hoping was actually a scum tell, from what I viewed it as, was nothing more than trying to start discussion, of course I had somewhat expected to be pressured before there was a wagon + claim of someone else.

Why does that matter?

what, it counting as a scum tell? or that I expected to be the first one badgered for my vote-hoping?

[Vi]

As for e_knits' claim... It should take care of itself.

So what are you saying? we should just lynch him? Or keep him around? I didn't notice an unvote.

Editing the quote down to what you're talking about is tech.

e_knits' claim gets a scummy player killed instead of lynched.
While e_knits was wagoned for some decent reasons (hint: not just "gut") and there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.
I'm not (yet) sure where to go from here, and the vote isn't hurting anyone, so.

[BloodCovenent]

e_knits' claim gets a scummy player killed instead of lynched.
While e_knits was wagoned for some decent reasons (hint: not just "gut") and there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.
I'm not (yet) sure where to go from here, and the vote isn't hurting anyone, so.

Well... from my point of view, it looks like you want him dead. What difference does it make whether he is lynched or killed?
-If he's scum cop, the other scum team will kill him.

[BloodCovenent]

where did everyone go..... there was a rush of unvotes, and votes on me, now everyone is gone....


Confrontation....

[BloodCovenent]

AFK - Playing madden.

[DrippingGoofball]

...there's nothing that says the Cop must be Town, the outburst seemed Townish enough for me to not call fake.

That is true.

However.

There are strategic reasons for the scum to pressure the players at the top of the order, first.

Furthermore if I was buddies with elvis, I sure wouldn't bus her, because that would bring our wild pyjama party in the QT to a sad and premature close. Some of you may interpret this as WIFOM, and that I might have been in fact bus'ing elvis, so be it.

The reality is that elvis would not be a top choice of her buddies to bus. ESPECIALLY if scum, at the top of the order. She'd be way too useful. Yeah, WIFOM. But I doubt it in this instance.

However a townie at the top of the order is an excellent wagon to pursue and get a free claim from.

Thus I think this wagon had lots of scum on it. They had to figure that a player at the top of the order would have a claim they could extract, escape a lynch, without getting their hands dirty in an actual lynch.

[TonyMontana]

Wtf happened. I didn't even see a reason for the elvis wagon getting started, much less for 10 people to pile on.

Good god, this game is running away from me. Going to sleep now, try not to post too much before i wake up, eh?

[DrippingGoofball]

Good god, this game is running away from me. Going to sleep now, try not to post too much before i wake up, eh?

Your conscience won't sleep a wink unless you vote one of the scumbags on elvis' wagon.

[Fishythefish]

@mod:

do the scum currently know each other's power roles/draft picks? Since the mechanics of this game are open, it feels like we should be able to know that.

Horrific. A terrible wagon on the second highest drafted player. Urgh. I am very suspicious of the 4 or so players on the end of it. That wagon was clearly headed towards a claim, and making the top-of-draft players claim is a Bad Thing.

As well as his horrible position on the wagon, Cobalt becomes scummy for not picking the most protown role (@Cobalt: I

don't

want to know why you didn't pick cop).

HoS: Cobalt

If the answer to the question at the top of the post is "no", I think that tips things in the favour of massclaim, from the bottom of the list. The only safe claim for any scum who picked framer is cop, and I'd be surprised if anyone low on the list really did pick cop. We may well get a confirmed fakeclaim or two, and we'll have solid suspicions on anyone low on the list who picked cop, and anyone at all who picked a few other roles which are clearly more useful to scum than town. Other assorted information will come out as well. We likely have enough powerroles that even with everyone outed, scum targeting won't be obvious.

[Cobalt]

oh look at me, I'm so protown by criticizing a wagon I lurked through

unvote vote fishy

[elvis_knits]

Obviously Cobalt has a role.
It's probably safe to assume that Elvis, Vi and Chamber got one as well, although obviously less than certain.
I'm not going to pick any of them for my RVS because maybe they can be uber helpful town.

Oh what ever happened to this line of thinking which Mr. Seacore defended?

Notice how he put me L-1/L-2 (simulpost madness)

He was clearly mindful of me being high in the draft, clearly against wagoning these early draft pickers in his first post, but he took the chance to make me claim.

SCUM.

vote seacore

[Cobalt]

oh come ON, NOW we support a seacore wagon?

[BloodCovenent]

oh come ON, NOW we support a seacore wagon?

lol.

[elvis_knits]

oh come ON, NOW we support a seacore wagon?

Dude, it's retro.

And he's scum.

[Cobalt]

I can't say no to that avatar.

unvote vote seacore

[BloodCovenent]

I can't say no to that avatar.

unvote vote seacore

lol.

[Fishythefish]

@Cobalt: I "lurked" through that wagon, as you put it, because I see no reason comment on awful cases. Why on earth shouldn't I criticise the wagon? It's early days. As I've previously stated, I think that we should be hesitant about lynching high-draft players (I suppose for this reason, there may be a slight element of "I told you so" about my phrasing).

Noone

commented negatively on this - and yet we have a wagon on the second highest drafted player based on virtually nothing. I'm saying that I find that wagon scummy - how is this an attempt to make myself look more protown?

I agree with elvis about Seacore.

unvote, vote: Seacore

[Cobalt]

I let e_k get run up even though I thought it was a bad idea, but I feel entirely comfortable with criticizing the wagon retroactively

[Pomegranate]

Wow, you put a lot of effort into that. I'll answer why I was vote hoping around in a minute, but first is spreading pressure around really a scumtell?

Same question goes to all

Well, how would someoned feel pressured, if he/she knows you'll switch your vote once a better wagon forms anyway?

Yea, in hindsight, that's a great answer. But in reality, they wouldn't know if i was going to take it off or not. So this type of response is null in void.

He/she wouldn't

know

, but could feel confident that it's likely you would.

Also: Don't you think vote-hopping is a scumtell for a reason? Because it's scummy; it is in the mafia's best interest to get a lynch on town ASAP.

Yes, that would be true, But if I recall correctly, the most important wagon that I jumped on was EK's that's it.

And no, I didn't realize that vote-hoping was actually a scum tell, from what I viewed it as, was nothing more than trying to start discussion, of course I had somewhat expected to be pressured before there was a wagon + claim of someone else.

That makes some sense, but if you didn't know before (which I find a bit hard to believe), than bear in mind in the future that it's usually viewed as scummy.

[Seacore]

Dude, fake quoting can get out of hand, do it some different way.

Anyway, I forgot about elvis being high in the draft (actually, I forgot about the draft all together) when I placed the vote.

But it does make me look hypocritical and I'm cool with wearing the blame and votes for it.

[Pomegranate]

Don't you think vote-hopping is a scumtell for a reason?

Define "vote-hopping".

I'd say it is switching one's vote very often or excessively, especially to current wagons.

[Cobalt]

Anyway, I forgot about elvis being high in the draft (actually, I forgot about the draft all together) when I placed the vote.

I find this... hard to believe.

[Fishythefish]

@ Cobalt: Oh please. At the time of my last post before elvis's claim (all of 15 hours ago), elvis was at L-5. Hardly looked like she needed defense - it's not typical for an early wagon based on very little to go to L-1 like that one did. The bit of the wagon I find most scummy (ie when it turned from pressure to a genuine lynch threat) is the bit that came after I last looked at this game.

[Seacore]

Thats fine, I wouldn't believe me either and I'm kicking myself for contradicting myself. Can't do much about it now though.