SerialClergyman said in this first post wrote:imprint elvis_knits
imprint SerialClergyman
elvis_knits wrote:Imprint: SerialClergyman
Imprint: elvis_knits
SerialClergyman said in this first post wrote:imprint elvis_knits
imprint SerialClergyman
elvis_knits wrote:Imprint: SerialClergyman
Imprint: elvis_knits
Personally, I think they would figure it out. I think scum would know. Especially since they have a QT where they can daytalk. But, I can allow for the possibility that I am wrong, which is why I answered DN the way I did. Asking questions rather than just beating him into the ground. I don't want to give SC an imprint either if he's scum. For that matter, I don't care if you don't want to give me one. But I think this is possibly a REAL way to give the town an advatage here. I think that scum probably knew they had a NK. So giving me and SC imprints is the least risk to the town. I also don't care if I have to be lynched before endgame if my suggestion is SO controversial. I am banking on people seeing the truth in my hypothesis.VMD wrote:I don't think it is a safe assumption at all that scum figured out they didn't have a night kill
Fair enough, I suppose.elvis_knits wrote:Also, my 126 is probably due to my frustration with TheButtonmen.
Please note I directed the question at him not you, you already laid out your reasons for the imprinting. Though I disagree with them I can at least understand it.elvis_knits wrote: At the time I voted to imprint us, I really didn't care that it looked odd since I thought my conclusion that we were both town was pretty obvious. But I do understand why it might make people a little paranoid.
I disagree with it because several people made that mistake of assuming scum started with NK but of them you only cleared yourself and Serial, who had in the past voted to also inprint you and himself.elvis_knits wrote: Why do you disagree with my reasons for imprinting SC and me? Do you think we could be faking or do you think scum are dumb enough not to understand their own kill mechanic?
But ANYONE can say that after it's been clarified. We need proof that they thought that before it was clarified, and the only people who made posts like that are me and SC. I asked if scum could use their imprint while they made their NK, and SC talked about getting to lylo through NKs.TheButtonmen wrote:DeathNote wrote:Up until I learned that scum can not night kill, I was still for my plan.Limerickx wrote:I was down for the 'imprint everyone' idea until I heard the fact that Rogues don't have a night kill ability, unless imprinted with it.
I don't think SC is faking at all, and if I had as much faith in your hypothesis as you do I would certainly vote to imprint him. You I'm a little less sure about, partially because you're the one that came up with the hypothesis and partially because I think you're intelligent and experienced enough (2005 join date?!) to pull something like fake naivety off and then use it to your advantage later.elvis_knits wrote:Well, I do agree that it could have been faked. Those things do sometimes happen, although very very rarely, in my experience. Part of your decision should be depend on the context. Do you think either me or SC were faking and why?
When I read his statement about lylo, it seems obvious that he's assuming scum get NK's. So if he said that to mislead us, it was very crafty. It's not the type of thing that's easy to fake, IMO.
If I am somehow wrong in my hypothesis, I think it would be because scum were somehow very SLOW and hadn't yet realized they don't have a NK this game. I think the chances of faking are pretty slim.
One of the reasons I think it would have come up in the QT is that when I am scum I routinely talk about the other players in the game and who I am scared of and who we should think about NKing at some point. I talk about that type of stuff right off the bat, and I assume other people do also. I also would be PMing the mod questions, especially in a theme game with wierd mechanics. I just think the NK would have come up.
There's a chance it somehow didn't, but I consider the chance sort of slim.
I think I underestimated though how weird it probably looks for me and SC to be voting to imprint each other though. At the time I voted to imprint us, I really didn't care that it looked odd since I thought my conclusion that we were both town was pretty obvious. But I do understand why it might make people a little paranoid.
I did, though I'm fairly certain I never said anything to that effect (by the time I saw the game thread was up it had already been publicly figured out that scum didn't have kills) and wouldn't expect you to believe that it implicated me either way even if I had. I don't, after all, agree with your theory.elvis_knits wrote:Who else made that mistake?
Scum having NKs is the norm and the role PM doesn't state explicitly that they do not have a NK.elvis_knits wrote:Do you think scum often get mixed up about their killing powers?
If a infinite number of town uses of imprinting with no scum kills wouldn't win we can tell somethings about imprinting. Possibilities include;iamausername wrote:The best part of all this is that your plan wouldn't even work, because I did actually consider potential game-breaking strategies when designing the set up, because I'mnot an idiot. But I didn't want to say so, because I thought it might reveal setup info that I didn't want to reveal
When we started I knew a lot lss about imprinting other than it would be useful in the hands of good protown players. I have limited experience with the people here, I know I've played with Plum but only briefly. But I've played one long and great game with EK and know her to be an excellent player and also feel I have an edge in reading her.@SerialClergyman Why did you inprint elvis_knits in your very first post? Especially since you have then said that you feel it's best to lynch without imprinting.
Sorta? Also if you given up on that plan, what are your thoughts now?DeathNote wrote: Since then, I sorta gave up on my idea as it would mean giving scum their night kills which I thought they all ready had.