Kingdom Hearts Mafia - Game Over!

[Papa Zito]

OMG hurray Plum!

vote: Saberwolf

for the lulz

[Papa Zito]

OMG PZ has his Dream avatar back (yes? I am sadly only half acquainted with the graphic novels, so . . .).

I did. It's my standard.

But now I'm sporting the oft-unappreciated Anti Form Sora.

[Papa Zito]

^^^ wut?

[Papa Zito]

Wait.. should I do flavour analysis here? Because that seriously is a giant mod hint if what Slicey said is true.

Arrite, let's hear it.

[Papa Zito]

Due to the events of KH CoM: Sora the main character lost his memories and had it re pieced back together by Namine, Diz and Riku.

Right, I remember all this.

But apply it. What does this mean in context of Plum and Gorrad?

[Papa Zito]

Good catch Ray. Let's see where this rabbit hole goes.

unvote: Saberwolf
vote: Cobalt

[Papa Zito]

I fight for truth, justice and the American way.

Also pizza.

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How do you scumhunt a disembodied voice? Because just blindly assuming this is coming from town makes me twitch.

[Papa Zito]

I'm not liking our ghost friend.

Perhaps I know more than what I choose to say? Perhaps I have no choice. Perhaps I say as much as I am allowed to say? I do not flirt with the lines of darkness. Perhaps I only exist to amuse those who do not care whether the light is extinguished or not? In any case, I shall do my part for the light. I shall need help to stay among the light.

Plum would be a poor choice to plunge into darkness. She is actively fighting for the light.

And I apologize in advance for all the vague information I will be sharing.

It must be done.

The light is dim indeed within Discode.

Here it insinuates that it has inside information on players, but is PR bound not to reveal it directly. Note it says it is sharing "information" not "opinions".

B- Thats my way of saying my thoughts on someone's alignment. I am possibly heavily restricted in what I can say and how I must act. (as I tried to say earlier, hopefully this line is allowed to clarify)

But after heavy scrutiny we have a backtrack from information to opinions.

What are your thoughts on discode?

Flavor wise: I thought the blackness/chill wind stuff signified someone embracing the darkness. It makes much more sense to me from a mafia standpoint for a player to go from traitor to scum then from ??? to miller.

Game wise: His immediate defense of a player who hadn't even posted in the game yet (Saberwolf) is baffling. Why would he care about one wagon over another in RVS unless it's on a buddy? I don't like that he's attempting to withhold information from the town. The rolefishing claims are real stretches though.

unvote

I need to reread this game.

[Papa Zito]

hayker and sajin are scum team number 1

vaya and ace are scum team number 2

Malthius is the SK

anything else you wanna know?

Oh well done. Which one should we lynch first?

[Papa Zito]

hayker and sajin are scum team number 1

vaya and ace are scum team number 2

Malthius is the SK

anything else you wanna know?

Oh well done. Which one should we lynch first?

[Papa Zito]

These things are, unfortunately, always necessary in large games. It's too easy to lurk with this many people.

1. Gorrad - 30 posts
2. Kise - 6 posts
3. wolframnhart - 5 posts
4. Shotty to the Body - 10 posts
5. Hayker - 11 posts
6. Kdub - 4 posts
7. DTMaster - 7 posts
8. Deathnote - 11 posts
9. fuzzylightning - 2 posts
10. RayFrost - 45 posts (lol)
11. MafiaSSK - 8 posts
12. Grandi - 0 posts
13. Plum - 7 posts
14. Sajin - 0 posts
15. DragonsofSummer - 3 posts
16. DisCode - 23 posts
17. Papa Zito - 10 posts
18. Cobalt - 17 posts
19. zwetschenwasser - 3 posts
20. saberwolf - 14 posts
21. malthusis - 3 posts
22. foilist13 - 3 posts
23. Vaya - 11 posts
24. xRECKONERx - 13 posts
25. joe478 - 11 posts
26. ace5993 - 4 posts
27. Sir Chris - 7 posts

@Mod: Please prod Sajin and Grandi

vote: foilist13

[Papa Zito]

Deathnote and zwet are also good picks.

A target-rich environment, this is.

[Papa Zito]

PapaZito - Since you said you would be satisfied for a DeathNote or zwet lynch, could you give a reason for voting foilist over those two?

Sure. Here are his posts.

Well this took off fast, and I demand the right to my random vote.

vote: MafiaSSK

for being the last person to post.

Now anyways, I have only played Kingdom Hearts once at a friend's house. Can someone throw out a super basic synopsis of the story line/Characters?

Thank you Hayker, that should prove helpful in determining how the game is balanced. I think it's hardly a stretch that the main characters would be some kind of town power roles, and the scum would, shocker, be the villains. Perhaps the main villain would be the God Father.

What characters are maintained throughout the game? Like who exists not as a temporary ally or villain specific to a single world?

Random vote/flavor, flavor, flavor.

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So... sajin is the voice?

STOP BEING SO SCUMMY

lol

[Papa Zito]

ITT Vaya jumps on an easy bandwagon based off another individual's reasoning.

How is a wagon with two votes on it, in a 27-player game, "easy"?

That said, Foilist needs moar votes.

[Papa Zito]

ITT Vaya jumps on an easy bandwagon based off another individual's reasoning.

How is a wagon with two votes on it, in a 27-player game, "easy"?

That said, Foilist needs moar votes.

Okay easy potential bandwagon

still counts as jumping on something easy based off another individua's reasoning that he claims to have thought before when he has provided virtually no real insight that aids the town.

Yeah but.

I mean lolwut?

Have you never seen a player post something insightful, and say "wow gee that makes a lot of sense CHOO CHOO"?

BTW

The people others might consider semi-policy lynching don't give me any sort of scumread so that's out.

Plum dear, if we don't policy lynch they'll never learn.

[Papa Zito]

Sup Kise.

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Wow, that's fantastic OMGUS rite thar. Add Sir Chris to the Wouldn't Mind a Lynch No Sir list.

I have, but it doesn't make it any less scummy when the individual saying it hasn't posted anything insightful or helpful.

Even if the wagon's on scum?

Please tell me you're not trying to derail my wagon. Because that's what it feels like. We've had a bunch of bad actors in this game but you choose to jump Vaya for agreeing with someone.

This is a TERRIBLE policy in and of itself.

Imagine a beautiful world of sunshine and rainbows, where children play without fear, taxes are low and Empking is autolynched Day 1 every game. You don't think people would get the picture eventually?

Not that this discussion is helping the game any.

[Papa Zito]

@Mod: Votecount plz

This game is pure chaos right now.

[Papa Zito]

Oh, I just skimmed the topic.

Why did everyone act as if he had claimed for like, two pages then.

Geesh let me re-read.

Sigh.

[Papa Zito]

Also come on Papa Zito, you know you love me. No need to sigh at the failure.

Do I? I don't know who you are.

Also can I get a Gorrad case please? Someone needs to explain to my peabrain what the Riku thing means. I've finished all three games but that was a couple years ago at least.

[Papa Zito]

Issue with foil case:

it could be applied to other people in this game.

Not exactly. Check his response to what I posted and tell me what you think.

foilist13 has requested replacement.

.......

Wait, are you saying I had a bad case?

What was wrong with it? While I don't like being voted, it wasn't the driving reason behind my logic.

It was pretty obvious that you went back to look at him after your vote. Your reaction was classic OMGUS.

this thread has far below the recommended dose of malthusis.

We have several blatant lurkers that need to contribute or die.

[Papa Zito]

No bleedin' policy lynches. ><

I've lynched way too many lurker scum good sir.

Zwet's a good choice Shotty. His silence is deafening.

[Papa Zito]

Am I trying to pass off my opinions for fact? No. If you thought this then why not ask? (also the part you bolded was addressed to Plum, I cannot quote things so it makes things difficult). Would you have me not post opinions about people? Would you have me not share any information I can? I am sorry if I was confusing. I am not normally so confusing but its needed at the moment from my perspective.

Nice twisting there. Yeah I'm going to ask a ton of questions to a severely PR'd player.

If you are posting "x is in the light" or "the light is dim in y" how am I supposed to know if these statements come from role-based fact or are simply thread-based interpretation? (I'm ignoring the possibility that you're lying ofc) It seems a trivial matter to delineate which statements are which. Since you didn't bother to do so it does seem like you did this deliberately.

Why has no one said they would help me? I keep saying that I need to be helped and everyone ignores that. I need to be helped..... [/i]

Help you how? Help you do what?

[Papa Zito]

Apparently it has to be the exact words.

I'll help you!

YOU FOOL YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL.

Veni, veni, venias
Ne me mori facias
Veni, veni, venias
Ne me mori facias...

[Papa Zito]

Another alt?

I guess we wait to see what kind of madness you kids have unleashed then.

[Papa Zito]

Help you I will.

Yoda? Is that you?

Stalled we have. A wagon we need, yeees, hmmhmmhmm!

unvote: foilist
vote: zwet

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito's last vote and unvote did not count because it was not bolded.

I R Fail.

unvote: Foilist
vote: zwet

[Papa Zito]

I wasn't trying to get you to discuss an ongoing game, I WARNED you that the game was ongoing!

This is a lie.

zwet today, Cobalt tomorrow. Two down, town is on its way.

[Papa Zito]

Plum's talking like she knows what zwet will flip.

Plum, I don't know nor care what zwet's meta is. All I know is that he isn't contributing anything whatsoever to the game, and I've lynched too many scum who play the lurker game to stop now. You can say "Yeah but so-and-so isn't doing anything either" if you want but that doesn't excuse zwet (or those people for that matter) at all. I'll happily join a viable wagon on any other lurker scum, especially on Day 1 of a large game where it's just too easy to lurk. If zwet's wagon suddenly magically melted away and was replaced by *insert scummy lurking player slot here* then I'd join that one too. This isn't about zwet, this is about removing scummy players and improving our chances down the road.

That said, I'm also up for lynching one of Sir Chris/Rayfrost just to make them shut up.

[Papa Zito]

@Kdub: Do you think the fact that Empire at War was a mini and this is a large has anything to do with his playstyle?

I'm not certain. I imagine it has some effect, but having never played with him in a game this size, I don't know how his play might be different. I still contend that he was far more proactive, even on D1, in EoW than he has been here. Right now, the zwet wagon seems like an easy diversion from people who have actually done suspicious things in this game.

Give me names.

[Papa Zito]

Oh BTW, wouldn't mind a Sajin lynch. I mean, look at this.

Thank you for being willing to help me, all.

No. You whine and cry for people to help you, the whole freaking town rallies with all kind of bolded nonsense, and.... that's it? "Thanks?" What kind of BS is this. First it's the "I have info no wait opinions no wait INFO AND OPINIONS BUT I CAN'T SHARE NYAH" and now it's this. You're a big huge scummy distraction.

If you can't tell I'm irritated that our first viable wagon in 30+ pages is being torn down for no raisin. If this town refuses to get its act together we're doomed.

[Papa Zito]

Get our act together? Seriously? Oh no, day one and we cant work together, we are all screwed! Might as well give up now and give the game to scum.

Why are you in a rush for someone to get lynched. Bandwagons are great for getting information but there is nothing to gain with this bandwagon. Zwet isnt going to claim or post anything important for that matter. He is one of many in this game similar to that.

And you know what zwet is going to do how?

Especially if you don't even attempt to draw out said reaction by encouraging a wagon on him?

Sigh.

[Papa Zito]

And where did you get that number?

Mod, Please see my signature which has been active for three days

My apologies. ~Slicey~

Quick, while you're here, post something. Anything. gogogo

[Papa Zito]

Hahaha, a zwet Day 1 wagon, what a surprise!!!

zwetschenwasser (10): wolframnhart, Cobalt, DragonsofSummer, ace5993, xRECKONERx, Papa Zito, Kise, saberwolf, Gorrad, MafiaSSK

Alright. zwet is scum and he is being thrown under the entire Greyhound continental fleet. One hundred percent of the scum is on that wagon. 100%. As in, all of the scum.

Now I will read the game.

But in the meantime, since there is nothing I love more than assisting scumbags bus their own:

vote: zwet

<3 DGB.

[Papa Zito]

Here... no opinion. Will read. Might not understand. Probably won't give thoughts on what I am suppose to read. Hi DGB. Zwet got lynched before me. Ha.

Let's lynch this guy too soonish.

[Papa Zito]

Let's lynch this guy too soonish.

Hmm... Papa seems like a good lynch choice to me.

lulz

[Papa Zito]

I like that saberwolf is so scum he's on there twice.

DGB, why the hell is the modvoice town? The very best I'd give him is 3rd party.

[Papa Zito]

totally outguessing the mod here

Bah. Okay then.

Help me with your DeathNote read.

Also Plum.

[Papa Zito]

Hey all, sorry for the lack of posting on my part, I put this game on back burner (which is sad since I am only playing one other) and i need to catch up and re-read some of the pages. Is there anything anyone wants me to talk about/give opinion about inparticular?

You're #2 on DGB's scumlist.

This means you're probably going to die.

So sorry.

[Papa Zito]

Her.

HER

<--- This is me hiding in a corner.

[Papa Zito]

xReckoner is my top pick for scum for the quote DGB beat me to.

Quick zwet, who else? You're online dammit post man.

[Papa Zito]

Woo. Dayvig FTW.

Kairi. Plum should've been Kairi.

SirPent = Mufasa?

@Gorrad and Papa Zito - Nice avatars. Specially uploaded for the game I take it... seems like you boys plan to stay around for a long time.(?)

Special for this game yes. It's a thing I started doing lately.

Vote: Iecerint

Wat. Silly rabbit, you direct dayvigs, not lynch them.

vote: Hayker

[Papa Zito]

I forgot to ask you Zito about that vote... why?

Read Hayker in iso and tell me what you think.

[Papa Zito]

uh no where did this come from?

you have a similar posting style to him, you joined 2 days after he was banned, and more revealingly, you did not ask me who he was, but simply denied it.

I've PMed the mod to look into it. Let's move on.

SirPent, you've been the very definition of active lurking this game. I haven't seen you post suspicions once. You couldn't contain your glee about hammering zwet, even though you didn't ever indicate why you thought he was scum. You may actually worse, somehow. Congrats.

I want your top 3 picks for scum and a sentence or two saying why for each. TIA.

[Papa Zito]

Question, what is with the hayker wagon forming? The heck am i missing here?

Interesting.

Read him in iso and tell me what you think.

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why have you not taken up the DGB case against me? I was under the impression that you were having similar feelings about me earlier (you said you felt I was talking like I knew what Zwets would flip; now that he has flipped Town, why do you not feel the same as DGB). Seriously, all you did was comment that I should've been Kairi, and cute and twee as I agree that would have been, why have you not struck at all?

DGB is perfectly fine handling her own cases. I'm not sure why you're arguing against broadening the town's scope.

[Papa Zito]

1 I beleive that gorrad is protown player and I have a very good insight on which character he is. I don't want to ask him at this time.
2. I beleive that Iceprint had a very poor play in going and day vig zwet if it was a one shot, when he should've clearly saved it for a later day. Zwet was going to be lynched quite evidently.

fos on iceprint

3. Colbalt strikes me as a neutral person, but his gameplay thus far has been lacklusterd and I believe that he would benefit greatly from a little more input.
4. Totally not liking the voice, I could see the voice being a neutral switcher, could very well be one of those roles that could be made to just slow our process as well.
4. I reallly do not like the lurking from the players that haven't posted in a week. Lets go.
5. I believe the scum exists between vaya and iceprint.

I'm scratching my head a bit (maybe it's the two 4's) but this is a good start.

1. Well no we don't need claims.
2. I would have done exactly the same in his stead. That was optimal dayvig play. I can explain it if you want me to.
3. I'd like to see you do this then. Cobalt is the windmill to your Don Quixote. A burger to your fat guy. Go get some.
4. Agree.
4. Agree, obv.
5. Wait, where did Vaya come from? What's the Vaya issue?
6. Iceprint + Vaya + ???? = 3 scums. Who is ????

I'm not. I'm wondering why you aren't voicing any sort of agreement with a case you seem to have felt was possible/relevant even before Zwets flipped now that he has.

Again, because she doesn't need my help and I feel like too many people are slipping between the cracks here. I think I'm far more productive looking elsewhere and letting DGB do her thing. Besides, my non-interference gives me better perspective on her alignment.

This may be the most bizarre angle of attack I've ever seen.

[Papa Zito]

Third is plum.. his actions in the last 10 posts.. wait all of his posts I just can't see as being in the town's best interests. His consistency to bring up notells is just fluff to make look like work

Her. Plum is female and adorable.

What do you think of her early Vaya (#5) vote? Or her fuzzylightning (#4) vote?

[Papa Zito]

So has scumhunting finally began? Or are we still stuck on discussing flavor?

This is, like, 5th degree black belt of bullshit. Please tell me we have another vig.

[Papa Zito]

Hayker PbPA

(Numbers are isos)

Post 0: Random vote
Post 1: Fencesitting on voice and change (never any followthrough)
Post 2: Mod question - votecount
Post 3: Discode vote for "rolefishing"
Post 4: Votecount response
Post 5: Quotes Discode, no followthrough
Post 6: Mod scene/voice speculation/flavor speculation
Post 7: KH I synopsis (flavor)
Post 8: Chain of Memories synopsis (flavor)
Post 9: KH II synopis (flavor)
Post 10: KH II synopsis (flavor)
Post 11: Why am I scum?
Post 12: Received prod

So to review we have lots of speculation and flavor with zero scumhunting whatsoever. This is pseudo-helpful, IIoA scum folks.

[Papa Zito]

Also page 45 is an IQ black hole.

[Papa Zito]

...

There's not 17 scum in this game, DGB.

[Papa Zito]

I approve of Shotty's avatar.

There are lots of useless players this game, though. Namely, you could probably do the same with fuzzylightning, joe, and foil/SerPent, though the latter does include some by-looks-of-it-deliberately-awful "analysis."

How does the presence of other "useless players" excuse this one?

And you admit he's useless and then just dismiss the case with a wave of your hand.

Stay classy San Diego.

[Papa Zito]

It doesn't excuse Hayker, but it doesn't explain why you would single-out Hayker over the other players, either. Using your barometer alone allows scum to choose whichever of the lurkers isn't scum with minimal blamelessness. My intent was to see if you could communicate why you thought Hayker was a better lynch than (for example) the other players I mentioned.

Hayker's posts this page aren't great, though. The first one almost has to be a joke or error, but he hasn't acknowledged as much. I'll reserve judgment on the others unless it becomes clear he's not going anywhere with his questions.

So in your world, I'm supposed to either attack all of them and completely diffuse my attention, or I'm supposed to ignore them completely.

Ok then.

I'll be back this evening.

[Papa Zito]

What the hell happened in here.

Also: MordyS is in this game?

That is a blatant misrepresentation of my post. Ordinarily, when people find a player highly suspicious, they describe why they think so. If they can't, that is problematic. Hell, you could just say "I get a more negative feeling from Hayker than the others" if that's really all it is.

No, it's not. I said hayker is suspicious and posted why. You're attacking me for doing so, but

not on the merits of what I posted

but rather

the fact that I posted it at all

. Your vig kill is wearing awfully thin on me.

Hayker you're spamming the thread and still not posting anything. Scumlist plz. Same qualities as SirPent.

I'm suspicious of players that defend, with disproportionate passion, worthless players/lurkers/zwet. That's something that scum will do to earn town cred. Not always; but I've seen it a lot. That's what raider was doing. If this tilted raider further in the scum column, it balanced SirPent into the town column.

See: Iecerint.

[Papa Zito]

Aggression is awesome, Sir Chris. Proceed.

hey pee-zits, vote DoS

WTF for?

[Papa Zito]

Reck is all dude and hangs around hot chicks all day.

What's a WFH?

[Papa Zito]

Because he is very scummy when he posts disappears like the wind, defends himself, and despite what other said, his tone is completely different in defending himself and attacking others than in a very recent town game of his.

The devil is in the details, Sir Chris. I'm not swayed by rhetoric, provide proof.

Also boo meta.

[Papa Zito]

Because he is very scummy when he posts disappears like the wind, defends himself, and despite what other said, his tone is completely different in defending himself and attacking others than in a very recent town game of his.

The devil is in the details, Sir Chris. I'm not swayed by rhetoric, provide proof.

Also boo meta.

Um, I have posted about thirty posts about DoS, including a couple with quotes on the last page. How about you go find them instead of asking me to repost information I have posted a lot.

I'm asking for a cohesive case. I don't want to have to filter a bunch of crap.

[Papa Zito]

Inability to post a cohesive case is a big thumbs down from me. That tells me you were more likely attempting to do point-scoring than scumhunting.

[Papa Zito]

and inability to read a topic is a big thumbs down from me. That tells me you were wanting a case handed to you instead of forming your own opinions based off posts that happened in real time.

You're right, I want a case handed to me. You've declared your target scum. I want to see something cohesive from you that spells out why. I want you to analyze the 30 posts and tell me why the things he said would only make sense from a scum perspective. I want to see if you're actually putting thought power into this or if you're simply attempting to push a lynch.

In other words, this is as much about you and it is about him, and you're failing so hard it's not even funny.

[Papa Zito]

Too soon Cobalt, I'm still grieving.

It reflects back onto you to, that isn't how it works. I have posted a metric ton about him, more over, I have condensed my thoughts before. This isn't about me, this is about you now, I am afraid. I have posted my case against him in one posts quite a few times, go find it. You said aggressive was good, well this is aggressive me. It is telling to me that you can say the things you do because you haven't read the topic. i am not failing, you are the one that is failing.

Aggressive is great but this is just stupid. If you posted a case before then just link it. Jesus.

[Papa Zito]

ATTN: SIR CHRIS PLZ OBSERVE THIS POST.

All you want from me is a list of my opinions of every player(or that's what I'm assuming it means)
I refuse to post a full list,and I lack the time to do a partial list.

Not asking for a full list. Here's my request to SirPent:

I want your top 3 picks for scum and a sentence or two saying why for each. TIA.

SIR CHRIS TY FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS POST.

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WTF vanilla claim

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Starbuck welcome to the game.

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+1 new Reck avatar

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Okay caught up.

[Papa Zito]

SirPent is Mufasa. I TOTALLY CALLED IT.

Dude, I called it first.

Also, anyone wanna make me a sick Riku avatar? XD

+1

WHY DID MY AVATAR SWITCH BACK

Fix!

All votes off!

wut People are voting your playerslot.

[Papa Zito]

wut People are voting your playerslot.

I'm not sure I understand, explain.

Why are you asking for all two of your voters to take their votes off?

Unless I misunderstood what "all votes off!" meant.

[Papa Zito]

My top 5 scums:
Sir Chris
Raider
Cobalt
Hayker
Joe478

Yay.

But why?

[Papa Zito]

lawl DGB.

This thread needs moar Hayker.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah I don't like kdub's finger-wagging here. There was nothing about zwet to suggest he was town, meta or not.

kdub, how excited would you have been to see zwet standing shoulder-to-shoulder with you in lylo?

And Reck's right, he got killed N0 (then modkilled day 2? lol) in that game so pushing that point is really scummy.

[Papa Zito]

Yep. That's the profile of scum in a town-zwet wagon. They're off the wagon, then they try to lynch the townies that were on it.

This being said, Kdub is totally 100% guaranteed to be town, by me.

?

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito:
There may not have been anything to suggest zwet was town in this game (nor am I claiming there was), but given his general playstyle, I don't think there was anything to suggest he was more likely than random to be scum either. I think the best way for towns to deal with zwet is to either vig him or investigate him at some point.

Well he got vigged, so Merry Christmas.

And I disagree that there wasn't anything to suggest he was more likely than random to be scum. We had a completely unresponsive player slot who did absolutely nothing during its time here. I can't speak for the rest of the wagon but I interpreted that as a player who wanted to use the general confusion surrounding large theme games to lurk.

Read my first quote of Reckoner in post 1408 and tell me how you interpret that.

The first bolded point is absolutely true, and I agree with Reck's "and regardless of meta, that can't be tolerated."

The second bolded point is a playstyle opinion really so I don't have a lot to say about it.

The only thing I have issue with in that quote is "I used meta as an excuse". This is a weird thing to say... you shouldn't need an excuse to lynch someone.

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DGB, an updated scumlist when you have a chance would be great.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito:
There may not have been anything to suggest zwet was town in this game (nor am I claiming there was), but given his general playstyle, I don't think there was anything to suggest he was more likely than random to be scum either. I think the best way for towns to deal with zwet is to either vig him or investigate him at some point.

Well he got vigged, so Merry Christmas.

And I disagree that there wasn't anything to suggest he was more likely than random to be scum. We had a completely unresponsive player slot who did absolutely nothing during its time here. I can't speak for the rest of the wagon but I interpreted that as a player who wanted to use the general confusion surrounding large theme games to lurk.

Read my first quote of Reckoner in post 1408 and tell me how you interpret that.

The first bolded point is absolutely true, and I agree with Reck's "and regardless of meta, that can't be tolerated."

The second bolded point is a playstyle opinion really so I don't have a lot to say about it.

The only thing I have issue with in that quote is "I used meta as an excuse". This is a weird thing to say... you shouldn't need an excuse to lynch someone.

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DGB, an updated scumlist when you have a chance would be great.

[Papa Zito]

DGB, an updated scumlist when you have a chance would be great.

It would break my heart if you were asking to help your team decide whether they should NK me or not. Please say it ain't so.

Nah, I'm just taking your temperature. Even if I were scum here I'm too fond of you to just NK you right off the bat. (watch the scum NK you now, bastards)

I am Beast from Beauty and the Beast. I am a vanilla townie.

Any counters?

[Papa Zito]

Ew, vanilla claim. kill da scumbag plz

Just like zwet amirite?

@Dragons: Actually I'm kinda confused, why are you claiming anyway?

[Papa Zito]

He's at L-3. Do your homework, people.

[Papa Zito]

17. Papa Zito - Brash with a heaping side of 'just as planned' behind every post, I don't like him.

*steeples fingers*

Eeeexcellent.

This list is kinda useless without reasoning behind it.

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Not understanding Reck hate. Reck's list is also useless without reasoning.

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So much bickering ITT. If you guys want an alternative, the hayker wagon welcomes you with open arms.

[Papa Zito]

Yay Hayker wagon.

vote: Hayker

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Catching up bleargh, I'm several pages back, but a quick skim leads me back to the Hayker wagon

vote Hayker

. MSSK wagon is also a decent choice, I'm happy with whichever one is larger.

What's better about the Hayker wagon as opposed to mine?

...lol?

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Sajin, please explain your PR in excruciating detail.

[Papa Zito]

I have no thoughts and probably won't have thoughts today.

Erm. Today as in December 21st or today as in Day 2?

[Papa Zito]

This is me scratching my head in confusion.

[Papa Zito]

This is typical DeathNote play. It isn't odd for him at all.

Links plz?

@Zito- No. Go fish.

Fail. Fine, we'll do this the hard way.

I have lost my memories. I am stuck between the light and the darkness. Can any of you help me? Plum, what say you? Gorrad? Surely, you can help me?

Why did you write this in such a way as to confuse us into thinking you were the mod?

Plum would be a poor choice to plunge into darkness. She is actively fighting for the light. And I apologize in advance for all the vague information I will be sharing. It must be done.

Thats my way of saying my thoughts on someone's alignment. I am possibly heavily restricted in what I can say and how I must act. (as I tried to say earlier, hopefully this line is allowed to clarify)

Why did you make your opinions appear as facts at first? What facts can you present to us now, without hindrance of your PR?

Why has no one said they would help me? I keep saying that I need to be helped and everyone ignores that. I need to be helped.....

Were you helped?

[Papa Zito]

Hard to argue with orange text.

If SSK is a jester I'm going to be annoyed.

unvote: Hayker
vote: MafiaSSK

[Papa Zito]

I'm pegging this as Nobody-scum needing to revise strategy due to replacement of a member. Unlike DisCode, I could see Goofball as an evil genius that made Cobalt and Gorrad change gameplans for her.

She was my godfather in mith's big game. Read the QT. She runs her factions with dictatorship, I know. Zito was with us. Give me your opinion on this issue, Pop.[?]

My opinion on what, that she runs scum teams, or DGB in general?

Rereading too. With two Nobodies down finding any remaining ones shouldn't be too hard.

[Papa Zito]

Rereading too. With two Nobodies down finding any remaining ones shouldn't be too hard.

Pay close attention, there's someone out there that distanced from one buddy, and supported the other. Possibly distanced from Cobalt, and supported Gorrad as GF, but that's not set in stone.

Very likely, though Cobalt was also some kind of daykilling PR so I'm not ruling out a player defending both.

BTW, 27 players, you think 4/4 scum is balanced?

{still parsing}

[Papa Zito]

Yeah I saw that during my iso, DTM.

@Zito- why would you guess 4 and 4? On what basis?

On the basis of 2 scumteams and 27 players. 5/5 doesn't seem fair, that's too many scum. 3/3 doesn't seem fair to the scum side. I don't think it's unbalanced but it could be.

I have some questions out to you from yesterday, BTW.

Still working on a big post.

[Papa Zito]

I got tired halfway through this, so.

ace5993

Ace is a possibility for either scum team.

The Hayker wagon I can certainly sympathize with, I'm in between a bad player read and a scum read. However, the quick formation of the wagon reminds me of the wagon on zwet yesterday (which admittedly I was a part of), so I am reluctant to jump on so soon, especially when there is nothing that is glaringly scummy. The MafiaSSK wagon is much better imo, but the last currently viable option is better still:

Vote: joe478

Here we see someone trying to deflect from a Heartless wagon. If Hayker turns up scum like I think he will, we have obv buddy ITP.

Then again:

Cobalt annoys me, but I don't see him as scum. Just a gut read on this one though.

orly

Also try looking for where ace mentions Gorrad even once. Go on.

No?

Okay then.

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DeathNote

Remember this weird little series?

Quit calling me out. :/

I have no thoughts and probably won't have thoughts today.

I didn't think about that. December 21 for sure but maybe day 2 as well... it depends on what happens.

Foreshadowing FTW?

Also:

Lets change the subject from the recent mod kill attempt.

You'll remember the mod kill fiasco that Cobalt was involved with D1. Turns out that was a scum ploy. DeathNote just wants to sweep it under the rug tho.

He never calls out any of our three scum, but then again, he hasn't done anything at all this game. Whatever DeathNote is, he's not pro-town.

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DGB

DGB/Discode certainly isn't a Nobody.

DGB, can you explain this bit?

TOWN
ModVoice
Shotty
Gorrad
DGB
MafiaSSK

Hayker, joe, MafiaSSK are excellent lynched for today. Together they are an all-you-can-eat buffet.

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DTMaster

DTMaster is likely town. Don't want to make townie cases, let's move on.

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Starbuck/fuzzylightning

Starbuck only notices MafiaSSK after the ridiculous claim. Her predecessor ignored him completely.

I agree with her completely re: raider. If raider flips Nobody Starbuck is not on that team.

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Hayker

It's no secret I want Hayker dead. Now I think he's a Nobody.

Scum list eh?/ There are a few names roaming around my mind From greatest to least:
...
Gorrad
This is mostly because he keeps on giving every damn person a reasonable claim, stop doing this please and thanks

I don't think you can get more obvious.

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Iecerint

Iecerint is probably town. Moving on.

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joe478

joe478 is an absolute non-entity and needs to be vigged or something. The only connection I could see is this:

unvote, vote: cobalt

I have reasons.

Are you going to share these reasons with anyone else or just keep them to yourself?

With anyone else I'd think this was fine, but joe so rarely does anything that this sticks out. He's anti-town all over, possibly Nobody.

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Kdub

Kdub is likely town based on yesterday.

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Kise

I dunno what to make of Kise. I don't think he's a Nobody with Gorrad... Gorrad was sailing right along and Kise brought attention to him.

There's nothing about SSK until the blowup.

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raider8169

raider's continual defense of Cobalt yesterday is badbadbad.

Either way I do not think a Cobalt lynch or kill is warrented until after the flib of SSK.

Raider tries to paint a picture here that SSK's Heartless flib would make Cobalt town. But the Cobalt love didn't start here.

RayFrost voting cobalt and saying he has reasons without posting his reasons is scummy to me.

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RayFrost

Ray's probably not Heartless. But, Ray does have good a shot at being a Nobody. He does a lot of attacking on Cobalt which may be a bus, but when Cobalt's claim comes out:

Cobalt.

Seriously.

His role is crappy.

SSK dies, we lynch joe afterward.

unvote, vote: joe

lolwut

Then with Gorrad:

DGB seems town to me due to how unashamed DGB is (and I think gorrad is town and gorrad trusts DGB for, IIRC, decent reasons).

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Saberwolf/UncertainKitten

Saberwolf does a lot of chatting with Cobalt but no pressure or votes. His interactions with Gorrad don't feel forced. Probably not a Nobody. His SSK push probably isn't a bus.

Forbiddanlight doesn't do much of anything until the blowup.

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Sajin

Absolutely useless. I still think this is a 3rd party slot.

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Shotty to the Body

Shotty declared GOrrad town at one point. He has a couple of Cobalt votes but they were kinda half-assed. hmm

He jumped right on SSK, don't think he's a buddy here.

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wolframnhart

Nothing at all on Gorrad or Cobalt. He jumped on with MSSK fast enough.


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Possible Nobodies: raider8169, Hayker, RayFrost, ace5993, joe478
Possible Heartless: ace5993, Starbuck, Kise
Possible 3rd parties: DeathNote, Sajin

vote: raider

Also, why does Plum always get killed early in our games?

[Papa Zito]

I'm not too fussed with the order either, honestly. Actually I'm surprised it's still such a target-rich game this far in. But we have ~5 scum still floating around, so.

[Papa Zito]

I had SSK pegged as town until he called Cobalt our for bus'ing him.

Arrite. Yeah, context, okay.

DGB is town ya'll. I'll get SpyreX in here to eat a hat if I'm wrong.

Why can't DGB be a Nobody? I dun get it.

She spent waaay too much time talking about Cobalt and Gorrad.

I see him scumhunting and though he can be looking for the other scum group it still benefits us until the other group is dead.

This is not townie thinking.

If we still have a vig floating out there, please shoot joe or Sajin. TIA.

[Papa Zito]

I must say, that is exelent directing of the vig papa zito. I wonder what other fun things you've said this game...

Thanks. And I've said lots of things this game, you should try it.

This actually isn't one of my points, but I just noticed that you mentioned Sajin, and proceeded to talk about the Ghost. Might be some context I'm missing. Please clarify what was happening here if you can.

You somehow missed that Sajin was the one speaking through the mod? lol?

Blatent buddying

That's called scumhunting. I appreciate you don't know the difference.

Unless you meant the adorable part. That's just trufax.

This is me scratching my head in confusion.

Scumtell

I shouldn't be confused by the player who announces that he's not going to play for an entire gameday?

On second thought, maybe you should go back to lurking.

[Papa Zito]

Not this bullshit again.

1. tries to discredit the disembodied voice heavily (read: make it seem as if the DV is worthless backtracking third party)

No, that's what you're doing. What I did was give arguments about why I believe Sajin is not-town. What you're doing is discrediting me by attacking me for attacking a non-confirmed player without even looking at the arguments themselves.

2. claims willingness to lynch either me or SC just to make us shut up (amazing case there, buddy!), tough most of that post is attacking plum. (keep the attack on plum in mind for later).

That was a joke. Funny how you didn't take umbrage to it then.

3. Bugs DGB about her town read on the modvoice without any real reasoning behind doing so. Also note the mod voice

said

they were third party, so yeh. not paying attention to the thread?

I have plenty of reasoning why I think Sajin is 3rd party (at least). So of course I'm questioning why DGB would think differently.

Please link to where Sajin admitted to being 3rd party.

4. says WRH is going to die cuz DGB says so but does nothing either way on it (buddying up to DGB perhaps?)

DGB and I just got through playing City of Angels III together. I'm aware of her ability to get people dead. I'm not sure what I was supposed to "do either way on it".

5. This is mostly hindsight, but Gorrad voting our dayvig and all Zito did was call him silly when gorrad voted the dayvig. he also makes a seeming random vote on hayker.

It was silly. You direct dayvigs, not vote them.

My vote on Hayker had plenty of reasoning. Who isn't paying attention to the thread?

6. doesn't do anything toward plum (letting DGB champion attacks on plum and forgetting her entirely)

Yeah. I already explained this. DGB doesn't need my help. Letting her do her thing lets me get a read on both her and her target.

Read the thread.

7. Zito is a nobody. My secret one shot info told me so.

Uh huh.

So let's make sure we've got your story straight.

You've spent the game stating not one suspicion on me, not once, at all. So you decide to wait until two Nobodies are dead (lessening the pool) to use your magical one-shot ability on Night 2 on someone that you're not even really suspicious of. Then you wait until I make a big post pointing you out to be likely Nobody to share your magical information on me. That about it?

Oh wait.

that's the plus; the minus is that I don't have any kind of investigation.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, do you think RF is scum, or that she is simply mistaken?

I'm not sure. The way he's tied himself to Hayker makes me wonder if he panicked a bit when I said they were both Nobodies. Or it could be that some kind of 3rd party (meaning another player, not necessarily anti-town) is involved.

PZ - I was sick yesterday, so I didn't get confirmation from the mod regarding a question I asked, which was necessary for me to know if my information was accurate.

That's ridiculous. You received your info during the night right? And you posted several times at the start of the day right? Why were you too sick to get your "clarification" but not too sick to post in the thread? Why didn't you get your clarification when you received your info? What was so weird about "Hey Papa Zito is a Nobody" that you had to get clarification from the mod?

Your story makes no sense.

PZ, you are at L-2, RF says that his one shot ability has claimed you to be a Nobody, do you not feel the need to claim to try and disprove him, or are the rolling eyes supposed to show us your innocence?

My rolling eyes is at his story, which just keeps getting worse.

[Papa Zito]

2505 is to say why I didn't vote straight off / why it came after PZ pulls a case out on me.

I find it funny that cobalt said "hey gais, not enough support for a RF lynch, NK him" and PZ is now pushing for a case on me.

It's hilarious really.

It's like...

Gorrad and PZ and [insert whoever is left here]: *arch their eyebrows at cobalt's stupidity and plot RF's demise*

Gorrad: *blown to bits*

PZ: *continues with devious plan*

RF: *reveals awesome powers and the fact PZ is nobody scum*

PZ: *starts to freak out as the tide is suddenly turned to him and stalls while he comes up with a believable fakeclaim/asks the mod for one*

This is lulz. How am I pushing for your lynch when I'm not even voting for you?

[Papa Zito]

Oh hai I'm not a n00b claiming at L-2.

I like the part where you waiting to make sure enough people swallowed your BS to vote. That was fab.

[Papa Zito]

PZ, also, I don't see why you're complaining about waiting for confirmation. Hell, I would wait several pages to mention an investigation, anyway, to observe scum behavior pre and post revelation.

I'm complaining that his timeline makes no sense. And he's refusing to explain what was so weird that he needed confirmation. Among other things.

[Papa Zito]

That, too.

See, PZ? There are all kinds of explanations.

Yeah, that's just fantastic. It makes all kinds of sense.

I mean...

I believe it's come down to one of us is scum.

I actually have proof that I'm town - my claim.

Because he couldn't actually answer to what I said, you know? Aww just forget all that BS, I have a claim let's roll with it.

Plus Cobalt's power finding SSK yesterday was proof that he was town, amirite?

[Papa Zito]

Eh.

You want to go claim to claim, PZ?

I'm willing to.

Heck, I'd even go first.

Do it then.

DGB, I still <3 you even when you're a frothing lunatic. Just so you know.

[Papa Zito]

Yeah Ray, that's still not English. Nice backtrack, you're obviously really sure of yourself here.

[Papa Zito]

Papa Zito you are technically at hammertime because if you fail to claim now, you might very well be hammered before you show up again.

That's actually true. I have some dishes waiting for me.

Ray, you going to claim afterwards or just giggle some more?

[Papa Zito]

Sigh. I hate dealing with this BS.

Hai I'm Donald Duck.

Now what Ray?

[Papa Zito]

unvote: raider
vote: Papa Zito

[Papa Zito]

Night kids.

[Papa Zito]

Not a failed self-hammer.

I'm VT, so killing me doesn't really matter. Trying to get more info out of Ray isn't working so we may as well end the day so you guys can lynch him tomorrow and move on with the game. There's really nothing else to say here.

[Papa Zito]

Good luck town.

[Papa Zito]

ITT: Zito learns to have his fakeclaim ready well ahead of time.

And Zito...don't rolefish me.

I would have acted the exact same way as town.

Thanks.

You bet.

Your welcome btw.

???

Well done town. You guys kept the game in control at all times and it shows in the results.