Legacy of the Ancients Mafia (That's All, Folks!)

[Xylthixlm]

vote: zwetschenwasser

[Xylthixlm]

Also, noting certain things I've noticed.

Noted.

[Xylthixlm]

I lurk as:
* Vanilla Townie,
* Mafia Goon
* Mafia power-role
* Town Power-role.

Live with it.

I lynch lurkers as:
* Vanilla Townie,
* Mafia Goon
* Mafia power-role
* Town Power-role.

Live with it.

unvote, vote Maemuki

[Xylthixlm]

The interesting thing is, that miller claim is confirmable.

[Xylthixlm]

The interesting thing is, that miller claim is confirmable.

How so? What prevents Kai from just killing a target?

Roleblock him.

I'm not saying this is

practical

, but it's theoretically possible.

[Xylthixlm]

It would also require the tracker to claim. And a tracker to exist on the first place.

Yeah, trying to confirm it would be a bad idea.

I'm just amused by the fact that it's a confirmable miller claim.

[Xylthixlm]

This is a fairly power heavy game so I expect there is a RB or Tracker, if not both.

^ rolefishing

[Xylthixlm]

Flawless logic!

Vote: xReckonerx

Yeah, it is.

unvote, vote zwetschenwasser

[Xylthixlm]

The last time I opposed a D1 lynch of zwet he turned out to be scum.

[Xylthixlm]

The last time I opposed a D1 lynch of zwet he turned out to be scum.

What game?

Lynch All Lurkers

Fun fact: I was on every single lynch wagon

except

zwet's that game.

[Xylthixlm]

Kairyuu: Your argument would be more convincing if zwet wasn't OMGUS-voting...

[Xylthixlm]

I think it would be best if I were lynched Day 0...

You only have to ask.

unvote, vote MafiaSSK

[Xylthixlm]

The correct response to a potential jester is to lynch them.

[Xylthixlm]

The correct response to a potential jester is to lynch them.

What if you are aware of the potential for vig kills in this game?

The correct response to a potential jester is to lynch them.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, the argument "we shouldn't lynch X, we should have a vig kill them instead" is... wacky.

"We shouldn't lynch a jester, we should have a vig kill them instead."
"We shouldn't lynch a lurker, we should have a vig kill them instead."
"We shouldn't lynch a scum, we should have a vig kill them instead."

What, exactly, is the difference that makes people think the first two are good ideas despite the last one being self-evidently stupid? I haven't figured this out yet. Someone enlighten me? Because to

my

logic, anything that would be worth vigging for is also worth lynching for.

[Xylthixlm]

It doesn't hurt the town to let the jester win.

[Xylthixlm]

Also consider the possibility SSK is telling the truth and lynching him really is best, btw.

[Xylthixlm]

Totally buying reck-scum.

[Xylthixlm]

DoS is scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Nothing takes priority over someone who asks to be lynched. I'll happily lynch you tomorrow.

[Xylthixlm]

I have never seen someone who asked to be lynched do anything beneficial for the town upon their death.

Fallacy. Generally the point of "lynch me" roles isn't that lynching them does something good, but that

not

lynching them does something bad.

Do you have any reasoning beyond the fact that he said, "lynch me" that it is a good idea to lynch him?

If he is lying, we should lynch him as a liar.
If he is telling the truth, we should lynch him on his word.
MafiaSSK is not sufficiently village idiot to try to get lynched for no reason here.

[Xylthixlm]

Why am I scummy, Xyl/Slicey?

Because you're looking for people to call scummy rather than trying to make the play that's best for the town.

[Xylthixlm]

The only time I've seen a Jester in a game I've played was on EpicMafia.com, and if the Jester was lynched, the game ended. I did not know a Jester win could coincide with a town win.

Tar would not put a game-ending Jester in a game he spent effort designing.

[Xylthixlm]

True Maemuki, but its not necessarily the same thing. SSK wants to be lynched for what he is implying are pro-town reasons on day 0, and xyl makes an excellent point. He is either lying or telling the truth and either way it is good for the town to find out, and since SSK feels that whatever his power is should be activated today why not?

Because it's stupid? And why do you think that his power is pro-town?

So... you're saying that if he's not pro-town, we shouldn't lynch him?

[Xylthixlm]

Why does nothing take priority?

Why would anything take priority?

[Xylthixlm]

Why?

[Xylthixlm]

Why?

Why not? We prevent an anti town force from winning. It feels good

And plus, Jesters had weird effects when lynched in MS 3

Don't tell me whoot's an alt, btw.

What do you think the chance is that he really is town?

[Xylthixlm]

MafiaSSK, which of the following would be be best for the town (select one or more)?

• Lynching you today
• Vigging you today
• Lynching you tomorrow
• Vigging you tomorrow
• None of the above

[Xylthixlm]

Not lurking is great. I love people who don't lurk. Keep it up.

[Xylthixlm]

BTW SSK isn't definitely a jester. Just sayin. >_>

How do you know that?

Read that again.

[Xylthixlm]

Town-zwet is bad for town because he's a distraction/mislynch target.

And so lynching him if he's townie wouldn't be wasting the lynch?

Does seem like circular logic there, doesn't it. On the other hand, "zwet is actually useful if you don't try to policy lynch him" is pretty circular too - given present evidence it looks like he plans to

not

be useful as long as anyone is suggesting a policy lynch, which doesn't inspire me to want him alive.

[Xylthixlm]

Suggesting a vig of SSK is more likely scummy than townie. (you still get the kill, possibly without the special ability activation. Win/win for scum)

So, you assume the special ability is automatically going to help town? Can you tell me why?

Further, if I'm scum, I'm presumably giving up a free lynch of someone not on my team and risking one of my own getting lynched.

I disagree with your logic, but I don't see it as scum motivated.

If he's lynched, then the vig is free to possibly kill scum; if he's vigged then the lynch is free to possibly kill scum. I don't see how lynching him is any sort of advantage to scum.

[Xylthixlm]

You're overthinking this.

[Xylthixlm]

I know how he thinks, and he knows how I think. No, more accurately, I have a vague idea how he thinks.

Your outguess-the-mod-fu is weak.

[Xylthixlm]

Reckoner is not a team player.

[Xylthixlm]

Reckoner is not a team player.

How do I know you're on my "team", potential-anti-town-Xyl?

I'm not the one trying to save my own skin here.

[Xylthixlm]

What they said.

vote MafiaSSK

[Xylthixlm]

Grey text and reck's behavior, including his "bah" post, scream survivor to me.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, I read it as the faction being Ancient (so all non-Ancients would have to leave the game),

but

another faction might say that it doesn't count as a faction for the standard factional win condition, or even counts as Ancient for the standard factional win condition.

[Xylthixlm]

30 minutes ago.

[Xylthixlm]

I hate waiting for flips.

[Xylthixlm]

that would be a lot of lynchers :S

It could even be a team of lynchers for all we know.
*taps fingers*

I'm going to hold serious setup speculation until a bit later when we have more info. That said, I wouldn't put it past Tar to have two neutral factions (Outsiders and Shadows?) each trying to eliminate the other first. But that's pure speculation.

[Xylthixlm]

Tarhalindur should come and break the suspense.

[Xylthixlm]

SSK was a neutral super bomb. The base is now destroyed and everyone is dead. Good Game.

AKA "game-ending Jester"

[Xylthixlm]

On a more useful note

Xyl

Foooooooooooooooooooooooooorsaken

Mrh?

[Xylthixlm]

...Maybe he's trying to say your race is "Forsaken?" That's all I can think of, really.

That's my guess. Which would imply several things. I won't spell them all out. But the forsaken description reads as third party anti town.

Which is why I'm curious about something.

Why isn't dramonic voting Xyl?

I'm definitely not Forsaken. dramonic?

[Xylthixlm]

Yeah, it was a failure to vote

Vote: Xyl

He's forsaken dude.

Wrong.

vote: dramonic

[Xylthixlm]

Wrong.

vote: dramonic

Don't worry, if you flip town we'll lynch him next. Either way, we lynch scum. Unless dramonic gets screwed results.

True, but I have to try. Lynching me would be bad.

[Xylthixlm]

True, but I have to try. Lynching me would be bad.

Would killing you be bad?

Because I can engineer your assassination if you'd like ^-^.

Still bad, but not quite as bad as lynching me would be.

[Xylthixlm]

@Xyl- perhaps you should explain a little as to why you are town? Saying I would not be a good lynch does not mean that you are town. Also, if you have any friends, like the outsiders apparently do, they should come to your defense... it would be scummy otherwise.

I am town because my role PM says I'm town (well, actually it says I'm Ancient faction, but same thing). I am not a good lynch because I am town. In theory all other townies are my friends, maybe you'd like to come to my defense?

[Xylthixlm]

Scum:

dramonic
DeathNote
malthusis
animorpherv1
???

your name could be here!

[Xylthixlm]

I laughed when I saw that. You forgot to include the other people who voted for you. (Sarcasm)

^ scum

[Xylthixlm]

^ scum

[Xylthixlm]

Your power better be useful, SSK, or I'll blast your head into oblivion. More than it already is, anyway.

Despite SSK's power not actually being useful, I think blasting him into oblivion would be a bad idea.

---

vote: DeathNote

[Xylthixlm]

For the vote? See previous "^ scum" comments. Anyways I'm not dead

yet

, and I plan to keep scumhunting until I am dead.

[Xylthixlm]

BTW, you probably shouldn't get all gleeful over my impending death yet:

Ultimate:

Ultimate: Requiem of the Last Day (passive - triggered)

- The first time you would be killed by a targeted ability this game, instead you aren't. (Lynches aren't targeted.)

Renumeration: Wipe from Reality

- You die at the end of the day after this Renumeration activates, and nothing can prevent this. (You don't die on the day that you were targeted by a triggered ability, but rather at the end of the day after that.)

[Xylthixlm]

Verrry suspicious.

[Xylthixlm]

I presume I could change my action's target, but I don't have to post it in thread. I'd be a little bit surprised if you can change an action once you've announced it in thread. That's what makes me suspicious.

[Xylthixlm]

Btw where is Seraphim only one post this game and it was a v/la

Have you noticed that animorpherv1 has

not posted at all

? And unlike Seraphim he has been active in other games.

[Xylthixlm]

re-

vote: DeathNote

[Xylthixlm]

Boxman and Vaya are town. I can't read Mufasa at all.

[Xylthixlm]

SocioPath worries me (see his post 4). Snow_Bunny townish. Bogre unclear.

[Xylthixlm]

Scum:

dramonic
DeathNote
malthusis
animorpherv1
???

your name could be here!

Just want to point this out again in case you missed it the first time.

[Xylthixlm]

I think Starbuck just hammered.

[Xylthixlm]

How did I hammer?

The lynch is currently on DeathNote.

I have a vote on DeathNote and a vote on Animo.

Durrrrrrrr.

Never mind, carry on.

Mod: Vote count?

[Xylthixlm]

My excuse is that DeathNote and animorpherv1 are both so scummy that I got them confused.

[Xylthixlm]

Yes, in Tar games your action goes through even if you're dead at the end of the day.

[Xylthixlm]

This is my posting style. If you want to see more, Fast and The Furious Mafia. Alright, I was scum there, but it's my posting style none the less. I need to work on it.

Your confidence is admirable. Your posting style itself, less so.

So, I went through the thread in search of DN's posts, and I didn't really find anything incriminating, in my opinon.

How about anything exonerating?

[Xylthixlm]

2. How is the act of leading itself necessarily scummy and worth an FoS?

I'd say that townies are more inclined to try to lead the town (scum tend to be cowards), but less likely to have any success.

[Xylthixlm]

You're welcome to follow me sheepishly instead.

[Xylthixlm]

You're welcome to follow me sheepishly instead.

I'd rather not. You're already dead anyway.

How is that relevant? I don't think it will hurt the quality of my scumhunting.

[Xylthixlm]

How is that relevant? I don't think it will hurt the quality of my scumhunting.

Cept you are twice confirmed scum. Or at least third party. Anti town in some way or you wouldn't have lied.

I didn't lie. dramonic is going to be the day 3 lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

So, is DoS the D4 lynch, Xyl?

I neither confirm nor deny that at this time.

[Xylthixlm]

I neither confirm nor deny that at this time.

You aren't Ancient, are you.

I neither confirm nor deny that at this time. What are you going to do, lynch me if I don't tell you?

[Xylthixlm]

As far as my claim, I can only die under certain circumstances. DragonsofSummer is one of the people who are capable of hammering me. The rest are already on my wagon.

We can test this. Someone other than DragonsofSummer please hammer.

[Xylthixlm]

I am town because my role PM says I'm town (well, actually it says I'm Ancient faction, but same thing).

Well, LAL, since you claimed Ancient.

I don't know about yours role PM, but mine has separate lines for 'Race' and 'Faction'.

[Xylthixlm]

Bah misattributed quote...

[Xylthixlm]

I don't know about yours role PM, but mine has separate lines for 'Race' and 'Faction'.

Interesting.

So your faction is Ancient. How interesting.

Do you actually believe that?
If that were true he'd have admitted to being Forsaken.

^ Don't forget, day 3 lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

unvote

I've got an idea for testing DN's claim. Someone else vote him and

I'll

hammer. I trust no one will object to that?

And then you can lynch dramonic tomorrow.

[Xylthixlm]

We'd be wasting a daykill though.
I'd rather have it be, say, mufasa or another policy-lyncheable.

^ scum

vote: DeathNote

Preview edit: Okay, this I have to hear.

[Xylthixlm]

DeathNote: You have one post to tell me exactly why hammering would be a bad idea.

[Xylthixlm]

Believing <------------------|--> Not believing

[Xylthixlm]

And you know who is in this group of people?

[Xylthixlm]

I know them... yes.

And no, I will not be giving out any more names.

This is probably wise, actually.

[Xylthixlm]

I think I understand.

Not hammering.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to expose this group or not. On the one hand, there's a good chance it contains a scum member, in which case the scum probably already know who the other members are. On the other hand, if it

doesn't

, revealing the members would be a Bad Idea. I suggest leaving it up to the group to decide whether it wants to reveal itself or not.

For the record I think I can make a pretty good educated guess about the group's identity, some of its members, and its abilities and actions so far. You might want to be careful about dropping any more hints...

[Xylthixlm]

Er... so.... the stuff about you not dying, day continuing, two townies dying, and whatever else you said.... that was all made up?

[Xylthixlm]

As far as my claim, I can only die under certain circumstances.

Does it waste the lynch?

No, but there are consequences... deadly ones.

You do what you wish, but it is a fool move for town, even if DragonsofSummer hammers.

Because two town people will die, and you will fail to lynch scum. Does that make sense to you?

I will try to word this as delinquently as possible. There is a group of people and only these people are allowed to hammer me. If anyone else does, then there will be "Negative Repercussions." This is all I know.

[Xylthixlm]

I highly recommend lynching lurkers.

[Xylthixlm]

Wait... Did Budja protect Xyl???

I'm guessing no.

[Xylthixlm]

>< That's not good.

What's not good?

[Xylthixlm]

I assume the amount of deaths. Xyl, would it be bad for you to full claim at this point?

I don't really see a benefit in full-claiming now.

[Xylthixlm]

Shouldn't Xyl be dead by now?

My ultimate keeps me alive for an extra day.

[Xylthixlm]

So you're going to claim when the day's nearly over Xyl? Or you're not going to claim at all?

I haven't decided yet.

I'm not sure on who I'll believe...Mufasa or Socio? Why is everybody ignoring post 700?

We're waiting for Socio to come in and say something.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh ok, that explains everything.

Vote: Xyl

Interesting that when dramonic claimed info on me, Maemuki immediately believed him... but here Maemuki seems unsure which to believe. Probable scumpartner with SocioPath and dramonic.

[Xylthixlm]

I am a informational role with a very large reason to believe Sociopath is scum. Sociopath, full claim.

Vote Sociopath

Thats ridiculous, and wrong. Well, the process might not be wrong, but the conclusions you are drawing are.

vote: SocioPath

[Xylthixlm]

I like this daykiller.

vote: Maemuki

[Xylthixlm]

choo-choo, bandwagon led by scum!

hey look he's protecting his scumbuddy.

[Xylthixlm]

Mufasa is playing this correctly for a protown info role. That doesn't mean he is one, but there's no need to press him for details now.

[Xylthixlm]

Uh, if Budja guarded me, that would be like... one of the worst plays ever. I'm guessing he guarded someone else, and the kill on me was delayed by my ultimate.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm trying!

[Xylthixlm]

Name a game where you didn't think I was scum trying to manipulate you.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm not trying to discredit Mufasa, but I think only saying that you have a reason to believe that someone is scum rather than stating that reason is questionable. It definitely seems like he's trying to cover his own tail.

No, it is exactly the right play. Consider if Mufasa is, say, a tracker who saw SocioPath visit Boxman - it's strong reason to think that SocioPath is scum who made the kill, but if he says "I saw SocioPath target Boxman" then SocioPath can just claim some other reason to make the target. There are other info roles which get similarly suggestive-but-not-conclusive evidence. Mufasa has to hide what exact info he has and get Boxman to claim first - that way there's a good chance that if Boxman really is scum he'll claim something that contradicts Mufasa's info.

[Xylthixlm]

I think Xyl is scum trying to manipulate us.

This.

Turn on your brain, please. There isn't a chance in hell that I'm a Shadow, so even if you think I'm scum, why would I be trying to protect Shadows?

I say Starbuck is right because if I was a protown role, I'd at least say why I have this reason. Not saying it makes me think he is more of a lyncher then a pro towm info role.

vote: Mufasa

You are either completely crazy, or scum.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm still not Forsaken either.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm still not Forsaken either.

Then how come that was the consensus I never really saw you argue Day 1?

Pay better attention.

[Xylthixlm]

One little tidbit I'd like to point out: Amished claimed race not-Ancient and faction Ancient, and flipped as an Ancient. That shows that the flip reveals faction rather than race, which means that xRECKONERx and Slicey were

not

Ancient faction.

[Xylthixlm]

Why are you assuming that the kill on me failed?

[Xylthixlm]

Uh... because you're alive?

Pay attention. I posted my ultiimate. It keeps me alive for a day when I'm killed.

[Xylthixlm]

That's Malt's council kill flavor.

Oh.

There's scum on the council. And they remain alive.

I was hoping that DragonsofSummer would be the only one.

So Xyl's chances of being manipulative scum just rose dramatically?

From 1% to 2% maybe.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh yeah, DeathNote seemed to know who was on the council. Duhhh. I figured that out earlier then forgot.

[Xylthixlm]

So XYL do you still believe you will die tonight?

No.

[Xylthixlm]

Ohkay then should we lynch you today?

I'd honestly rather not.

[Xylthixlm]

Was SocioPath part of the council, he is the mafia redirector. Unless, Deathnote talked in the private thread to his fellow mafia members to get the redirection.

In Tarhalindur games, scum have daytalk. (Unsurprising since there's no night.)

[Xylthixlm]

Since FL confirms that Malt did fail:

Vote: Xyl

So eager to be lynched?

[Xylthixlm]

I fail to see the harm in outing info the scum have demonstrated they already have.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, since you say your not scum, are you saying your 3rd party? Regarding the race you (supposedly) are, explain why.

I'm

still

not Forsaken. I'm surprised nobody has guessed my race, my ultimate is a huge clue...

[Xylthixlm]

I'm saying either Eluders or Silicoids.

Silicoids almost makes sense, actually. But no.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm so stupid. Undying.

We have a winner.

[Xylthixlm]

you win the most credule townie award. Happy?

"townie"?

[Xylthixlm]

I'm inclined to see the high council as an all-scum group.

4 of us have already died. Only two of them were third party. Rest were townies.

Two

were third party?

[Xylthixlm]

By the way, why isn't Maemuki lynched yet?

[Xylthixlm]

It's got to be malthusis, DragonsofSummer, Boxman, xRECKONERx.

[Xylthixlm]

forbiddanlight is totally town.

[Xylthixlm]

By my count there are only four people voting right now. This town is

fail

. Seriously. Scum are going to walk away with the game if everyone doesn't start scumhunting. That's how the scum (including me) won MS3.

I want everybody who isn't currently voting to vote someone.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, if I'm not already,

Unvote, Vote Xyl

At least it's a vote.

[Xylthixlm]

Nah, let's better lynch him now.

Vote: Xyl

Obviously my strategy of acting super-protown has failed.

[Xylthixlm]

I want everybody who isn't currently voting to vote someone.

This includes you, MafiaSSK.

[Xylthixlm]

The problem isn't that the redirect doesn't make sense if I'm town ... the problem is that it doesn't make sense if dramonic is scum. It makes perfect sense if I'm town because that way the town will spend a day lynching me instead of maybe lynching scum.

Of course, the only reason we think it was dramonic is he claims that he got flavor saying he was targeted...

[Xylthixlm]

Because if we continue spending more energy talking about night actions than we do debating who is scummy, this town is

doomed

.

Scumhunt, people. Vote. Don't just sit around waiting for the people talking about power roles. I don't want this town to fail the way the town in MS3 failed.

[Xylthixlm]

whoot = obvious Mufasa alt

[Xylthixlm]

Well it is obvious I am a tracker.

I have very good reason to suspect mae based on my trackings

Whoever posted as whoot looks like they already claimed tracker, that wasn't an attempt to claim a previously unclaimed role. Only one person has claimed tracker, and that's Mufasa.

[Xylthixlm]

whoot has also "accidentally" posted in Flash Mafia and Perfectionist Mafia, both of which have Mufasa playing in them...

[Xylthixlm]

On the other hand whoot and Mufasa are playing together in StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare, and in Big Brother Mafia.

The only game whoot has played in that Mufasa wasn't playing in was MTG: Parallel Universe Mafia (SSK subgame). However, Mufasa was playing in Tar's subgame.

This is something to worry about elsewhere, I think.

[Xylthixlm]

zwet what are you talking about?

[Xylthixlm]

you

Got that, it's the "pretending to be confirmed town" part I don't understand.

[Xylthixlm]

On the other hand whoot and Mufasa are playing together in StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare, and in Big Brother Mafia.

The only game whoot has played in that Mufasa wasn't playing in was MTG: Parallel Universe Mafia (SSK subgame). However, Mufasa was playing in Tar's subgame.

This is something to worry about elsewhere, I think.

I was going to point that out. That is why I doubt alts.

Actually Mufasa/whoot1234 just got banned for cheating.

[Xylthixlm]

WTF? Are you even in this game?

^ not the post of someone who just accidentally posted on his little brothers account. That post would go "oops, my brother forgot to log out, that was me". This post is trying to hide the fact it was you.

[Xylthixlm]

So your brother has your login info? Because your brother would have had to accidentally post in the wrong game with only info you know using his own account, then log out and log into yours.

[Xylthixlm]

vote: Maemuki

[Xylthixlm]

Besides a scum read and the fact that the modkilled tracker named her scum? No, not particularly.

[Xylthixlm]

And what do you think about the only death being a scum death?

Confused.

Also what do you think about Mufasa flipping Neighborhood Watchman?

Proves he had an info role.

[Xylthixlm]

Seraphim is V/LA, according to his sig.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, why do you think that the council kill was redirected when it was directed to you? (answer please.)

Well, the really obvious reason is so that the scum would both get a second kill

and

cause the town to waste a lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Why won't you just get lynched XD

I think I just did.

I was town, by the way.

[Xylthixlm]

Votes required to lynch:

6

[Xylthixlm]

I shall not be forgotten, thou all-destroying but unconquering ones! To the last I grapple with thee! From hell's heart I stab at thee! For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee! I am Vengeance! Vengeance shall be had!

Ultimate: Requiem of Vengeance!

... I wish.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh and don't forget to lynch Maemuki next, thanks.

[Xylthixlm]

Ultimate: Guards, Guards! (Passive - Triggered)

- The first time a player targets you for a kill, you will roleblock that player until the beginning of the next game day.

(You will be informed when this happens. This prevents

klls

from being copied onto your guest.)

"klls"? This is a falseclaim PM. Tar wouldn't make a mistake like that on a PM he reviewed a bunch of times while designing the setup, but he might make it on a falseclaim.

[Xylthixlm]

... or I suppose Tar could deliberately be adding typos to real role PMs, but nah ....

[Xylthixlm]

Vote: Xyl

You have lived for too long.

People! Stop night-killing Shadows! I need them alive so I can lynch them!

You do realize that there's no way I'm a Shadow... right?

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, I had requiem of the oldest order, so I could have won even after being lynched if not for malthusis.

Dang it.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, I'm starting to think tar is assigning roles nonrandomly based on how I get scum in every game. It's kind of annoying.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh yes, MS 4.

Why do I do this to myself?

/pre-in MS 4.

This, unless I con Tar into letting me co-mod.

[Xylthixlm]

(Note to Xyl: I assigned a couple of roles specifically - I do reserve mod's prerogative for 2-3 roles in a large them - but IIRC you (unlike, say, zwetschenwasser) weren't one of them. The RNG just hates you.

I say IIRC because you *did* ask for daykills in the signup thread... if I did assign this to you specifically, that's why.)

I asked for a daykill

so I could kill zwet

. Giving zwet kill-immune completely defeats the purpose.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, I'm going to correct my pre-/in. My desire to not play with zwet outweighs my desire to play in Tar games. Therefore, I am pre-/in for MS4 unless zwet is playing, in which case I am /out.