Mafia 103 - Ktown Mafia (Game Over)

[SolemnJ]

/confirm.

Hello peoples.

/cracks knuckles.

[SolemnJ]

Hm.../expects YJ to get replaced this mafia.

[SolemnJ]

/confirm.

OMG I am back from my immense lack of activity. <3 <3 <3 xXx

...

SHUT UP JORDAN! xD

YJ

lol, methinks ur scum.

[SolemnJ]

Lol, I wish I was a serial killer; that would be so much fun.

Hm...this tomfoolery is hurting my ability to find scum.

vote J-Fox

[SolemnJ]

Random Vote: J-fox

Random vote...or random WAGON????

Ok. I'm bored with the whole RVS thing already.

[SolemnJ]

No, he would have RVSed someone else, someone w/ mre votes if he erally wanted to wagon.

Not serious at all.

Times tos stops das funnies.

/s proceeds tos dos quicks res-reads

[SolemnJ]

@SJ - Any luck with ending the RVS?

We're getting there.

I hate Haylen's love of the RVS.

[SolemnJ]

lol I feel the same way.

But self votes are pointless; especially if multiple people are doing it...

Also, I still don't see what CrueKnight's voting habits were as a valid scumtell. But its worth a finger of suspicion.

[SolemnJ]

Random stage ends when no one else is random voting silly. We usually want this to happen as soon as possible so that we can get on with the game.

Why not do anything to end it? If you try hard enough you can kill the RVS a couple pages in max.

@Kat - Why is bandwagoning bad? I think its a great way to get a game rolling

@SJ - Any luck with ending the RVS?

We're getting there.

So what needs to be done to get there? What can you do to get us there?

Also, I still don't see what CrueKnight's voting habits were as a valid scumtell. But its worth a finger of suspicion.

Why FoS? Why not vote? What is the line between the two?

1. Stop random voting. I do this by doing what I'm doing. To end the RVS, just enamate feelings of RVS-endingness

2. The line between the two is how valid I feel the suspicion.

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@Wickedestjr:

The point was to note it and see what the town thought of it. My overall TONE in that post was not serious.

I tell you what I'm going to do b/c I'm methodical like that. If you could metagame me, you'd see that that's just what I do. I'll post my thoughts when I have valid suspicions.

***

Also, Crueknight seems to be a spammer this Mafia.

[SolemnJ]

Hm...thats interesting thinking.

But my voting patterns are different than yours, and I see no difference between voting for a player and saying my beliefs, and just stating what I think.

Besides, isnt the RVS over if people are using logic in their attacks?

[SolemnJ]

Hm. Good lesson, then, anyways.

...Chainsaw Defense?

unvote; vote Crueknight

There, happy?

Now...question: why does Furry have so many votes on him?

[SolemnJ]

Precisely; I'm wondering why Furry has so many votes on him.

To your question: If logical discussion has begun, the RVS is null. Besides, I would have voted earlier, if I wasnt in a rush, and then I got stubborn b/c people were telling me to vote.
Furry was just half agreeing w/ me. I feel that the RVS is ended when logical discussion begins. He feels that votes must be put down.
I suppose I miss the point of votes- to vote for who you think is scum.

Now I know that I should vote for those I suspect, too. /new at this. Sorta.

That statement u quoted was in response to the question of
"Why would I even say that if it wasnt serious?"

[SolemnJ]

My vote stays for now.

Crueknight has only spammed
and defended himself. And was kinda dumb about it, too.
His voting pattern consists of his random vote, and then his self vote.

He fits my mold of scum/badtown.

I need to see how he responds to these accusations.

*

At those who think I am scum:

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

And @Furry, I'm posting my thoughts as time goes by, and I had thought that one shouldnt vote until he is ready to make a decision. Or at least, that's how I felt.

Is there any other reason you guys got a vote on me?

[SolemnJ]

Hey guys, sorry I'm, usually inactive during weekends.
I see we're getting a little more serious.

Unvote;
Vote: SolemnJ

Scott, ur vote is baseless. You think I'm scum b/c the tone of my answer was "bad"? You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

I will like to see his response to Scott's:

I never said you were a SK. Guilty conscience?

uhh....yes, you/he implied it at least.

Your reason for voting me is bull, I repeat. /maintains vote.

[SolemnJ]

Lol, I wish I was a serial killer; that would be so much fun.

Hm...this tomfoolery is hurting my ability to find scum.

vote J-Fox

that's that.

So you voted me without even a basic knowledge of what you were talking about? So you thought I needed pressure on me...why?

[SolemnJ]

Lol, I wish I was a serial killer; that would be so much fun.

Hm...this tomfoolery is hurting my ability to find scum.

vote J-Fox

does not equal

You think I am an SK b/c I said I wish I was? Sigh, how am I supposed to defend myself against that?

Again I never said you were SK. But you are certainly getting quite defensive over 2 votes.

WarWound- Read the game. Its 8 pages. You can handle it.

you want me to cite the question?
And...aren't I supposed to defend myself if people think I'm scummy? You'd rather me ignore it?

**

Wow. LOL. HoS: CrueKnight This is funny.

What? Why the hell are we voting for anyways?
It's really just a squeeze until you get what you want out of the person.
I don't see what's so funny about that. You don't lynch people this early on. Amirite>?

Why did you tell SolemnJ that it was a pressure vote and that you didn't want him lynched?

Yay, someone agrees with me.

[SolemnJ]

I think telling him he is being pressured won't do any harm or dilute the effects.

I still think he should explain why he misquoted.

...misquoted?

I suspect Furry, and will post why when I get time.

[SolemnJ]

1: So that was the only reason? Because in Post 173, you say it was just a pressure vote. Why all the flip-flopping?

2: No he didn't. He said;

SolemnJ wrote:
Your reason for voting me is bull, I repeat. /maintains vote.

And then you claimed it was a pressure vote in response to this. Also, even though SolemnJ didn't ask for reasons for you voting him, whenever a person does, don't say "it was a pressure vote." You explain why you have that suspicion.

Ok, let me put it simply:
He said my reason was bull,

avoiding my demand to explain why he misquoted... or falsely claimed something.

I repeated, I wanted him to explain. After seeing his previous response, it sounded if he thought I was going to lynch him or something. At least that's how I looked at it since he said his vote on me remains.
I thought it was harmless, and friendly to tell him the reason for my vote.

But my ONE AND ONLY PURPOSE out of this whole thing was to get him to explain some stuff and not just call it a bullshit argument.[/quote]

wtf is this?

First off, your logic WAS bad. How do I defend/explain BAD arguments w/o calling them bad?

Furthermore, ur being UNCLEAR about what you wanted me to explain.

You did your little OMGUS vote, and the reason you posted was completely baseless.

***

I'll post my attack on Furry later on when I have enough/more time...

[SolemnJ]

@wicked: votes dont end the RVS; thinking does.

How can Haylen use that comment as an excuse with the so many posts he has made this game? If you have nothing to say, don't say it; otherwise its just spam.

[SolemnJ]

I am now alive in 3. I am dead in 1. And the reason i wasnt posting was because i had a very unstable mylo and lylo in a game that i've finished just now, and I won it

Heya, sorry i've been pretty ill recently. Managed to catch a bug going round a place I was in for less than 2 days. It has not been cool.

Anywho, I will re-read and post ASAP.

Haylen, you still haven't contributed. A half-assed answer and some bullshit about spoiler tags is not contribution. My vote stands.

Ok. Let's put it this way. I'll give you a riddle. You're in a game on page ten that is nowhere near deadline. You're in another game, you're at L-1 as is another guy, everybody is voting and you have less that 24 hours to convince somebody to change their vote from yourself to the other guy. Where do you concentrate your efforts for those 24 hours?

Haylen's excuse(s) are very inconsistent.

First she says he is in Lylo, changes her mind and says she was sick, and then goes back to her lylo excuse again.

During that sick-excuse post, Haylen shows that she has time to re-read, but not to spend enough time trying to contribute to the thread.

Other than this, all of her posts have been 90% spam, and the other 10% just redundancy.

An inconsistent excuse to me is a sign of a liar,
especially where she notes that she can and has re-read, but is unable to post real thoughts.

unvote; vote Haylen

[SolemnJ]

HAYLEN IS A GIRL.
LOOK AT THE AVATAR.
LOOK AT THE LITTLE PINK SYMBOL.

FEMALE
FEMALE
FEMAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't make that mistake again. Seriously.

My excuses are not inconsistant. I play in quite a few games, they're all in different stages of progress. (I won the game that was in lylo:D). Would you like me to give details of how i was sick, cause i'm not having anybody telling me im lying about that when i felt so fucking rough for 3 days and was slipping in and out of consciousness for one of those days. I never said im in lylo in the game im currently in, I said there are 8 players, votes are split 4|4 and i now have until midnight to convince people not to lynch me. If you dont believe me, go to my wiki and find my current games, go check those games and the time frames and you will see at no point was i lying.

kthanxbai

it was a typo.. and I only did it once.

What about how you said you were re-reading and yet have YET to contribute.

In fact, you are able to defend yourself pretty well, but when it comes to scumhunting or just contributing...your posts have less of this and more of spam.

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CK, that defense is terrible. It only comments on the most basest attacks.

Ok, let me put it simply:
He said my reason was bull, avoiding my demand to explain why

he misquoted... or falsely claimed something.

I repeated, I wanted him to explain. After seeing his previous response, it sounded if he thought I was going to lynch him or something. At least that's how I looked at it since he said his vote on me remains.
I thought it was harmless, and friendly to tell him the reason for my vote.

But my ONE AND ONLY PURPOSE out of this whole thing was to get him to explain some stuff and not just call it a bullshit argument.

Wtf are you talking about here? Have you even forgotten why you voted me in the first place?

[SolemnJ]

@wicked...I thought I answered all of them. Which did I miss?

[SolemnJ]

/s proceeds tos dos quicks res-reads

This looks like an attempt to appear helpful, because I don't really see what purpose one would have for re-reading the thread at this stage of the game. Also, why did you need to tell us this?


The question above is the one I have been waiting for an answer to.


Also, I must have missed 237, but... wow.

lol at last part

I think I already adressed this, but I'll repeat.

It was an attempt to appear helpful in a way, I guess,
but the main reason to reread was so that I could make sure I hadnt missed anything scummy. I don't think I saw anything of major interest at that point.

The reason I told you this was b/c I suppose I'm wierd like that. In a previous mafia, I got hit for spam b/c of this, so I try not to do it. But old habits die hard.

[SolemnJ]

O.o

I see an inconsistency.

I think voting for someone means you want them lynched. Then again im not really into the 'hip and trendy' lifestyles that are going on now adays. Does 'dont necessarily want' mean 'would like to have' in today groovy slang?

I'm just voting for pressure. I do not have any intentions to lynch you.

Wow. LOL.

HoS: CrueKnight

This is funny.

Need to get caught up, but this is a fail of a HoS. Pressure votes work wonders. People play differently under pressure

So...voting not only to lynch is good or bad? You're being unclear, scum.

unvote; vote Furry

[SolemnJ]

Because it was someone making a pressure vote that drew it out... you agree with me that pressure votes are good, so why apply pressure to someone using one (even if they failed to correctly). Right now I fail to get a good analogy going (for some reason im trying to apply it to a knife fight... and cant stop doing so) but, it makes no sense to me.

here, too.

It is obvious that you like pressure voting just as much as you like voting for a lynch.

This inconsistency shows that you are using whatever "subtle" means possible to get a player lynched.

[SolemnJ]

EBWOP:

mistype. It WAS furry who made that post.

/requotes:

Need to get caught up, but this is a fail of a HoS. Pressure votes work wonders. People play differently under pressure

I know, but he shouldn't say its a pressure vote.

Starting a wagon somewhat vaugely is a great way to catch a player off guard, saying its for pressure kind of defeats the purpose though.

Then why did you call my HoS bad?

Because it was someone making a pressure vote that drew it out... you agree with me that pressure votes are good, so why apply pressure to someone using one (even if they failed to correctly). Right now I fail to get a good analogy going (for some reason im trying to apply it to a knife fight... and cant stop doing so) but, it makes no sense to me.

[SolemnJ]

You dont pressure vote people you dont want lynched. You never vote people you dont want lynched. Pressure votes are more for medium suspects who you wouldnt be against a lynch of, but you like other lynches more.

Furry, this also looks wrong.

You don't pressure vote people you don't want lynched?
Then why pressure vote at all?

What is the point of pressure votes?

[SolemnJ]

Timeout... im noticing we are slipping into semantics instead of trying to argue a point here.

For semantics - Give me a scenario where you think pressure voting someone you think is town is a good thing to do. For bonus points, make it a mountainous (10-2 all vanilla) game day one.

For the point - Cruelty, removing everything regarding lurking/fluff, what do you think of Haylen?

Furry, it isnt pressure voting someone who is town.
Its pressure voting someone who's alliance you don't have a definite opinion on.

[SolemnJ]

CrueKnight - My earlier case.

Which was:
-I defended myself
-I told someone that I am pressuring them

How does this make sense?

That was not my whole case. Please respond to the below:

He said my reason was bull, avoiding my demand to explain why he misquoted... or falsely claimed something.
I repeated, I wanted him to explain. After seeing his previous response, it sounded if he thought I was going to lynch him or something. At least that's how I looked at it since he said his vote on me remains.

Which post seemed he thought you were going to lynch him? What made you draw that conclusion from that post?

Also, what is wrong with him thinking you want him lynched?

But my ONE AND ONLY PURPOSE out of this whole thing was to get him to explain some stuff and not just call it a bullshit argument.

Then why did you say it was just a pressure vote?

Damn I hate being in the spotlight in the beginning all the time.

One person FoSes him, and he feels like he's "in the spotlight." I see no reason for a person to hate being in the spotlight anyway.

I still think he should explain why he misquoted.

Where did he misquote?

Note that these points I have also covered.
The argument isn't on SolemnJ anymore. It isn't about me accusing him. It's about the results. I don't want to go back and point out the details but by this time, I have forgotten what SolemnJ said that got me suspicious.

As for me being in the spotlight, there were 2 if not 3 guys Fingering at me while we were in the Joker Mode.

you're avoiding it, CrueKnight.
You wouldnt have made that vote without at least a slight reason.
You can't just forget why you do things. You need to take responsibility.
Where did I apparently misquote?

[SolemnJ]

I guess it was more convenient to attack Haylen.

I expected my old Furry attack to fail.
Also, Rhinox, I disagree with what you said about my new attack on furry; if he turns out to be town, I'll get myself an avatar.

The reason that I thought CK only deserved an FoS at the time was because it was possible CrueKnight had just made a towniemistake.

[SolemnJ]

My old furry case was based on his reason for voting me in the first place.
The reason I voted for Haylen and thought it more convenient was b/c she had more attention and seemed more scummy.
My suspicioun on Furry is fueled partially by a sixth sense.

@Furry
when you die, Furry, since you said so, even though you are scum, I'll still let you choose it
there are multiple scum this game, so I can pick and choose who to vote for whenever I please
Also, Furry, assumptions must always be made; but only the most likely ones can be believed.

If my case still isnt strong enough, I can wait until Day 2. There are many more scum in the sea.

***

Like CrueKnight.

WHY DID YOU WANT ME TO DEFEND OR EXPLAIN MYSELF IF YOU DIDNT EVEN KNOW THE ATTACK?
I really don't see the point of voting OR bandwagoning me if you don't have the slightest reason, ?except to get tells?

unvote; vote Crueknight

[SolemnJ]

Hm...it was more of the WAY he voted for me, not THAT he voted for me. So no.

I dont goin with the popular vote b/c it is popular. Not solely b/c its popular, but b/c uts popular and I agree with it.

[SolemnJ]

I am now alive in 3. I am dead in 1. And the reason i wasnt posting was because i had a very unstable mylo and lylo in a game that i've finished just now, and I won it

Heya, sorry i've been pretty ill recently. Managed to catch a bug going round a place I was in for less than 2 days. It has not been cool.

Anywho, I will re-read and post ASAP.

Haylen, you still haven't contributed. A half-assed answer and some bullshit about spoiler tags is not contribution. My vote stands.

Ok. Let's put it this way. I'll give you a riddle. You're in a game on page ten that is nowhere near deadline. You're in another game, you're at L-1 as is another guy, everybody is voting and you have less that 24 hours to convince somebody to change their vote from yourself to the other guy. Where do you concentrate your efforts for those 24 hours?

Haylen's excuse(s) are very inconsistent.

First she says he is in Lylo, changes her mind and says she was sick, and then goes back to her lylo excuse again.

During that sick-excuse post, Haylen shows that she has time to re-read, but not to spend enough time trying to contribute to the thread.

Other than this, all of her posts have been 90% spam, and the other 10% just redundancy.

An inconsistent excuse to me is a sign of a liar,
especially where she notes that she can and has re-read, but is unable to post real thoughts.

unvote; vote Haylen

here we go.

[SolemnJ]

@wicked - What case of SJs? As far as I can tell its all misunderstanding/misrep over views on pressure votes.

Post 267 is the case I agreed with.

And that not an inconsistancy, which I addressed already too

I guess it was more convenient to attack Haylen.

lol... yeah im happy with my vote

Why does that comment make you more happy with your vote?

Taking a lynch of a lesser suspect because its easy when deadline is not forcing it to happen is a scumtell. He is more inclined to just get a lynch then to get what he views as an ideal lynch[/quote]

No, you're assuming things; that you are a greater suspect.

@Wicked:
My old attack WAS different.
I didnt post this attack because it was invalid and I think it may have been fallacitical. So I refrained from posting it.

I don't give up my furry case. I just need to wait for another scumtell.

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@Faraday

I've never seen the effectiveness of the chainsaw defense scumtell in my few games of play.

[SolemnJ]

I disagree.

Wicked's posts have had just as much content as everyone elses, but more quotes. I feel he's been acting pretty pro-town.

[SolemnJ]

The early OMGUS post interests me, seeming as if Haylen is trying still to convince us not to lynch her rather than post her anger at her being lynched.

vote Haylen

[SolemnJ]

oh.

unvote; vote haylen

[SolemnJ]

hey peoples.

mafiascum.net was added to my school's blocklist, so I've been inactive for a bit. So sorry for that.

Furry, quote what you said yesterday.

[SolemnJ]

O.o

I see an inconsistency.

I think voting for someone means you want them lynched. Then again im not really into the 'hip and trendy' lifestyles that are going on now adays. Does 'dont necessarily want' mean 'would like to have' in today groovy slang?

I'm just voting for pressure. I do not have any intentions to lynch you.

Wow. LOL.

HoS: CrueKnight

This is funny.

Need to get caught up, but this is a fail of a HoS. Pressure votes work wonders. People play differently under pressure

So...voting not only to lynch is good or bad? You're being unclear, scum.

Anyways, on to this whole debacle. I will ask this again since people havent answered this, and without an answer any case on me based on it gets a hole punched down the middle.

When is it acceptable to try and pressure vote someone that you have a town read on?

When is it acceptable to ever have a vote on a player you have a town read on?

Pressure voting a player is always fine, but you should always be willing to have that player lynched. A vote to lynch is a little more serious about that then pressure, but you should never say "damn I didnt want them lynched, I though they were town" if somehow a 10x multipost occurs lynching a player.

I mean frick, how hard is it for people to grasp this concept. Dont vote town, vote scum, pressure slight scum. Tah-dah!

You dont pressure vote people you dont want lynched. You never vote people you dont want lynched. Pressure votes are more for medium suspects who you wouldnt be against a lynch of, but you like other lynches more.

Furry, this also looks wrong.

You don't pressure vote people you don't want lynched?
Then why pressure vote at all?

What is the point of pressure votes?

-Correct (if im reading that double negative right)
-To see how slight scum reads react
-To see how players react to pressure on them

I guess it was more convenient to attack Haylen.

Dont think its necessary to elaborate on this when it was made well over a week to deadline

The reason that I thought CK only deserved an FoS at the time was because it was possible CrueKnight had just made a towniemistake.

You can just say fencesitting instead of this excuse. What makes it a town-slip as opposed to scumtell?

Anyways, poker is starting. Will try and finish this tonight in hopes that we get that extension by tomorrow.

1. There's a middle ground; those you have no read on. You pressure those who are scum, and those others who have not shown towntells.

2. Just repeating your own double negative;
neways: this goes back to number 1. And this doesnt seem to be an attack on me.

3. Procrastination is bad. I should have done it sooner. It would have led to a better end of a Day 1.

4. The voice in the back of my mind. Always, the number of possible outcomes are many, and one shouldn't assume things with haste. /emphasizes last part.

Hm...now I don't see much of an attack. Gimme some more.

[SolemnJ]

SolemnJ, how much experience with mafia do you have?

to tell you the truth, a lot.

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Wicked, when doing pbpa, you need to take into context that people change their minds over time.

Furry seems to be acting strangely; completely stopping his attack on me, and not unvoting either. He seems to be ignoring the topic. As far as I see it, his reason for voting me is baseless, and he only seems to post when defending himself.

***

Also, Wicked, you said ud explain something when I return.

[SolemnJ]

Ive been busy recently, plus I live about an hour from San Fransisco and it snowed here for the first time I can actually remember so have been having fun.

Anyways - I would vote wicked over cruelty right now, even though I dont really think it would be much more then an deadline lynch right now to me. I actually side more with looking in different areas (SJ is prefered, but I like the malp pressure too).

Will try and get more caught up tonight.

You need to try and post a response to my defense/attack.

I find it interesting that the only people who would seem to want Scott brosius dead are CrueKnight and Furry. Scott Brosius only posted a couple of times. So actually...

unvote
vote:CrueKnight

Wrong. I don't have any intention to lynch Scott. The guys in my suspicion list are Furry himself, and I also agree with bits in the Wicked area.

I have no solid evidence against Furry, but I think Wicked is pretty obvious. I can elaborate when I have the time.

Bussing a scumpal?

vote CrueKnight

[SolemnJ]

Hm...I dont really understand the attack on wicked. Tell me more. And most importantly, why, foilist.

[SolemnJ]

kk, explain these.

[SolemnJ]

Bussing a scumpal?

vote CrueKnight

What are you talking about? And it that reason alone you are voting for me? Please elaborate on that.

I've been attacking you for a while.

Your post about your suspicions against Furry about him "being on the top of your list" for "no particular reason" really interested me.

[SolemnJ]

@SolemnJ: what do you mean by "Bussing a scumpal?" Who is bussing a scumpal and why?

The lack of activity in this game is very frustrating. Just because there is a deadline does not mean we have to wait for the deadline to come before we do anything.

i answered that.

[SolemnJ]

Furry: between wicked and cruelty, do either give you the conviction that they are more likely scum

wicked would be in my top few shots if I just went down the list with no reveal, I cant tell how much of this is from very solid tells and how much of this is from him misinterpreting my stuff enough that its making me wonder if it can even be unintentional. cruel would be in the middle ground. I dont want a lynch of him today by any means, but at the same time I dont have enough of a town read on him to make a fuss over him getting votes like some people.

Should be able to transfer time over from other stuff that has been sapping it tonight/tomorrow and continue pushing SJ a bit. I do like malp pressure, but want to keep toying with what I have for the time being.

ur really stalling, aren't you?

[SolemnJ]

1. There's a middle ground; those you have no read on. You pressure those who are scum, and those others who have not shown towntells.

2. Just repeating your own double negative;
neways: this goes back to number 1. And this doesnt seem to be an attack on me.

3. Procrastination is bad. I should have done it sooner. It would have led to a better end of a Day 1.

4. The voice in the back of my mind. Always, the number of possible outcomes are many, and one shouldn't assume things with haste. /emphasizes last part.

Hm...now I don't see much of an attack. Gimme some more.

Im not going to argue who gets pressured anymore. Its gotten into a very distracting arguement over semantics that really is not going to accomplish anything.

You shrugged off the whole "convienant" thing here. You didnt push your top suspect and instead went after secondary ones far away from deadline. You basically are saying "yeah I messed up". You are admitting that this is a strong and valid tell in the shadow of Haylen flipping town?

So you should never take a stance because there is always a chance that your opinion might change? If your mind changes it changes. You say why it did, and move on. You are outright refusing to take a solid stance on a player because your mind might change, this sure just sounds like a way to get out of ever taking a stance to me.

Good excuse above this post.

I think you're putting words in my mouth here.

If you want to talk bout how I attack based on convenience: there are more than one scum in this game. I don't organize my suspects as "Top" Suspects and "Secondary Suspects". I organize it as "Scum who should/can be lynched today", and "Scum who needs to slip more before being lynched".

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@Wicked: Probably one of them before I made that post. It'd be hard to find it. Tell me the page I made the post.

Next, Furry's review of my case is...wrong.

Everyone is not spamming, and CK continues to do this: lack contribution with still yet a number of posts.
CK's defense NEVER covered the points against him.
And as for random/self vote: this goes back to CK's lack of desire to contribute. He could have voted and attacked someone he thought was scum.

***

And as for the last part, my accusation relies around Furry being scum, yes. This would bring one to think that we should lynch Furry first to lynch CK, but for two reasons, I prefer the reverse:

1. Furry is contributing more. This means whether or not he is scum, its better he survives, thx to his wonderful amassment of knowledge of who is scum and town.

2. Furry isnt as scummy as CK.

[SolemnJ]

im making a thread in mafia discussion about lynching for non-contribution after this is all over.

Furry, I think I see what you are saying. One more question: Let's say that I vote for somebody that hasn't done anything scummy nor townie, and I do it mainly to pressure vote them. Does that mean I want them lynched?

I dunno, I wouldnt be pressure voting a neutral/no read.

Let's look at the contradiction one more time. Hopefully this time you'll understand why I was voting you:

I think voting for someone means you want them lynched.

Then again im not really into the 'hip and trendy' lifestyles that are going on now adays. Does 'dont necessarily want' mean 'would like to have' in today groovy slang?

and then you said:

Need to get caught up, but this is a fail of a HoS. Pressure votes work wonders. People play differently under pressure

Keep in mind that your second quote was in response to me giving CrueKnight an HoS. Remember why I gave CrueKnight the HoS? One of the reasons was because CrueKnight had said:

I'm just voting for pressure. I do not have any intentions to lynch you.

You seemed to have a problem with me attacking this. However, you also disagree with it. So...thanks for claiming scum.

This is the post wicked is talking about.

This is where I got some of my Furry/CK connection.
But I really didnt read this post, but instead just the quotes- I overviewed it, and all i saw was you restating the attack on furry.

But that CK quote thrown into the open is new. And very valid.

[SolemnJ]

I find it interesting that the only people who would seem to want Scott brosius dead are CrueKnight and Furry. Scott Brosius only posted a couple of times. So actually...

unvote
vote:CrueKnight

Wrong. I don't have any intention to lynch Scott. The guys in my suspicion list are Furry himself, and I also agree with bits in the Wicked area.

I have no solid evidence against Furry, but I think Wicked is pretty obvious. I can elaborate when I have the time.

Bussing a scumpal?

vote CrueKnight

What are you talking about? And it that reason alone you are voting for me? Please elaborate on that.

I've been attacking you for a while.

Your post about your suspicions against Furry about him "being on the top of your list" for "no particular reason" really interested me.

Not no particular reason... he is defending me a bit too closely. He "knows" I'm townie because of "gut feeling". I feel a bit itchy about this.

ok then. Ic that you said something earlier about a valid attack on Furry. Just pointing out why I said this.

Now, as you said you would, elaborate on the obvscumness of wicked.

[SolemnJ]

hm...interesting.

unvote

Now that I look at CK's posts, he seems less like scum, and I favour the Furry wagon over him. But wicked is interesting, too.

The problem with the wicked wagon, I feel, is that wicked seems to have been pretty pro-town.
CK's points against him are bad. The thing about how his questions arent useful for scumhunting, AND the thing about him voting Haylen.

Lemme read some more.

[SolemnJ]

cades is lurking in all his mafias...let him get replaced instead.

[SolemnJ]

if we lynch cades, we're just lynching a lurker who is likely to be town.
I agree that the Wicked case isnt good enough...

Hm...kunk. The person this player replaced does seem...scummy. Or at least badtown. But kunk himself seems solid.

Question:

Claim Cult Leader Day-Vig Jester Survivor.

impossible! I already have that role...

vote furry

cuz I don't wanna get touched anywhere inappropriately...

Im a role-doubler

hm?

[SolemnJ]

Hm...I believe kunk now. Sigh.

I don't like any of these. Does that mean I should vote cades?

vote cades

I suppose lynching him is better than lynching town.

[SolemnJ]

heck we have two days.

unvote

One sec...

[SolemnJ]

I have this ping in my head that determines truth from lie.

Kunk and his predecessor fit the mold of a vanilla claim.

I actually only wanted a yes/no, or a vague answer :/

I am obvnot scum.

[SolemnJ]

@SolemnJ:

Nope, unfortunately I don't have any special role, just a vanilla townie.

Ha. Can you explain why you would RC like that???

Vote: Kunkstar

This is very suspicious to me. He may not have been acting scummy like his predecessor, but this is surely one.

You should NEVER RC unless you're forced to. If you were town, you would have just said that it wasn't your role.

SolemnJ, this didn't prove anything... he most likely re-read through mafiascp's posts and knew about the RVC.

I don't like the reason for this, especially the last. What makes it unlikely that he IS vanilla? That he claimed?

Kunkstar: How expirienced are you at Mafia?

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Cruelty, that is a good point. Why wouldnt wicked vote for one of his candidates?

Lemme look at wicked some more...

[SolemnJ]

not liking solemnj lately ftr. feels off.

i'm happy w/ wicked or cades being lynched. I'll switch to avoid a NL obv. Against a wicked lynch as I think he's town.

Why not?

ARGH!!!!!! Who should I vote for??

Wicked has seemed pretty protown to me...and cades is just a lurker.

Cades is my last option...But I should be here before deadline to make sure we don't No Lynch.

Wicked...post something.

[SolemnJ]

I really don't know what to do...I'm never good at deadlines...

Also:
-cades vote
-unvote because two days is a lot of time
-kunk has acted like VT
-suspicion of wicked
-wanting wicked (on LA) to post

None of this is scummy. How are they questionable?

The times he did make moves, it was on someone who I not only have down as town, but also for reasons that are up there amungst the worst that I have ever seen someone seriously push a lynch over.

When does scum use bad reasons to try to push a lynch on D2?

[SolemnJ]

Wicked...post something.

are you following along?

wicked clearly said here that he would be unable to post for the rest of the day...

incidentally, I have about an hour of posting time left. I'll be placing my final vote for the day before I leave. I would hope to hear a little more discussion first.

yea...I was hoping. Sigh.

I'm starting to think we've been looking in the wrong directions, but those directions will have to be explored tomorrow...

Sigh. I agree. I don't think any of the current wagons are on scum. Is it better to lynch town than no lynch?

[SolemnJ]

cades could very well be replaced, but at this point I'm thinking that lynching him as a utility lynch might not be the worst idea. I just don't really believe in any option at this point.

vote: cades

Why is it better to lynch Cades than to no lynch?

[SolemnJ]

Basically my big problem with this lynch is that we aren't learning anything from it, and I have a very bad feeling this is scum lead. Like, we lynch cades, if they flip town everyone will go "oh well we lynched a lurker, it happens." while scum laughs at us. You don't lynch town, ever. And there has been evidence that cades has just gone off the loop entirely, but we are still lynching him. Being idle isn't scum behavior by default, and given that we are down three town members I am in no mood to play ball with dumb policy lynches.

Secondly the kunk lynch makes no sense at all. NO SENSE AT ALL. What kind of halfwit scum gets oddball looks originally for voting me while defending wicked, gets replaced, then the replacement takes the opposite stance. It doesn't make sense. It just does not make sense. Even if you want to say that wicked is town, for a scum to replace in and instead of taking the easier lynch in cades he tries to make a scum case. That doesn't seem very scummy to me at all, yet he is still getting votes.

Wicked has been under suspicion both days. Day one Haylen's idiocy and whining saved his head. There shouldn't be anything saving him today but people are playing really oddly at this point. Here's a giant spoiler: Neither Cades or Kunk's scum cases make a lick of sense at this point. One is a policy lynch when we are down three members of town and the other just literally doesn't make sense.

I agree with the first two.

Also why do people act like Wicked can't be scum. Seriously, his defenses have very thin and he tried to act as if he was suspicious of me pretty weakly after I attacked him yesterday. How about we let cades get replaced, realize kunk is pretty town, and punch a whole in wicked's scummy heart.

Hm...

Surprise, I get to post again...

cades could very well be replaced, but at this point I'm thinking that lynching him as a utility lynch might not be the worst idea. I just don't really believe in any option at this point.

vote: cades

Why is it better to lynch Cades than to no lynch?

cades lynch has a chance at hitting scum. No lynch has no chance at hitting scum. suggesting a no lynch just because we can't come to a consensus is scummy.

sir chris is making a lot of sense.

But cades lynch also has chance of hitting town. And I am pretty sure Cades is town. So why should I vote for him?

Pretty good overall, but it is far too late to try to lead a new lynch like that this far into the day. We only have roughly nine hours left in the day, it is best if we work off of established lynches. Basically my thoughts are this, if all three of the people we are looking at are town we are probably in trouble. It means we have been lead astray massively today and that means scum is doing a lot better job than town is at scum hunting vs negating our scum hunting. I think SJ being scum makes sense as does Wicked being scum, their votes and their plays. I am with you on SJ for sure, but at this juncture I do not have hope to start a new lynch and I don't really want to divert from my two daylong suspicion of wicked.

Why? I've been doing everything I can to make sure town lynches scum.

Although I will note I think every person aside from you on cades has looked worse than SJ today, so there's that.

/doesnt exactly understand this post

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Chris, explain the attack.

[SolemnJ]

Hm...wicked lynch will reveal a lot more, but I still think he's town.

I think all three of these wagons are wrong.

[SolemnJ]

Wicked has been actively contributing to the thread, creating more valid info for finding scum.

You could call some of the things he does scummy, but I don't see any of the logic against him as solid.

Sure the wicked lynch would reveal more, but I feel wicked is a very good player and can help us attain victory.

Do mislynches > no lynches?

I don't see how wondering about this makes me seem scummy.

[SolemnJ]

Scum do not only lurk though. That's the thing. Good scum will "contribute" while all the while town dies around them. Also what has he said that is valid? Has he lead to a scum lynch? Do you think his vote on cades is going to lead to a scum lynch? It isn't 'valid' if it is lynching town.

Hm...this is validpost. I suppose I thought wicked was good player b/c of the air he put off. He seemed to act like he knew what he was doing. Asking good questions, making good points.

But I read his posts again, and I spy a contradiction.

Is this fucking serious? So b/c ONE townie does it, it means it's not scummy? Really Wicked? Oh god this is unbelievably bad.

Lurking/not contributing is a stupid reason to lynch a player for in general anyway. How is that opinion "unbelievably bad"?

Alright. This is my last day here, and I didn't have the time to catch up completely, but I'll switch my vote to a place where it serves a good purpose. In this case, I like the cades votes the best, even though cruelty is one of the people voting him:

Unvote Vote:cades

When I return it should be day 3, so I will be crossing my fingers that we vote off scum.

I wish I had seen/this was pointed out earlier.

Wicked just wanted to say it wasnt his idea, and seems to be pushing a mislynch.

And I suppose we could draw a lot from the wicked lynch. (like how cades is town if he is scum).

unvote; vote wicked

[SolemnJ]

V/LA through December 26th

[SolemnJ]

@dana - Its time to take off the shackles and strech! A new morning! With luck a new beginning... if you are in to that kind of beginning *nuzzle*... if not disregard that.

Anyways, if you could of gotten ANY lynch yesterday what one would it of been?

@SJ - Same question, just without all the kinky stuff.

Aw...I liked the kinky stuff. If I could have gotten any lynch yesterday, ANY lynch, I would have been stumped. With this perspective, I feel that I'm too trusting. The only person I was remotely suspicious of is you.

If we have 4 scum we should mass claim. Hmm having seen lovers + a vig tho I'm not sure if we're looking at 4 scum at all.


I want to vote SolemnJ. I don't like him at all around deadline believing a vanilla claim for no reason etc, the wicked lynch was bad. Gonna have to go back, might look at the BW analysis even tho it's not usually v helpful to me.

We need cades etc to contribute, in all honesty he should have been lynched yesterday.

Be back w/ more later probably.

I believed the vanilla claim because I saw that dana had been subbed in, and I felt like believing her. I like to think I can figure out a person's role by the way they post, in the categories: Cop, Doc, Vanilla. I've already narrowed down the people I think are Cop. And Dana's story fit for being a vanilla.

I suppose she could be scum, but I'm still leaning towards her claim being true.

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I feel like I've been looking at everything in the wrong way, and I'll post my revisions of my list of the most scummy people here.