The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

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/confirm1

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Hey Tajo I saw you in Medieval Mafia, you were great.

Mmm,
alt?

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Im here. Seems I didnt miss much.

Rereading.

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Ill take it.

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Take Decanter

fail.

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I guess being a thief paid off.

Mmmm. Did you steal Xtoxm item?

I guess being a best boy didnt pay off.

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I guess being a thief paid off.

Mmmm. Did you steal Xtoxm item?

I guess being a best boy didnt pay off.

I think that's what happened. I got a PM describing what's in the decanter.

It's a mysterious red liquid. I can either drink it or give it to someone else to drink.

You dont know what it does then,
Xtoxm can you confirm this?

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Modowned.

Hohum, you knew you would steal Xtoxm item, right?

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These are my thoughts.

There are two possibilities in the drink:

Its bad. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is scum or not use it all.

Its good. Therefore we should give it to someone we think is town.

So, lets analyse things.

I dont think its effect would be tremendous antitown or tremendous protown since it would likely prevent us from guessing if we should use future items.

Im slightly leaning to use it since KOC proabbly started this item speculation game with a item that its not detrimental to the town. That way we can feel a little more confident in using future items.

Also, Xtoxm is prob town. Agree also that Naomi feels newb scum.

Unvote Vote : Naomi.

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@Tajo:

What do you think of post #318?

I think its a reasonable argument but we should see this as gambling.

For reference, my first idea was to let the item go without using it on anyone. We avoid the randomness of the item and then concentrate on scumhunting ftw.

But then the point that prob items were considered in the balance of the game was made.

And then I started thinking. If KOC wanted us to use items (since its obvious that items are going to be a big part of this game) he would start the game with a)an item that would not be so detrimental to the town or b)an item advantageous to the town.

If we are going to use an item, then I also think that the best time to use it is today since the probs of screwing improve as the game progresses.

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Blerg, I see this as a weak debate to start the game.

Listen people, there are people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to take risks.

And there are always people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to be conservative about risks.

I could bet that at this point there are both scum and town in the "omg, dont drink it" group and both town and scum in the "yey drink it" group

Also, where did the mod say that this game would be unfair to the town?

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Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

I don't vig n0.

oh pal you have much to learn.

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I've seen many games blown by an irresponsible vig.

thats the kay.

being responsible.

vigging in n0 is a responsible thing to do.

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Im here.

Im going to be terribly busy today.

Will post tonight or tomorrow

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Sorry guys, if my V/LA doesnt get better in the following two days, I'd likely ask for a replacement.

Dont worry yet.

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Promisse to post tomorrow. I just got tired rerading another game that needed my presence

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Im here catching up all I missed in the weekend.

SOmeone can tell me some important events?

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Someone more involved in the game can make me a summary of all that its going on? I dont feel like reading another 30 pages game.

Im really going to appreciate it.

If I have to do it, then expect comments from me on the weekend.

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Im here, sorry Im neglecting this game. I did a quick skim but bad news is that I have to go out now. Ill reread tomorrow.

For now, I agree with Xtoxm and some others: Lammont is not the lynch of the day. My gut tells me that he is active townie.

Im still happy with my vote. I will post tomorrow my other suspects.

Even better, mod, deadline extension, please (amount of replacements and such)

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Im sorry about my activity in all my games. V/LA until the 2nd.

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im back

i will reread everything i missed and post tomorrow

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Im catching up as fast as I can. Ill catch up progressively.

Lamont, why Naomi claim is false?

Who has what items and why?

Mod, mass prod please.

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I like this Rockatusnky guy.

Lammont, why Pablo?

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Still catching up but my first reasoning regarding Naomi is that :

a)she is what she claims and even I have no idea of the flavor, some comments in thread tell me that Trillby is a big "protown" role. Correct me if Im wrong.

b)she is scum or third party that wants to out the real Trillby for whatever reasons (kill an important tole or win conditions or such).

Still pondering which is more likely and more importantly, still pondering if we finally decide his lynch, if today its the optymal day.

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...and I can protect Nyx? who has the shotgun + shell.

Whoah, whoah whoah!

Once the shotgun is fired it falls apart and there is no more shell.

So nobody will have either going into N2.

I don't mind being protected for lets say it blows up in my face without killing anyone. I don't like you being so against me being protected.

Naomi seriously ? A cop not doing his duty ? There is no explanation possible for this blasphemy.

Vote:Naomi

Err, IIRC, she claimed one shot cop. What do you mean with his duty?

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We are delaying this day unncessarily when some havent even posted.

Mod, please prod: Pyro, ShadowKnightr, hoihum, nuevavuda, alabaska, xtoxm,

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I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. (Blame Death Note mafia)

I propose something. We have already some decent suspects. What about if we concentrate discussion in these suspects and finally decide a vote and start railing discussion/reactions and such. Really, there are big odds of finding scum in the people not voting at this stage of the game.

Naomi_Saotome: 3 (Lamont_Cranston, Pyromaniac, zwetschenwasser)

Setael: 2 (Amished, Pablo Molinero)

Lamont_Cranston: 2 (Naomi_Saotome, Rockatansky)


Ill comment on these three when I have more time. Prob tomorrow. Just thought I would let you know my proposition.

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I need catching up. As far as I can see you all missed my proposition.

What is the case on Sironi? I remember seeing some protown behavior from him in a skim I made. But if I missed something, please point me to it.

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Meh, Ok. I like some of his last post. Call it gut.

This game also needs more competing wagons.

Vote : Pablo.

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I thought it was obvious that my vote was a vig vote.

Depending of the results of the vig I will decide in my lynch vote.

I have no idea why some are voting for vig and for lynch at the same time.

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Pop

He is usually a highly active player.
My main memory of him is making posts to the effect of "I'll contribute later". Check his isolation posts 13 to 21.
Other than his contribution to the Naomi wagon, i'm not seeing much to make me think he's town.
I've noticed he's been scum a lot recently. LAL Mafia, and an ongoing where he's dead. I thought there was another game where I saw him as scum, though a quick search revealed nothing. Meh.
Despite the lurking and future contribution promise posts, I have seen him sign for a lot of new games recently. For example:
This
This...
This one too
Here's another
And another


Hypothesis: Pop is sick of being scum, and is scum here, hence the behavior.

Unvig, Vig Pop

First of all in which ongoing game I am dead scum?

Your hypothesis is wrong because your premises are wrong. How can I be sick of being scum when the only game Ive been scum recently is LAL mafia and even there I was pretty active?

Bleh, I just dont find the motivation to be in this game. To be quite honest, its really boring and its one of my least favorites right now. Its probably the amount of people I dont know.

Lets see if Elmo can bring me back. OMG HAI Elmo.

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What is your last point?

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Bleh, I just dont find the motivation to be in this game. To be quite honest, its really boring and its one of my least favorites right now. Its probably the amount of people I dont know.

OOOO, this

pisses me off

...

The Mod has worked hard on this game and its one of the most exciting I've seen

and its only just getting started

.

Would you care to re-phrase that because I think you are scum pretending to be bored here...

I think the amount of lurkers and replacements are going to prove you wrong...

....but I like you, Lammont and you are right. If this game looks boring its not the Mod's fault. Its probably mine and from others.

Relax, I will participate more as the game progresses.

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That you've been signing for other games.

And that makes me scum how?

If Im bored with some games I think the natural reaction is to look for another sources of fun, isnt it?

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Im sick and for that reason V/LA until tomorrow.

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I've never thought of Pyro as a lurker.

He's probably town.

you know, you think a lot of people are prob town, Xtoxm.

Besides me, and I doubt your case has still merit, who do you think is scum?

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Xtoxm and Lammont.

If you wish I cant ask a replacement.

Simple as that.

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Fuck it.

Request replacement.

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And if somebody bothers about the reason then Ill tell you that I dont have the time to reread properly a 60 page game. Its funny how Xtoxm concentrates on me when there are a lot of people not even posting. At least, Ive expressed my thoughts on some things.

Ive said why I was acting like that (see previous posts for lack of motivation and what not). Xtoxm just decided to not give a fuck about it and when I asked who he thought he was scum besides me he gathered a bunch of posts that are null tells and decided that I was scum for not being interested in the game. WTF?

He is way better than that.

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For the record I had a terrible day when I asked replacement. I acted like an ass and I felt bad. I reevaluated things and PMed KOC about me wanting to get back into the game. He, and I respect his decision, decided that I wouldnt go back into the game.

KOC, I respect your decision and once again I apologize to you and all the people in this game for a bad decision I made in a bad moment. You are in all your right, (you are the mod), to decide my fate here. I admit I was being a little idiot especially in this game. You've put enough effort in this game and this is more important than me crying about me not feeling motivated about it.

Hope you dont delete this, KOC. As I said to you, I dont like to have problems with anyone and Im not a bad person in RL.

Sorry about this and good luck.

Love

Tajo.

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I shouldnt have removed this from my watched topics.

Thx KOC.

Comments when I get out of my office.

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Odds are we have one scum here so Ill comment in each of them first before rereading the whole game.

Setael-7 (Lamont, Pyro, Amished, Sironi, Devastation, Zwet, Dramonic)
Devastation-4 (Stepho, Rock, Elmo, Naomi)
Zwet-3 (Nyx, Pablo, Xtoxm)
Lamont-1 (Setael)
Pablo-1 (Tajo)


Setael is replacing Mallkon who never posted in thread. Setael was replaced in page 32. Lets analyse his first post (iso 1):

Finished the thread. I think Lamont is town.

I like that his first conclusion is that Lamont is prob town.

Devestation is my #1 scum candidate, with Stephoscope #2. Pretty sure they're scum buddies.

His posterior case against dev is pretty good. Some debatable things that could get into the null category but still i feel a protown motivation.

Seems to me that Devestation never thought lamont was scum. He knows he's town and therefore knows he's telling the truth about the shell. My guess is he unvoted to get off a townie wagon in order to avoid future suspicion.

His steph case is less impressive...

As for Stephoscope, he's playing with the kind of self-awareness usually seen only in scum. He's very careful of what he says

...but still the dev-steph link he provides shows scumhunting efforts and doesnt feel forced.

Really suspicious that Steph never confronted devestation, considering her reaction to lamont's statement about not wanting to drink it.

iso 3

Though I still think Devestation is scum, it appears he will have to wait for another day.

unvote, vote: Stephoscope

The context is the deadline hitting and Steph receiving a bunch of votes to avoid no lynch.

iso 4

So then Naomi says to Amished "So you're saying you expected a cop like role as well?" and then POOF! magically she has a cop like role as well and says she's Bulletproof/1-shot cop.

Valid observation. Feels very indecisive about Naomi claim that is somehow acceptable (his indecisve attitude not the claim).

iso 5 is a big analysis of Naomi's claim, some questions about his newbness. Overall a protown post since scum usually push the "claim sucks" card instead of thinking newbie mistake.

Amished, do you have any other info/insights about the trilby clone? Any chance naomi is that clone?

There is a trilby clone?

As bad as Naomi's claim was, there is a chance it was due to her being a newbie rather than being scum. I am still undecided about her. She certainly needs to be posting more.

Townie post.

I think Devestation and naomi are both scum. Happy to see either of them die today.

Mmm, why the change?

Everyone please go to p. 47 and read Post 1174, especially the last paragraph where he explains why the scum "don't have a roleblocker".

I do want to point out that since hohum's life was extended for a day (and I lived), they don't have a roleblocker (either faction/player in the case of an SK). I will be safe and be able to prevent the reality shift when that happens as I'll use one of my protections on myself for sure until that time just help out the most.

Please explain how does this prove scum dont have a roleblocker. I dont get it.

I do find his claim suspicious, but I certainly do not think he should be killed. I would not vote him or vote to vig him today, and I would be suspicious of anyone who did. I do, however, think his claim is overpowered if there is no scum roleblocker which HE SAID. Not me.

I dont like this post. This was the original quote:

Also, has anyone ever heard of a dr. that protects themself as well as a multitude of other people? Especially without a scum roleblocker? How is that balanced?

You seem to be very sure of the fact that scum dont have a roleblocker. What made you agree with Amished?

Any townies on my vig wagon please reread today's posts. You either haven't been reading carefully or you're misunderstanding something.

This is a slightly frustrated townie post.

After this there is more defense, some soft omguses and an overall good response to the pressure. The roleblocking thing feels off but there are some gutty points that make me think that Set is prob more likely town than scum.

Setael, who do you suspect right now?

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Here is devastation.

iso 2 specially and some others have a slightly townie relaxed vibe.

posterior isos denote a short posting active lurking style.

iso 13 is his first more than one line post. His thought of the liquid leans more to the detrimental side than to the beneficial one.

his first fos of the game is for naomi. his first vote is in iso25. Again naomi. The reason is meh.

You've missed the point, the point being that its scummy AND stupid to use something if you don't know what it does.

Anyone who uses or suggests the use of any items on anyone, regardless of their scumminess or method of selection, is making themselves look scummy in mye eyes.

why?
more posterios posts tell me that dev is pretty conservative about the use of items. Like he knows the decanter will be harmful.

why can't you people think with your heads instead of with your statistics...

slightly townie here.

I don't see us making a lynch at this time without a major re-alignment, but I am pretty sure that either Stephoscope or Naomi are scum, and within 24 hours I will have made my decision as to which one to vote for.

Posterior reading tells me you didnt make your final decision like never.

In case its another 3rd person to claim gets the gun thingy, Take Shotgun
I wouldn't take it if I wasn't sure what it did, but a shotgun is pretty damn obvious.
And I think Lamont has pretty well nailed Naomi to the floor. I won't vote until she posts to defend herself though.

dev loses all his conservadurism regarding items. Supports Lammont against Naomi.

The reason why I didnt lay a vote on either day 1 was because I was unable to re-read the game.

I think you are lying. You had two choices (steph and naomi) at that time.

Setael: Why say I should be vigged without placing a vig-vote thingy? It's not particularly suspicious to me, but why anyway?

forced attack.

FoS: Setael

You dodged the question with a whole load of questions of your own. This will turn into a vote if you don't answer it next post.
I'm asking because I'm interested. I'm pointing back at it because I'm still interested and now slightly irritated that I've been outright ignored, and I find it illogical to say that "so and so should be vigged" but you don't leave an official statement as such.

hate this attack. it seems to say that because setael didnt have an official statement it means all his attacks are wrong. wtf?

more oneliners, lazy behavior, active lurking.

Conclusion : not impressed by dev's performance this game that resumes in vague oneliners. Not liking some of his forced attacks against setael. failed to vote yesterday even when he said he would choose between steph and naomi. I dont disagree witgh his vig/lynch.

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Now zwet.

Zwet replaced UROE in page 32. UROE failed to provide any content even though he read some pages of the game.

iso 1,2,3 are likely zwettown.

iso 4. sironigus suspicions.

My conclusion is largely meta-based. Siro has a pattern of nervous inconsistency and silly avoidable mistakes as scum. Also note that he sucked up to town with his fake votecount "assistance". He's trying too hard to make a good impression.

zwet, you thought in me in LAL mafia when you made this case? what inconsistency and mistakes did he do in this game?

iso 11 is Naomi L-1. Me thinks zwetscum would be very paranoid to put someone at L-1. He unvotes after the trilby claim.

He votes Steph to avoid no lynch.

Thinks both claims are fake. Pushes hard for Naomi. I can buy his hate of the inconsistencies in Naomi claim.

Did you read her first post of day two? It's the most damning thing ever written on the face of the earth.

YOU SAID HOHUM AGAIN!!!!

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

His Siro hate is meh. Dont like it.

That you've been signing for other games.

Interesting way to twist tajo's nulltell...

this is a very valid observation.

Some defense of Lammont and weak attack against Setael.

Conclusion: zwet so far has been normal zwet. I dont get that paranoid and stressed vibe I got when we were scum in LAL. Has some townie motivation in their posts but also some of his cases against his suspects are weak. Overall, a null zwet with a gutty townie read.

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Sorry, I have to leave for now.

Will update my analysys later this night.

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I am about ready to lynch tajo after his read of me, for blatant lying in his conclusion.

Conclusion: zwet so far has been normal zwet. I dont get that paranoid and stressed vibe I got when we were scum in LAL. Has some townie motivation in their posts but also some of his cases against his suspects are weak. Overall, a null zwet with a gutty townie read.

He says that he has a gut town read on me because of my behavior in LAL mafia, when in fact my extreme "paranoid and stressed vibe" in that game was fabricated as a ploy to make tajo look town by bussing me, which was discussed and agreed upon in the quicktopic. Therefore, tajo is lying about me (especially since he has much more meta of me than just in LAL) for who knows what reason to make me look more town than I already am.

Unvote; Vote: populartajo

Good thing I refreshed before leaving.

I dont remember we planning in the quicktopic the idiotic stressed and paranoid play that rolf caught and started your wagon that includes you saying my name instead of saying elvis. You are lying or misunderstanding here.

ironically enough, this makes me even more sure of the townie gut read I have from him.

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Heck yes we planned that paranoid play. I also said your name on purpose.

When the hell did we plan that paranoid play? When the hell did I tell you to say my name on purpose?

That was a pressured scum mistake, zwet. You can admit it now.

Do you want me to link the qt to see how wrong you are?

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If the scum have a RB why not just block the claimed doc and kill him?

This is very interesting. I would like to hear Amished's response to this and get some quick discussion on this...

This relates directly to the vig-kill. I need talk about this nao! (please? )

Why would scum need to block and kill the same person?

Why not just kill it?

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He is self-protecting Doc. Does it makes sense that scum would RB and kill the self-protecting Doc?

Bleh, i forgot he could selfprotect.

anyways, i dont understand where you are going with this. what are you trying to prove here?

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Setael is not an option for me.

Vig vote : Devastation.

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tajo, go ahead and show the qt, because my antics were intentionally meant to get me lynched, and you even proposed the idea of me being insanely scummy early on in the game.

/facepalm

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/NQPvq7JWX4fi

We NEVER planned that you would be lynched D1. I never told you to be insanely scummy EARLY. You made a pressured scum stupid mistake, rolf caught you, got some support and in THAT moment we planned you being scummy to bring chaos. Not before.

My basic premise is that you are very easy to catch if you are scum. A relaxed zwet is a very likely zwetown.

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Hi

(Sorry Tajo... This will likely be your third game in which you are stuck with me >.< I''ll try to behave during my read and analysis)

Hi Zazie.

Its always nice to see you around and comment.

If you are town obv obv.

<3

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Everybody voting Setael, did you read my analysis of him? What do you think of it? Do you still think he deserves to die?

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Her point was very clear in that she was saying there has to be no Mafia RB otherwise Amished would be dead today.

I just need verification that her point is valid that if the Mafi had a RB they could of RB'ed and killed Amished last night...

I just understood that if Amished is indeed a selfprotecting doc, the Mafia for balance reasons are likely to have a roleblocker.

The deciding factor is that we dont know why scum killed who. If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him. So there is no a valid reason to suspect Amished because he is alive today.

I think that is what you were wondering?

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If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.

Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?

Yes, its a reasonable thing to do. But as I said, for whatever reasons that include principally wifom, scum dont have obligatorily to kill him.

Basically, an attack against Amished because he is alive today is not valid.

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If Amished is doc, I dont think its extremely obligatory for scum to kill him.

Please explain this.

My question goes only to game mechanics. Is it at least reasonable to assume that Mafia can both RB & kill Amished?

If scum have a roleblocker, it''s allowed to roleblock and kill the same player on one night, if that''s what you are asking.

Oh, game mechanincs. I think ^ is the answer you are looking for.

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This steph counterwagon is kinda unexpected and I dont know why but it feels off, forced. First, dev is a very nice wagon and second because its too late to suspect steph when all the information against him was always in the thread.

zazie, xtoxm and pyro. Did you really expect steph to be vigged before Dev?

Im keeping my dev vote, btw. I dont see any merit in derailing a nice wagon so near to deadline. His selfvote is null and Im leaning to not believe it since I dont see dev who is so conservative to selfvote as town.

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Me thinks its time to evaluate the deadline. Not like its a fixed one, it is?

Someone whats the case on Steph? Ill skim him and analyse him.

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I want to extend deadline for tomorrow. One day less for our lynch deadline is not going to make the difference.

I know there has to be vital information in this wagon transference.

And I do really want to make that steph reread.

Vote : vig deadline extension.

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I want to extend deadline for tomorrow. One day less for our lynch deadline is not going to make the difference.

I know there has to be vital information in this wagon transference.

And I do really want to make that steph reread.

Vote : vig deadline extension.

Well, if there will be one, can we extend it till sunday? I don''t know how long I can be online tomorrow >.<

Sure. I wont have the time to properly read steph until this night.

Basically I want reasons for this wagon change and why it was done as soon as you brought the Steph subject to the table. Like I said it feels forced and my conspiracy sensors are tingling like crazy. Regardless of Steph alignment, it was pretty unexpected so there must be something there.

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Steph was Queen Elizabeth II who never posted in the thread.

Ive played some games with Steph before. He once tricked me very well when he was scum. In LAL he was town and I tricked him as well.

hohum, understanding that no one here knows what effect the mysterious liquid is going to have, would you be willing to conduct a vote and then force the drink onto whomever's voted for?

This is a slightly protown proposition.

I say give it to Lamont. He's been posting a lot and seems to want to control the game, so it'll be good to throw a wrench into things to try and determine if he's town or if he has scumbuddies.

This last quote feels off. It seems to imply that Lammont posting a lot and wanting to control the game is a bad thing.

For the record, I personally am not even going to guess if the drink is good or bad. Who knows? I am more interested in the overall goal of lynching intelligently.

I like this stance.

iso 4-6 are a really interesting Lammont hate. This posterior explanation is weak. How the drink could have facilitated to know whether Lammont was town or scum?. My paranoid senses make me think of a steph that knew what the drink did.

Because, given his playstyle, I think it will be helpful to know whether he's town or scum, and the drink may facilitate that, or perhaps facilitate other scumhunting opportunities.

Conversely, I think not wanting anyone to drink the drink is anti-town

Not at all.

Sure, why not. I vote for Lamont. To restate: I believe using it on a player like him is a good idea because it will hopefully make it obvious whether or not he's town aligned, letting us use his enthusiasm for good or letting us get rid of him if he's scum, and make overall scumhunting easier as well.

More of this defense. I dont like it. This Lammont-Steph relation feels kinda forced.

iso 25 through iso 30 are blatant active lurking.

iso 33 is again more fixation with Lammont. The reason : the devil smiley. WTF? Yes, this relation is forced, like Steph really wants Lammont to be lynched.

For the record, the small paper box I picked up doesn't seem to be doing anything

Why did you pick the word "seem"? Can you tell us what did the mod pmed you when he gave you the small paper box?

I was really just kidding about the box. I didn't expect it to be a "real" item, just figured it was worth a try.

Why did you think it was okay to lead people on that you had the box?

I was trying to make a joke. I'm sorry if it failed miserably.

Oh so it was a joke. Bad joke. And scummy.

His interchange with Replacement and Setael (iso 48-49 / iso 60 respectively) is kinda decent. I like the tone of his defense.

iso 61 is once again the push of his ridiculous devil smiley argument.

So we're supposed to take Lamont's word on things now that he suddenly claims he's receiving mod PMs and putting "AARGGH" at the end of every post...when he just so happens to be the leading lynch candidate approaching deadline?

more lammont hate. At this point he is so tunneled on him its not even funny. I dont have any ideas what does he think of other players.

I will support the Naomi wagon because of her misrepresentations of me in 938 and 942, her last two posts...just remember the above when Lamont stays alive because of this play.
Unvote
Vote: Naomi_Saotome

Finally. His reasons are meh but deadline may have influenced him.

iso 69 and posterior "Naomi is lying" posts dont feel forced. Shows efforts of scumhunting. He posteriorly believes Amished claim and tries to find a way to win the game.

iso 80 through iso 82 are blatant active lurking.

I think Devestation needs to die based on his shift in thinking. I spent a lot of time yesterday attacking Naomi's claim...and yet I was still on Devestation's list of suspects...now all of a sudden Devestation's giving credit to Lamont for outing Naomi's supposed scumminess, even though in my opinion Lamont hasn't hit Naomi nearly as hard as I was yesterday.

This suddent Dev hate tingled my scumdar. It feels off.

It's also worth noting that Devestation never responded to my original statement I posted above.

Weird you pointed this days ago.

I believe Setael and Naomi to be town, and Devestation and Lamont to be scum.

Hey what happened here? Why do you think Naomi is town now?

Why has Stepho dropped off everyone's radar after getting wagoned nicely D1?

Let's answer that later. For now, let's discuss why in the world you want to make a decision about lynching when we don't even know what the vig will reveal.

Scummy.

Were you watching when I attacked the hell out of Naomi yesterday? I know exactly what seemed off about her case, but I posts from both her and the mod since then, plus the lack of a counterclaim with Amished available to protect (I believe his claim), makes me pretty sure that Naomi's claim is legit.

This sudden change of mind doesnt feel right.

Conclusion

Meh, I really hate some parts of Steph, his active lurking and his lack of suspicions until day 1 but there are some gutty reads that make me think he is just a dense townie. I dont see scum pushing the devil thing as hard as he did and even when he got all that negative attention. Paranoid me makes me think that Alabaska was right and he could be a lyncher with Lammont as a target. His sudden change of mind regarding naomi and his sudden hate of dev are some points that need clarification. Also, if dev is scum, then steph is prob his scumparnter.

[populartajo]

Tajo, regarding your post about Stepho, you mentioned Stepho VS Lamont a lot.
So I was wondering if you could also see a connection between Stepho and Lamont.

As I pointed out Steph is really keen on lynching Lammont. Lyncher/lynchee relationship comes to mind. Pretty clear that if one of them is scum, the other its automatically cleared of being scum with the other.

[populartajo]

1906 is better than I expected. Steph really looks more dense than scummy.

Lammont, one question, why do you think Steph needs to die if he believes Naomi claim that you dont believe? Doesnt it make more sense to you that Naomi should be the one dying first?

[populartajo]

@Tajo

You actually 'commented' on Stepho's response, but you never state what you thought of Deves response. Why's that and what did you think of it?

Dev response was kinda meh, nothing too relevant to make me change my mind about me thinking he is a healthy lynch. Ive recently developed a dislike for quote battle things and what not.

Do you think Steph is more scummy than Dev? Why?

[populartajo]

Tajo, regarding your post about Stepho, you mentioned Stepho VS Lamont a lot.
So I was wondering if you could also see a connection between Stepho and Lamont.

As I pointed out Steph is really keen on lynching Lammont. Lyncher/lynchee relationship comes to mind. Pretty clear that if one of them is scum, the other its automatically cleared of being scum with the other.

What do you actually think is most likely?
A. Lamont-town, Stepho-town
B. Lamont-scum, Stepho-town
C. Lamont-town, Stepho-scum
D. Lamont-scum, Stepho-scum
E. Something else

and why?

Im going with A. I can see B and C but I dont see D. As for E, there is always some possiblity of a weird role or win condition.

[populartajo]

Bleh, basically I see it this way:

We have to vig as soon as possible. Lynch deadline is close. Pretty clear that Dev and Steph are the top candidates and that one of them has to go today.

Im leaning to go with Dev here (see previous posts for analysis) but really the important thing here is to stop stalling. Both are already very very informational lynches regardless of alignment. We also have the bonus information of competing wagons.

For example,

If Dev is town, then its more probable that there is scum in his wagon.

If Dev is scum, then its more probable that there is scum out his wagon.

The same can be said about Steph. The thing is that we need to have that information now.

[populartajo]

Cop claim.

Im leaning to believe it. It could explain why Steph suddenly changed her mind about Naomi. I also dont see scum confirming someone that was so easy to lynch. Why did you investigate her? How did you get your result?

Xtoxm, why dont you believe it?

[populartajo]

3. Innocents win if they destroy all Evil players. The Evil characters win when they have a majority, and are deemed powerful enough to over-power any and all remaining factions.

How nice of you.
If this is true, there are no powerroles.
Three scum caught already then.

What?

[populartajo]

Think the Innocent speculation should stop until we get a claimed power role in here, otherwise maybe we're yelling who's not a power role. OTOH Amised is AWOL and I think Naomi's hardly going to say the guy claiming an innocent on her is scum. Eh, this can be cleared up at a later date.

I figured Innocent was an alignment rather than a role. Not willing to base anything on assuming the opposite of that.

Rolecop is weird, but whatever, this game's power-roles are clearly weird.

unvig, vig Devestation

I was exactly thinking the same thing.

Zazie is not making any sense.

[populartajo]

take shotgun from Nyx's corpse

Might as well try

Where have you been all this time?

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote : Dev.

He might also as well give us a claim.

[populartajo]

*Goes on a sudden murderous spree and kills 6 people*

Dev, what does this comment mean?

[populartajo]

Its a joke.

Im Vanillager, as said before.

You have vanilla, villager, vanillager or what in your PM?

Also, flavor plz.

[populartajo]

Unvote

Maybe Dev isnt the best lynch today.

[populartajo]

We need a new shiny wagon. Setael is also obv town.

Vote : dramonic.

Curious to see where this goes.

[populartajo]

Dramonic, scumlist please.

[populartajo]

I'd have to say I don't see real potential scum right now. Zwet's last post is scummy, Setael gives me a bad feel and I'm not quite convinced with Amished's claim, but we can't take the risk of lynching him yet, it's a ridiculously huge gambit.

I'm amused at how our claimed cop is a thief XS

I'm not very impressed by this post...

Im not either.


2. Pyromaniac - Thief
3. dramonic - TV anchorman
4. populartajo - Best Boy
5. Lamont_Cranston - Make-up Artiste
6. Sironigous - Bodyguard to TV Anchor
7. Stephoscope - Thief
8. Devestation - Cameraman
9. zwetschenwasser - Sound Engineer
10. Elmo - Thief
11. Rockatansky - Groundskeeper
12. Amished - Wardrobe Manager
13. Setael - Schoolboy
14. ZazieR - Gaffer
15. Xtoxm - Policeman
17. Pablo Molinero - Policeman
18. Naomi_Saotome - Make-up Artiste

Can you post what you think on all these players? A short opinion including prob alignment would work.

[populartajo]

So lets see how this went:

For the love of God...
I am Janine. I am an investigative reporter, and am Innocent.

I can check one player each night, and learn his or her role and alignment.

I investigated Naomi last night. Her roleclaim was legitimate. She is Trilby.
Please protect me tonight.

So far good.

Paraphrasing the rest of my flavor: I am knowledgeable about the true activities of "the Optimology organization". I wish to find anyone who would do harm to me "and fellow Innocents".

At this point I thought that Steph claim was legit. I hated the "fellow Innocents" but Optimology organization and Janine seem difficult to fake for counterclaiming reasons.

I am not going to do that because

my PM does not say "The name is THIS and the role is THAT and the alignment is THAT"

. I have already mentioned, carefully and in different places, all the relevant information in my PM...and if the mod was at all consistent, Naomi will be able to verify it.

Which directly contradicts the first post.

I am not trying to be confusing. Naomi's role is either "Trilby" or "Infamous Gentleman Thief." I learned nothing else about her that could be considered a "role". I am quite sure she can verify that my posts reflect what's in her PM.

My PM specifically contains the words "and fellow Innocents", and indicates quite clearly that I am pro-town.

Which further smells like shit because you first said "I am Innocent" which we know now that is a vanillager claim. You probably are what you claimed but failed in faking the "Innocent" part, information accessible to everyone in the OP.

Also, what the Mod said.

The words "Anti-Spirit" are also in my PM.

Last attempt to bring something credible?

Really, whats wrong with so many people here. Specially Elmo. I have no idea why this wagon is being held so hard.

Unvote Vote : Steph.

[populartajo]

Steph, please exlplain this concisely:

The Mod said that Innocent means Vanillager.

Your PM says you are innocent.

How can you be a cop and a Vanillager at the same time?

[populartajo]

Sorry, I had a very busy and alcoholic weekend.

Ill post at night..

[populartajo]

Sigh.

People really, Steph claim is already too stinky to even consider the probs of being legit. Yeah, mod could be fucking with us or with him, or he claimed poorly or for some bizarre reason, he could be telling the truth and Im getting things wrong, but the proabilities of this happening are extremely low compared to the probabilities of he being scum fakeclaiming, specially when we have a deadline is in two days and we really cant afford another no lynch. specially a lynch full of information like his.

[populartajo]

@Stepho

If you thought you were Innocent alligned and you received a result that doesn''t state Innocent regarding your investigation according to you. Then how come you didn''t think that you two were different alligned?

It is very clear from my PM that I am a pro-town role.

I was specifically told that Naomi (Trilby) is pro-town and anti-Spirit. (Please note that I was the very first in this game to use the term anti-Spirit; if that doesn't mean anything to you, it certainly does to some others here.)

What about if you are an anti-Spirit?

Steph, do you at least admit that your claim doesnt feel legit and that your lynch is more than justified?

[populartajo]

Im catchin up tonight. Had a very busy weekend.

[populartajo]

Xtoxm flipping SK is something I didnt expect. Good job there.

Analysis of the previous nks tell us that we had 2 killing groups. Now with Xtoxm gone we are prob going to have just 1 NK. But there is a missing nk yesterday. Xtoxm one. With the flavor of the kills now we know who killed who. Will evaluate the targets since its possible scum had a reason to kill them.

Updated scumlist

Prob Town
elmo
Zazi
dev

Neutral
amished
naomi
setael
siro
pablo

Prob scum
steph
zwet
lammont
dramonic
rock
pyro

Vote : rock.

Go, go bandwagon.

[populartajo]

Nah. I would have voted you in that scenario.

Pyro, who do you think is scum?

[populartajo]

Who took the doll?

[populartajo]

As usual, I had a very busy and alcoholic weekend. Ill post as soon as I get out of my office. Tonight.

[populartajo]

Err. What is the point of this?

Do you think someone will admit havin the doll?

[populartajo]

Wait. Maybe this does have a point.

I dont have it.

[populartajo]

Unvote Vote : Setael.

1. An item alone shouldnt be that important for towns victory. Specially when its too early in the game.

2. If we assume Setael is town and is telling the truth, what would have happened if this item had been claimed by scum? Yes, town would only fight for a draw. Makes sense? No.

More likely is that Setael lied about what it did and thats why he doesnt want to transfer it and came up in the meanwhile with a fakeclaim that could give him his ticket to endgame.

Not buying it.

[populartajo]

Also... Tajo in your 74th post you said I was obv town. Then in your post you said I wouldn't give up the matches, when I did try to. Can you explain?

Can you quote them?

I dont remember doing anything like this.

[populartajo]

I'm waiting to hear back from the mod. It wouldn't be an issue of them being dropped, but rather someone taking them from my corpse. I think it's a definite possibility and would appreciate not being hammered until I get an answer. If someone can take them once I'm dead it's not nearly as big of a deal if I die.

If this is the case though, I don't understand why I would be til that my task is to keep mysel alive until endgame. I also don't understand why I wasn't told that until I asked for clarification. If it's a matte of the town winning or not, you'd think he'd have mentioned it initially.

I'm not saying any of it makes that much sense. How am I supposed to make these great, logical arguments to save myself when I don't think it's reasonable any more than anyone else does. The smartest thing would be to investigate me tonight. Have we been playing smart? No. (Day 1 and Day 2 no lynch... Impressive.) Do I think I can convince this town (and the scum who are thrilled
to support this wagon) not to lynch me when reason and mafia custom is against me? Nope.

In case someone quick hammers I think zazier and dramonic are scum and possibly Tajo. I gave you a post # Tajo (you in iso). You said I was obv town and didn't say why, though I assumed it was because I was trying to get people to stop claiming Innocent.

You got the number wrong but I found the post.

I thought you were town for your reaction to a massive amount of people claiming the vanilla PM.

Sadly, you just came up with an unbelievable item claim.

[populartajo]

V/LA until weekend. Job is being shitty these days.

[populartajo]

I really dont think Zazier is scum. I think I can understand some of her points, even if I disagree with some of them. The fact that she is going behind the three claimed power roles also leans to her being inquisitive town rather than scum trying to lynch power roles, something that its obvious a polemic idea to push.

Zazie, do you think all the three power roles are scum? If not, who and why?

[populartajo]

Look, were being mod-mind-screwed. The claims aren't going to make sense. Amished's is proven & Stepho-Naomi's are linked.

Something just occurred to me. Naomi is no longer a PR right? I mean she said she has no other powers than being non-NK right?

So if she can prove Stepho's claim that would be like awesome right?

Is there anything I'm missing here? (I don't care about all this role PM crap and obscure rule interpretation crap)

You are right about Naomi. Which is why I've been saying that in case Stepho is telling the truth, we should lynch naomi instead of Stepho after he has investigated Setael. Therefore, Naomi should be today's lynch.

I think I like this plan.

Unvote Vote : Naomi.

[populartajo]

Vote Count

Naomi_Saotome: 4 (populartajo, Lamont_Cranston, dramonic, Stephoscope)
ZazieR: 2 (Amished, Setael)
Naomi_Saotome: 1 (ZazieR)
Setael: 1 (Devestation)

Naomi has failed to pick up her prod, and will be replaced. Sironigous has failed to re-appear for 72 hours after his V/LA, and will be replaced, as he has not been on the site since the 4th.

Mod - There is only one Naomi >.< And what about Rocka?

Zazie, are you voting Naomi?

[populartajo]

Too much flavor I dont recognize.

Zazie, can you summarize everything youve said about the flavor?

[populartajo]

Kay, that means that we have a sk that was town before?

Opening the bridge is a good idea?

I have a plan about the doll but I need everyone to claim if they have or dont have the doll.

Lammont, how is that doll claiming thin going?

[populartajo]

Steph is so town.

Counterwagon go.

Vote : dramonic.

Zwet, who is scum?

[populartajo]

Okay, Im not sure if this is going to work, but I need to have a consensus on who we are going to lynch. I think that the doll can be passed to other players as the gun, the shell or the matches. Everyone but the person about to be lynched will post in thread something like (b)"give doll to 'person to be lynched'(/b). That way we'll know who has the doll and we'll lynch someone we suspect that is confirmed to have the doll.

Any flaws in my plan?

[populartajo]

As I said, Im not sure this is going to work, but we can always try.

Need a reread to decide if I support the Light hate or come with a new suspect. Dramonic last posts have improved.

Unvote.

All the light haters, why are you voting him?

[populartajo]

Oh Light is replacing Rock.

Nuff said.

Vote : Light.

[populartajo]

I dont think if a townie has the doll they should give it to LK. The reason I'm considering is the fact that it will then be distributed randomly; which means scum might get it if they don't have it already.

I am still considering the doll to be a way for the town to win just like in the first game and that the SK effects are only temporary somehow (I forget how Trilby escapes its effects).

Err, how do you know it distributes randomly?

[populartajo]

I want to be investigated. /wifom. (like this Zazie?)

In all seriousness, am I the only one that thinks that Lammont has the doll?

Lammont, why did you assume the doll worked like the matches and not like the shell?

[populartajo]

I read it as zwet asking for opinions on having another no lynch (I think the "just saying" at the end reinforces this idea) but Im prob not the best source since english is not my first language.

Anyway, in more important news, I just checked Light profile and his last post in the site is in this game, two days ago, so

mod prod him, please.

Waiting for a plausible/non plausible claim before starting the "I give ma doll" operation.

[populartajo]

Of course not, I think its a good name for the operation.

[populartajo]

Light kun refusing to claim and omgusing people that are prob town makes me even more happy with my vote.

We can deal with pyro tomorrow. That jester speculation came from nowhere.

[populartajo]

Pyro, then your first assumption should be that he is bad at the game. I think Light is suspicious but dont see idiotic levels of scumminess to be honest. Can you share what gives you this impression?

Also, using too scummy to be scum and adding jester speculation to "clear" someone suspicious is pretty scummy. Speculating about jesters gives scum the perfect reason to act scummy without worrying about it.

[populartajo]

Give doll to Light kun.

Would like to point out that Light kun IS the lynch of the day.

Nobody hammers until all the players have attempted to give him the doll.

[populartajo]

As I said, no matter what happens, even if someone else claims scum, Light kun IS the lynch of the day. His plan doesnt work and if my plan worked, then its very probable he has the doll now.

The vote without reasons and still refusing to claim is just a good way to say goodbye.

Hammertime, plz.

[populartajo]

I like the Percy catchup post except for two things that I think need clarification:

1) I didnt fuel the Light kun lynch with my doll plan. I was clear enough that the plan for the day was to give the doll to the lynch of the day, didnt matter which player. Its a fact that Rocka active lurked and I just dont find any protown motivation in Kun refusal to claim (when this could have been the only way to at least try to clear him) and in his vote, so what fueled Light lynch was this and not my plan.

2) Do you think Light kun refusal to claim is scummy? What about his plan and his vote for me?

[populartajo]

Hey Lammont, you should also check who got cleared by the town PM.

For scum, Im leaning now zwet or Pyro right now for that jester speculation from yesterday.

Lammont, why are you not going to vote for Pyro?

[populartajo]

Lammont, I just found something you might think its interesting.

This was Dev's vanilla claim. Post 2233.

The general gist of it is "your innocent, you really shouldnt be here but you are, get rid of the evil, you have a vote and your brains".

My reaction to his vanilla claim is :

Unvote

Maybe Dev isnt the best lynch today.

And yes, it should be obvious by now why I unvoted Dev, right?

Your reaction is what Id call interesting.

Unvote

Maybe Dev isnt the best lynch today.

Wait a minute... You're buying a vanillager claim??

So why didnt you buy his vanilla claim?

And why is Zazie and Siro cleared but not me, did you really check in great detail?

Also, can you point me to what exactly makes you think Pyro is prob town?

[populartajo]

Tajo its over. You, Pyro and Zwet are scum.

Scum will unvote townies so what. That doesn't clear you.

I did alot of research much later than the post you quoted of me. Of course Vanillager claims are suspect, that's obvious.

Face it all 3 of you are done.

LOLWTF, Lammont?

Point me exactly of why you think Zazie and Siro were cleared using the vanilla PM. And tell me why dodesnt your logic apply to me?

Also tell me why did you change your mind so radically when me and Amished asked for why you thought Pyro was town?

What made you change your mind? What made you think Pyro was town at first?

[populartajo]

Amished, how many protections do you have and what kind of ridiculous mindstate is it to not protect our most essential player 0_o

Are you crazy? Amished SHOULDNT claim how many protections does he have. I agree he not protecting Setael is sad but its done so we cant do anything about it.

Dram, what do you think of Lammont?

[populartajo]

Tajo's reaction to Lamont seeing logic seems scummy and I'd definitely be ready to vote for him.

What reaction?
What is logical in Lammont?

[populartajo]

I'm very uncertain about his alignment, although I'm more interested in a Zwet lynch. But we must be careful, for all we know scum might have a copy of the VT role PM.

Yeah this is a good point.

My problem with Lammont is that he is

a) clearing people based on the vanilla PM.

b) he is not even consistent with this. He thinks Zazie and Siro are town for this but he avoids my unvote at the time and he manages to get a three scumteam (zwet, pyro and me) out of nothing.

Also that 180 flip regarding Pyro is scummy as hell. I dont think Im the only one seeing this.

[populartajo]

What about if you assume he is scum that is reacting to the pressure when we found his logic was inconsistent?

Amished what about if you assume he is scum with Pyro?

This "logic" reasoning does not clear Lammont at all and even worse that doesnt even make me more suspect for poking at the holes of his logic.

[populartajo]

No. YOU show me where you referenced the town PM like the others did. I haven't seen it and NOBODY else has either.

Lammont, I already did. Check post 3617.

Out of the four of us, I am the only one that is town aligned and therefore you three ARE the scum.

Why so eager to form scumgroups? Can you explain your logic in clearing Zazie and Siro? Can you explain, now that youve reread post 3617, why the same logic isnt applied to me?

That means when confronted by a list of potential scum he is the last I would vote for (or not at all).

To get this ball rolling:

Vote Pyro

Contradiction much?

Why are you voting Pyro over zwet or me?

Vote : Lammont.

[quote="Lammont]Your crappy quote has NOTHING to do with the town role PM. The reason why you cant even put together a proper defense here is because YOU DON'T HAVE A TOWN ROLE PM[/quote]
Actually I do. Those two phrases dont even make sense together. My defense is also proper. Its YOU who should explain the inconsitencies in your play.

Lammont is throwing shit to the walls to see what sticks. Can we lynch him now?

[populartajo]

Lammont, you havent still given a valid answer to this:

Out of the four of us, I am the only one that is town aligned and therefore you three ARE the scum.

Why so eager to form scumgroups? Can you explain your logic in clearing Zazie and Siro? Can you explain, now that youve reread post 3617, why the same logic isnt applied to me?

That means when confronted by a list of potential scum he is the last I would vote for (or not at all).

To get this ball rolling:

Vote Pyro

Contradiction much?

Why are you voting Pyro over zwet or me?

Now, if you two will stop bickering, this conversation is about as useless as it is crap. we have 4 suspect. We lynch Zwet who has no defense, investigate Lamont, lynch him if he's scum, if not we lynch Pyro and investigate Tajo.

It's not rocket science <<

Well, I dont think its useless. Lammont keeps contradicting himself and using circular logic to make me look bad. But I see where you are going with this. Fair enough.

Unvote Vote: zwet.

Also, I'd like to make it clear, specifically for Tajo, unvoting someone who states the town PM doesn't make you town-confirmed. Scum knows who is town, therefore they can confirm any claim from a VT without being shown suspicious.

Yeah I never said that will make me 100% confirmed townie. I was trying to explain that Lammont is being very inconsistent here. He says that Zazier and Siro are confirmed town for this but that now I am scum having the vanilla PM.

See the bad logic?

It doesnt stop there:

How sure can we be that our list is really correct? Two people are being cleared solely because of the town role PM and now we have a third person that really, has to be scum, with the same info..

Lammont, your basic premise to reduce the pool of suspect was that Zazier and Siro were cleared because of the vanilla PM. Why cant Zazie and Siro be scum and I HAVE to be scum in this scenario?

[populartajo]

The problem here is that Tajo can't be town here based on what we know about the town role PM

Why cant I be town based on what we know about the role PM?

This is a problem because we must have 3 scum and one of them is claiming first hand knowledge of the town role PM!

/Facepalm. Maybe I know the town role PM because I AM town?

Im not rubbing my case on you. All your answers are crap. ANSWER NOW.

1. You said that Pyro gave you townie vibes and that he would be your last suspect based on process of elimination. Yet you vote him first before zwet or me. Why?

2. Why Zazier and Siro are confirmed town and I am confirmed scum based on the PM situation. What diferentiates me from them? Why I am the scum in this group? Why do you think there HAS to be scum in this group?

Lammont, no comments of the zwet vote?

[populartajo]

Tajo's claim is the weakest of the bunch though, since he approves a town PM, not produce it, if you get what I mean.

And Zaz confirmed it before he did, right?

So he could (as scum) safely say "yeah, I have that too" and unvote, knowing he's not suspicious cause someone who he KNOWS is town confirmed the PM before him.

So... Pyro, Tajo, Zwet and You.

Sounds about right?

I was the first unvoting Dev and "reacting" to his claim. If it isnt obvious by now, what he claimed is extremely similar to what I have on my PM.

I obviously didnt explain why I unvoted because I wanted to evaluate what kind of reactions Dev claim was going to produce. Zazie was good and thats why I think she is pretty much town. Lammont didnt react good at all and he was even asking why a vanilla claim made me unvote. He obviously doesnt have the same PM Dev claimed to have.

Yes his claim is the weakest but again the scary part here is the fact that he is bringing it up like he did it on purpose and he knew it.

Of course I unvoted with a purpose. Dev claimed a PM that is extremely similar to mine.

Why do you keep asuming that I am scum? Why cant you assume Im town with the same PM? Why did you react like you reacted to Dev claim?

[populartajo]

HA HA! You know what?? I think Tajo is BUSSING Zwet!!!

Facepalm.

Look I can play the same game.

HA HA! You know what?? I think Lammont is BUSSING Pyro!!!!

[populartajo]

Also this is one of the best posts of the game.

Now, if you two will stop bickering, this conversation is about as useless as it is crap. we have 4 suspect. We lynch Zwet who has no defense, investigate Lamont, lynch him if he's scum, if not we lynch Pyro and investigate Tajo.

It's not rocket science <<

Im tired to try to prove Lammont is obvscum. We have a plan and Im all in.

[populartajo]

Great, so we might now be unable to win the game and to top it off, odds are we are currently in MyLo


Also, update to the list!

dramonic

Cleared by Stepho

Stephoscope

Cleared by Naomi

Devestation

Cleared by Naomi

Amished

Cleared by Hohum/Elmo

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Sironigous
Pyromaniac
ZazieR
Populartajo

If we have 4 scum, which still sounds like a plausible amount to me for a 19 player game, we are now in MyLo

My gut says Tajo, but at this point in the game the scum can quickvote and lynch, so I'm not voting yet

Sironi cleared himself with the town PM. Zazier cleared hersel the same way.

That leaves:

Lamont_Cranston
zwetschenwasser
Pyromaniac
Populartajo

There is no way I'm voting for Pyro. That leaves

Tajo

or

Zwet

. I think we need to ISO these folks and figure out what is going on with them.

Looking at the above list, we've made no mistake. I say hang 'em all high!

Unvote, Vote Zwet

/Facepalm.

I can tell you a lot of mistakes:

First you are assuming that having the vanilla PM means town. You are using this logic to clear Zazier and Siro. However you dont use this logic to clear me. It shouldnt, I agree. But thats not the point of the discussion. Since Dev wasnt modkilled for almost quoting his PM, its probable that scum knows the vanilla PM. But either you clear ALL the players or you suspect ALL the players. Your inconsistency used to bring suspicion to me is evident.

Since your mistake is in your first assumption then all your posterior reasoning is a big load of crap. You are reaching to avoid being lynched, scum.

I should note also that you've failed to provide a valid answer of why if you thought Pyro was the less scummy of your assumed "Tajo, zwet, Pyro" scumgroup, you voted for him first.

@all: Remember to lynch Lammont.

For the record Pyro's claim is fail and he is also prob scum. I fail to understand why he didnt protect the claimed power roles and went with Lammont twice (wtf?). We've had some very protown players since day 1 and Lammont wasnt one of them. Also Zazie just brought flavor that incriminates this guy.

Finally zwet claim and such.

[populartajo]

Oh, and

Tajo

, can you wait with answering my question aimed at you till the next day?

I luckily decided to read all your posts before replying to your previous question. Kay. I dont know if you are thinking the same thing than me but guess we'll find out if we make it tomorrow.

[populartajo]

Pyro, I might be missing something but how do you hint to inspect Lammont with two protections?

[populartajo]

Work. Busy. Shit. V/LA. Tomorrow night.

[populartajo]

LOL at Lammont yelling "Tajo HAS to be a GF". Tolda ya. Caught scum.

This post by Percy is a good start.

So we have the following cleared by Stephoscope:

-dramonic
-populartajo

We have the following cleared (posthumously) by Naomi:

-Devestation

We have the following cleared from general observation:

-Amished

This leaves:

-Percy
-ZazieR
-Lamont_Cranston
-Stephoscope


So first the mod posted that this is a potential Lylo. We have 8 people alive. That means the worst scenario for us is to lynch town today, one nk and gg. We have to assume there are min 3 scum left. We are not looking for investigation shenanigans today, Im going to assume Dev is confirmed. Proven cop Steph is also prob town. Confirming so many people near lylo is a terrible play for scum. His claim is also legit (Naomi was Trillby). That means Im also going to assume dramonic is town. Finally, Amished is also prob town, (timing and nature of the claim, general behavior, gut, etc) even if he has been kinda meh lately.

So this leaves 3 people where Im pretty sure there is at least 2 scum. But who? Oh what a surprise, Lammont is here.

I have a town read on Zazie. Anxious scumhunter is a potent towntell from her. That leaves Percy. I need to reread him but overall feeling from his discussion with Lammont is that they are doing an interesting bussing charade, considering how much it took for Percy to vote Lammont and also that Lammont is prefering Zazier than "his obvscum" Percy . I need to decide on this (and in possible flaws on my assumptions) but Im going with the obvious play.

Vote : Lammont.

People voting Zazie, why exactly are you voting her? Do you realize this is potential Lylo? What do you think of Lammont?

[populartajo]

Grandpa had car accident. No access until things get better. If I take too long please replace me.

[populartajo]

Im back. Grandpa is still in the hospital but he is well.

Expect a reread from me tonight. .

[populartajo]

Sorry I was away at the weekend.

Dev, can you confirm that my PM claim was accurate?

Other than that, I'm waiting on the investigate result.

This, I think we lynch scum today.

There are only three players Steph hasnt investigated. Either he gets an innocent and we lynch one of the other two or he gets a guilty on anyone. Deal.

[populartajo]

KOC, dont mass prod, please only prod Steph.

[populartajo]

Sorry for my absence last week. Ive been terribly busy. Im posting tonight.

[populartajo]

Stheph, why exactly arent you claiming your result?

[populartajo]

What result? I dont think I find any in my reread. Correct me if Im wrong.

[populartajo]

Also, why were you trying to break Steph code?

[populartajo]

Busy times in my office. If things dont get sorted out here in the next tow days, Im sadly going to ask for a replacement. Hope not.

[populartajo]

Awesome 1-1. Im leaning to believe more Steph than Percy. Percy's last posts really sound like caught scum facing an investigation on him and I really dont see Steph playing that awesome game as scum clearing lotsa people and forcing a 1-1 with a player like Percy who seems experienced. Ill reread some tomorrow but I think I already made my mind and I think Im right about Percyscum.

Hey Dev, Amished and Zazie, who do you think is scum?

[populartajo]

Hi.

Daykill : Devestation.

Bye.

[populartajo]

Believe it or not, this is just my second win as scum. Props to Steph for being an awesome scumpartner and playing his role very good even after Zazie caught some inconsistencies. This is like the 10th time I see a town losing for assuming that cop means town. Dont do it anymore.

Can't wait for the mod notes.

Pop, how did you know that Devestation wasn't going to be protected by Amished?

I didnt. I just thought the odds of Dev being protected from a daykill were lower than the odds of being protected from a nightkill. I gave up my nightkill yesterday for a reality shift where I can daykill. Ill let KOC to give the details. I still dont understand a lot of things or flavor. But the little I knew from the flavor was amazing. Nice job there KOC.

Its 12:38 am here, so Im going to sleep now. Will keep commenting tomorrow. Good game all.

[populartajo]

One last post before I go to sleep. Ill check the mod notes later. Im wondering how this game was balanced? 2 scum against 18 players seems a little imba considering also the sk could have killed Steph.

[populartajo]

Hi Zazie, how many games are we still playing together?