Newbie 769 - Game Over
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Toledo25 Townie
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Sorry about that, but I'm busy with school and prepping for a party.Artem wrote: Toledo88 needs to post something other than addendums to my IC points. While I don't find the player suspicious right now, I would say that I haven't seen much scum-hunting from them.
Anyways, I'm a bit confused at this point in time. From what I can gather:
Feeres is suspicious due to the fact that his random vote degraded to a FoS, even though CJ acted very scummy only a page before. Then he gives little insight to his reasoning. Hero, in turn, is defending Feeres because
A pattern I'm also finding, people keep on claiming that they randomized their votes before hand, but anyone could say that even if they were targeting someone. Claims that are near impossible to support really aren't useful.I only suspect him of being newbie atm
CJMiller is really hard to understand what he's trying to say, and his votes and FoSs sum up to be OMGUSs.
Would make this longer, but I'm sorta busy.-
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I think you should do some explaining for yourself considering how close you are to being lynched.CJMiller wrote:I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.
I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.Show[b]RECORD:[/b]
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Tenchi Mafia Scum
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Town must find a balance between rushing and prolonging. Pressure from a deadline usually does not help town make a solid decision. As long as we feel we have issues/questions that we need addressed, then we shall continue this day.CJMiller wrote:I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.
I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.
Everyone though, by now, should have their own suspects.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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kikuchiyo Mafia Scum
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Hard to say. Here's how I interpret his comments thus far:Tenchi wrote:Kikuchiyo: Given that situation, would Feeres be less suspicious if he did something differently? If so, what could have he done/said?
Feeres clicks on link to thread. Looks at player list. At this point, do they notice that the thread is longer than one page? They roll their dice. Comes up CJ. Okay, now(feel free to clarify, feeres), do they read the thread, or just CJ's posts? This is unclear as they have stated this two different ways.
Due to his read he decides to FoS his random target why? He claims it is because it is his random target and he doesn't want to pile votes on. Then he states he is suspicious of his random target. His explanation is confusing to me and that is what is most suspicious.
One thing for sure. According to Feeres' story, he randomly rolled the dice first. Before reading the thread. This I find intersting, especially now that upon reread I am noticing his second post.
All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?Feeres wrote:Actually it's a different type of beginning here than I'm used to. Instead of random vote-phase, we'd just do some boring speculation about role setups/chances and possible strategy.
Tenchi: I am unsure of how Feeres could have started out not being suspicious, but it is apparent to me that this story of theirs has some serious flaws.-
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Hockeyruler Townie
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This does no help. And I honestly do not know how to proceed.CJMiller wrote:I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.
I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.
I'm looking for some help from our IC
Is it okay to vote for CJ simply because I feel he isn't being helpful? I highly doubt hes mafia. He seems more... "Extremely newbish" and yet not voting for someone because of this seems like it would make it a very easy way for the mafia to "go about business".[i][color=#8A4117]Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation[/color][/i]-
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Feeres Goon
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Mainly because I'm not used to random voting? Random votes weren't mentioned in any of the newbie guides I read before participating in the game, they just seemed to happen for no better reason than to have something to do during first part of day 1.Artem wrote:Yes. Why do you want your vote to be completely unbiased? Random voting is supposed to generate discussion. If it's completely unbiased, it tells us nothing except for the fact that you like unbiased random votes. I find this suspicious because it feels that you a) don't want town to have information and b) don't want to draw attention.
Reading from the wiki, I can see one of the newbie mistakes would be making a wrong assumption of random votes such as it's truly random. I did still use my own reasoning still so that I wouldn't do any foolish votes, especially such as lynch someone.
Well, voting for him at that point would have been more suspicious and very stupid, no? Only mistake I apparently did was stating that he came up as my dice roll target and not stating that I suspect him because what has been done before as others did.Toledo88 wrote:Feeres is suspicious due to the fact that his random vote degraded to a FoS, even though CJ acted very scummy only a page before. Then he gives little insight to his reasoning. Hero, in turn, is defending Feeres becauseI only suspect him of being newbie atm
Yes, sometimes there just are things you have to believe. If you can't form your own opinion on if it's true or not by the analysis of the results, then the claim was useless to you. I think this particular random vote problem was a bit of a debate on these forums, wiki seems to shed some light to it and also links to a relevant discussion.Toledo88 wrote:A pattern I'm also finding, people keep on claiming that they randomized their votes before hand, but anyone could say that even if they were targeting someone. Claims that are near impossible to support really aren't useful.
I read the whole thread, but I focus on the posts which are either made by CJ or point out something about CJ. Rest of the posts I mainly skimmed through.kikuchiyo wrote:Okay, now(feel free to clarify, feeres), do they read the thread, or just CJ's posts? This is unclear as they have stated this two different ways.
So I've beforehand picked a target I'd like to randomly vote for. I then notice the discussion concerning him, which is now turning in to people genuinely voting for him. I don't yet want to genuinely vote for him, so instead I just FoS him. I mention him being my random vote target in the reasoning and I don't state anything else because I think the other reasons are obvious from the context. Him being my random vote target only meant that I had looked closely at what he has been doing.kikuchiyo wrote:Due to his read he decides to FoS his random target why? He claims it is because it is his random target and he doesn't want to pile votes on. Then he states he is suspicious of his random target. His explanation is confusing to me and that is what is most suspicious.
Simple. I've checked out other games on this site.kikuchiyo wrote:All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?-
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CJMiller heGoonhe
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Hockeyruler Townie
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You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.CJMiller wrote:I'm bored.
*short-circuits the Sun*
Vote: CJMiller[i][color=#8A4117]Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation[/color][/i]-
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Tenchi Mafia Scum
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I have no issue with the "initial random voting --> checking the thread --> oh my god my random vote is L-2 --> check the thread again --> FoS for now anyway" story. Personally, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt here.
However...
I want this addressed.kikuchiyo wrote:
All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?Feeres wrote:Actually it's a different type of beginning here than I'm used to. Instead of random vote-phase, we'd just do some boring speculation about role setups/chances and possible strategy.Yes. That same Tenchi.
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Tenchi Mafia Scum
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Unvote if you still have questions unanswered.Hockeyruler wrote:
You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.CJMiller wrote:I'm bored.
*short-circuits the Sun*
Vote: CJMiller
(I'm just finishing this Feeres issue before I decide.)Yes. That same Tenchi.
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Tenchi Mafia Scum
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Hockeyruler Townie
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Feeres answered my questions for him. I'm not satisfied with the answers but I doubt it'l get better, and could have just been honest misinterpretation.Tenchi wrote:
Unvote if you still have questions unanswered.Hockeyruler wrote:
You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.CJMiller wrote:I'm bored.
*short-circuits the Sun*
Vote: CJMiller
(I'm just finishing this Feeres issue before I decide.)
I doubt CJ would answer any of my questions with anything close to what I'd need/desire. Judging by previous posts atleast.
Also, he did answer that question/issue you put down.
Feeres wrote:Simple. I've checked out other games on this site.[i][color=#8A4117]Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation[/color][/i]-
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Hero764 Goon
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I'm going to stand by my vote. It was getting very ridiculous with CJ and it wasn't helping us at all.Hero764 wrote:Shit is that the hammer? What the hell guys?
Just so you know, you voted for him before I did So maybe you should ask yourself what the hell you were doing.[i][color=#8A4117]Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation[/color][/i]-
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Hero764 Goon
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Lol, I would've unvoted when I saw you put him at L-1, Tenchi got there too fast. You said it yourself he probably wasn't mafia, and I can't see us getting any info now. That was more directed at Tenchi though I guess. We aren't even a week into the game and he goes and does that. Hell, two of the players have barely even posted yet. I was still waiting to see kuch's response to Feeres and how Toledo/Slaine analyzed the players and such. It was just far too early imo.Show[b]RECORD:[/b]
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CJMiller heGoonhe
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kikuchiyo Mafia Scum
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I hope you guys are right. In response to Feeres, all I can say is that his response is believable. It does not, however, alleviate my suspicions. His initial post just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't buy the whole roll, read timing. He stated that he rolled before he read so that his random vote was unbiased. How would reading the thread bias the roll of a die?
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Final Day 1 Vote Count
Slaine Hayes - 1 (Artem)
CJMiller - 5 (Slaine Hayes, Hero764, Toledo88, Hockeyruler, Tenchi)
Feeres - 2 (kikuchiyo, CJMiller)
Not Voting - 1 (Feeres)
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Vel-Rahn Koon Virginia's Trump
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The Council comes to a decision after only a few hours of deliberation, and the rest of the town carts CJ off to the gallows. After CJ's body stops kicking, he is searched for any sign of Mafia affiliation.
Maybe you should have taken some more time...
CJMiller,Townie, lynched Day 1
Night has begun. Those of you with night actions must submit your choices before Monday, April 13th.The Newbie Queue ALWAYS needs ICs and Mods!
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