Newbie 769 - Game Over

[CJMiller]

Unvote

(for the last time)

Vote Feeres

because I don't believe his FoSing me was random

[Tenchi]

Feeres admitted that his FOS on you was not random. He claims that here.

[Toledo25]

Toledo88 needs to post something other than addendums to my IC points. While I don't find the player suspicious right now, I would say that I haven't seen much scum-hunting from them.

Sorry about that, but I'm busy with school and prepping for a party.


Anyways, I'm a bit confused at this point in time. From what I can gather:

Feeres is suspicious due to the fact that his random vote degraded to a FoS, even though CJ acted very scummy only a page before. Then he gives little insight to his reasoning. Hero, in turn, is defending Feeres because

I only suspect him of being newbie atm

A pattern I'm also finding, people keep on claiming that they randomized their votes before hand, but anyone could say that even if they were targeting someone. Claims that are near impossible to support really aren't useful.

CJMiller is really hard to understand what he's trying to say, and his votes and FoSs sum up to be OMGUSs.

Would make this longer, but I'm sorta busy.

[Hero764]

CJMiller is being way too confusing, I can't tell if he's being obvious scum or just a really inexperienced newbie.

I think I'm going to reread through the thread.

[CJMiller]

I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.

I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.

[Hero764]

I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.

I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.

I think you should do some explaining for yourself considering how close you are to being lynched.

[Tenchi]

I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.

I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.

Town must find a balance between rushing and prolonging. Pressure from a deadline usually does not help town make a solid decision. As long as we feel we have issues/questions that we need addressed, then we shall continue this day.

Everyone though, by now, should have their own suspects.

[kikuchiyo]

Kikuchiyo: Given that situation, would Feeres be less suspicious if he did something differently? If so, what could have he done/said?

Hard to say. Here's how I interpret his comments thus far:

Feeres clicks on link to thread. Looks at player list. At this point, do they notice that the thread is longer than one page? They roll their dice. Comes up CJ. Okay, now(feel free to clarify, feeres), do they read the thread, or just CJ's posts? This is unclear as they have stated this two different ways.

Due to his read he decides to FoS his random target why? He claims it is because it is his random target and he doesn't want to pile votes on. Then he states he is suspicious of his random target. His explanation is confusing to me and that is what is most suspicious.

One thing for sure. According to Feeres' story, he randomly rolled the dice first. Before reading the thread. This I find intersting, especially now that upon reread I am noticing his second post.

Actually it's a different type of beginning here than I'm used to. Instead of random vote-phase, we'd just do some boring speculation about role setups/chances and possible strategy.

All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?

Tenchi: I am unsure of how Feeres could have started out not being suspicious, but it is apparent to me that this story of theirs has some serious flaws.

[Hockeyruler]

I think a day should be only one week instead of 3.

I also think anyone who hasn't voted yet should vote now.

This does no help. And I honestly do not know how to proceed.

I'm looking for some help from our IC

Is it okay to vote for CJ simply because I feel he isn't being helpful? I highly doubt hes mafia. He seems more... "Extremely newbish" and yet not voting for someone because of this seems like it would make it a very easy way for the mafia to "go about business".

[Feeres]

Yes. Why do you want your vote to be completely unbiased? Random voting is supposed to generate discussion. If it's completely unbiased, it tells us nothing except for the fact that you like unbiased random votes. I find this suspicious because it feels that you a) don't want town to have information and b) don't want to draw attention.

Mainly because I'm not used to random voting? Random votes weren't mentioned in any of the newbie guides I read before participating in the game, they just seemed to happen for no better reason than to have something to do during first part of day 1.

Reading from the wiki, I can see one of the newbie mistakes would be making a wrong assumption of random votes such as it's truly random. I did still use my own reasoning still so that I wouldn't do any foolish votes, especially such as lynch someone.

Feeres is suspicious due to the fact that his random vote degraded to a FoS, even though CJ acted very scummy only a page before. Then he gives little insight to his reasoning. Hero, in turn, is defending Feeres because

I only suspect him of being newbie atm

Well, voting for him at that point would have been more suspicious and very stupid, no? Only mistake I apparently did was stating that he came up as my dice roll target and not stating that I suspect him because what has been done before as others did.

A pattern I'm also finding, people keep on claiming that they randomized their votes before hand, but anyone could say that even if they were targeting someone. Claims that are near impossible to support really aren't useful.

Yes, sometimes there just are things you have to believe. If you can't form your own opinion on if it's true or not by the analysis of the results, then the claim was useless to you. I think this particular random vote problem was a bit of a debate on these forums, wiki seems to shed some light to it and also links to a relevant discussion.

Okay, now(feel free to clarify, feeres), do they read the thread, or just CJ's posts? This is unclear as they have stated this two different ways.

I read the whole thread, but I focus on the posts which are either made by CJ or point out something about CJ. Rest of the posts I mainly skimmed through.

Due to his read he decides to FoS his random target why? He claims it is because it is his random target and he doesn't want to pile votes on. Then he states he is suspicious of his random target. His explanation is confusing to me and that is what is most suspicious.

So I've beforehand picked a target I'd like to randomly vote for. I then notice the discussion concerning him, which is now turning in to people genuinely voting for him. I don't yet want to genuinely vote for him, so instead I just FoS him. I mention him being my random vote target in the reasoning and I don't state anything else because I think the other reasons are obvious from the context. Him being my random vote target only meant that I had looked closely at what he has been doing.

All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?

Simple. I've checked out other games on this site.

[CJMiller]

I'm bored.

*short-circuits the Sun*

[Hockeyruler]

I'm bored.

*short-circuits the Sun*

You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.

Vote: CJMiller

[Tenchi]

I have no issue with the "initial random voting --> checking the thread --> oh my god my random vote is L-2 --> check the thread again --> FoS for now anyway" story. Personally, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt here.

However...

Actually it's a different type of beginning here than I'm used to. Instead of random vote-phase, we'd just do some boring speculation about role setups/chances and possible strategy.

All 12 of Feeres posts on this website are in this game. How was he even aware that he was supposed to be random voting had he not read the thread first, considering that on the other site he plays, random voting is not how they start their games?

I want this addressed.

[Tenchi]

I'm bored.

*short-circuits the Sun*

You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.

Vote: CJMiller

Unvote if you still have questions unanswered.

(I'm just finishing this Feeres issue before I decide.)

[Tenchi]

My 137 has been addressed by 134. Nevermind.

[Hockeyruler]

I'm bored.

*short-circuits the Sun*

You know what, I'd still like an answer from the IC to my question. But this is just ridiculous.

Vote: CJMiller

Unvote if you still have questions unanswered.

(I'm just finishing this Feeres issue before I decide.)

Feeres answered my questions for him. I'm not satisfied with the answers but I doubt it'l get better, and could have just been honest misinterpretation.

I doubt CJ would answer any of my questions with anything close to what I'd need/desire. Judging by previous posts atleast.

Also, he did answer that question/issue you put down.

Simple. I've checked out other games on this site.

[Tenchi]

Simulpost.

Let's do this.

Vote: CJMiller

[Hero764]

Shit is that the hammer? What the hell guys?

[Hockeyruler]

Shit is that the hammer? What the hell guys?

I'm going to stand by my vote. It was getting very ridiculous with CJ and it wasn't helping us at all.

Just so you know, you voted for him before I did So maybe you should ask yourself what the hell you were doing.

[Hero764]

Lol, I would've unvoted when I saw you put him at L-1, Tenchi got there too fast. You said it yourself he probably wasn't mafia, and I can't see us getting any info now. That was more directed at Tenchi though I guess. We aren't even a week into the game and he goes and does that. Hell, two of the players have barely even posted yet. I was still waiting to see kuch's response to Feeres and how Toledo/Slaine analyzed the players and such. It was just far too early imo.

[CJMiller]

And it's just like the ICs to act "holier than thou" and kill the new player.

I hate everyone that voted for me.

[CJMiller]

Also IF HERO DOESN'T UNVOTE HE'S A CRIMINAL

[kikuchiyo]

I hope you guys are right. In response to Feeres, all I can say is that his response is believable. It does not, however, alleviate my suspicions. His initial post just rubbed me the wrong way. I don't buy the whole roll, read timing. He stated that he rolled before he read so that his random vote was unbiased. How would reading the thread bias the roll of a die?
Oh well.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Final Day 1 Vote Count

Slaine Hayes - 1 (Artem)

CJMiller - 5 (Slaine Hayes, Hero764, Toledo88, Hockeyruler, Tenchi)

Feeres - 2 (kikuchiyo, CJMiller)

Not Voting - 1 (Feeres)

5 to Lynch

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

The Council comes to a decision after only a few hours of deliberation, and the rest of the town carts CJ off to the gallows. After CJ's body stops kicking, he is searched for any sign of Mafia affiliation.

Maybe you should have taken some more time...

CJMiller,

Townie

, lynched Day 1

Night has begun. Those of you with night actions must submit your choices before Monday, April 13th.