They would have gotten to express their thoughts on a shin lynch before it happened. Then we could have possibly been able to make a better connection between ZEE's replacement and shin, especially considering the things ZEEnon said that you have pointed out. Now ZEEnon's replacment knows to be very careful as to what to say in regards to shin, a dead scum. Meanwhile, it seemed like the polite thing to do. I assumed most other people would think that way, since several people had already made posts to that effect. I assumed wrong, obviously.GIEFF wrote:How is that any different than just replacing today? And why didn't you ask others to wait for ZEE's replacement?ac1983fan wrote:I wanted to give ZEE's replacement his/her fair word. I think it's unfair to a replace if the game is at L-1 and they don't get there word in.GIEFF wrote:So why didn't you hammer in this post? You just made a new excuse (waiting for ZEEnon's replacement). What does ZEEnon's replacement have to do with anything? Do you think ZEEnon's replacement would have changed your willingness to hammer Shin?
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He answered them all in a way I can believe, and that make logical sense. The pro-town explanation for ac1983fan's behavior is summarized by the reasons he gave, the pro-scum explanation is that ac1983 didn't really want to hammer, and just said that he did in order to distance. The pro-town explanation is plausible, but that does not mean I think it is more likely than the pro-scum explanation.
My old points against him still stand, and I still find it scummy that he claims he wanted to hammer, didn't hammer when he had the opportunity, and then complained that someone else got to hammer.
Drake, you have not yet answered Tuber's question to you in Post 435:
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Why exactly is ac1983fan on that list? Because he expressed sympathy for a Shin-lynch?DraketheFake wrote: Of course, Shin flipping scum is a nice bonus, and it definitely makes it seem like Emp, Tuber, andac1983fanare more pro-town than they were before the reveal.-
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Here's an updated vote history:
By character
Kmd4390
Vote Blakadder, FoS afatchic Post 15
FoS Slicey Post 27
Unvote, Vote Magus_Stragus Post 33
Unvote Post 39
Vote BlakAdder Post 70
Unvote, Vote ac Post 268
Unvote, Vote Shin Post 394
ac1983fan
vote:IH Post 17
unvote Post 36
GIEFF
Vote Kmd4390(Posted as afatchic)Post 19
Vote BlakAdder(Posted as afatchic)Post 68
Vote Empking, FoS kmd Post 171
unvote, vote ac1983fan Post 237
unvote, Vote Empking Post 339
Vote ac1983fan, FoS ZEEnon Post 426
Empking
Vote: ZEEonn Post 21
<BR>Unvote <BR>Vote: ZEEonn Post 102
Unvote Post 115
Vote: Sshin Post 126
Vote: GIEFF Post 429
Magus_Stragus
Vote: ac1983fan Post 22
Unvote. Vote: Empking Post 32
Unvote Post 38
FoS: IH Post 44
ZEEnon
Vote: afatchic Post 25
Unvote Post 89
Vote: Empking Post 245
Slicey
Vote: KMD Post 26
FoS: KMD Post 28
Unvote, Vote: Shinnen_no_Me Post 163
ZazieR
Vote:KMD(Posted as IH)Post 41
unvote, vote:Magus(Posted as IH)Post 54
Tuberkulos
vote: Magus Post 85
unvote Post 116
vote:Shin Post 180
unvote Post 329
vote: Shin Post 403
Shadow Knight
vote Empking Post 125
unvote, vote Shin Post 210
DraketheFake
Unvote Post 252
Vote: ac1983fan Post 380
Vote: ZEEnon/Whoever replaces Post 434
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Post NumberVotePoster
Post 15Vote Blakadder FoS afatchicKmd4390
Post 17vote:IHac1983fan
Post 19Vote Kmd4390afatchic
Post 21Vote: ZEEonnEmpking
Post 22Vote: ac1983fanMagus_Stragus
Post 25Vote: afatchicZEEnon
Post 26Vote: KMDSlicey
Post 27FoS SliceyKmd4390
Post 28FoS: KMDSlicey
Post 32Unvote. Vote: EmpkingMagus_Stragus
Post 33Unvote, Vote Magus_StragusKmd4390
Post 36unvoteac1983fan
Post 38UnvoteMagus_Stragus
Post 39UnvoteKmd4390
Post 41Vote:KMDIH
Post 44FoS: IHMagus_Stragus
Post 54unvote, vote:MagusIH
Post 68Vote BlakAdderafatchic
Post 70Vote BlakAdderKmd4390
Post 85vote: MagusTuberkulos
Post 89UnvoteZEEnon
Post 102<BR>Unvote <BR>Vote: ZEEonnEmpking
Post 115UnvoteEmpking
Post 116unvoteTuberkulos
Post 125vote EmpkingShadow Knight
Post 126Vote: SshinEmpking
Post 163Unvote, Vote: Shinnen_no_MeSlicey
Post 171Vote Empking FoS kmdGIEFF
Post 180vote:ShinTuberkulos
Post 210unvote, vote ShinShadow Knight
Post 237unvote vote ac1983fanGIEFF
Post 245Vote: EmpkingZEEnon
Post 252UnvoteDraketheFake
Post 268Unvote, Vote acKmd4390
Post 329unvoteTuberkulos
Post 339unvote Vote EmpkingGIEFF
Post 380Vote: ac1983fanDraketheFake
Post 394Unvote, Vote ShinKmd4390
Post 403vote: ShinTuberkulos
Post 426Vote ac1983fan FoS ZEEnonGIEFF
Post 429Vote: GIEFFEmpking
Post 434Vote: ZEEnon/Whoever replacesDraketheFake-
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Read from Post 33 for full context.
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I'd argue the opposite. Town wants to get out of the RVS.Magus_Stragus wrote:Unvote. Vote: Empkingbecause of your urge to start the discussion, which means that you want to start lynching as soon as possible.
Unvote, Vote Magus_StragusKmd4390 wrote:No, Magus was jokevoting Emp for doing what I consider a protown action: starting real discussion. Way to defend a player on Page 2 though.Kmd4390 wrote:The way I see it, Emp made a statement that Magnus saw as an attempt to get us out of the RVS. Magnus called that scummy. I call it a more protown action, and Magnus doing the exact opposite scummy.
And then later, in response to my question about why you unvoted Magus, you said:Kmd4390 wrote:
My bad on the name.Magus_Stragus wrote:First of all, it's Magus, not Magnus. Second, I didn't find scummy anything, I was just making a joke vote for Emp's seriousness. Any roads, I guess that this has already turned serious enough, so...
Unvote
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What are your thoughts on recent posts by ac and myself?
If you knew Magus was jokevoting, why did you vote her in the first place? Did Magus/Shin's response tell you anything you didn't know? If not, why did it satisfy you enough to unvote?Kmd4390 wrote:I unvoted because I was satisfied with Shin's response, not because the RVS was over. I don't do that. I unvote a random vote when there is a better reason to vote.
And kmd said ac1983fan was a better lynch than Shin, but hardly mentioned him before or after that, or explained why he thought ac was a better lynch. Kmd wanted me and Empking to keep arguing with each other after I was trying to end it, and had hardly a word to say about Shin OR ac1983fan as the town tried to figure out the best lynch candidate. Kmd only voted Shin very late, when it was pretty clear that there was no way to avoid a Shin lynch.-
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Right you are. I could have sworn ac1983fan voted for Shin at some point yesterday, but he never ever did.Tuberkulos wrote:
Why exactly is ac1983fan on that list? Because he expressed sympathy for a Shin-lynch?DraketheFake wrote:Of course, Shin flipping scum is a nice bonus, and it definitely makes it seem like Emp, Tuber, and ac1983fan are more pro-town than they were before the reveal.
In fact, he and Shin of all people were the only non-voters at the end of yesterday.
In fact, based on a quick look at her posts/GIEFF's list in the post before mine, he made one vote all of yesterday, and hasn't been voting since 36 posts into the game.
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The kill of Slicey isn't so weird. He wasn't a threat to anyone, and he managed to keep himself under the radar. Scum thought he had a reason for this (power role) and/or the kill wouldn't really give is something new to go on.
This works the other way around. ac doesn't look too good. I also don't like Drake.Tuberkulos wrote:I'm willing to lynch ac. However, no matter the outcome, it doesn't change my view on Shin.-
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Early in the game, I jump on the first thing I see. After the response, I didn't see anything genuinely scummy at that point.GIEFF wrote: If you knew Magus was jokevoting, why did you vote her in the first place? Did Magus/Shin's response tell you anything you didn't know? If not, why did it satisfy you enough to unvote?
Yes, I thought AC was a better lynch.GIEFF wrote: And kmd said ac1983fan was a better lynch than Shin, but hardly mentioned him before or after that, or explained why he thought ac was a better lynch. Kmd wanted me and Empking to keep arguing with each other after I was trying to end it, and had hardly a word to say about Shin OR ac1983fan as the town tried to figure out the best lynch candidate. Kmd only voted Shin very late, when it was pretty clear that there was no way to avoid a Shin lynch.
Yes, I wanted to see if you or Emp was onto something or not and I said more discussion "couldn't hurt".
I voted Shin because we knew Shin wasn't a power role and I was going V/LA.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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Because as of right now, I don't find anyone to scummy.Empking wrote:Ac: Why the lack of voting?
Why the questioning of me as opposed to the many other people not voting?
Most of which I was V/LA.GIEFF wrote: ac1983fan hasn't posted in 3 days.
Also, kmd, why did you think I was a better lynch than shin? I know that I'm not the first person to ask this, but you haven't directly stated why.Not a dayvig.-
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That's because I was planning on hammering shin once it was acceptable. And I'm not voting now because I feel no need to cast a vote right now. I won't vote unless I think someone needs to be lynched. Ok?Empking wrote:
Because you've onlyu had one vote all game.ac1983fan wrote: Because as of right now, I don't find anyone to scummy.
Why the questioning of me as opposed to the many other people not voting?.Not a dayvig.-
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