War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Xylthixlm]

/confirm

Fun fact of the day: the only two non-Indo-European languages that English has borrowed irregular pluralizations from are Hebrew (Seraphim, Cherubim) and Japanese (Samurai, Ninja, Pokemon).

[Xylthixlm]

Nuwen: Did you? Because I learned that from the kindly old professor who taught my Indo-European Languages course and never bothered to verify it.

[Xylthixlm]

I think the best thing to do with zwet is kill him preemptively, before he has a chance to make up a ridiculous claim.

[Xylthixlm]

A haiku:

Concentrate our fire,
Don't spend too long debating,
And NUKE ALL LURKERS

[Xylthixlm]

I don't see any need to subvert the hurt/heal mechanism. Just try to concentrate your fire on people who are already hurt, rather than wearing everyone down at once. That will make it harder for scum to suddenly kill townies using secret damage.

As several people have said, a fast-paced game helps the town even more than normal. Expect scum to try to slow it down by lurking.

[Xylthixlm]

This game is pretty much vanilla nightless with a strange voting mechanic. As long as we don't bring people down to low HP without killing them, or take so long that the scum get enough "rage points" to kill someone with lots of HP, the town can completely control the order people die in. Vanilla nightless is usually biased towards the town; there's no reason we should lose.

It looks like the once-per-24-hours limit isn't enough to seriously slow down the speed at which the town can kill people, but if there are a lot of people sitting around doing nothing or (even worse) healing everyone who gets hurt, it might be a problem. Automatic healing is a

horrible

idea and will just slow the game down, which gives the scum an advantage.

While I'm at it,

Hurt: Juls

Xylthixlm draws his shiny golden Hammer of Justice. He waits until Juls's back is turned, then flies up and bops him over the head. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Cybele - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Hoopla - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: (0)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: (0)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me (1)
# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Juls (1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

[Xylthixlm]

What the heck? Why on earth did you hurt Juls? Did you miss the agreement that rage points can be less effective if everyone is healthier?

Heal: Juls

Vote: Xyl

zwetschenwasser is scum. Everyone help me kill him.

[Xylthixlm]

Think of it like this: If there are 2-3 players out of 20 who are lurking, I can get behind not waiting for them. That is a small group. If there are 12-14 players not giving input I cannot get behind said lynch/kill.

If there are ANY players who are lurking and not giving input

we kill them first

.

This is not negotiable.

[Xylthixlm]

The more I think about it, the more I feel the best scum strategy is a highly aggressive one. Especially if they can make it look townie to be aggressive.

Kinetic needs to die, too. Trying to slow the game down, scum? We're not giving you any extra rage points.

[Xylthixlm]

Our God is a vengeful God.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh yeah. Xyl is suggesting we finish off everyone that loses a

bit

lot of health instead of

spreading around the joy pain

letting the scum choose which ones to finish. The he suggests we

cut down on the information gathering

gather information as fast as possible. You know, to hurt the scum.

Perfectly normal.

Fixed.

[Xylthixlm]

i wish everyone hadn't wasted their action healing people so they could be hurting kinetic instead

Sorry. I wasn't sure Kinetic was scum yet and didn't want to wait any longer to use my action.

Unfortunately I think if we try to kill Kinetic, zwet will heal him, so we might need to kill zwet first.

[Xylthixlm]

Missed this because of the new page.

Xyl, you didn't have to agree with the mass-heal plan or heal me but to hurt me for no apparent reason just shows that you are reckless (which is anti-town).

Vote: Xyl

Wow, I've found three scum already. DGB will be proud.

[Xylthixlm]

Drench, maybe you missed this post.

This game is pretty much vanilla nightless with a strange voting mechanic. As long as we don't bring people down to low HP without killing them, or take so long that the scum get enough "rage points" to kill someone with lots of HP, the town can completely control the order people die in. Vanilla nightless is usually biased towards the town; there's no reason we should lose.

It looks like the once-per-24-hours limit isn't enough to seriously slow down the speed at which the town can kill people, but if there are a lot of people sitting around doing nothing or (even worse) healing everyone who gets hurt, it might be a problem. Automatic healing is a

horrible

idea and will just slow the game down, which gives the scum an advantage.

Those things are good ideas because

they let the town completely control the order in which people die

. That's exactly what the scum doesn't want to happen.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh you found three scum did you? Please...enlighten me on what it was that I did that was so scummy in all 2 posts I made before your hurt.

You mean the

three

posts before I called you scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Or are you somehow assuming that everyone else will be too stupid to notice that the post where I called your scum quoted your THIRD (non-confirm-stage) post?

[Xylthixlm]

What're everyone's thoughts on Seraphim blades? It makes most sense to use the blade every cooldown since it allows for 1 1/3 average damage per day versus 1 damage without using the blade. In the last game, it was suggested that

all

players mention a blade in order to mask the Seraphim's identity. Are we going to do something similar?

Note: if we disguise extra town damage, we also risk masking the source of rage damage.

Seraphim should not use their blades unless we get into a damage race. Transparency in damage is more important.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm reconsidering Kinetic. He may be scum, but there are more important people to kill.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh you found three scum did you? Please...enlighten me on what it was that I did that was so scummy in all 2 posts I made before your hurt.

You are too eager to be healed, and too anxious about being hurt. Your reflexive OMGUSing is painful to watch. Die scum.

[Xylthixlm]

*facepalm*

I hate the way you do this. Really hate it. It's useless.

Day One is for dragging the scum out of their comfort zone, kicking and screaming.

Fast ball, fast ball, screwball, fast ball, change up, fast ball.

Keep them nervous and guessing.

Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

[Xylthixlm]

Reference FAIL!

*facepalm*

I hate the way you do this. Really hate it. It's useless.

Day One is for dragging the scum out of their comfort zone, kicking and screaming.

Fast ball, fast ball, screwball, fast ball, change up, fast ball.

Keep them nervous and guessing.

Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?

[Xylthixlm]

Pinky, are you thinking what I'm thinking?

I am.

High five!

Cool.

I think we need to give it another 24 hours or so, to give the scum a chance to make themselves really obvious.

[Xylthixlm]

Fonz, rolf and Xyl

WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?

You can form a group of people to vote if you want. I'm not in it. And if you plan to heal up all damage not done by your group,

that

is incredibly anti-town.

[Xylthixlm]

A plan was proposed to heal. Most people were exchanging heals. I made the mistake of choosing you to be the person I healed. I expected a heal back. That is not eager.

So, you only healed me because you expected a heal back?

[Xylthixlm]

+1 exists.

I don't recharge for 6 hours. What's the case against viq?

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

Just so it's on record - my picks for scum at this point are Xyl, DGB, and albert.

That probably seems a bit OMGUS, but the fact that they're focussing on me instead of someone who's really scummy is really scummy.

I've only mentioned you once.

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Cybele - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Hoopla - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: (0)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me (1)
# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: vIQleS (1)
# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

[Xylthixlm]

The following players have not yet used hurt/heal: Guisepppe (V/LA), The Fonz, WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

Mafia is a game of discussion. Its only a game of manipulation if you're scum. How many times have you been successfully manipulative as scum? How many times have you been unsuccessfully manipulative as town?

Mafia is a game of killing people. Discussion is only useful as a way of knowing who to kill first.

[Xylthixlm]

I think we need to lynch actual scummy people first and then worry about lurkers/non-participators.

Partially right, partially wrong. People who are talking more tend to look scummier, just because they have more opportunities to say something you disagree with. If you haven't learned to correct for that, you should go after the lurkers first. If you have, you should go after the scummy people, who will usually be the lurkers anyways.

[Xylthixlm]

Right now I would be happiest killing either Juls or WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually

Call intent to hurt WaltWishbone

Die, lurkerscum.

[Xylthixlm]

@Xyl

Juls and WaltWishbone are lurking, correct?

I also think it's important to sort out the lurkers from the scummy lurkers. Generally, scum lurkers will either say less or pretend that they're saying something when they're not.

WaltWishbone is a scummy lurker. Read his post.

Juls is OMGUSing rather than scumhunting.

[Xylthixlm]

For those too lazy to find WaltWishbone's only post:

So I am not sure I have a complete understanding of the way this game works, however I am comfortable making a few early observations. I do not feel confident enough yet to make a vote or hurt/heal anyone.

My initial thoughts from reading the first six pages are; Cybele, Hoopla, and Kinetics opening posts came across as very honest and containend an element of truth which would indicate they had no idea what kind of Rage, ect abilities scum may have. Although, I do understand a couple of points made against Kinetic, I would have a hard time voting for him at this point. I think ABR has put in lot of detail into his research and subsequent reasoning behind his post however I want to go back and reread the first 6 pages (as well as the previous game) before elaborating.

I am a bit torn between two different stratagies, I do however agree with going with a majority. I am not sure whether it would be best to hold onto my hurt/heal until the rest of the players have a chance to check in and and add their thoughts or if I should return the favor and heal vIQleS? (thanks by the way )

One thing I am not clear about in the rules is how time works in this set-up? In otherwords, do we have 24 hours from Mr. Flay's post to hurt/heal someone 1 time? Tomorrow by 7am? Also if we dont use a hurt/heal does it carry over to the next 24 hour period?

I am gonna reread everything now and try to get a better handle on how this set-up works, thanks for any advice.

Translation: "I want to look like I'm contributing, but am unwilling to actually take a position on anything. I'm just going to sit here and let the town reach a decision and then I can pretend I supported it all along."

[Xylthixlm]

Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.

Good catch, though not as much of a shining beacon of grovelling for mercy as WaltWishbone.

I agree with

Yosarian2

DrippingGoofball.

[Xylthixlm]

Next people that hurts anyone for whatever stupid reason should be hurted to death.

No.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm thinking the pushers for attacks are right. Once we have decided on a "lynch" can we at least agree that it isn't a bad thing to heal the other players if there is a lot of harm going around?

Healing up people who aren't under active attack is a good idea. Healing up people who have a real wagon on them is counterproductive.


People arguing about voting systems, random hurting, etc, etc, need to keep in mind two indisputable facts:
1) In the end, the thing that will determine whether the town wins or loses is

the order in which people die

. Nothing more, nothing less. We need to make sure scum die before townies as much as possible.
2) The scum get more influence over who dies with every week that passes.

#2 means that, if they're smart, the scum will be trying to slow the game down. Keep an eye on who is acting to slow the game down, and who is acting to keep it moving. If we're willing to punish people for slowing the game, that will mean the scum will have to help keep the pace up, which will be good for the town.

Here's some math:
The scum get a kill roughly every 2 weeks (more if we bring people down to low HP and leave them there a lot, less if we kill several scum early).
The town gets as many lynches as we want.
There are probably at most 5 scum.
If scum get close to a majority, they can heal to prevent the town from killing in a reasonable time, and force a win using rage. Call that -2 mislynches.
So, depending on our lynch speed, our number of mislynches before we go lose goes down:
If we kill once a day, we get around 8 mislynches.
If we kill once every 2 days, we get around 7 mislynches.
If we kill once every 4 days, we get around 6 mislynches.
If we kill once every 7 days, we get around 5 mislynches.
If we kill once every 10 days, we get get around 4 mislynches.
If we kill once every 14 days, we get get around 3 mislynches.


So... how much deliberation before each kill do you think is worth losing a mislynch?

[Xylthixlm]

Its DETRIMENTAL to town in the long game when we are going to have all people at L-2 and scum distributing rage points for winning the game.

In the long game TOWN LOSES. We have to win fast or we won't win at all.

[Xylthixlm]

Majority voting is too slow.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to hurt is fine. A fixed deadline is fine too.

[Xylthixlm]

But if we have a fixed deadline it should be something like 48 hours.

[Xylthixlm]

And while we argue about this stuff, I'm going to help DGB with WaltWishbone.

2 hours until I recharge.

[Xylthixlm]

Fixed Votecount.
10 to massive hurting

I wouldn't wait that long. I'd rather have a deadline, and see who has the most votes by then. Getting a majority with 10 people usually ends up with a lynch that "everyone agrees with". And you know what happens when "everyone agrees"...

...Townies get lynched.

Let's agree on a deadline. Better if somebody does the math.

I agree with a deadline. 48 hours? Why is that? We know that scum possibly gets rage poitns after a week.
Also, if my calculations are right, scum can only

kill

someone (Ophan with 7 HPs) with rage points after 2 weeks. Assuming 4 scum, every scum gets 1 rage point every week.
If we control the random hurtings, scum wouldnt even have a chance to hurt secretly people since everyone but the current suspect would be at their toppings and we could heal everyone attempted to get hurt. They will have to waste all their rage points in someone to kill it.

I just did the complete math a couple of posts ago. You're underestimating how powerful 1 kill / 2 weeks is.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, just a hint, not everyone can post as much as you do. What is the case on Walt again?

Every word he's written has been scummy and noncommittal.

[Xylthixlm]

With 1 post, wouldnt hurt to hear more about him, dont you think?

If Walt is scum, we kill a scum.
If Walt is town, we kill someone who is slowing the game down.

Seems like win/win to me. And I think Walt has a pretty good chance of being scum.

Thoughts about viqles, Shinnen, Kinetic and DGB?

I haven't looked at Shinnen. Kinetic and DGB are both posting enough that I don't want them to die too early. vIQ is vaguely scummy but there are better people to kill.

[Xylthixlm]

poptajo is losing all town credit at an incredible rate

seraphim and hoopla need to die post haste, and every 24 hours i will be hurting seraphim until he is dead, then i'll start on hoopla

hoopla healing kinetic is extra scummy

Come help us with Walt instead.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: WaltWishbone

Xylthixlm once again draws his Golden Hammer. Raising it high, he flies above the bewildered crowd of angels. Then he drops it and it lands on WaltWishbone's head. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Cybele - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Hoopla - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me (1)
# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage (1) Healed by: Seraphim (1)
# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm (2) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

[Xylthixlm]

I agree with Hoopla, the whole discussion between ABR and Kinetic, came across as a difference of opinions in strategy between two Townies. I don't think either look scummy at this point, just at odds.

This is the only opinion about towniness/scumminess in the above post that was not hedged.

Scummy and noncommittal indeed. DGB, you better not jump to someone else like the squirrel with ADD you are.

[Xylthixlm]

Walt: Perhaps you don't understand the theory behind counting mislynches. It's quite common as a way of gauging just how much trouble the town is in.

We start with ~8 mislynches.
Lynch a townie: -1 mislynch.
Lynch a scum: +1 mislynch.
Scum get a kill: -1 mislynch.
When the number of mislynches remaining goes to 0, town loses.

Obviously, we want to lynch correctly, so our mislynch buffer goes up. But it's important to know how many mislynches are left because it tells us

how badly we could possibly do at scumhunting and still not lose

. In this case, the slower we go, the more kills scum get, the less buffer have, and the better we will need to be at scumhunting to compensate.

[Xylthixlm]

Correction: When the number of mislynches remaining goes

below

0, town loses.

[Xylthixlm]

your strategy ... is contingent on not having all mislynches.

Well,

duh

.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, can you give me some insight into Seraphim's playstyle?

Bog standard. I think I've only played on a scumteam with him once, but he had a serious case of "information instead of analysis" that game.

[Xylthixlm]

speaking of organize, i'm organizing a brute squad, and inducting the following obviously town people into it immediately: abr, xyl, dgb, and tajo (if he'll accept). we should all agree on one person and put them down. over and over, until we've killed all the scum.

I think I like this idea more now. Our first target is WaltWishbone. Once he's dead, someone else picks the next target.

[Xylthixlm]

Xyl, can you give me some insight into Seraphim's playstyle?

Bog standard. I think I've only played on a scumteam with him once, but he had a serious case of "information instead of analysis" that game.

After actually reading his first few posts, I'm pretty sure Seraphim is town this game.

[Xylthixlm]

xyl, seraphim first, then i'll help you with walt wishbone

Seraphim is town.

[Xylthixlm]

Walt is at least neutral. I dont see the case on him nor the necessity to hurt him to death like Xyl is proposing.

Someone needs to die first. Walt is not obvtown. What's the problem?

[Xylthixlm]

Okay. We don't have the luxury of taking as long as we would in a normal game here.

EVERYONE MUST CLAIM WHO THEY WANT TO DIE FIRST IN THEIR NEXT POST.

[Xylthixlm]

I want WaltWishbone to die first.

[Xylthixlm]

Rofl's crazy attacking is noted.

vIQleS sticks out as the scummiest player so far in the game.

I'm not reading Xyl as scum ...

^ All of these are things I'm pretty sure scum-Seraphim wouldn't say.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Xyl

This game is unorganized. Good job scum.

Tunnel much?

[Xylthixlm]

good thing i can basically kill people all by myself, because it seems like nobody else in this game gets it

You can't kill people all by yourself.

[Xylthixlm]

Albert B. Rampage, Nuwen, populartajo, q21, roflcopter, vIQleS, WeyounsLastClone, and Xylthixlm

THe above are guilty of partaking in the scum-favouring healing up plan. Putting this here to remind myself in future.

Huh? I haven't healed anyone.

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Hoopla - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz (2) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen (3) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)

# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 356.

[Xylthixlm]

Did you not? You got healed. I assumed everyone who was healed reciprocated.

Nope. Juls healed me, and I hurt him. He's been on an OMGUS crusade ever since.

[Xylthixlm]

I have no idea why people think Xyl is scum. I've been reading nothing but town intent from him especially since he's going out of his way to make heal/hurt counts. If he was scum, he'd be a lot more aggressive and attempt to bullshit the town with useless information.

Hell no. If I was scum I'd be lurking more, and probably supporting populartajo's vote plan. That would slow down the game enough to glide to an easy scum win.

[Xylthixlm]

Clarification: What I meant by "aggressive" was "flailing". You'd be attacking more targets with less justification. Also, Xyl, would you be willing to support a zwet kill right now?

I'm busy killing WaltWishbone here. I want to say zwet is scum, but I think that's just an OMGUS reaction.

[Xylthixlm]

Arrrrgggghhhhh.

[Xylthixlm]

Arrrrgggghhhhh.

I don't understand your case against Walt. He isn't even lurking anymore.

It's not the specifics, it's the fact that we now have five injured people.

[Xylthixlm]

There is also the fact that while other players under suspicion have something town points somewhere along the line, zwet has none.

Please point to what WaltWishbone has done that gives him town points.

[Xylthixlm]

Please point to what WaltWishbone has done that gives him town points.

He posted more than 1-liners.

More than 1-liners, by themselves, are not worth town points. What did he say

in

the more than 1-liners that is worth town points?

[Xylthixlm]

Admittedly, in WW's case town points may be too strong a term, but I've seen nothing to make me want to see him dead. If I'm reading him wrong at the moment and he is scum I'm not too worried. Because if he continues to make big/decent length posts he will trap himself. If he suddenly stops he'll be suspicious for that.

Okay. Please point out something in any of his posts

so far

that could trap him in the future.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to heal is fine. But I have a proposal: Seraphim and zwet (or Juls) should get together and agree that, since they are going to cancel each other out anyways, neither of them will hurt/heal me so they can both use their actions elsewhere.

[Xylthixlm]

Whoa, calm down, Fonz.

[Xylthixlm]

Ahem. Since I think this is getting lost in all the noise...

Seraphim

: You will agree with zwetschenwasser that you will not heal me unless zwetschenwasser hurts me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.

zwetschenwasser

: You will agree with Seraphim that you will not hurt me unless Seraphim heals me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.

[Xylthixlm]

Intent to heal: Xyl

There is no case on him and the people attacking him have no basis and are some of the scummier players in the game. If Zwet flips scum, Juls is next.

stop fucking healing people! jesus christ!

I am totally and completely biased here, BUT

The answer is not "don't heal". The answer is "Every intent to heal cancels out an intent to hurt. Don't hurt someone unless you have more than enough intent to hurts to cancel out all the intent to heals. Don't heal someone unless you have more than enough intent to heals to cancel out all the intent to hurts."

[Xylthixlm]

You still think I'm scum when there's other, much scummier people in the game right now? Like zwet and Hoopla?

omg could you deflect more?

If Seraphim is scum he's doing a hell of a lot better job at it than he did in the last game he played. Seriously, go find some other target.

[Xylthixlm]

Now I have to wait for an official hurt count to find out if rofl is actually a Seraph. Thanks, rofl.

[Xylthixlm]

Now I have to wait for an official hurt count to find out if rofl is actually a Seraph. Thanks, rofl.

does a yes or no answer to that make any real difference to the way you're currently going about playing the game?

No, but it will make a difference to my next hurt/heal count.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: WaltWishbone

DrippingGoofball advances on WaltWishbone, her shining spear at the ready. So Xylthixlm sneaks up behind him and bops him over the head with his Golden Hammer. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

Xy, you need a better case on Walt than this:

No I don't. Here's a peak into the spinning gearwheels of my brain:

I start off wanting to kill

everyone

.

As people do townish things, I move them down the list of people I want to kill. People who don't do townish things stay at the top.

Then I do my best to get the people at the top of the list killed, by whatever means necessary.

So far, WaltWishbone has done almost nothing to move him down the list.

[Xylthixlm]

And what have Viqles, Juls and Drench done?

Let's take a look!

Just so it's on record - my picks for scum at this point are Xyl, DGB, and albert.

Ok, so the picks are totally scummy. But putting yourself on record is townish. Down the list he goes.

General activity level is okay, with some interaction. That's another notch down the list.

... okay, that's all I got. vIQ isn't far below Walt.

----

As for Juls, all she has done is tunnel on me. She's high on the list, frankly, I prefer not to attack people for attacking me because it gets dismissed as "OMGUS" and accomplishes nothing.

----

Drench is in pretty much the same bucket as Juls, just with more words. I do have some hope that Drench might get a clue and start being useful.

[Xylthixlm]

xyl - are you against the hurting of hoopla? if not, why not join us in hurting hoopla?

I'll save you the trouble of playing 20 questions here.

People Xyl Is Against The Hurting Of

Xyl
Seraphim
The Fonz

The answer to the second question is "because I have a better target who also has a wagon".

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2?

(2?) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)
# roflcopter - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)
# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic (3) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim (2) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 356.
Waiting for a mod damage update to determine whether roflcopter's attack on Hoopla counted double.

[Xylthixlm]

...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing.

That's it right there, folks. "You're scum because you're attacking me and I'm town". A complete, 100% OMGUS attack.

[Xylthixlm]

ABR: Read that post again. His case against me is that I am "counterproductive" and have a strategy based on "acceptable town casualties". You are supposed to infer that I am trying to kill townies, but he doesn't come out and say it. Then he raises the fear of "gonna cost the town the game", and his evidence is that

I am attacking him and he is town

.

[Xylthixlm]

I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.

Read his posts again, but instead of looking for obviously scummy things, look for anything which someone could point back at and say "you were wrong!" later. Then share your results.

[Xylthixlm]

I also read back Walt's post, and I couldn't really find a case on him. Xyl accused him of scumlurking, but I don't think anyone with a life can keep up actively to the post rate of this topic. The same happened with Hoppla. Yes, there are a few strange things, but nothing as scum like Rofl's and Fonz' attitude.

Read his posts again, but instead of looking for obviously scummy things, look for anything which someone could point back at and say "you were wrong!" later. Then share your results.

Oh, and while you're at it, look for anything in his posts which would make you think "I think X is scum" or "I think X is town" if he died and came up scum. Scum don't like making connections to their buddies.

[Xylthixlm]

Swing and a miss. I've set out why his plan is hugely detrimental to town- but sticking his neck so far out for it is a protown tell. I'm certainly not ruling it out, but I think he's wrong rather than scum, and that

the actual scum will be found in the large group of players much lurkier than Tajo.

QFT. I'm also betting that most of the scum either supported tajo's plan or didn't take a position.

[Xylthixlm]

Don't have time to do a hurt/heal count right now, but I believe roflcopter and shinnen_no_me are now both proven Seraphim.

[Xylthixlm]

You hurt an uninjured player. Die.

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

(3) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball?

(3) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim (2) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 502.
Unclear whether DrippingGoofball's hurt on Shinnen counted.

[Xylthixlm]

xyl, will you hurt shinnen the next time your powers are recharged?

Intent to hurt: Shinnen_no_Me

I'm going back to WaltWishbone just as soon as Shinnen is dead, though.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually... in light of the recent discussion I have the feeling WaltWishbone is an Ophan. That puts his actions in a slightly better light, although it still doesn't excuse his lack of interaction.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually... in light of the recent discussion I have the feeling WaltWishbone is an Ophan. That puts his actions in a slightly better light, although it still doesn't excuse his lack of interaction.

This gets the award for dumbest post of the entire fucking game.

Daytalking scum with no nightkill. I'm pretty sure they would have noticed by now anyways, so it's better to get it out there for the town.

[Xylthixlm]

Since zwetschenwasser is updating his games...

Ahem. Since I think this is getting lost in all the noise...

Seraphim

: You will agree with zwetschenwasser that you will not heal me unless zwetschenwasser hurts me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.

zwetschenwasser

: You will agree with Seraphim that you will not hurt me unless Seraphim heals me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.

Agreed.

[Xylthixlm]

The level of bloodthirst in this town makes me

The fact that the damage is concentrating on a little over 1/4 of the players makes me :D:D

That fact that I'm one of those players makes me

[Xylthixlm]

I don't think all the Ophanim need to claim... but it will be fairly obvious to the scum who they are anyways: they're the people not hurting or healing anyone. And the normal drawback of outing power roles, that they will be nightkilled, doesn't really apply; scum will have to burn 2 weeks worth of accumulated rage to kill an Ophan from full+1 HP, and stand a chance of getting caught by another Ophan while doing so.

Any Ophan who finds himself under fire should almost certainly claim before he gets down to the point where the scum can easily finish him off.

[Xylthixlm]

Hurt: Shinnen_no_Me

Shinnen_no_Me is surrounded by a crowd of angels, stabbing and slashing. Xylthixlm shrugs and tosses his Golden Hammer in a gentle underhand lob. It goes wide to the left, then suddenly curves midair to hit Shinnen_no_Me in the back of the head. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

(3) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball (1)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm (8) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim (2) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 606.

[Xylthixlm]

Walt: I think that's the first time I've ever seen someone say they need to see

more

posts from me.

Kinetic: I need to make some reasonable assumptions about what's going on, or my counts will be full of disclaimers. I will generally assume that no funny business is going on unless the official damage count says otherwise. It's always possible that two lies/secret effects cancelled each other out. I'll add a disclaimer to the next count.

DGB: So, is there a reason you aren't going berserk with accusations of bussing?

[Xylthixlm]

That'll be far too late. We need to have killed twice by then.

Shinnen_no_Me, WaltWishbone. That's two. I'm still considering who the third should be... maybe a lurker?

[Xylthixlm]

WaltWishbone: So you think Shinnen_no_Me is town? Why?

[Xylthixlm]

(Verifying that vIQleS was scum in the first War in Heaven... yep, he was.)

I don't really believe the first "slip" Kinetic points out on vIQleS... but the attempt to hide knowledge of how rage works is damning. vIQleS gets to be #3 to die, or maybe even #2.

[Xylthixlm]

Shinnen was actually scum? Awesome. Not needing a full majority seems to be working to the town's advantage here.

WaltWishbone: So you think Shinnen_no_Me is town? Why?

I never wrote I was sure she was town, I wrote I am not willing to hurt her beacuse, I am not reading (with the same conviction she is scum) you and other players seem to have in her guillt. Number two, I am not willing to scarifice what could be one of our power roles, a Seraphim (which she is) this early in the game!

Notice the wishiwashiness of this answer. It fits what I would expect of scum who is worried about being linked to a buddy if he answers wrong.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone (4) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm (1) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)
# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo (2)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim (2) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

There has been no secret damage as of post 676.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Oops. I think Shinnen_no_Me had 14 damage when he died, not 13. I must have forgot to add something.

A total of 10 unique players hurt Shinnen_no_Me. I'd say it's safe to guess there might be scum in there.

[Xylthixlm]

So, after a real read on vIQleS, it looks like he was just challenging Kinetic because he thought Kinetic has real secret information.

I'm pretty sure there's still a case on vIQ, but I don't feel it in my gut. So back to what I was doing before I got distracted by killing Shinnen.

Intent to Hurt: WaltWishbone

[Xylthixlm]

Oops. I think Shinnen_no_Me had 14 damage when he died, not 13. I must have forgot to add something.

No, I got it right, DrippingGoofball's attack didn't count. She really shouldn't be in that list...

[Xylthixlm]

xyl, hurt hoopla to death first, then deal with walt

I want to put Walt out of his misery.

[Xylthixlm]

Hey Nuwen, come help me kill Walt.

[Xylthixlm]

She tried to, though.

She only tried because someone asked her to prove she couldn't.

[Xylthixlm]

I disagree with lynching Walt.

What protown things has he done?

I keep asking this and nobody actually answers.

[Xylthixlm]

Admittedly, in WW's case town points may be too strong a term, but I've seen nothing to make me want to see him dead. If I'm reading him wrong at the moment and he is scum I'm not too worried. Because if he continues to make big/decent length posts he will trap himself. If he suddenly stops he'll be suspicious for that.

Okay. Please point out something in any of his posts

so far

that could trap him in the future.

I'm not going to go dig through his posts now when I don't even suspect him at the moment.

I'm calling q21 as buddies with WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm calling q21 as buddies with WaltWishbone.

Where does that fit in with ABR and his self-proclaimed puppet Juls?

Juls is obvscum. I've only been holding off her because she was so far undamaged.

[Xylthixlm]

Kill me if you must...I am a cherub. When I die, look at ABR and see his towniness. Make MY death be his confirmation. He will be of more use to you.

The only way your death will help confirm ABR in my mind is if you come up scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Kill me if you must...I am a cherub. When I die, look at ABR and see his towniness. Make MY death be his confirmation. He will be of more use to you.

The only way your death will help confirm ABR in my mind is if you come up scum.

I agree, conditional on there being only one scumgroup.

The thought of multiple scumgroups has crossed my mind, but it really doesn't fit the flavor.

[Xylthixlm]

I know what ABR is like as scum. And he's just like that.

OK...believe what you will...kill me and then leave ABR alone when you see that I am town.

Hey Xyl. I'm trying to deconstruct this amazing sentence, but it's giving me a brain hernia. What do you come up with?

Juls is town and somehow thinks that once she's dead we'll realize how awesome she is at this game and therefore that she must be right about ABR?

Juls is scum and spouting bullshit?

That's all I got.

[Xylthixlm]

You know, I don't know why the personal stuff is necessary. I'm not being rude to any of you so there is no need to be rude toward me. I did not say I am an awesome player Xyl.

Please, try not to be total douche bags.

Ok, I'll just ask directly:

Even if you die and come up town, why should we believe you that ABR is town?

[Xylthixlm]

I don't know how to stop my lynch, particularly when hurt comes from players not even trying - but I'll be dead quite soon, so I'm going to try and post some final thoughts in the hope my words mean something when I'm gone. Don't finish me just yet!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
town reaction

Wrong. Scum reaction.

You shouldn't necessarily but you shouldn't try to hang him because of me. When I come up town you will know that my motivations were pure. Then, if you find him scummy at least it will be for the right reasons.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
scum reaction

Wrong. Town reaction.

[Xylthixlm]

Hoopla definitely gave a town reaction. Scum DON'T WANT to give the town any hints towards scumbuddies.

Making the end-of-game post is townish.

Saying you'll make the end-of-game post later is scummy.

[Xylthixlm]

I think I have an idea in case Hoopla is town.

Tell us your idea now or scrap it dude. She's going to die, there's no escaping it. She messed up one too many times.

We put her at L-1. We control (prob rolf or Nuwen, still deciding) her hurtings or healings. We let scum take care of her.
And we can kill her when she is not useful anymore or its time to kill unconfirmed.
There should obv be an Ophanim on her right now in case she decides to use rage points.

This might be the worst idea you've had all game.

Oh wait, the voting thing.

It's still a really awful idea.

[Xylthixlm]

tajo is SO SCUM HOW THE HELL ARE PEOPLE MISSING THIS

I think I believe you now

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone, Juls, Seraphim (8) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

There has been no secret damage as of post 676.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Keeping a player at 1 hp is basically giving the scum the choice of how long they live. Bad idea.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, yeah Xyl, your strategy RAWKS if you use it now (I thought it was bad idea at first so apologies if it works to win us the game), imho.

My strategy is not killing people randomly.

[Xylthixlm]

My strategy in a normal game goes something like this:

1. Pick someone. It doesn't really matter who.
2. Build a huge bandwagon on them, just short of lynch.
3. Stop and look at everyone's reactions.
4. Figure out who is obvtown.
5a. If your target isn't obvtown, get them lynched, then go to step 6.
5b. If your target is obvtown, go to step 8.
6. You have a lynch! Reexamine the previous day's bandwagons in light of the new known alignments.
7. Figure out who is obvtown.
8. Pick someone who isn't obvtown, then go back to step 2.

I'm having to modify it because of the heal/hurt mechanic... putting a bunch of damage on someone before deciding they're town is Bad.

[Xylthixlm]

Keeping a player at 1 hp is basically giving the scum the choice of how long they live. Bad idea.

Yes, but they are not precisely the most protown players in the game. See my point?

Actually no, I don't.

[Xylthixlm]

Oh Lord, who created us angels and watches above, please tell me: Why does WaltWishbone say that I have no reason for attacking him? Does he believe that I, as well as Your servants DrippingGoofball and Nuwen, have been blinded to Your truth when we find evidence of the taint in him? Does he think that we have fallen from grace? Or has he himself fallen from grace, and spews lies to mislead those of us who remain loyal to You? I beseech that you impart on me a fragment of the divine truth You hold, so that I can understand what in Your name WaltWishbone is thinking.

[Xylthixlm]

I don't feel like digging out every quote from DGB and Nuwen that says you're scummy, so I'll just paste these:

Hurt: WaltWishbone

Hurt: WaltWishbone - by flavor be purged!

[Xylthixlm]

one more damage laid on hoopla would be spectacular

Drench will do it.

Oh wait, Drench vanished in a puff of scumminess three days ago.

[Xylthixlm]

Hoopla is still at 1 HP by my count.

[Xylthixlm]

Hoopla is still at 1 HP by my count.

Does Juls' hurt not count?

Juls's attempt to hurt you earlier failed because it was too soon.

[Xylthixlm]

Every time I see a ";)" I have a reflex urge to lynch WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

I think minivitational 10 is about it for games I've won as town on this site. I think I should get some credit for hammering 2 of the 3 scum in that game though.

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

Of course that's the first game I was town in that finished

[Xylthixlm]

ABR: I can tell you're having fun.

I am now in the unusual position of being recharged but not being sure who I want to hurt...

[Xylthixlm]

FIRST DAMAGE TALLY OF THE FOURTEENTH ÆON

Albert B. Rampage, Nuwen, populartajo, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS, and WeyounsLastClone are at 1 HP above their normal maximum.

Drench, DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Juls, Kinetic, roflcopter, Tenchi, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Xylthixlm and Juls have 1 damage each.
WaltWishbone and zwetschenwasser have 3 damage each.

Is Juls at full HP, or does she have 1 damage?

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)
# Drench - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm (4) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

It is unclear whether Juls has 0 damage or 1 damage. I am assuming 1, as that's consistent with heals/hurts seen so far.
There has been no secret damage as of post 999.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Someone please second my intent to hurt on WaltWishbone.

[Xylthixlm]

# Hoopla - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter x2,

WaltWishbone

, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

WaltWishbone's reluctance to kill Hoopla at the end there seems odd considering that he hurt Hoopla earlier. Investigating.

[Xylthixlm]

Search on WaltWishbone's posts for "Hoopla".

My initial thoughts from reading the first six pages are; Cybele, Hoopla, and Kinetics opening posts came across as very honest and containend an element of truth which would indicate they had no idea what kind of Rage, ect abilities scum may have.

I agree with Hoopla, the whole discussion between ABR and Kinetic, came across as a difference of opinions in strategy between two Townies. I don't think either look scummy at this point, just at odds.

I went back and reread the first ten pages, as well as Hoopla, Shinnen, and Zwert in isolation. [...]

In my opinion the case against Hoopla is much stronger than any others at this point, especially given her contradictions. I missed the fact she hurt DGb in her opening post and that makes no sense to me what so ever. Further compounded by writing the exact opposite in a later post. I know she explained her reasons behind this contradiction, however I am not conviced.

Hurt: Hoopla

... then no further mentions of Hoopla until today.

I must meditate on this.

[Xylthixlm]

And Shinnen for good measure:

I think Shinnen has questionable responses to several points which were raised however I would hesitate at this point at joining this wagon, especially given her roleclaim. If she flips town, it would be unfortunate to lose one of our Seraphim so early in the game.

I never wrote I was sure she was town, I wrote I am not willing to hurt her beacuse, I am not reading (with the same conviction she is scum) you and other players seem to have in her guillt. Number two, I am not willing to scarifice what could be one of our power roles, a Seraphim (which she is) this early in the game!

[Xylthixlm]

As opposssed to just taking Rofl, Nuwen, and one other person to end game?

Jokes aside Brother do you see a flaw in my strategy to win this game?

Yes.

Problem #1: There may be up to 4 scum left.

Problem #2: Say there are 5 confirmed townies and 4 scum left alive. The 5 townies hurt one of the scum, while the other 3 scum heal that player. That scum hurts a townie, and the other scum use their rage points on the same townie. Town does a net 14 damage a week; scum does a net 7+5 = 12 damage a week. If scum have any rage built up, they're going to win that race. So the town might need extra players in endgame to force a win even if all the scum are known.

[Xylthixlm]

Interesting...

Well it looks like my radar might not be completely bad yet.

hurt:viq

Can we wagon him now please.

Please analyze Shinnen_no_Me's interactions with vIQleS and report your results.

[Xylthixlm]

i'd like an opinion from the following people: xyl, abr, fonz
on this question: which of seraphim and tajo deserves to die more?

tajo duh

[Xylthixlm]

I see Drench has been posting over in Mish Mash, but not here. Let's see if he's actually paying attention.

Hurt: Drench

Xylthixlm finds Drench resting under a tree with his eyes closed, strumming a lute. Out comes the Golden Hammer for a gentle tap on the side of the head. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

vIQleS: Thanks for saying who you're targeting. If I was scum, I would make sure my scumbuddies used any necessary rage instead of me.

[Xylthixlm]

vIQleS: Thanks for saying who you're targeting. If I was scum, I would make sure my scumbuddies used any necessary rage instead of me.

/me waits for xyl to reread...

What am I supposed to be rereading?

[Xylthixlm]

Good enough.

[Xylthixlm]

if anyone has any compelling reasons for or against any of those three players now is the time to tell me.

i don't consider xyl and seraphim's little man love thing they have going on between them to be compelling.

I did a reread on Seraphim. He's still town.

[Xylthixlm]

WLC: I'll join you on Walt as soon as I recharge. Hopefulyl we'll get Nuwen, too.

Some of the things Walt has said are really setting off alarm bells, particularly an early comment about power roles. Now he's encouraging the town to just lynch randomly which I find even worse. I was seriously considering the possibility that he's drunk every time he posts, but that would involve a

lot

of alcohol for that burst over the weekend...

[Xylthixlm]

Humor me.

[Xylthixlm]

Kinetic death >> tajo death >> Seraphim death

I know that Kinetic is actually smarter than this:

The more I think about it, the more I feel the best scum strategy is a highly aggressive one. Especially if they can make it look townie to be aggressive.

[Xylthixlm]

You know, just before I answered roflcopter's post, I was thinking about how hard Shinnen_no_Me had fought against concentrating fire. I remembered that some other people had taken the same stance... and lo, one of them is Kinetic.

I don't see any need to subvert the hurt/heal mechanism. Just try to concentrate your fire on people who are already hurt, rather than wearing everyone down at once. That will make it harder for scum to suddenly kill townies using secret damage.

Err... Wouldn't that help the scum? I mean, if we concentrate the fire on only one player, scum will surely take advantage of that. I don't know, that you suggest is really suspicious.

FoS: Xylthixlm

(what a complicated username...)

And FOS: Xylthixlm

Just try to concentrate your fire on people who are already hurt, rather than wearing everyone down at once. That will make it harder for scum to suddenly kill townies using secret damage.

Actually - he's already been fosed.

Vote:Xylthixlm

By making sure we're not spreading damage we can make it so rage dumps are few and far between. [...]

I don't see any need to subvert the hurt/heal mechanism. Just try to concentrate your fire on people who are already hurt, rather than wearing everyone down at once. That will make it harder for scum to suddenly kill townies using secret damage.

As several people have said, a fast-paced game helps the town even more than normal. Expect scum to try to slow it down by lurking.

Something about this post reeks.

FOS:Xyl

[Xylthixlm]

I'm backed by Xyl who hurt Drench last page.

You'll have to wait for WaltWishbone to die before I can give any more help with Drench. It shouldn't take too long.

[Xylthixlm]

I'm disturbed that no one has called out Walt on his uncalled for annoyance of ABR and spamminess.

Killing him doesn't count?

[Xylthixlm]

Walt isn't dead.

We can fix that within 24 hours if we all work together.

[Xylthixlm]

maybe i'll just use a random number generator to figure out which of the scum i'm gonna kill first

Original Roll String: 1d4

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

1. WaltWishbone
2. WaltWishbone
3. WaltWishbone
4. WaltWishbone

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# Drench - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage (2) Healed by: (0)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS (3) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic (1) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen (6) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 999.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

I hope it's not confusing anyone that the colors mean different things in the alive/dead sections...

[Xylthixlm]

Hell, quoted in your OWN POST TO NAIL ME TO THIS is the opposite of this....

Yes, I left it in because you contradicted yourself. You said we should concentrate damage, then called my post scummy for saying so.

[Xylthixlm]

I typically trust DGB, tajo.

Can you read DGB? I can't.

[Xylthixlm]

Best way to test an Ophan is have them try to hurt and prove they can't. That can prove they are an Ophan, but it can't prove they aren't. I doubt any of our claimed Ophans are totally lying though; it's more likely we have a scum Ophan. Still, it's worth doing the test.

[Xylthixlm]

Except that what I was advocating is

exactly what we're doing now

. It doesn't seem to be working so badly.

[Xylthixlm]

I do want more mislynches, ESPECIALLY ones with consensus.

Fixed.

[Xylthixlm]

...and quashing anyone who stands up against you as scummy and the next person on your list to kill.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

I'm sorry, but this doesn't fly with me. Too much power in the hands a of SMALL group of players is not how I play. I do want more consensus, ESPECIALLY on mislynches.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

We're never going to find scum if the dynamics make it easy for scum to hide under the skirts of a few players that make rash judgments with limited information. If those players contain scum, we're really fried.

Just look at how lurkers like Drench and Juls are getting free passes! What a disaster!

Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

[Xylthixlm]

Just look at how lurkers like Drench and Juls are getting free passes! What a disaster!

Oh, wait. [/sarcasm]

They're still alive.

Maybe

you

should be pressuring them to contribute, then.

[Xylthixlm]

-.- I'm really starting to question your alignment Xyl.

Does that mean you weren't questioning it before?

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# Drench - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage (2) Healed by: (0)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS (3) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Hoopla (1)
# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic (1) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim (9) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser (2) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 999.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

Yet, on the FIRST lynch, You, Fonz, Rofl, and ABR danced and claimed responsibly for killing Shinnen like it was all you guys.

I never claimed responsibility. It's obvious from all your talk of "your group", and confusion over who did what, that you've mentally lumped all of us together. That must be playing merry havoc on your ability to scumhunt, since there is

no

reason to believe we all share an alignment. Right?

[Xylthixlm]

I wonder if my performance in Mind Screw III has driven Kinetic a little paranoid.

[Xylthixlm]

Minor correction to Kinetic's post above: Juls's damage was before the damage tally. (2 damage + ABR, Seraphim, q21, Juls -> 6). There was no overdamage.

[Xylthixlm]

Where were you and your merry gang??

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic, DrippingGoofball? (3) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

I deny the existence of a merry gang, but if there was one the answer would be "Damaging Shinnen before you did".

I'm not quite sure why Kinetic is choosing this moment to go berserk and claim credit for the Shinnen lynch. From the ferocity I'd say it's been weighing on his mind for a while. I can't tell if it's because he's scum frustrated that his bus didn't work, or town frustrated that he's not being recognized. I'm leaning very slightly towards the former.

[Xylthixlm]

WTF? Finish off walt first!

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

Let's see.. the game started around this time on Wednesday last week, so ... stalling just long enough for your scumbuddy to get a rage point? Brilliant plan.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually, confirmations started Wednesday, the game started Friday. I have no idea when the rage points would be set at.

[Xylthixlm]

"before he lynches another townie"... hmm, nope. I was on the Shinnen lynch, but Shinnen was scum. I wasn't on the Hoopla lynch.

WaltWishbone: I'm the one who guessed you were drunk.

[Xylthixlm]

I have no doubt anymore Xyl is scum [...] With townies like him who needs to worry about scum?

Hey look, WaltWishbone knows I'm a townie. And scum. At the same time.

[Xylthixlm]

There's a pattern going on here somewhere, I can feel it. The scum are trying something. I'm just not sure what yet.

[Xylthixlm]

There's a pattern going on here somewhere, I can feel it. The scum are trying something. I'm just not sure what yet.

What sort of pattern?

I'm not sure! roflcopter and ABR going after Kinetic instead of Walt feels weird to me for some reason. Walt is completely blinded by OMGUS and tunnelvision, and chose a weird time to come out as a Seraph... particularly since, if he's a Seraph as he claims, it will take a little while longer to kill him. And now there's the threat of a heal/hurt war...

The scum can daytalk. That's important to keep in mind. This sort of pattern happens when the scum can daytalk.

Walt has been pushing the idea that roflcopter and Nuwen are confirmed for a while now, which doesn't fit with his Seraph claim - unless he was trying to set it up so that he would be "confirmed" when he claimed Seraph. His early concern with power roles does suggest he has one. (Although I don't think Seraphim should actually count as a power role, I guess he does.)

There's some weird stuff going on with roflcopter. It's nagging at me.

I need to think some more, try to pull out some connections here.

[Xylthixlm]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

[Xylthixlm]

Yes. Look back at his interactions and they do not match up with his claim especially when he was arguing back and forth with ABR. There's a high likelihood that he is scum or fakeclaiming.

We can prove he is a Seraphim, right?

We can prove that either he is a Seraphim OR one of the scum spent a rage point on me.

Actually, if scum spent a rage point of you, we would know since Wishbone's cool down wouldnt be the one from a Seraphim using his blade. We can test him.

That requires leaving him alive another day.

[Xylthixlm]

I have to work all day tomorrow and the next day so I dont think I will have time to get back on the computer before I get eliminated.

Why do I bet he won't be online between 24h and 36h from his post...

[Xylthixlm]

The biggest problem with leaving him alive is

we don't learn his alignment

.

That information is much more valuable than an extra one-third damage.

[Xylthixlm]

What would we learn from his alignment?

... you know, for scumhunting purposes. By looking for interactions?

[Xylthixlm]

I think people are overestimating the importance of Seraphim (the role, not the player).

A Seraph has 1/3 hp than a Cherub.
A Seraph does 1/3 more damage per day than a Cherub.

That is not much of a power role.

[Xylthixlm]

And we want to leave Walt alive why?

[Xylthixlm]

Walt is either scum or totally blinded by omgus. See the whole "before he lynches another townie" thing. I haven't lynched a townie so he must be talking about himself. That's omgus. He isn't even scumhunting past me - totally tunneled.

Either way I want him dead.

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

I'm not for keeping Walt alive if the consensus is he is scum. I'm thinking of the twenty different things he could do alive that he can't do when dead that would hurt us much more than it will help us.

So what, we might kill someone a little bit faster. Does that outweigh him building up rage points, dumping them, then also throwing his own damage on the heap.

Nonono, If you think Walt is scum there is NO way you can keep him alive, even as a puppet.

[Xylthixlm]

Also, Xyl what did you learn from Hoopla lynch other than she was town?

That the people on the Hoopla lynch were wrong.

From my iPhone

[Xylthixlm]

I haven't read the first game, but I'm guessing the two HUGE spikes in that graph are the result of discussion after the scum dumped a bunch of rage on some townies.

In that game the scum rage dump was week 4... let's try to have already won by then.

[Xylthixlm]

Alive

# Albert B. Rampage - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Nuwen,

Kinetic

(1)

# DrippingGoofball - Hurt by: Hoopla (1) Healed by: WeyounsLastClone/Cybelle (1)
# Giuseppe - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# Firestarter/Drench (-1 HP) - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, Albert B. Rampage (2) Healed by: (0)

# Juls - Hurt by: Xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser, vIQleS, DrippingGoofball (4) Healed by: zwetschenwasser (1)

# Kinetic - Hurt by: roflcopter, roflcopter

x2

, Juls (4) Healed by: Hoopla,

DrippingGoofball

(1)

# Nuwen - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Albert B. Rampage (1)
# populartajo - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: Tenchi (1)
# q21 - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: populartajo (1)

# roflcopter - Hurt by: Shinnen_no_Me

x2

, Hoopla (3) Healed by: DrippingGoofball, populartajo, Hoopla (3)

# Seraphim - Hurt by: roflcopter (1) Healed by: Shinnen_no_Me, populartajo (2)

# Tenchi - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)
# The Fonz - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: (0)

# vIQleS - Hurt by: Kinetic, populartajo (2) Healed by: WaltWishbone (1)

# WaltWishbone - Hurt by: DrippingGoofball, Xylthixlm, Nuwen, Xylthixlm, WeyounsLastClone, Nuwen

x2

, zwetschenwasser, q21, Seraphim, vIQleS (11) Healed by: vIQleS (1)

# WeyounsLastClone/Cybele (-1 HP) - Hurt by: (0) Healed by: q21 (1)

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone

x2

(4) Healed by: Juls,

Drench

(1)
# zwetschenwasser - Hurt by: q21, Seraphim, q21 (3) Healed by: (0)

Dead

# Shinnen_no_Me

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic,

DrippingGoofball

, Albert B. Rampage, Seraphim, q21, Juls, Xylthixlm, Nuwen

x2

, The Fonz, roflcopter

x2

(13) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

# Hoopla

- Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, roflcopter

x2

, WaltWishbone, Albert B. Rampage, WeyounsLastClone,

Juls

, Seraphim, Juls, WaltWishbone (9) Healed by: (0)

There has been no secret damage as of post 1347.

Corrections:

populartajo's hurt on vIQleS was missed in the last count. Nuwen's hurt on WaltWishbone was updated to be x2.

Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[Xylthixlm]

I feel like Kinetic is town, but not strongly enough to heal him instead of hurting someone else.

[Xylthixlm]

IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZERS

Hurt: WaltWishbone

Some flavor text mentioning a Golden Hammer. SQUEAK!

[Xylthixlm]

It tells the scum who is an Ophan, in case the town is trying to keep it secret.

Also, there may be other town roles which aren't listed in the second post.

[Xylthixlm]

From my iPhone

Is this one of those sayings that you atack on to any sentence - like "...in bed at night." or "...so's your face."?

I like it - from my iPhone...

It actually means I'm posting from my iPhone.

[Xylthixlm]

Viqles, what q21 is saying is true?

Sunday was definitely the day - I don't remember if it started right away. Hang on - I'll check...

Oh - you found it. nm...

I don't think I have a record of anything like that. We were just keeping track of it in our heads... (it wasn't a lot of numbers to figure out...)

But this means it's possible that the scum could have 8 ish* points to distribute soon - that's one person...

* Numbers quoted are estimates only and are subject to change without notice...

That just means we have to kill another scum by Sunday.

[Xylthixlm]

I hope Firestarter isn't going to try to read all 56 pages.