Mini 727 - Mafia in Standardville - Game Over

[Lowell]

vote artifex

[Lowell]

I like artifex or artem more as scum more than BSG right now. Lynx looks town.

[Lowell]

@panzer, I dont' really remember why I said that right now. My brain stopped working when the site crashed, TBH.

No doubt there's a great reason, though. I'll figure it out.

[Lowell]

Okay here's how the first 2 pages look to me.

9-11- the banter between artem and artifex makes me uneasy
30- charter's post is strange, he chides panzer, then votes with him
33- artem gives a speech about "how many votes is scummy" then unvotes artifex [what was the point?], then only FOSs charter [??]
35- BSG hits it RIGHT ON THE NOSE
38-40- more uncomfortable banter from artem and artifex

What I don't like is (a) the banter between

artem

and

artifex

, which seems to keep happening, and (b) the odd vote/unvote by artem on artifex. It's like he voted for artifex to set up a lecture about the nature of votes, then unvoted, only to FOS someone he said he was actually suspicious of. It looks like he was throwing a token "distancing" vote to a scumbuddy early, then just flimsily moving somewhere else. There's so much buddying here that I think at least one of them is scum.

Generally, I just think they're lazy as well. BSG was the random choice for a few votes at the beginning. Then, somehow, it became something one had to

explain

when they weren't voting for BSG. I think they're happy letting the initial pressure dictate what happens, which itself is very scummy.

BSG

has handled the pressure well, I think. Post 35 is exactly on the money and he seems to be payign attention genearlly.

Lynx

I just think is town because he's active and not trying to kiss ass.

One more. Despite

charter

's strange post 30, I think he's town as well. I like the fact that he's willing to take BSG up to L-2 just to see what happens. That strikes me as gutsy, and townish.

[Lowell]

Also, I will be on

V/LA until Wednesday morning

. Sorry all.

[Lowell]

Back. Trying to get caught up.

[Lowell]

From the top:

9- artifex votes Xdaamno for placing a 3rd vote on BSG [-, pointless]
10- artem votes artifex for taking on "easy target" [-, equally pointless]
12- danchaofan votes artem for taking on "easy target" [-, ditto]
29- panzer votes BSG, 4th vote
30- charter votes BSG, 5th vote [+]
33- artem unvotes artifex, FOSs charter [-, why just FOS?]
35- BSG votes artem [+, points out hypocrisy]
37- lynx votes artem for not voting
77- lowell summarizes, calls artem and artifex scummy, BSG and lynx town
91- panzer votes charter
94- panzer posts on all players, artem and charter are scummy
99- charter votes artem
100- artem leads w/ 4 votes
110- panzer votes artem
112- artem votes lowell for not explaining himself [-, lazy]
118- darox votes lynx, claims "paranoid gun owner" (kills those that target him) [+, good point]
119- master ruck votes artem for random targets [+]
124- panzer asks for artem to claim
127- artifex votes darox, doesn't believe claim
128- artem leads w/ 5 votes
134- master ruck calls lowell stupid [lowell cries]
137- artem defends lowell vote
142- charter calls MR scum, asks for artem claim
143- artem claims vanilla town
148- artem continues to defend MR and lowell cases [-, backtracking]
153- Xdaamo votes charter [-, lazy, distracting]
171- lynx votes xdaamo for jumping then abandoning artem wagon [+, very good]
182- dancha votes xdaamo
183- xdaamo gets angry...
184- panzer votes xdaamno
190- BSG FOSs xdaamno and MR
214- charter votes xdaamno
220- tubby votes lynx for reaction to darox claim, interaction with xdaamno

unvote, vote xdaamno, FOS artem

. I'm willing to lynch either one.

Xdaamo jumps on the artem wagon early, then abandons it in post 153 just as it's gaining steam for a very flimsy case on charter. This looks like derailment. His reactions to being called out for it (183 and others) don't do anything to help his defense.

artem has looked scummy throughout. The case on me in 112 is lazy and made just as pressure on him to do something is mounting. When called on that he spends a lot of time (137, 148) explaining himself. 148 in particular really looks like a case made in hindsight. He slapped a vote down when he was in trouble, then went back after the fact to justify it. His claim of vanilla town does nothing to make me think he shouldn't be the lynch.

I believe

darox

's claim, and find him to be pro-town. His claim was

not

made under duress, which makes it credible.

More town points for

charter

and

lynx

. Lynx has led the attack on xdaamno, and charter made a series of townish posts (99, 142, 214). As well, I'm leaning town for

artifex

and

panzer

, but both of those are more gut feelings than anything else.

[Lowell]

Where did 254 come from? Seriously.

I was just about to add MR to my town list. Scratch that.

[Lowell]

Geez these are some dense posts to navigate through.

[Lowell]

Xda is still fine with me, as is Artem if folks would rather go that direction. Honestly this game is starting to fall off my radar.

[Lowell]

This is a mistake.

Xda is avoiding lynch by threatening to hammer himself. Not smart.

[Lowell]

Xda is avoiding a lynch because attention has been moved to panzer and Xda had nothing to do with it. Threatening to hammer himself didn't matter too much as Artifex said she was willing to put the hammer down so the self hammer would, as Xda said himself, only serve to make his words the last of the day. You seem to be trying to draw attention away from panzer with that post.

I have literally no opinion on panzer. Nice try, though.

[Lowell]

I think it's mostly mediocre, honestly.

The L-2/L-3 thing doesn't do much for me, and the wanting to move the game along and early bandwagoning doesn't either. There's nothing particularly town about him, but the case just feels like a shot in the dark.

[Lowell]

I like 352 and 366. I still see connections between artem and xda, particularly the way artem is trying to see panzer as an alternative "wagon" when really it was just pulled out of the blue by one player. The way artem is asking everyone their opnion on panzer is odd... it's deflection.

[Lowell]

I'd be willing to jump ship from xda to artem if others are.

[Lowell]

charter has my attention with 424, and subsequent posts. I'll pass on artem for now, and won't ask what's going on.

[Lowell]

I think we need another vote on xda in the next 8 minutes. Just get it done, people.

[Lowell]

My bad on both counts. Artem's right, I misread the time. And others are right I just didn't read the deadline rules. Carry on.

[Lowell]

charter, I want some clarification on your comments yesterday about xda and artem.

[Lowell]

@lynx- I pushed for an artem wagon because I thought it was better than the Xda wagon, based on their interactions. I backed off at the end when charter came out with his "bet my life artem is town" bit. I assumed this meant he had some information he didn't want to reveal at the time.

@charter- had you hid behind scum you would have been killed? Is that how your role works?

[Lowell]

prod recieved. I've been neglecting this game.

[Lowell]

I'm still out for a bit. My classes are starting this week and I've been trying to put together class lists and lesson plans.

If there's a case against me I'm happy to address it. Otherwise try to be patient.

[Lowell]

I'm not sure what artem wants me to comment on. My lurking isnt' intentional, nor is it a strategy. I don't have that much of a footing in this game.

I'll try to do a post-by-post recap from the last time I really paid close attention, sometime next week.

Offhand I'll say I don't understand the lynx case, and I find artem's suspicion me a little (a) OMGUS, and (b) convenient. If there is something to the lynx case, however, I think artem is doing a great job of derailment.

[Lowell]

This is going to be a horrible statement to try to defend, but...

I don't actually think my content contribution is so much lower than some other players. I don't post as often but I have some posts that are pretty clear. Lynx and artem are looking for scapegoat.

[Lowell]

@artem- what makes me think it might be derailment is the fact that you're attack on me seems convenient and contrived. You're being vocal about it in order to not have to take a stance on lynx.

panzer and charter are behaving strangely. They both left the lynx wagon to vote... each other. panzer in particular looks strange. He seems annoyed that the lynx wagon faltered and hit back with an OMGUS on charter, now that he has cover with tubby's questioning of the claim.

[Lowell]

I agree.

unvote, vote panzer

. This is a better option than lynx.

[Lowell]

5 days until deadline. I'll go with you on this Artem, as a possibly confirmed town, but with the time left I question just how much will be accomplished with his posts being so rare. I know the votes have the intention of making him post, but my vote won't suddenly make him come online.

Unvote
Vote: Lowell

For when you next come on, Lowell, I'd like from you a summary of your thoughts on this game, but I'd like them to be as specific as possible. No being vague or diverting away from the point.

When you do this 5 days from deadline it looks a lot like derailment. Those are my most recent thoughts.

[Lowell]

from post 237

250- xda leads w/ 6 votes, lynch-1
254- master ruck complains about how bad he is [-, he doth protest too much]
257- master ruck says he'll keep his vote on xda "for now" [-, looks like coaching]
260- xda vote master ruck [+, good]
279- darox lays out lynx case [+, good, though flawed]
283- lynx responds
296- mr unvotes xda
302- tubby votes xda
306- artifex wants the day longer [-, avoiding hammer]
317- charter wants panzer dead instead
318- xda votes panzer
327- artem votes panzer
328- charter votes panzer
341- darox votes panzer
353- xda leads w/ 5 votes, panzer w/ 4
371- lowell accuses artem of deflection
387- artem votes xda
424- charter "bets his life" artem is town [!]
428- artem tries to link players together [-, terrible]
434- xda votes artem
464- xda lynched (lynx, dancho, panzer, lowell, tubby, artem), flips TOWN
465- afatchic NKed, townsperson
469- charter votes panzer
470- panzer votes charter
483- charter claims HIDER
485- lynx votes charter, doesn't believe claim
486- darox votes lynx
497- artem votes Lowell [-, based on links to players, bad reasoning]
514- panzer votes lynx
567- tubby votes lynx
568- charter votes lynx
571- artem lays out case against lowell
576- lynx votes darox
603- lynx leads w/ 4 votes
608- charter votes panzer
624- panzer votes charter
625- lowell calls out panzer for OMGUS and frustration over collapse of lynx wagon
628- lynx votes panzer [-, continues to set up future lowell vote]
634- charter expands panzer case [+, very thorough]
638- master ruck votes panzer
641- panzer votes lynx, "him or me"
669- tubby votes panzer
670- lowell votes panzer
694- MR unvotes, votes lowell, hopes artem joins [---, derailment like whoa]

@artem 571- there's another alternative to what you say: I'm telling the truth. You think my plan was to make up something after the fact to cover my ass, but first say "oh, wait, hold on, I'm not sure why I did that?" I assure you that if and when I make stuff up to cover my ass, you won't be able to tell.

Post 694 by

master ruck

is very very bad. This looks like textbook, almost-too-obvious derailment. Panzer is within a vote of being lynched. MR voted panzer just after the expansion of the case by charter in 634. When the wagon gained steam, he jumped onto the most obvious wagon (Lowell). Nothing really happend between 634 and 695 that should have made a difference, but he knows that he's insulated by the fact that (a) I dont' defend myself that often, and (b) artem's narrowminded pursuit of me.

FOS master ruck

In many many of his recent posts,

lynx

references/chides/admonishes/notices my lurking nature, without casting a vote. He, like ruck, looks like he's trying to set up an easy and safe vote on me later on.

FOS lynx

. He's fallen from town to scum very fast in my eyes.

The hider claim seems more believeable than the PGO claim. PGO in such a small game seems like a strange choice.

[Lowell]

I'll admit you guys do whine more than most games I'm in. So that's a plus I guess.

[Lowell]

vote dan

Anyone want to fess up to that second kill?

Case on dan soon.

vote dan

Shameless bandwaggoning. charter says "jump" I say "how high?"


Also, someone killed lynx? Why?

[Lowell]

I think tubby's claim is real. He's taking a big chance if he's an SK. Too big a chance, I think.

[Lowell]

Maybe he is and maybe he isn't. It would still be nice to know why he didn't think to target anyone like dan or you. Hell, I think even Darox would have been a fair vig even if his PGO claim IS true.

^^^ this is scummy.

Being a vig is retarded. Saying a vig should have done something else is even more retarded.

That's an equivocating statement you made.

[Lowell]

well to me i thought lynx had more scummy moments, like he was flying just a shade to far under the radar for my liking. like he was trying to hard to do just enough to be town


i diddn't want to kill lowell or art due to panzer's post i wanted to see how they reacted,


although now in hindsight i should have shot lowel he was on my list it was either him or lynx i chose lynx.

although now in hindsight i may have just single handly won the game for the scum, i'd glady go to the gallows for my actions but i am not sure how close to lylo we are,

will re-read and post thoughts on dan,lowell and art

I have a question for you. Why didn't you use your powers on N1?

[Lowell]

i only have one shot, i diddn't want to burn it with nothing to go on

This is a strange response. In minis, most one-shot vigs I've seen (myself included) use their kill on N1, since the odds of dying either N1 or D2 are so high.

Whatever. I don't know what to make of it, if anything.

[Lowell]

771 and 772 have convinced me, if I werent' already voting.

771 is pretty self-explanatory, and 772 is the same stuff I've seen all game. I've explained what I can from that.

[Lowell]

Massclaim sounds fine. Let's do something.

[Lowell]

vanilla, lowell?

COUNTERCLAIM!

Vanilla!

Darox next (or feeko if dar has already gone, I forget)

[Lowell]

I'm happy to claim now, but I see the consencus is to wait for freeko to claim targets so I shall wait unless it changes and I am asked by all to claim before that.

^^^ scummy.

MR should claim, THEN folks can go back and tell us their targets.

[Lowell]

Dammit. Fix that,

mod

?

Triple post cleaned up

[Lowell]

I say freeko is telling the truth anyway.

[Lowell]

^^^ This argument tires me. I have no idea what SPECIFICALLY Dan wants me to address, and feel like we've been down this road before.

[Lowell]

Prod received. Waiting for dan to die.

[Lowell]

The important thing is I'm alive.

Charter, did you hide behind me per MR's suggestion?

[Lowell]

charter, you're doing so well! Don't blow it by lynching the wrong guy.

[Lowell]

chater is supertown.

[Lowell]

Ok, we will see which one of you changes after I reveal a plan resulting in guarenteed town win later today. I'll give you some time to sweat about it and plan your squirming.

I reserve the right to change my mind if your plan is retarded.

[Lowell]

I know, let's all sit around talking about charter more.

C'mon, out with it so I can lynch someone.

[Lowell]

wait. THAT's the brilliant plan?

people need to pay more attention. Here's why that plan doens't work.

IT'S RETARDED. If there's two scum left than it DOES matter the order we try to lynch.

FTR, I believe there's only one scum remaining. I believe charter so that leaves freeko and MR. More likely to be MR in my opinon, as he's the one being so eager to curry town-favor lately.

FOS MR

[Lowell]

Oh, I forgot about that.

And you're wrong, if I were

scum

I would have remembered that. Town is far more likely to be careless. Take your vote off.

[Lowell]

I'll

vote freeko

[Lowell]

^^^^ makes less sense than me

[Lowell]

Ha. Freeko is scum, and he's alone.

1) The only way MR could be scum is if freeko is lying. In which case they'd BOTH be scum. They've BOTH had the opportunity to hammer me for the win, which they haven't done.

2) If only one of MR or freeko is scum, it has to be freeko (as charter said and I now agree with), unless there are some strange mechanics we're not understanding.

lynch freeko today.

^^^ remember this if I'm dead.

[Lowell]

If charter is who he says he is then we're fine. If not we'll lose anyway. See post 948.

Goodbyyyeeee cruel world!

[Lowell]

woo hoo charter i am so noming you for a scummy , best town play,,,

Ditto this.

[Lowell]

Good job, Charter.

Thanks for modding, Llama.

Nice playing with you all. Very enjoyable game.

Lowell needs to be more pro-town.

Yeah I can barely believe I was town, either.