I would definitely look into all of them more clsoely, but if I used meta on the first player and seen that they posted before the lynch was finalized, I could assume that they are scum. It isn't always definite, it is just something to go by.Kmd4390 wrote:Putting aside the fact that that wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't look at the people who quicklynched before you COULD remove your random vote? (I love it when I can use the same word twice in a row and still have it be grammatically correct. Even better when I can do it twice in one sentence.)
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Well assuming a lynch happens, it's either a quicklynch or he's dumb enough to keep his jokevote on for as long as it usually takes for a lynch.Tuberkulos wrote:
Who mentioned anything about a quicklynch?Kmd4390 wrote:
Putting aside the fact that that wasn't directed at you, you wouldn't look at the people whoZEEnon wrote:If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him.quicklynchedbefore you COULD remove your random vote? (I love it when I can use the same word twice in a row and still have it be grammatically correct. Even better when I can do it twice in one sentence.)KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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That was your only reason?ZEEnon wrote:
Actually yes, it is. I can't sayTuberkulos wrote:Leaving a vote on someone that you don't want lynched, isn't always dumb. Duh.alwayssince it is possible they may be scum, but for the most part if you don't want them lynched and they get lynched, all of your motives will be in question .
If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him. I have seen scum be the first person to vote someone, with the other scum following at the end of the bandwagon.Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.
That was the only reason. I clearly stated that in my post, so you should have been able to read it.Empking wrote:ZEEonn: Wht was your reason to unvote other than the end of the RVS.
Its such a dum reason I can only presume you're lying.
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No and no, but what is a possible good reason of keeping a vote from the rvs on someone? Keeping a random vote on someone is just silly...Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.Not a dayvig.-
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I usually leave my random vote until I have a real reason to vote. I vote for real pretty quickly though.ac1983fan wrote:
No and no, but what is a possible good reason of keeping a vote from the rvs on someone? Keeping a random vote on someone is just silly...Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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This is a good post.Kmd4390 wrote:
I usually leave my random vote until I have a real reason to vote. I vote for real pretty quickly though.ac1983fan wrote:
No and no, but what is a possible good reason of keeping a vote from the rvs on someone? Keeping a random vote on someone is just silly...Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.-
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That's your only reason for voting me? It's such a dumb reason I can only presume you are scum.Empking wrote:
That was your only reason?ZEEnon wrote:
Actually yes, it is. I can't sayTuberkulos wrote:Leaving a vote on someone that you don't want lynched, isn't always dumb. Duh.alwayssince it is possible they may be scum, but for the most part if you don't want them lynched and they get lynched, all of your motives will be in question .
If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him. I have seen scum be the first person to vote someone, with the other scum following at the end of the bandwagon.Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.
That was the only reason. I clearly stated that in my post, so you should have been able to read it.Empking wrote:ZEEonn: Wht was your reason to unvote other than the end of the RVS.
Its such a dum reason I can only presume you're lying.
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Well, I like to unvote generally on page 2 and save my real vote for when I find someone really scummy. Which generally takes a while.Kmd4390 wrote:
I usually leave my random vote until I have a real reason to vote. I vote for real pretty quickly though.ac1983fan wrote:
No and no, but what is a possible good reason of keeping a vote from the rvs on someone? Keeping a random vote on someone is just silly...Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.Not a dayvig.-
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My, tons of posts... And the worst, I'm still a bit busy. I know that some people asked some things to me, so I'll try to answer them. Tell me if I skipped something.
Well, I've received a townie feeling from him. So, for now, I believe he's townie. For now. It's just a guessing, but a good portion of deduction work is based on guesses.Tuberkulos wrote:
So you also think that Kmd is more likely town than scum?Magus wrote:I believe the most likely is the second option (an early bandwagon pushed by mafia). However, I do not think the point of the bandwagon is a quick lynch, but to draw attention to some place by pressuring one player.
First, I feel that you are making a great mess of this issue. But well, that's your way to investigate, can't help it. Second, it's not that this "something" is something concrete. It's more like actions and reactions that leads us out of the rvs. The rvs, for me, need to be at least somewhat long (around 3 pages or so), because chances are that the reactions of people towards the random votes wouldn't give us enough info to start a proper discussion (that's what I, at least, believe).Tuberkulos wrote:
You said here that we need "something" before getting serious. I guess this "something" that you are talking about would lead us to information, right? So is it the length of the rvs in pages that matters, or the information we could gain from it? Or maybe it is both?Magus wrote:However, the RVS is important, as it lets us start with the game properly, and rushing it when we have not yet something to start with is not good, imo.
Could you also give me a concrete example of what this "something" could be?
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And also, could you please explain me why are you voting for me? I mean, you are asking me some question, but you have not stated the reasons of your votes (obviously, because you find me scummy, but why?)
First, if a person gets called for a bandwagon he didn't want to follow (let's say, because he really have reasons to vote for someone), he might look scummy in front of the town, even if he's a town and his reasons were good enough to vote for that person (although in the end such person resulted a townie). The point is not the fear of being lynched, but the fear that the town will loss another member, hence, giving more advantage to mafia. This is a game where townies have to do everything in order to the town to win, and put yourself in a wrong spot (and hence giving an advantage to the mafia) due to someone's else actions is not a good thing. Second, I've already said why I don't like halfway to the lynching when there's no good reasons for it.Kmd4390 wrote:
Why do you care if you get called out for bandwagoning?Magus wrote: with Kmd at L-3, voting for him becomes difficult (not that I'm saying that we should all vote for him, just saying that in case of a vote against him), due to the likely assumption of such vote being a bandwagon
Why wouldn't they? What's so scary about L-3?Magus wrote:You're right. However, if you see, no person that voted for you have withdrawn his vote. Why would they want to have a person at L-3, if the all of those votes were done in the rvs?-
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If you want people to spell it right pick a smpler username.ZEEnon wrote:
That's your only reason for voting me? It's such a dumb reason I can only presume you are scum.Empking wrote:
That was your only reason?ZEEnon wrote:
Actually yes, it is. I can't sayTuberkulos wrote:Leaving a vote on someone that you don't want lynched, isn't always dumb. Duh.alwayssince it is possible they may be scum, but for the most part if you don't want them lynched and they get lynched, all of your motives will be in question .
If I was another player and I saw 'ZEEnon' not take off his random vote and perhaps the amount of votes needed for a lynch accumulated, I would definitely be on him. I have seen scum be the first person to vote someone, with the other scum following at the end of the bandwagon.Kmd4390 wrote:
Was afat in danger of being lynched? Would you have blamed ZEEnon if afat WAS lynched?ac1983fan wrote:Umm, because it's dumb to leave a random vote on someone who you don't want lynched? Duh.
That was the only reason. I clearly stated that in my post, so you should have been able to read it.Empking wrote:ZEEonn: Wht was your reason to unvote other than the end of the RVS.
Its such a dum reason I can only presume you're lying.
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Gonna steal a line from Caboose here.[s]Magus[/s] Shin wrote:First, if a person gets called for a bandwagon he didn't want to follow (let's say, because he really have reasons to vote for someone), he might look scummy in front of the town, even if he's a town and his reasons were good enough to vote for that person (although in the end such person resulted a townie). The point is not the fear of being lynched, but the fear that the town will loss another member, hence, giving more advantage to mafia. This is a game where townies have to do everything in order to the town to win, and put yourself in a wrong spot (and hence giving an advantage to the mafia) due to someone's else actions is not a good thing. Second, I've already said why I don't like halfway to the lynching when there's no good reasons for it.
A well reasoned vote is NOT a scumtell.
If you think someone is scum, you have no reason not to vote them. And in the RVS, you have no reason not to vote ANYONE unless it's a hammer.KMD is the coolest dude who ever lost a bet to me - vonflare-
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My vote was simply to give you some pressure.Shinnen wrote:And also, could you please explain me why are you voting for me? I mean, you are asking me some question, but you have not stated the reasons of your votes (obviously, because you find me scummy, but why?)
To me it seems like your reaction on Empking's question was quite sufficient for this rvs to end. Also, it's not the quantity that matters but the quality.Shinnen wrote:It's more like actions and reactions that leads us out of the rvs. The rvs, for me, need to be at least somewhat long (around 3 pages or so), because chances are that the reactions of people towards the random votes wouldn't give us enough info to start a proper discussion (that's what I, at least, believe).
Also, are there any specific posts from Kmd that made you read him as a townie?
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The title has been fixed, and now includes the current deadline. Regarding deadlines and extensions, see the following from the first post:
3) Deadlines are automatically set as two weeks for each Day Phase, and three days for each Night Phase. ONE extension of one week is allowed if the majority of players request it in-thread by posting "Deadline: Extend". No Undeadlines.
4) If no majority is reached by deadline, no lynch occurs and night begins. If no night actions are received by deadline, they are not used. (In case of compulsive actions, a random player will be targeted.)
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