Elmo wrote: Loosely, getting people lynched is persuading other people, and generally (imo) the best way to do that is to talk directly to potential voters. I would have thought that you would have taken that opportunity, conversing with FL, to try and get her vote on Yos2 instead of talking about BM. I don't currently take issue with you case on Yos, but it seems odd to me that you talked about something essentially tangental. If I were you, I think Yos2 would have been uppermost in my mind, and I would definitely have tried to persuade her to vote Yos, if you see what I mean. Do you follow roughly my train of thought? Basically, you don't seem to have actively sought a wagon on him, and you can contrast that with what Des did by e.g. asking people to comment on his case, and this is especially noticeable in the subject you chose to talk about with FL. I'm curious why you didn't do that.
You're over-complicating things. FL made a post which, in my view, was scummy (or, more accurately, needed to be examined very closely) for the way it attacked DGB. Yos was my priority, sure, but I wasn't going to let myself get blind-sided when FL was also potential scum. I don't see "attacking FL" and "building Yos's lynch" as mutually exclusive, and my assumption was that FL would be reading up and come to grips with the case on Yos anyway, but at that time I was interested in scratching the DGB attack.
Elmo wrote:
Volk, assuming FL is scum, what's her motive for saying essentially "DGB OMGUSsed"? If there is a consensus on what OMGUS means, it seems silly to misrepresent what she was doing in an attempt to make a case on her. Offhand, I'd agree that her stance is probably incorrect, but I don't see the leap between "bad logic" and "scum". Yes, it's harder to present good logic as scum, but I really don't think bad logic alone is indicative of much. And I don't currently draw much more than that from what you referenced.
The start of this might sound repetitive, but I need it to explain my position clearly:
The word "OMGUS" refers to a specific action (attacking somebody because they are attacking you), which is scummy for a specific reason (it's an argument which totally ignores the prospect of town reasonably suspecting town and is also unfalsifiable). Outside of that specific action, the word "OMGUS" has no application - other than as an emotive label.
Now, what's scummy about FL's misuse of the term. Consider that FL only raised three discernible objections to DGB:
1) "OMGUS"
2) No reasons
3) Too certain
2) is false, as I have explained and faulted FL for already. 3) is consistent with DGB's meta and, more importantly, isn't scummy, as I have said already. I say this to make it clear that the OMGUS point is not the only reason I have for suspecting FL for her attack.
Dealing with 1) specifically, FL seems to have applied the label "OMGUS" for the simple reason that DGB voted BM who was voting her. FL actually said:
FL wrote:
Blatent OMGUS anyone?
Imagine if she had said:
FL wrote: Blatant voting for the person voting for you
"Blatant OMGUS" sounds somewhat plausible as a reason for suspicion but, if FL had been honest and used the correct language, it should have been clear that what she was attacking was not at all scummy (ie. there's nothing wrong with voting for the person voting for you, provided you aren't committing OMGUS in the proper sense of the term).
If FL knew the actual meaning of "OMGUS" then this simply was a blatant strawman.
If FL did not know the actual meaning of the term, her actions are still scummy because the way she has applied the term is so broad that it doesn't cover scummy actions. It would mean that we would have to fathom town-FL attacking somebody for something which, if she gave a moment's thought to it, she would see was not at all scummy. In that sense, her actions aren't consistent with somebody genuinely trying to work out who is scum. In contrast, they are consistent with scum wanting to take an easy-street swipe on another player.
Rofl wrote: nope, can't put my finger on it right now, but elmo is definitely scum, and this vollkan wagon seems to have stopped short of the lynch i was hoping for
unvote, vote: elmo
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