Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[dahill1]

did it specifically say "the mod is a player in the game"?
if you can, please write exactly how it was given to you.
i'm just curious on this subject because I received the role w/ alice's note last game and i know there's a lot of trickery involved in it.

vote Empking

for always looking scummy from what i've read

[dahill1]

Regarding the votes. Im thinking scum had to send some fixed votes and FOSes to people for confirming.

Why assume scum first with that type of power?

2nding dis
damn so much crossposting already

[dahill1]

Didnt' you die doing that last time?

No, actually, I died because I posted within the first 17 posts. If 17 posts had passed before I did that, I also would have died. Essentially, I just wanted to misdirect people so if they decided to lynch Tar I wouldn't get lynched (Wasn't sure if votes for Tar counted as votes for me)

MS 1, Tarhalindur was a role in the game
MS 2, Tarhalindur was both a role in the game and he was a player (Chairman Mao). I think he was town aligned though, or at least self aligned
MS 3. I would not be surprised if Tarhalindur were scum.

in MS 2, the role name Tarhalindur was also a role (NatirashaSK)

[dahill1]

Mod it says there are 3 votes and FoS's on you is this correct?

Yes. Yes it is. - Tar

[dahill1]

forbiddan can you write in who you're quoting?
sorry if it's just me, but it is MUCH easier to read and follow the game that way

[dahill1]

Regarding the votes. Im thinking scum had to send some fixed votes and FOSes to people for confirming.

Why assume scum first with that type of power?

When something strange happens, the first thing I think is scum.

why? especially considering Mind Screw 2

p.s. I already suggested this in the sign-up but everybody should read Mind Screw and Mind Screw II

[dahill1]

forbiddan can you write in who you're quoting?
sorry if it's just me, but it is MUCH easier to read and follow the game that way

I'll try, but don't expect me to remember all the time.

FL just lost a FOS and somehow transmited it to Tarh.

I don't think that's what happened, but we'll see.

the quote tool at the upper right corner of the post is very helpful you know

The Second Vote Count (aka the "Every FoS Has an Equal And Opposite..." Vote Count)

hmm...

FoS: Empking

as a test

[dahill1]

[quote="TehVariable"]forbiddanlight seems really interested in the set up...while that's ok for now, if it continues it might be suspicious./quote]
how is being interested in the setup relate to scumminess?

[dahill1]

forbiddanlight seems really interested in the set up...while that's ok for now, if it continues it might be suspicious.

how is being interested in the setup relate to scumminess?

[dahill1]

LOGON: the quote tool at the upper right corner of the post is very helpful you know

Identification not recognized by system
--Connection Terminated—

boo at PRs
if you have to talk like this mention the word 'mind' in your next post

[dahill1]

Just for kicks,

FoS: Everybody including myself

to see if it does as I expect it to.

:10bux: you will end up FoSing "Everybody including myself"

[dahill1]

i'm assuming for now that this post:

Vote: Tar
FOS: Tar

I suggest we wagon this to an actual majority, since in the lat two games there was information available to the players if they did so.

Let's try it, shall we?

Unvote: Context
Vote: Tarhalindur
FoS: Tarhalindur

I actually have to start talking now.

Don't lynch him, you'll lynch me if you do.

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Knowing what to expect, I'm wary of policy-lynching qwints just because of his post restriction.

i agree. the PR is that it seems like he can only mimic others. i'm not very skeptical of it atm, since qwints is relatively new and i don't think he'd have the ballz to fake this kind of PR (no offense to qwints). either way, this type of PR can still express their suspicions i guess through echoing others peoples' thoughts. definitely shouldn't be lynched just for the PR, maybe vigged at the most

[dahill1]

If you're talking about Lain,
Didn't Tar say the last time that he only had Lain "die"
because of the Mini Theme queue?

it was part of lain's role

Also, there is an ability out there that is presumably from scum
that is really annoying me.
Can't elaborate. Sorry.

can't elaborate due to role? or just don't want to?

Don't expect me to say much.
Not my style. Not this game.

i see no reason not to lynch you if you plan on not participating..

[dahill1]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

[dahill1]

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Brilliant observation.

I don't know who Tar channels, but I hope we'll have enough material to make a collective decision on that player's alignment. We might still need to lynch "Tar" at some point but it would be wise to lay off.

Yeah, the Tar bandwagon was a joke. Why do we need to waste our D1 lynch on it?

i don't think some of the other people on the wagon share your opinion.

[dahill1]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

nope, but lots of interesting information has been coming in the past page which can definitely help us. also, like half the people haven't even checked in yet

[dahill1]

Still say Tar or his channeler is scum

why? and on that note, when have you previously mentioned you thought he/she was scum?

[dahill1]

Stop focusing on how he possibly could be useful in the future and start focusing on how he definitely isn't being useful now.

useless people in such a large game like this don't need to be lynched. hopefully, there's some sort of vig to off him. no need to waste a lynch

Do you have a better lynch candidate right now?

Yes.

FL has been trying to get the mod lynched for real, which I find to be pretty scummy, considering that it will probably waste the D1 lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Forbiddanlight

do you think the person posting via Tar is town, and if so why?

[dahill1]

forbiddanlight seems really interested in the set up...while that's ok for now, if it continues it might be suspicious.

how is being interested in the setup relate to scumminess?

Information Instead of Analysis. But now I see pretty much everyone is doing it, which is understandable. She just seemed to lead it off.

Um...hmm...from what I recall from skimming MS 2, there was a similar role to the apparent one that is speaking through the mod now. But there are differences it seems. I guess we should probably pay close attention to what they say.

Also, if forbiddanlight claiming the mod is a player is true, then it's possible Tar is using MS 2 to, for all intents and purposes mind screw us.

Either way...not entirely sure we should be voting the mod even if the history shows it yielding information. Even if the supposed dead mod speaking person is Tar himself, it probably is a waste of a D1 lynch.

Not sure what to make of qwints' apparent post restriction...and attempting to guess the role probably won't help us. I guess we'll garner what information we can from what he says.

good answer. i wasn't sure what you meant at first by being interested in the setup but now i see, so thanks for elaborating. on that note

small FoS: FL

for the whole analyzing the mod VCs thing. in the first game, one of the mafia just made large posts consisting of mod analysises(?), and kinda just floated by until endgame. it's fine if you include your mod VC observations with some actual content, but posts with just the flavor speculation aren't good

@person talking via Tar: answer my questions

@caboose: why on earth are you trusting someone that easily this early?

[dahill1]

another question for tar-person:
1) why do you plan on keeping your votes secret? how does this benefit the town?

also, you can't honestly expect us to trust you enough for some of us to character claim based on your word alone, can you? for all we know, your WC could be "kill all characters from this show, etc."

@caboose: why on earth are you trusting someone that easily this early?

I always trust the mod.

what does this mean? do you think that person who is making the posts via Tar (excluding the VCs and such), is actually Tar?

[dahill1]

It could be, it could not be. I'm not sure yet. I guess that's where the mind-screw comes in.

.....

so you think that the Mod (knows all the roles + sent them out to the players) is actually going to play and scumhunt with us?

.....

the person making those posts with tar is obviously not him, and i don't think you are this dense.

unvote vote caboose

qwints' PR is still beyond what I can see so far though, though I have some ideas. I agree that leaving him alive is probably the best thing that can be done right now.

woah woah. never said i wanted him alive, necessarily. just that we shouldn't waste the lynch on him

[dahill1]

I'm here. I also like the idea of lynching Tar.

vote: Tarhalindur, fos: Tarhalindur

care to explain why?

(i feel like i've been asking this so many times
explaining is good people!)

[dahill1]

the person making those posts with tar is obviously not him, and i don't think you are this dense.
unvote vote caboose

What's with the vote?

i think you are bluffing in expressing doubt that Tar isn't being controlled by someone. also, you blatantly trust that person for no real reason. i think there's a possibility that Tar (the player) is scum and you're trying to redirect the lynch. this is because of Tar's additional WC which seems uncommon for town, his avoidance of my questions, hiding his votes for no reason (incredibly easy way to "accidentally" hammer btw since there are so many hidden votes going around), and asking for an unwarranted character claim

[dahill1]

actually that last post just made me realize that i want a Tar lynch more than a caboose one

unvote vote tar

[dahill1]

So, pretty much, you think that I'm Tar/person-hiding-behind Tar's scumbuddy?

it's a possibility. but (see my last post) i just realized why that probably doesn't deserve a vote, and moved my vote to tar

[dahill1]

I don't know. Three-quarters gut, one-quarter random vote.

have you been reading the last 4 pages?
also, this:

I don't know. Three-quarters gut, one-quarter random vote.

So you want to lynch Tar* on a

gut

?
Seriously?

Unvote
Vote: BlakAdder

*or person behind Tar

[dahill1]

LOGON: I always trust the mod

Identification not recognized.
--Connection terminated

Connection terminated. How rude!

i'm not sure whether you're saying you agree or disagree with that statement

[dahill1]

another question for tar-person:
1) why do you plan on keeping your votes secret? how does this benefit the town?

Voting in thread takes *space*. *Space* is limited near-term and far-term. If I cannot vote privately, I WILL NOT VOTE.

Unvote

.

also, you can't honestly expect us to trust you enough for some of us to character claim based on your word alone, can you? for all we know, your WC could be "kill all characters from this show, etc."

Revealing reason negates request.

List all questions in one post, please. DO NOT EXPECT ME ANSWER FURTHER QUESTIONS PROMPTLY. Already lost great deal of *space*, and this is first real-life day. No *space*, no answers.

Notes on role given strength of wagon: I am Sagara Sousuke. Wincon: survivor-town (town must win and I must survive). Ultimate gives latent abilities, condition: <4 scum left. One other ability, one drawback from other player. Cannot elaborate.

Cannot defend effectively. Too little *space*. Finite.

hm
ok i can understand you not having enough space, but you must realize from out point of view that this is something scum could easily hide behind. also, you don't need to vote in thread but you can at least tell us who you are voting for. that being said, i believe the claim enough for now to

unvote

. i'm anxious to hear what the people who haven't checked in yet have to say

[dahill1]

I think we've gotten the mod to "speak" quite a bit. I'm done pressuring him, so

unvote: Tarhalindur, un-FoS: Tarhalindur,

and

vote: Caboose

for voting qwints for his post restriction.

1)Xyl is voting qwints for the PR not caboose
2)explain why you think it's scummy

[dahill1]

I know you've already unvoted.. but:

actually that last post just made me realize that i want a Tar lynch more than a caboose one

unvote vote tar

care to explain why?

taste of your own medicine :p

i believe these were my main points:

this is because of Tar's additional WC which seems uncommon for town, his avoidance of my questions, hiding his votes for no reason (incredibly easy way to "accidentally" hammer btw since there are so many hidden votes going around), and asking for an unwarranted character claim

Vote:Quints

Are you allowed to respond when someone votes you depending on what they say. If so, please respond to bananas.

Fos:Quints

Are you allowed to respond when someone FOSes you depending on what they say. If so, please respond to apples.

Bugger...

That's me.

>>

what do you mean by this?

:words:

Vote: Caboose

what makes you so sure that scum can't have PRs?

Dahill, what do you think of Xyl voting someone as he has a powerrole which could be useless later on?

unless i'm wrong, neither qwints nor xyl has claimed a power role so i'm a little confused by this question.

Claim; Survivor

Vote: FL

Vote: Caboose

seriously this is why i voted you first. i knew would do something so fucking stupid like this.. *sigh*
btw, i say you full claim

[I don't think Pop wants me to claim.

FoS: All the people that posted before page 5, for making five pages of uselessness

so you won't because populartajo doesn't want you to? and explain why you think the first 5 pages are uselessness.

Survivor claim is utterly stupid and I am perfectly willing to lynch Empking for it.

agreein' wit dis

We're going to lynch a claimed survivor D1? Really?

is this sarcastic? think about this question carefully..

Id rather lynch scum today, right?

how do you know he's not scum

vote:stef

empking is, from my understanding being victimized, plus his role is mentioned in my pm, as being a good person, i vote for stef simply through there severe dis like of empking, for no real reason

you should probably elaborate on this because i reallllly want to lynch empking right now

OK. So the people who thought I was faking are correct - I was trying to activate my ultimate.

....

How exactly is he mentioned in your PM?

i am told he his character (i cant remember how to spell it ) is a person i can talk to out side of the game chat, and him only, i doubt the host would allow a townie to talk with a mafia person in confidence

does it say in your role pm that he is confirmed town?

Things don't add up on this end. Especially if we're taking it that Empking is survivor.

QFT

TO END:

Vote Empking

for claiming survivor d1 with NO REASON AT ALL and then apparently is a mason with someone (which he conviently left out)

@all the people voting for caboose: i can understand your vote for him, but any reason you chose him over the other people voting for qwints because of his PR?

FoS: qwints

for faking the PR

argh this game takes a lot out of me i'll have to reread again

[dahill1]

empking are you a mason with aries?
and if so, why didn't you tell us you were a mason?

[dahill1]

i re read my role pm, and it specifics that i can only speak outside of the thread with him if i find out who he is, however he admitted he was shanki earlier, so its more i could chat outside with him if i wanted, but i cant presently, im not sure if its known as a mason connection, as in theory i have to choose him to speak to him

first off who is shanki? second you can talk at all times with him?

[dahill1]

I claimed survivor to get my ultimate. I said that before.

Yes, I am a mason with Aeris. I didn't say so because I didn't want to out him/her.

why didn't you just claim mason and leave out who the partner was?
also, think about the logistics of claiming survivor d1, EVEN if it gives you a 1 shot NK immune. what about the many other nights that this game will have?

[dahill1]

wait i'm a little confused

which of the following is true:

A) Aries and Empking are masons together but only if Aries finds out Empking's role name?

B) Aries is a searching mason looking for that particular role name?

[dahill1]

I'm a survivor. I know that a role is looking to be a mason with me. I kept that secret. My ultimate is that when I claim I get a one shot NK immunity.

SO WHY DIDN'T YOU POST THIS ORIGINALLY AND NOT INCLUDE ARIES?

[dahill1]

i think A is probably the better description, my target has been processed anyway, it said it will resolve at an appropriate time, i dont know whether im getting feedback or not, is that approval or not? im not sure if i can talk to him out of chat yet or whether i need to wait to find out if hes telling the truth....

Wait.

confirm vote: empking

[dahill1]

Dahill, Do you think I'm scum?

If yes, do you think A7 is my scum buddy?

yes i do think you're scum, but no aries isn't necessarily you're scum buddy.

[dahill1]

So do you think Aeris is a seeking mason for a scum?

well i'm still unclear on whether he is searching or not and would still like some clarification. but yes it is possible

[dahill1]

I claimed survivor to get my ultimate. I said that before.

Yes, I am a mason with Aeris. I didn't say so because I didn't want to out him/her.

SO why did you say that populartajo in particular wouldn't want you to claim???

He was the only one that made it clear, that he didn't want me to claim.

so? wasn't the reason you claimed in the first place to get your ultimate? why would you listen to just one person if you would have received the ultimate?

[dahill1]

So do you think Aeris is a seeking mason for a scum?

I think Aries is a variation on the "traitor" role with a role PM worded to sound like a seeking mason.

i am infact, the towns psychologist

so empking is the SK?
empking if you're the SK, then i think it would be in yours and the town's best interests of admitting it since aries is the psychologist.

[dahill1]

IMO, aries should claim his full role (excluding ultimate) to clear this up

[dahill1]

IMO, aries should claim his full role (excluding ultimate) to clear this up

With his experience I think he's going to get himself mod-killed if he does this. He will mess it up.

he probably won't get modkilled unless he c/p's the exact text or quotes the role PM. either way, he should probably run the claim through the mod before posting it

also, who's alt are you?

[dahill1]

What I don't get is how you only have an ultimate, but no ability in a game where everyone has abilities.

not everyone has abilities, but everyone does have an ultimate which isn't necessarily an ability

[dahill1]

don't have much time to post
but apparently we lynched the jester and all of the other jesters automatically lost?

[dahill1]

how can I make something of nothing. I looked back saw Emp is dead, cuz he claimed "survivor" apparently. What other ppl? Apparently jesters.

empking was lynched and he was a jester
everyone who else died were jesters who lost because they weren't lynched

[dahill1]

What!? Empking wasn't a jester or the game would be over, wth.
Is the game over?

nah, jesters typically don't end the entire game. especially in a large theme

(and definitely not in a game called Mind Screw)

[dahill1]

my thoughts on lynching Tar:

personally, i don't want to lynch Tar solely on whether it could give us info or not because it leads into WIFOM. And Kairyuu, there are possible downsides. Some off the top of my head: 1) nothing happens and we waste a lynch, 2) there is some sort of punishment for lynching him, etc.

i think we should decide whether or not to lynch Tar based on our analysis of the person posting via Tar, since he said he'll die if we lynch Tar. this seems like the best option since it we can actually scumhunt instead of just taking a chance.

anyway, that's my 2 cents on the matter

[dahill1]

hrn...these deaths are confusing. Aries and forbiddanlight were not paragons of towniness. And as per usual Mind Screw practice, the role names tell very little.

Also...in the rush to kill empking, very little information could be garnered :S. I think right now I just have to wait for the rush of posts.

i find this post to be scummy. how about instead of waiting for others to posts cases for you to follow, you do one yourself? active lurking ftw..

FoS: TehVariable

also FoS at all of the people making these types of posts..

Wait, so was Empking a Jester and a Supersaint?
Oh wait, that's right, Mind Screw...

scum tend to overplay this type of mindset. "aah i'm soooo confused guys.." and just glide along as such through the game. also

FoS: BlakAdder

for that opportunistic vote on Tar. who do you think is scum atm?

finally,

vote qwints

for faking the PR. question: how long were you planning on doing that and how did it benefit the town? faking this type of unreadable PR is straight anti-town

[dahill1]

Have StrangerCoug, Electra or Vi been on at any point in this game?

I've been pretty here.

vote: Tarhalindur

I'm certain that if we WIFOM ourselves out of killing Tar, then that's the wrong choice.

Although he may have anticipated that we would lynch him, he would need to balance things the other way as well - that is, it can't be game breaking in a negative way if we do lynch him. And then he could have also assumed that we'd be on the wrong side of WIFOM, and not lynch him.

I don't find quints suspicious for the fake restriction, at least not yet. Seems not like something scum would want to do.

what do you think of my proposition on voting for tar? (that goes for everyone else voting for tar too)

and why the hell wouldn't scum fake that PR?!?!

[dahill1]

blakadder, any thoughts on my current analysis of you?

[dahill1]

Vote TehVariable

dahill covered it already with a FoS, I'm feeling it's voteworthy.

what are your thoughts on qwints faking the PR?

[dahill1]

seriously are people just skipping my posts?

why just take a chance and vote for tar when you can actually scumhunt and make an

informed decision

to do so or not??

[dahill1]

Alright, will do - I most certainly didn't expect the day to end within the oh so many hours it was.

The thing on Tar is... pretty WIFOM-ish. Would he put a player in charge so that we would be least likely to lynch him? Should we just treat him like a normal player, and just consider it a 'regular' PR? I'm just wondering if the Tar thing has any more.... mechanics added onto his lynch? (Ill made sentence, bah...)

I am 90% sure that it's a player not Tar. Do you honestly think the mod (that knows the setup) would give himself a vote?

(If you say "Well this

is

Mind Screw.." then I will vote you)

[dahill1]

I mean, not that it's Tar, but whether something... will happen specifically because of his lynch. (I very much believe it's a player speaking through him.)

sorry i guess i worded my stance poorly
what i mean to say is that, i'm not necessarily for/against a Tar lynch, yet. i think we should scumhunt and analyze the person posting via Tar, and THEN decide whether to lynch him or not

[dahill1]

hmm i'm not listed as voting but i think that's a mod error

but to test:

unvote vote blakadder

this should be going to qwints, although blakadder isn't a bad vote either

[dahill1]

Mod Prod DoS

i have a feeling he's a secret voter

Sorry, no prod for DoS. - Tar

[dahill1]

Sorry, I'm here.

vote: Pacman281292

(qwints)
Is there anything scummy about me besides opportunism?

Not really. Meta me. It's not abnormal for me to play like this.

...
let's see: active lurking with noncontributive posts, using meta as a defense which i dislike in general but that's less telling, and yet again being opportunistic

unvote vote qwints (blakadder)

[dahill1]

qwints: i realize your fake PR was for your ultimate somehow, but how was faking it pro-town?

[dahill1]

I don't claim faking it was pro-town. I don't think it hurt the town too much, and I would have stopped sooner had it proved problematic.

alright

but just know that if the means of achieving your ultimate were anti-town, then it leads me to wonder if your ultimate is anti-town as well.

[dahill1]

Not really. This is just how I play, particularly around the first day or two in a large game.

so this is your response to the number of people voting for you..

[dahill1]

Looks like you win.. the question now is -- is he scummy?

what do you mean by this? so far he hasn't even posted in the thread iirc so there's no way on judging him. also apparently he can't post (?)

Be careful not to hammer Blakadder so quickly.. we already ended one day really fast.. we should spend some more time before ending this one just as quickly.

little cautious there aren't you?
he's only at L-4 by my count

[dahill1]

i agree with both of you on silentsin as well
he's active lurking and not paying much attention to the game/not producing much content
it's just that i think blakadder is more deserving of a vote at the moment, and i think he should claim soon.

[dahill1]

Okay, don't know what else I can do, so I suppose I'll claim.
I'm Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1. I'm a Townie Monk, which means for me to win, the town must win the game, and I also must be lynched.
My ultimate activates upon my lynching. It allows me to choose a player, whose role PM will be posted in the thread.
I'm probably going to be lynched, which is kinda what I was aiming for, so if anyone has any suggestions for who to use my ultimate on, speak up. I was thinking qwints, but I'm open to suggestion.

Your main suspect. Enough said.

i was actually gonna say choose Tarhalindur as that could clear up A LOT of confusion

[dahill1]

Ok. I most certainly wat to see Tar as your target (obviously), and if that doesn't work, I want to see XSilentSinX, as he is the scummiest in my opinion right now. A win/win IMO.

i agree with this

[dahill1]

At least we know for sure that Pac and DoS aren't the mysterious Tar voice...

nope it could still be DoS
Tar said he hadn't picked up his PM reminding him Day 2 had started and the person posting via Tar hasn't posted Day 2 yet, so it make sense actually.

[dahill1]

@Tar person: Didn't you say that you had a limited number of posts? You seem to be posting lots of small bits. :/

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[dahill1]

i see no reason not to lynch the confirmed SK today

vote M-M

(should be going to Tar...right?)

[dahill1]

urgh realllllly don't like the massive amounts of modwifom going on
tehvariable, who's alt are you?

vote stef

(cephrir) for pretty much gliding along under the radar the entire game

[dahill1]

urgh realllllly don't like the massive amounts of modwifom going on
tehvariable, who's alt are you?

vote stef

(cephrir) for pretty much gliding along under the radar the entire game

Speaking of gliding under the radar... lots of players are, and Stef isn't the first one that comes to my mind. Bus'ing much???

i realize a lot of people are
but cephrir was the first one to come to mind
also, out of the people who aren't posting much: there are 2 categories. 1) those who don't post that often and are under the radar and 2) those who post at a decent rate and are under the radar.

to me, it seems that cephrir has maintained an average posting rate unlike others, but still has non-contributive posts.

[dahill1]

I mean, DoS has never posted, and is apparently immune to prods. Something really odd going on.

hascow replaced DoS

[dahill1]

I mean, DoS has never posted, and is apparently immune to prods. Something really odd going on.

DGB, I think you are scum. What do you think of this affirmation?

why do you think this?

[dahill1]

I have a gut feeling knowing that DGB never explains herself (725) and she is attacking people for not being in the game when she isnt precisely too involved in the game also. (729)

so being forgetful = scum?

[dahill1]

No.

so how are those posts indicative of her being scum at all?

[dahill1]

I've made 6 posts. How is that a decent posting rate?

Games are not supposed to move this fast and my other games are currently a lot more demanding of my attention.

i guess i phrased that poorly.
i meant more like you are posting at a rate so that you don't go completely unnoticed and weighed on at key points in the game thus far, but haven't really contributed much

Dahill, this is gut combined with weak scumtells from DGB. I dont feel shes playing like she always does.
Anyways Im asking DGB if she agrees or not.

i thought you just admitted they weren't scumtells. and iirc this is exactly how DGB plays

[dahill1]

so being forgetful = scum?

No.

[dahill1]

tehvariable, who's alt are you?

That obvious huh? Well, I think we'll stick with figure it out, considering first I'm not even sure I'm allowed to say, and even if I am it takes the fun out of the game.

i could tell from the beginning
mainly just by your mannerisms, but i have a theory
answer this (if you can): is this a second account controlled by a player who is/was in the game?

[dahill1]

Dahill, you know that not only scum have scumtells, right?
Answer my questions, plz.

think about what you just said
seriously

How exactly DGB plays? Have you seen her given an excuse before?

from my experience playing with her she tends to make lots of wild accusation and yes, be forgetful at times. and yes i have seen her give an excuse before.

[dahill1]

i don't see where DGB is getting tajo as cult, but i do think he is some form of scum.
however, Cephrir's response of "I'm not the worst lurker" was pretty scummy, and at least tajo contributes content so my vote is staying on ceph.

[dahill1]

Question: If we knew who Chairman Mao was, should we lynch them?

yep

[dahill1]

woah didn't see that part of DGB's post
ok that makes much more sense now
and i feel much more comfortable with a

vote populartajo

[dahill1]

There might have been others targeting DGB too you know.

yes but DGB's argument does make sense and combined with my previous suspicions of tajo = a vote

[dahill1]

Yes, my mannerisms are rather obvious. I'm trying to decide if answering that is too much information though. Let me think about it.

Kinetic, seriously. If you want to seperate your alt from your main, use two different board patterns. You can change them in your profile. that's how I've avoided screwing up.

you kinda just admitted it . and if you are who i think you are then you're most likely town cuz i doubt this alignment is different from your previous one

[dahill1]

I only admitted I was an alt. It was already admitted.

As for the rest, it's all conjecture on your part. I don't see how this gets us anywhere to finding scum, and it probably brings me closer to being NK'd. If we must find out who I am, wait a little bit while I get some clarifications.

i definitely wasn't gonna out you or ask you to reveal yourself

[dahill1]

I would not object to a populartajo lynch.

What's the case?

read

[dahill1]

woah didn't see that part of DGB's post
ok that makes much more sense now
and i feel much more comfortable with a vote populartajo

Worst reasons for a vote EVAR.

FOS: Dahill

how? i had clearly expressed suspicion of you in that argument about why you thought DGB was scummy

re: the DGB vote. i'm fine with it since she does seem to play like this in a lot of games, but i would rather it on cephrir or poptajo.

[dahill1]

@Dahill, why did you write that the argument that DGB posted made enough sense to vote me.

because it did at the time.
i'm still a little confused by DGB's claim of being targetted..
DGB: are you saying you know that you know that someone tried to recruit you? or that you were targetted in general?

[dahill1]

Explain why the bolded part made you more confident of your vote.

didn't see pesco's post

[dahill1]

actually i just realized i would want a ceph inv. much more than DGB

unvote vote stef

(cephrir)

[dahill1]

Xyl, are you reading the thread?

I, quite frankly, wonder if ANYONE has actually read the thread.

Thread? What thread?

I don't see no thread.

I can't think of an anti-Town reason for TehVariable to have used Whack-a-Mole offhand tbqh.

Scum trying to find a poweful PR?

whack a mole reveals alignment not role, iirc
i agree with vi on this matter. no benefit really for scum to use this, unless to possibly out some type of SK or cult.

[dahill1]

Not even rolename?

nope don't think so
it's basically just a cop investigation

[dahill1]

yup figured you were forbiddanlight
you probably didn't need to claim your role/ultimate but too late now i guess

[dahill1]

wait tajo, so you're saying you have already acheived the ultimate and are waiting for the mod?
if so, good i can wait. if not, you should reveal your ultimate conditions

[dahill1]

I know that you cant trust me but Im saying to you that I have a way to prove Im town. Therefore wasting an investigation on me its not the way to go.

and we're saying, tell us how you can prove it or else we have no reason to believe you

[dahill1]

I dont need you to believe me. If you think wasting an investigation on me after all Ive told you then you are either dumb or scum.
Either scum will kill me because they hate confirmed townies or either my PM will be posted soon. There is no need to investigate/lynch me now.

...
i don't want to waste an inv. on you

THAT'S why i'm asking you to claim how you can be confirmed.,..

[dahill1]

I dont need you to believe me. If you think wasting an investigation on me after all Ive told you then you are either dumb or scum.
Either scum will kill me because they hate confirmed townies or either my PM will be posted soon. There is no need to investigate/lynch me now.

...
i don't want to waste an inv. on you

THAT'S why i'm asking you to claim how you can be confirmed.,..

Read 892. If my ultimate gets online, the mod will post my PM in the thread, aka Tar. Next person to ask me to post my ultimate condition will get my vote.
Xyl, Im not neutral. Im protown.

first, we have no idea whether or not you're lying or telling the truth. so saying it will benefit scum isn't going to convince me either way. secondly, i have no idea what "if my ultimate gets online" means?

[dahill1]

Sigh. Youll now Im telling the truth eventually. No one has given me a good damn reason why you should investigate me.
Ultimate gets online means fulfill my ultimate condition.

WE DON'T WANT TO INV. YOU IF YOU CAN TELL US HOW YOU ARE ABLE TO CONFIRM YOUR ALIGNMENT

[dahill1]

Has, if you had information that benefits more scum than town would you share it even if it confirms you as town?
It seems like you are not reading the thread.

Not only wouldn't I share it; I wouldn't even reference it in the first place unless absolutely necessary.

this is a very different situation. he failed to include that we have a free cop inv. controlled by the town which changes things a lot. and also, that he is one of the main candidates for the investigation.

[dahill1]

Has, if you had information that benefits more scum than town would you share it even if it confirms you as town?
It seems like you are not reading the thread.

Not only wouldn't I share it; I wouldn't even reference it in the first place unless absolutely necessary.

this is a very different situation. he failed to include that we have a free cop inv. controlled by the town which changes things a lot. and also, that he is one of the main candidates for the investigation.

So it is necessary for him to reference it; is this what I understand from your post?

yep, i'm in favor of him claiming his ultimate condition

[dahill1]

ok thank you for the claim finally!
also, just because we wanted you to claim =/= we are scum.

unvote vote stef

(cephrir)
as per reasons i've already stated many times

[dahill1]

oops

unvote

just remembered tajo has to be the 1st 2nd or 3rd vote so we should probably let him vote first.

[dahill1]

oops

unvote

just remembered tajo has to be the 1st 2nd or 3rd vote so we should probably let him vote first.

We're not

lynching

with this vote since Whack-a-Mole is in effect, so I think it should be ok in this case.

argh i forgot..again!

vote stef

..again

[dahill1]

sorry refresh my memory
what exactly does the Dreams power do again?

[dahill1]

kairyuu mind telling us the truth?

[dahill1]

unvote, Vote:malthusis

(kairyuu)

Now I really want to know your alignment.

FoS qwints

moving on, i think it is likely that kairyuu is a SK. i mean come on, part of your WC is getting all of us to origin claim? that hardly seems necessary for just a survivor.

[dahill1]

@dahill: But I'm not a survivor. If I'm dead and you all origin claim (as long as I have the 4 Dreams actions) then I still meet my win con.

hmm i see
the origin part doesn't add up though. does it count the dead players?
if so, then don't you automatically win once you use dreams 4 times and we massclaim?

[dahill1]

I won't believe a proven liar. And a liar about something important, to boot.

The only reason I'm not voting or FOS's is because I want Kairyuu to die, not be whack-a-moled. If he's telling the truth about alignment, what is it to the rest of us? We'll need to kill him anyway. If he's lying, he needs to die.

So let's agree on a whack a mole candidate, and kill Kairyuu unless we hit scum with the whack a mole.

i agree with this unless we can somehow prove Dreams of Reality can help the town, then kill him

[dahill1]

i agree with this unless we can somehow prove Dreams of Reality can help the town, then kill him

I would have to believe Kairyuu. I do not.

yup always the chance he is lying completely

[dahill1]

Yes, I'd normally invoke LAL on him too, but the first policy lynch we had this game didn't work out the way most of us wanted. This is a mind screw game, so I question

ANY

policy lynch working the way town wants it to.

empking wasn't a policy lynch. he was genuinely scummy, and it just happened to turn out that he was a jester

[dahill1]

Kairyuu, what happened to the part about you needing to lynch Chairman Mao?

nice catch and seconding this question
didn't you also mention something about a die?

[dahill1]

i agree with (i think it was xyl) who said we shouldn't waste the lynch on him, but wait the night and see if he is vigged or not

Kinetic fell for the gambit that was hidden within my original claim. When there is a pro-town ultimate on the table, and a massclaim is required for it to activate, then it is much more likely that the scum will resist than the town. Kinetic saying that he will not claim unless wagoned to a near-lynch is scummy. I suggest he be looked at more closely.

i actually think that's reasonable to say that you won't claim unless wagoned to near lynch. why is outright mass claiming just to complete a neutral's ultimate ever a good idea?

[dahill1]

I don't know why anyone wants to prod me, I do post in this game every few days. For some reason I thought playing in a totally screwy game would be entertaining even though I don't like weird mechanics. This game is kinda just going over my head.

I'll have a lot more time over winter break, expect some relevant content then (if I'm still alive after being confirmed town).

BTW, I still don't get why I'm the one being targetted even though I post much more consistantly than some other players. I realize this is probably a scummy thing to say but since I've just been whack-a-moled that doesn't really matter.

that's exactly it
you've been posting more but have still been consistently devoid of content/contribution

[dahill1]

mod prod: electra, malthusis, hp[leaves], M-M

Electra has already been prodded. The others are not currently prod-eligible (last posted Saturday, Sunday, and Sunday, respectively). Also note that ZazieR will be replaced if she does not post in the very near future. - Tar

[dahill1]

hascow, tajo's ultimate can easily be proved today and if it doesn't we'll immediately lynch him afterwards

[dahill1]

kairyuu, for the record, i doubt you are mafia scum either
but i do think it's possible to be a SK, for reasons i have outlined before

[dahill1]

Well, at least I have peace of mind that our local lurker is town.

@dahill: What makes you so sure that Kai is scum? Also, I just realized that tajo could just use that claim to keep hopping on townie wagons and get away with it. Ugh, too much paranoia...

his win condition hurts the town (the claiming part)
however, i'm fine with keeping him alive if we can somehow prove that Dreams of Reality is a pro-town action

[dahill1]

in 1098: how do origin claims hurt the town? I think it somewhat unlikely that Tar, even in a Mind Screw game, would put in a role that needs a mass origin claim to win, and a punisher designed to prevent origin claims from happening. Of course, the possibility of me being the punisher exists if you don't belive my claim, but giving me both Dreams actions and punisher powers, especially when the mod himself was a power-claim punisher himself, seems off to me.

they give scum inside of others' roles which could somehow help them
also, most games whether they be tar games or not usually have some back-up if the town decides to claim early in the game. that being said, that's not the main part of the role worrying me since you can still win after you die, as you said.

[dahill1]

posting this in all games i'm in:

Limited Access due to winter vacation until probably about Jan. 5th

[dahill1]

Okay, trying to get back into this game.

First of all, I believe Kairyuu mostly, but I'm sure he's still holding back things about his role. However, there's no point to whack-a-mole him - I would suggest whack-a-moling someone we really don't know anything about.

And then I think we should lynch Kairyuu.

You should probably read up first

[dahill1]

I WILL NOT believe any ''I'm a neutral, don't lynch me'' excuse after the fiasco in MSIII where we found out the neutral who we didn't lunch was an SK and won the game. Vote Malthusis (Kairyuu)

I realize this is WIFOM, but don't you think the odds of Tar anticipating this kind of mentality are pretty high? Plus, MS2 was a mini, here we still have 2x as many people as MS2 started with.

Considering Ceph and Seraphim both turned up town, I'm at a loss. I would like to see some other people contribute as we still have a lot of lurkers. What I'm seeing right now is a concerted manhunt on a likely neutral player (yes, self-aligned is neutral and, as seen with jesters, will not end the game) when we should be hunting scum. I wonder why that is.. Yes, his abilities affect everyone, in fact, for all intents and purposes, it seems to me that he IS Mr. Mind Screw.

Didn't we speedlynch one of the jesters for claiming a neutral role, while we're on this subject?

I still say DrippingGoofball should die. Kairyuu can be debated forever and ever whom he benefits, but voicing the lynch of a suspected player as sub-optimal ≠ scummy. Yes, I've had second thoughts about Kairyuu too. I have posted them. That means solely that I like him less. It does not mean that we should be wasting our time stringing up a player that brings us no closer to winning the game.

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

[dahill1]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

You have to vote Xyl if you want it to count against SC.

ah forgot thanks
although i don't want to vote SC, kairyuu is prob the best play today\

unvote vote malthusis

[dahill1]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

No. Remembering a jester claiming neutral being lynched and thus getting us nowhere ≠ thinking Kairyuu is a jester claiming neutral and his lynch thus getting us nowhere. The only relevance jesters have to this topic of discussion is remembering one being speedlynched for claiming a neutral role (I believe survivor, but I have to go back and reread). Lynching Kairyuu, regardless of his actual role, will not get us any closer to winning unless he is a serial killer, which I don't see anything supporting.

mass origin claiming, as i've said before, doesn't seem pro-town

[dahill1]

Prove that a mass origin claim is scummy.

of course i can't prove that
that's like saying "Prove Kairyuu isn't an SK"
see? you can't
the idea of mass origin claim is anti-town because it's reveals information to the scum on the town. for example, a cult that can only recruit characters from this anime, or SK that can only kill certain characters, etc.

There is little advantages and much more possible disadvantages

[dahill1]

btw i have a gut feeling SC is scum
nothing solid and not worth a vote, but i'll probably have to look back at his posts in isolation
just a slight gut for now

[dahill1]

EBWOP: A mass origin claim may be scummy because of Tarhalindur's famed "punisher" roles.

basically this
also, in other theme games EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MIND SCREW, mass flavor claiming is usually a bad idea since the mods are usually competent enough for town not to benefit from them

[dahill1]

you have to vote for malthusis to vote for kairyuu

[dahill1]

heh figured you were Mao
on that note

unvote

because that seems like TOO elaborate of a fakeclaim for you to come up with
plus, that whole transferring the role thing makes a lot of sense
argh gonna have to think this over

[dahill1]

-I am Chairman Mao, but I am actually a pro-town role (go figure)

wait are you neutral or pro-town?

[dahill1]

@dahill: pro-town

@Kinetic: That is not an origin claim.

Hooray! More Votes!!

Hmmm. Well, I know that Ceph is town, so I'll leave him alive. I think we need to get rid of a lurker, so I'll knock off malthusis. I'll leave DGB alive just for shits and giggles. I definitely gotta take Kinetic-scum down with me though. Hmmm. Who else, who else, who else?

then why the hell would you ever claim neutral??

[dahill1]

half of me wants to believe the claim
and the other half thinks he's just making threatening claims to keep people off of his wagon

[dahill1]

@dahill:

half of me wants to believe the claim
and the other half thinks he's just making threatening claims to keep people off of his wagon

Hmmm. Maaaaaaayyyyybe. I wonder. Perhaps I made a completely outrageous claim in order to get MORE people on my wagon. The world may never know. -laughs maniacally, then realizes that DGB is possessing him-

Oh Shit!

-runs around in circles clawing at head in attempt to get evil insanity monster to go away-

Sorry DGB, I couldn't resist.

OY! PEOPLE! That last claim was utter BS, and I'm amazed that anyone even considered it. I'm sticking with my second claim, because it's the truth. You can lynch me if you want, but until the hammer falls or you see how much of a waste this is I'm gonna have as much fun screwing with you as I can.

Cheers! Merry X-Mas!

i cannot see a pro-town player writing the above post

vote malthusis

[dahill1]

Sigh. I thought FL wouldn't put a player at L1 so I proxyed my vote on Day 1 to her. Such a bad bad move.

You really thought I wouldn't put a player to L-1? And I'm sorry that caused your death. I tend to do things impulsivlely.

Ok, so why did poptaj, assumably town, execute my alt? (Not that I had much purpose in this game when my main died N1)

And yeah, this sucked for me. I knew there was a reason I tend not to join large games.

So! VC quote sources and Mod notes for the win!?

Coming, coming. (And Machiavellian-Mafia killed you due to the Execute Male he handed out getting reflected D5.) - Tar

Ah.

Anyway, I find it hilarious that Xyl totally caught on to who I was as "TehVariable", and the other scum start off all like "Something is off color about him...he's protective!"

I didn't think my quote pattern was so distinctive.

it was incredibly obvious