Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[dahill1]

Prove that a mass origin claim is scummy.

of course i can't prove that
that's like saying "Prove Kairyuu isn't an SK"
see? you can't
the idea of mass origin claim is anti-town because it's reveals information to the scum on the town. for example, a cult that can only recruit characters from this anime, or SK that can only kill certain characters, etc.

There is little advantages and much more possible disadvantages

[dahill1]

btw i have a gut feeling SC is scum
nothing solid and not worth a vote, but i'll probably have to look back at his posts in isolation
just a slight gut for now

[Vi]

Modhalindur didn't answer my question in 1114, so I don't know what to make of tajo's claim (though it worked for Tarhalindur's own PM, so I guess it's plausible).

I hadn't noticed it until now. Sorry. - Tar

ShadowGirl and Electra need to be beaten over the head until they read the thread and see what's going on.

I'm not entirely sure what the heck Coug and veerus are doing in calling a trap on Kairyuu. I think it's paranoia personally, but he has a point in that lynching all non-Town may not be the best move in this game. However, a mass origin claim very well MAY be scummy in this game.

I'm going to be gone for a few days, as mentioned in my sig. It's against personal policy to leave votes unattended, so I'm going to decline to vote until I get back.

[Vi]

EBWOP: A mass origin claim may be scummy because of Tarhalindur's famed "punisher" roles.

[dahill1]

EBWOP: A mass origin claim may be scummy because of Tarhalindur's famed "punisher" roles.

basically this
also, in other theme games EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT MIND SCREW, mass flavor claiming is usually a bad idea since the mods are usually competent enough for town not to benefit from them

[DrippingGoofball]

No. Remembering a jester claiming neutral being lynched and thus getting us nowhere ≠ thinking Kairyuu is a jester claiming neutral and his lynch thus getting us nowhere.

Good point. The scum or cult might want to exploit the precedent of a neutral claiming jester in their own fakeclaims.

[DrippingGoofball]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

You have to vote Xyl if you want it to count against SC.

For FoS's, no you do not. We've said that a million times already.

Wake up.

Oh.

un-FOS, FOS: Kairyuu

[Seraphim]

Still trying to catch up. I finished day 1 earlier, though I'm still keeping track of everything going on, of course.

First of all:

1. Kairyuu seems awfully insistent that he needs to live another day. That bothers me.

2. I also noticed that some players seem to be defending Kairyuu even though there's seemingly absolutely no advantage for the town in keeping him alive. In fact, one defense seems to be, 'I want to see what this role power does'.

3. Most of Kairyuu's defenders don't seem to be proposing credible lynch alternatives.

I smell cult.

Unvote
Vote: Kairyuu
UnFoS
FoS: Kairyuu

[Seraphim]

EBWOP:

Oh, wait. Whoops. Forgot about that weird vote-shifting deal.

Unvote
Vote: malthusis

[dahill1]

you have to vote for malthusis to vote for kairyuu

[Kairyuu]

Ok. Since almost all of the people I thought were pro-keeping me alive seem to have decided to vote me anyway, I'ma gonna lay all my cards on the table. That's right, I was still lying, because I wanted to keep the town from doing something stupid like lynching me while still keeping my cover from being blown, which would cause the scum to go after me at Night. However, someone still must trust me, because I have been given NK immunity for tonight.

Here's the deal:

-I am Chairman Mao, but I am actually a pro-town role (go figure)

-My Dreams of Reality actions are exactly as I said they were

-I have a scum punishing power, which allows me to be told the alignments of all players who lie about their origins (so this one punishes lying in one form)

-My Mao role is transferrable, so I can change roles with someone if I so choose in the event of my immanent lynch (therefore, lynching me is useless unless I switch with a scum, because Tar wants this role in the game as long as possible).

-My Ultimate activates when I reach lynch count if I haven't transferred my role. It is essentially a nuke. I choose 1-5 people on my wagon, and they die with me.

Refuse to believe me at your own peril. BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

By the way, SC did not lie about his origin, or else I would have his alignment by now.

[Kairyuu]

WHEEEEEEE!!!! Chew on THAT XP

[dahill1]

heh figured you were Mao
on that note

unvote

because that seems like TOO elaborate of a fakeclaim for you to come up with
plus, that whole transferring the role thing makes a lot of sense
argh gonna have to think this over

[Kinetic]

Vote:Malt

Die Scum Die.

[Cephrir]

Vote: Malthusis

I'm sorry, but no.

[Kinetic]

-I have a scum punishing power, which allows me to be told the alignments of all players who lie about their origins (so this one punishes lying in one form)

Prove it:

I do not know my Origin.

[dahill1]

-I am Chairman Mao, but I am actually a pro-town role (go figure)

wait are you neutral or pro-town?

[Kairyuu]

@dahill: pro-town

@Kinetic: That is not an origin claim.

Hooray! More Votes!!

Hmmm. Well, I know that Ceph is town, so I'll leave him alive. I think we need to get rid of a lurker, so I'll knock off malthusis. I'll leave DGB alive just for shits and giggles. I definitely gotta take Kinetic-scum down with me though. Hmmm. Who else, who else, who else?

[dahill1]

@dahill: pro-town

@Kinetic: That is not an origin claim.

Hooray! More Votes!!

Hmmm. Well, I know that Ceph is town, so I'll leave him alive. I think we need to get rid of a lurker, so I'll knock off malthusis. I'll leave DGB alive just for shits and giggles. I definitely gotta take Kinetic-scum down with me though. Hmmm. Who else, who else, who else?

then why the hell would you ever claim neutral??

[Kairyuu]

Scum would rather get a neutral lynched than kill them at Night. Simple logic really (at least to me).

The whole pro-town ultimate was what really screwed me over though. I should have just claimed what I did as my second ultimate and hoped that i could get enough origin claims to find some scum.

[Electra]

vote: malthusis

(kai)

I sincerely doubt any sort of town would act like this.

[StrangerCoug]

I seem to be talking to a brick wall, but then again a brick wall is being built in front of me. If he's scum (and I'll even go as far as to count SK as scum), then I'll eat my hat. Otherwise, don't say nobody warned you about this being a waste of time.

[Kairyuu]

Hmmm. Didn't iamausername teach you anything about offering to eat a hat in relation to me StrangerCoug? It's quite interesting that you are the second person in 3 games to offer to eat a hat over me. I'm touched.

On the other hand, you are exactly right. When they realize that they just wasted a lynch (as you, me, Shadowgirl, and veerus have been telling them for several pages now), then I will get to watch from outside the game as they kick themselves for not listening to us.

[dahill1]

half of me wants to believe the claim
and the other half thinks he's just making threatening claims to keep people off of his wagon

[StrangerCoug]

Hmmm. Didn't iamausername teach you anything about offering to eat a hat in relation to me StrangerCoug? It's quite interesting that you are the second person in 3 games to offer to eat a hat over me. I'm touched.

Yeah, now that you remind me.