Micro 1080: Brass and Shrapnel - Game Over!

[Alianna]

DAYVIG: GrandpaSpino

YOLO.

[Alianna]

But how do you know I'm not just trying to pocket you by appealing to your anti-hydra sentiment?

[Alianna]

Stop spelling my name right, you'll give away that we're paired.

[Alianna]

Stop spelling my name right, you'll give away that we're paired.

^
Wrong PT.

[Alianna]

Mine.

[Alianna]

Readslist incoming.

[Alianna]

This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.

Something_Smart

Green name = confirmed town, everyone knows that.

Doctor Drew

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Merlyn.

Merlyn

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Doc.

KittyTacky

No posts, therefore no read.

JasonWazza

No posts, therefore no read.

GrandpaSpino

Ngl the vibes here be sus.

T3

Post 23 such IIOA, caught scum.

Skygazer

Post 14 sucking up to the listmod, caught scum.

Usually the scum are in my townreads D1 so VOTE: Doctor Drew. That's not an OMGUS vote at all.

[Alianna]

ngl i dont like people who give a readlist like this so early in the game. like honestly whats the point if this is gonna change, like do it in a private pt. sorry, no shade<3

something something cognitive load is that the nsg tell or am I misremembering?

What's the NSG tell and what are you referring to here?

[Alianna]

okay sorry alianna

I will never forgive you.

[Alianna]

Imma read up now.

[Alianna]

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

Did you read your role PM?

yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xD

I was going to call this town since everyone knows what a mafia goon is, but I guess maf have a factional doc/RB too this game.
Meh, it's still good enough for a page 5 townlean.

[Alianna]

I don't get the talk about 74 either. Like, what's the accusation there? How does it make Kitty look sus?

[Alianna]

Sorry, phrased that wrong. I was referring to this. How was Mo trying to make KT look sketch?

And Jason, was less about you and more about how Mo moved off you and tried to make KT look sketch.

[Alianna]

Unless your an alt i don't believe we have played together, as i'm from further back then 2021, and i only recently came back

Oh I remembered now, I was once reading about the safehouse mechanic on the wiki and there was a reference to a game where it was used and you were in it so I read it. Was like a year ago.

My read of it I mean. The game was like 10 years ago.

this is oddly specific. interesting how u can remember someone who wasnt active for over a year in a part of wiki u read from a year ago.

Mo is really going out of their way to make KT look suss.......what does 'oddly specific' mean to you?

Not to mention the slight ate they had with me after this.

One post that's hardly incriminating isn't exactly "really going out of their way." I could see it if they followed up, actually called Kitty sus, pointed out other stuff in his ISO, voted him, etc., but they didn't do any of that. If anything, they diverted onto you.

I didn't read "oddly specific" as a scumread, and it doesn't seem like they intended it that way either based on 94. Mind you, it seems like bianco wrote that one. I am beginning to understand your views on hydras lol.

[Alianna]

i havent even looked at any setup mech shit

Did you read your role PM?

yea but i didnt read the info for it so i didnt know what my role did until jason said something thats why i thanked them xD

I was going to call this town since everyone knows what a mafia goon is, but I guess maf have a factional doc/RB too this game.
Meh, it's still good enough for a page 5 townlean.

I wholeheartedly disagree that it's a townlean thing, this more seems like the excuse a Mafia member would make after having gone into this game having gotten Mafia, and not questioned anything being abnormal (Like seriously, how would you get Vig/Bomb/Supersaint and then have gone on to say that this game is going to be a 2 day game.)

Like Vig is really obvious to call out as not just a 2 day game, surely if you get bomb, you read your role PM enough to know that there's a possibility for a 1 day, and Supersaint should also tip you off that something is up in this game.

The one role that makes sense to just not question the status quo is Mafia (I will give Supersaint to a supremely lesser degree, but surely you should get a tip off as a supersaint).

I was thinking from the perspective of scum faking not knowing about the setup and not wanting to limit their claims but I guess they could just...not know about the setup. Hmm.

[Alianna]

Yeahhh, sorry about the inactivity.
I'm finding this game a little difficult to get into.
Could have something to do with the fact that the hydra's got ~30% of the posts in the thread and it feels like a lot of us are just spectators (myself included, that's not an accusation).
Maybe it's just because, like I said, I haven't really gotten into the game, but a lot of the stuff we're bickering about also feels pretty NAI.
Merlyn wagon is pretty meh.

[Alianna]

Yeahhh, sorry about the inactivity.
I'm finding this game a little difficult to get into.
Could have something to do with the fact that the hydra's got ~30% of the posts in the thread and it feels like a lot of us are just spectators (myself included, that's not an accusation).
Maybe it's just because, like I said, I haven't really gotten into the game, but a lot of the stuff we're bickering about also feels pretty NAI.
Merlyn wagon is pretty meh.

Yeah, I get that but we have to get content going somehow. What do you think of GS's mech strat they outlined earlier in 134? This question is open to anyone btw.

Some of it's going over my head maybe. The first paragraph is about if we can win in one day, which I skipped through bc I don't care about that. But the rotational part is what I'm not sure I get.

I don't understand the rotational part either. What's the good of rotational targeting when we're all killing roles and some of us can't even target?

[Alianna]

I could see value in planning night actions though.

[Alianna]

I've got another idea but I need to go do some math. Please hold.

[Alianna]

What I was thinking of was doing a partial massclaim, but I'm not sure if it's smart to do that or not.
Basically, we'd come up with a predetermined order (sussy bakas first) and claim either group 1 (Vig/Blank Vig) or group 2 (Bomb/SS). I did some caveman math and found that there's about a 66% chance we get meaningful information on which group scum are in, though it might be a little lower if we considered that scum can strategize or if I messed up the math.
I don't think it's too detrimental as scum still have to debate if it's worth it to kill in group 1 or safe to kill in group 2.
Any downsides I'm missing? Someone tell me if this is a terrible idea.

[Alianna]

My issue with rotational targeting is that it seems like a good way to murderize half the town.

[Alianna]

What I was thinking of was doing a partial massclaim, but I'm not sure if it's smart to do that or not.
Basically, we'd come up with a predetermined order (sussy bakas first) and claim either group 1 (Vig/Blank Vig) or group 2 (Bomb/SS). I did some caveman math and found that there's about a 66% chance we get meaningful information on which group scum are in, though it might be a little lower if we considered that scum can strategize or if I messed up the math.
I don't think it's too detrimental as scum still have to debate if it's worth it to kill in group 1 or safe to kill in group 2.
Any downsides I'm missing? Someone tell me if this is a terrible idea.

This is a terrible idea, do better Alianna.

Lol jk.

But, what is sussy bakas?

Among Us reference lol. It means suspicious people.

[Alianna]

"Baka" translates to "fool."

[Alianna]

What I was thinking of was doing a partial massclaim, but I'm not sure if it's smart to do that or not.
Basically, we'd come up with a predetermined order (sussy bakas first) and claim either group 1 (Vig/Blank Vig) or group 2 (Bomb/SS). I did some caveman math and found that there's about a 66% chance we get meaningful information on which group scum are in, though it might be a little lower if we considered that scum can strategize or if I messed up the math.
I don't think it's too detrimental as scum still have to debate if it's worth it to kill in group 1 or safe to kill in group 2.
Any downsides I'm missing? Someone tell me if this is a terrible idea.

This is really interesting to me, I'm not the right person to check your math though.

p=edit, oh, baka like japanese for dummy I get it
p-edit 2- nvm

I want to dislike the idea, but then again my 'Alianna is scum' hat is tough to take off.

I will allow the plan, but keep the maths to people like python.

Actually, I went and calculated the probability of each individual setup occurring and wrote it all down. Idk why I did that, there was no real reason to. I guess punching numbers into a calculator was more fun than whatever I was procrastinating at the time lol.
I'm not going to post it or anything though.

[Alianna]

And to clarify, is it that you think my plan is actually likely to do more harm than good or is it just a bias towards SRing me?

[Alianna]

And to clarify, is it that you think my plan is actually likely to do more harm than good or is it just a bias towards SRing me?

No I am just over tired and am struggling to understand the benefit of it.

Not saying there isn't a benefit, I think I just need it to be explained to me like I am 5.

Group 1 = Vig/Blank Vig
Group 2 = Bomb/SS

In this setup, we've got a 25% chance that there's 3 in group 1 and 4 in group 2, a 50% chance that there's 4 in group 1 and 3 in group 2, and a 25% chance that there's 5 in group 1 and 2 in group 2. And of course, there's always 2 mafia goons, so there's 2 extra claims regardless of what setup we're actually in.
The placement of the extra claims might end up being important. Depending on the numbers, we can gain information on what the scum might have claimed. There is a chance we gain nothing of use, a chance we can confirm one of the groups contains at least one scum, and a smaller chance we can confirm one of the groups contains both scum. I'm not going to go through possible setups/outcomes/strategies unless I need to, scum can do the work themselves.
I'm not dead-set on doing this, it's just an idea.

[Alianna]

And I wouldn't be me if I wasn't suspicious of you lol

Lol fair enough.

[Alianna]

Honestly, I guess anything to get the game going.

I always love taking chances at the very least.

Yeah, this game needs something to get it going. Idk if a claim plan does that but it could be worth a shot.
I haven't even found a reason to vote yet. I will take this RVS off though.

UNVOTE:

[Alianna]

Honestly, I guess anything to get the game going.

I always love taking chances at the very least.

Yeah, this game needs something to get it going. Idk if a claim plan does that but it could be worth a shot.
I haven't even found a reason to vote yet. I will take this RVS off though.

UNVOTE:

Forgive me for keeping my vote on you

I have some ideas as to why I might be sus here, but why am I sus?

[Alianna]

I will say, she was pretty obvtown to me last game and I'm not really seeing it this time around.

[Alianna]

Maybe there's a lead there.

VOTE: Merlyn

[Alianna]

^
That's E-2.

[Alianna]

mech wall

I think I understand this.

[Alianna]

There's really not much of a defense I can make against 'you aren't as obvtown this time'. But the case against me is not a good one, that's just all there is to it. If I'm the lim today it might be worth thinking about whether scum sat on sidelines or actively participated.

Idk who this was targeted to but I don't think people are scumreading you because of meta. I think people are scumrssding you because of your reaction and how disingenuous you sound. I think those who are expierenced are having a hard time reading you because you are new and usually these disingenuous tells come from new town but are also very much viable from scum

-mo

It was targeted at me after I said this.

I will say, she was pretty obvtown to me last game and I'm not really seeing it this time around.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Alianna
I’m learning town on Merlyn and I don’t like some of the votes of her such as Alianna’s and Drew’s.

VOTE: AliannaI'm gonna hop on here. For me, scum could be actively participating/egging on the fight, but I bet it's more likely they're lurking at the edges at that makes Alianna and Drew both good candidates for me to look at.

You're citing "lurking at the edges" as your reason, but the names you've given are me, who's voting you, and Drew, who's entertaining the idea that you're S/S with GS. Interesting.
I suppose that doesn't explain why you didn't mention Kitty though, since he's also voting you.
Wait, why didn't you mention Kitty or T3 or Sky in that post? They've all been pretty low-content too.

[Alianna]

I will say, she was pretty obvtown to me last game and I'm not really seeing it this time around.

Maybe there's a lead there.

VOTE: Merlyn

This looks like some pretty bad opportunism. Alaina is prepared to E-2 Merlyn, who she does not even scumread? Alianna’s read is just that she doesn’t townread Merlyn.

Pretty sure I said before that that I hadn't found a reason to vote yet. I was willing to vote someone for just about any reason, whether it was a good one or not.
I feel pretty much "meh" about everything in this game and I don't really know how to get out of that.
I think I might keep the vote there until Merlyn answers my question though.

[Alianna]

I still think Merlyn is scummy.

For the same reasons, still?

[Alianna]

I suppose that doesn't explain why you didn't mention Kitty though, since he's also voting you.
Wait, why didn't you mention Kitty or T3 or Sky in that post? They've all been pretty low-content too.

Kitty is actually a really good point, they're a prime example of what I mean by lurking at the edges. I don't think T3 really qualifies low content, though. Sky- they keep promising to post and I keep believing them lol.

I threw T3 in there because he's the lowest poster numbers-wise. I see where you're coming from though with that.
I'm not really leaning one way or the other on Kitty, just because I remember town!him playing similarly before. I actually tried to get him yeeted for it as scum lol. I haven't played with scum!Kitty, but I feel like he'd be a bit lurky here regardless of his alignment. I should actually review that meta though.

[Alianna]

I suppose that doesn't explain why you didn't mention Kitty though, since he's also voting you.
Wait, why didn't you mention Kitty or T3 or Sky in that post? They've all been pretty low-content too.

Kitty is actually a really good point, they're a prime example of what I mean by lurking at the edges. I don't think T3 really qualifies low content, though. Sky- they keep promising to post and I keep believing them lol.

I'm sorry how does T3 not count?

T3 has given thoughts on like... 2 slots, maybe 3/4 depending on how generous you are and if you include the slight thought on drew that he didn't like the vote, and the slight thought on me.

It's more than Kitty or myself, but yeah, definitely not high content.

[Alianna]

How'd you miss "Alianna vote is opportunistic, VOTE: Alianna"? Is that being lumped in with "don't like votes on Merlyn"? It shouldn't be imo, it's the strongest stance T3 has taken all game.

[Alianna]

There's also a progression from questioning GS and seemingly scumleaning/maybe scumreading them (beginning of the ISO to 264) to saying they feel different from a past scumgame (346) and questioning Doc's S/S theory on them and Merlyn (349). There's content in there, it's just not super strong stances.
And now I want to know what happened between those posts, because it doesn't quite add up.
@T3 - could you elaborate on how you're reading GS and what changed for you?

[Alianna]

*and by "doesn't quite add up," I mean there isn't enough explanation of what changed and it feels like a piece of that progression is missing.

[Alianna]

I mean, Kitty's whole read on you is "Jason town btw." Zero reasoning. Zero justification. Zero thought process. Sure, it's solid, but there's nothing solid behind it.
I don't particularly like you taking Kitty out of the lurker group when they have exactly one justified read, but I don't see this argument going anywhere. It's likely a playstyle thing, and we're polar opposite in that respect, so...yeah.

[Alianna]

Doc isn't lurking though. Idk where that came from.

[Alianna]

Drew feels towny too for playing in an aggressive and dynamic way that doesn't seem focused enough to be agenda-driven or motivated by looking good.

I agree with this read, Drew can be town for now.

[Alianna]

I never have any idea what T3 is doing but turning to Alianna when he did is a strange choice as scum unless his partner is exactly Skygazer.

I don't quite understand this, could you explain it?

[Alianna]

There's also a progression from questioning GS and seemingly scumleaning/maybe scumreading them (beginning of the ISO to 264) to saying they feel different from a past scumgame (346) and questioning Doc's S/S theory on them and Merlyn (349). There's content in there, it's just not super strong stances.
And now I want to know what happened between those posts, because it doesn't quite add up.
@T3 - could you elaborate on how you're reading GS and what changed for you?

T3, not sure if you saw this question, but could you answer this?

[Alianna]

I will say, she was pretty obvtown to me last game and I'm not really seeing it this time around.

Maybe there's a lead there.

VOTE: Merlyn

This looks like some pretty bad opportunism.

Alaina

is prepared to E-2 Merlyn, who she does not even scumread? Alianna’s read is just that she doesn’t townread Merlyn.

Also, Alianna......just want to point out that I never misspelled your name this bad haha.

LOL. If that's a way to pocket me, it's working.

[Alianna]

Doc, I don't recall if you ever commented on this, but how does bianco's E-1 vote on Merlyn (332) fit into your S/S theory?

[Alianna]

Doc, I don't recall if you ever commented on this, but how does bianco's E-1 vote on Merlyn (332) fit into your S/S theory?

This may sound a bit nutty, but I could see Bianco wanting to play some chess with me in particular.

That being said, is Merlyn still at E-1?

I don't think she is?

[Alianna]

Unofficial VC:

Merlyn (E-2): KittyTacky, Alianna, GrandpaSpino
Skygazer (E-2): Something_Smart, JasonWazza, Doctor Drew
Alianna (2): T3, Merlyn
KittyTacky (1): Skygazer

[Alianna]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

I don't exactly expect any hasty hammers this game but let me think.

[Alianna]

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

I don't exactly expect any hasty hammers this game but let me think.

UNVOTE:

I don't exactly expect any hasty hammers this game but let me think.

[Alianna]

Also mine.

[Alianna]

dear diary: today i slept most of the day. hangovers certainly hit differently when you're almost 30.

Just want to again remind people, there hasn't been anything useful in the past 5 days from Skygazer. (and i'd also argue there has been literally nothing useful out of the slot period.)

This does sound a little too much like a policy elim though.

It does.

[Alianna]

Though it kinda depends on Merlyn flip.

You think T3 and Merlyn are connected?

If Merlyn flips scum then T3 is a bit more townie because I feel T3 would be more eager to stop a scumbuddy from hanging. If Merlyn flips town then T3 would be my next vote.

I don't like this post one bit.

In a "lining up executions" way or what about it?

[Alianna]

So you mean Kitty!scum, knows Merlyn!town and assumes she's flipping (scumbuddy off wagon?), trying to line up lims.
That's an interesting theory and I kind of like it.
The reasoning isn't even all that good since T3's been trying to counterwagon me.
Now, whether a T3/Merlyn scumteam would tie themselves together by wagoning me in that way is another story. I'm going to say probably not. The first part of that associative is probably right for the wrong reasons.
I'm really conflicted on Merlyn so I'm going to ISO her again.

[Alianna]

I'm really conflicted on Merlyn so I'm going to ISO her again.

ISO read, I am no less conflicted. There are posts like 247 that make me go "town vibes" and posts like 369 that make me go "huh?"
Might be a read best left for later days. If later days even happen lol.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Kitty

Little over a day until deadline.

I feel better about this than Merlyn and Sky.

VOTE: Kitty

E-2.
I don't mind sheeping this. Baaaaa!

[Alianna]

inb4 Jason turns me out to pasture.

[Alianna]

Yeahhh, sorry about the inactivity.
I'm finding this game a little difficult to get into.
Could have something to do with the fact that the hydra's got ~30% of the posts in the thread and it feels like a lot of us are just spectators (myself included, that's not an accusation).
Maybe it's just because, like I said, I haven't really gotten into the game, but a lot of the stuff we're bickering about also feels pretty NAI.
Merlyn wagon is pretty meh.

Yeah, I get that but we have to get content going somehow. What do you think of GS's mech strat they outlined earlier in 134? This question is open to anyone btw.

Some of it's going over my head maybe. The first paragraph is about if we can win in one day, which I skipped through bc I don't care about that. But the rotational part is what I'm not sure I get.

thank u for bringing that up

i was gonna do it eventually

and the rotational targeting is just the default that everyone results to in a game of pr madness to eventually resolve prs during the night -- if u can think of something better pls tell me but planned night actions should always be the plan here

-mo

Just re-visiting this since we're near EoD. We should consider if we're making any sort of plan with regards to night actions or if we're just letting chaos reign.

[Alianna]

That is...not the first time I've been E-2'd over a dumb throwaway comment.

[Alianna]

inb4 Jason turns me out to pasture.

Wait, i need to run this one back to you to see if you can explain the fucking logic to me.

Your worried that IF i'm a vig, that i will see this play as so bad, that i will shoot you instead of SkyGazer... and are still doing said action... as town?

451 was not the product of logic or intelligent thought, nor was it even meant seriously. Sometimes I just...say stuff. With zero regard for whether it makes sense.

I don't remember what the thought process was, but it certainly wasn't the one assumed in 457 and 458.

[Alianna]

I don't care if you still want to vote me for it, but that's the last I'll say about it. I'm not going to argue about it because it's a dumb thing to argue about.

[Alianna]

Sorry, been a bit sick over the weekend.

Here's a weak gamestate read: I feel like scum would be less likely to push me here out of fear of being called opportunistic.

That's an... interesting thing to

say

, even if you believe it's true. Since it's self-defeating. Now that you've all but said "voting for me is town!", if we were to take you seriously, then yes, whover votes for you shall look opportunistic

I disagree that it's self-defeating. I think after saying it out loud it loses weight for future votes, but my wagon was pretty stagnant for a minute so. But I think in a game with a high number of potential vig shots that scum will be trying their best to appear active and townie without making waves or pissing anyone off.

Who are your top suspects then? Is S_S still one of them?

[Alianna]

466 leans town if they actually follow through with it.

[Alianna]

Uhhhh I'm not sure who I'm scum reading I should probably catch up soon huh

Just over a day on the deadline so you should definitely do that XD.

[Alianna]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

Got it, will bring beer

Save a seat for me.

Slightly unrelated, I had a dream last night that I hung out with Alianna and Emperor Flippynips. We went on a nice hike.

Lol nice.

[Alianna]

I prefer Kitty and don't really want to vote Sky.

[Alianna]

Yep, there's three mafia!

[Alianna]

then yea my conclusion is still the same. ur probably out of place probably because ur like one of the strong prs lol (sorry to out u if u are)

drew + merlyn is my guess here

-mo

I don't even know what you mean by that. We're all one of four roles and approximately half of us don't even know if we have a PR or not. Which PRs are the strong ones?

[Alianna]

I'm town and Drew shitpushed me, nobody answered my questions that I posed in my post.

I made 447, which is me trying to understand the theory but kind of explains it in the process.

[Alianna]

then yea my conclusion is still the same. ur probably out of place probably because ur like one of the strong prs lol (sorry to out u if u are)

drew + merlyn is my guess here

-mo

I don't even know what you mean by that. We're all one of four roles and approximately half of us don't even know if we have a PR or not. Which PRs are the strong ones?

im pretty sure u get informed if u are a bomb or supersaint

thats what im referring to here. haha, but we can move on now!

-mo

I'm still incredibly confused, but sure, we can leave it.

[Alianna]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

Got it, will bring beer

Save a seat for me.

Slightly unrelated, I had a dream last night that I hung out with Alianna and Emperor Flippynips. We went on a nice hike.

His title is King Flippynips good sir.

gosh this interactions makes me wanna even scumread u both evenmore

@drew u should know why

What does this mean?

[Alianna]

theres like a 7 percent chance all the vigs are blank i think

This looks right.

[Alianna]

I guess we're letting anarchy reign anyway though.

[Alianna]

i like did the math for only blank vigs in the 3 4 and 5 vig scenarios then did (3vig + 4vig + 4vig + 5vig) / 4 to get the averaged odds

sorry if thats confusing i just smoked a bowl

That's way more efficient than what I did.

[Alianna]

i took ap stat a decade ago

I had to look up AP, it apparently exists in Canada but I've never heard of it.

[Alianna]

I don't think we can even make a wagon in the next half hour so...

VOTE: No Execution

EMBRACE ANARCHY! LET THE MURDERIZING BEGIN!

[Alianna]

VOTE: KittyTacky

Think that's E-1.

[Alianna]

I don't think we can even make a wagon in the next half hour so...

VOTE: No Execution

EMBRACE ANARCHY! LET THE MURDERIZING BEGIN!

if you think a wagon is preferable why are you not trying for one?

I don't have the energy to push for a wagon today and I figured we probably weren't getting one, so I decided to wholeheartedly embrace anarchy instead.

[Alianna]

i took ap stat a decade ago

Quoting for notification, want to hammer Kitty?

[Alianna]

True, true.

[Alianna]

If Kitty is scum, Merlyn and T3 are spewed town by associatives.

[Alianna]

Wait, never mind, I think I screwed that up. Let me look at the post again.

[Alianna]

I townread you individually so I didn't really think about it.

[Alianna]

Though it kinda depends on Merlyn flip.

You think T3 and Merlyn are connected?

If Merlyn flips scum then T3 is a bit more townie because I feel T3 would be more eager to stop a scumbuddy from hanging. If Merlyn flips town then T3 would be my next vote.

I was looking at this. This suggests that Merlyn probably isn't Kitty's partner because if she is, he's saying he'll clear town upon her flip. No reason to say that as scum.
T3 isn't as clear, but I'd think that if this is indeed lining up lims, you're trying to line up town lims and not scum lims.

[Alianna]

Though it kinda depends on Merlyn flip.

You think T3 and Merlyn are connected?

If Merlyn flips scum then T3 is a bit more townie because I feel T3 would be more eager to stop a scumbuddy from hanging. If Merlyn flips town then T3 would be my next vote.

I was looking at this. This suggests that Merlyn probably isn't Kitty's partner because if she is, he's saying he'll clear town upon her flip. No reason to say that as scum.

*

T3 isn't as clear, but I'd think that if this is indeed lining up lims, you're trying to line up town lims and not scum lims.

*not in this sort of a game anyway imo.

[Alianna]

I have no clue who the mafia are lol.

[Alianna]

*attempts to perform mod-summoning ritual*

[Alianna]

*attempts to perform mod-summoning ritual*

*brings the goat for slaughter*

*slaughters the goat*

[Alianna]

Do vigis even flip as blank/loaded or do they all just flip vigi?

[Alianna]

Do vigis even flip as blank/loaded or do they all just flip vigi?

@mod

[Alianna]

Refresh, refresh, refresh...

[Alianna]

Oh no, I'm alive.

[Alianna]

Good work to whoever made that shot though.

[Alianna]

I KNOW I KNOW.
It's just that I've been a potato this game and I'm glad that other townies aren't potatoes.

[Alianna]

Good work to whoever made that shot though.

Explain your emoji, Doctor!

Well, I might have shot your buddy

Why'd ya shoot them?

I also shot them

Hmm, very interesting...

[Alianna]

I think that musing leans town.
If you're scum and you think Sky is a bomb, do you tell the vigilantes that? Probably not. I wouldn't, at least.

[Alianna]

Do we think last scum was on the kitty wagon? I'm feelin like that's where I wanna look.

I'm not sure if I buy Drew but I'm not sure if they claim shooting as scum aaa ig theres not much to lose from fakeclaiming tho

I've mulled it over and I don't see a clear advantage to fakeclaiming or not fakeclaiming. If you claim the shot as scum, you prevent anyone from being confirmed vigi with bullets, but nobody's confirmed anyway because we don't actually know what Jason did. Even if you don't claim it, though, it only matters for one day because you just RB the vig or heal yourself and kill them.

Also I think that between Drew and Sky's claims, Drew's is more suspect because he may have been hoping that Jason was the one who shot GS.

Both are probably +town though because they risk angering a live vig.

If Jason did shoot GS (and Sky didn't claim that), there's the question of "why'd the scum leave you alive?" the next day. It's pretty suspect if someone who's both "confirmed town" or close to it and has bullets lives.
I can

maybe

see that as a plan if you don't think there will be a next day.

[Alianna]

I find both Doc and Sky's reasons for the shot to be pretty plausible though.

[Alianna]

I have an idea that I think could win us the game, but it depends on how much we trust the claims and how much we're willing to gamble. Not going to explain anything yet, though. I still have to read some stuff and I might decide it's a terrible idea.

[Alianna]

I'm happy with Sky and S_S town but not so sure about Doc.
Like, he was pushing Merlyn and GS yesterday but only ever voted Merlyn in that pair, and then started a wagon on Kitty.
Merlyn and T3 are in my PoE too though.

[Alianna]

Hot damn I suck at finding associatives. I got town vibes from Merlyn and also

I'm not sure if they ask the mod to prod GS if they're scum together

. Uhh Something_Smart seems town here. I'll trust other people that drew would be less likely to fakeclaim that vig shot, but I don't like Drew's iso after the GS flip to be honest. I could see T3 or Alianna but I don't feel that strongly about either and I think it's fairly likely I'm wrong on a townread...

Reads list will come after a reread and hopefully I can get a better handle on this!

What's the reasoning for this? I don't remember the context but wouldn't scum want their buddy to show up and post?

[Alianna]

I'm not sure if they ask the mod to prod GS if they're scum together

.

What's the reasoning for this? I don't remember the context but wouldn't scum want their buddy to show up and post?

Ya but I feel in that instance scum would PM the mod? Like I'm thinking scum would be averse to the idea of asking their partner to be prodded out in the open for some reason. Kind of a moon logic read I admit

I don't know if I agree with it, but I understand the moon logic.

[Alianna]

Okay, so Merlyn's town lol.

[Alianna]

*Stands up and claps*

Bravo Merlyn, I will admit.....you are always on my mind lol.

But, KT flips town......I go back to you and BianMo overnight, between the both of you BianMo is going to be more of a headache to figure out, I choose to off them in hopes of best case I am correct and hit scum and see how it plays out with Merlyn.......

And now you are putting a LOT of effort to discredit everything about my life lol. I don't even have the effort to go through every detail(maybe later when I am drunker and on my laptop).

But counting how many times I mention how scummy a person is, especially with players such as Bianco and GMo, is not gonna help your case.

Sometimes you have to make sure your enemy has a bit of trust in you.

This feels made up after the fact. You're saying you shot the hydra because you were considering both them and Merlyn, but you thought they'd be more of a headache. Before, it was just that they'd done too many things you questioned and couldn't shake the feeling (613). It had nothing to do with Merlyn until we brought up your associative theory. To be clear here, I'm not accusing you of contradicting yourself, it's more that you've conveniently added on some details that weren't there before.

*Stands up and claps*

Bravo Merlyn, I will admit.....you are always on my mind lol.

But, KT flips town......I go back to you and BianMo overnight, between the both of you BianMo is going to be more of a headache to figure out, I choose to off them in hopes of best case I am correct and hit scum and see how it plays out with Merlyn.......

And now you are putting a LOT of effort to discredit everything about my life lol. I don't even have the effort to go through every detail(maybe later when I am drunker and on my laptop).

But counting how many times I mention how scummy a person is, especially with players such as Bianco and GMo, is not gonna help your case.

Sometimes you have to make sure your enemy has a bit of trust in you.

Willie Nelson, my friend, this is pretty much the only defense you can give- I made decisions overnight, so you couldn't see them. This is TOO MUCH EFFORT you've put in, I don't have that kind of effort and not that I can't defend against it.

But counting mention would have been a much smaller post. This is about progression of reads, and how yours don't match up to supposed actions.

You sound exactly like Jason in the newbie game.

You know, when he was scum.

This really just looks like a flimsy discredit attempt to me if you're not going to explain it.

[Alianna]

Oh, interesting, how so?

You sound exactly like Jason in the newbie game.

You know, when he was scum.

We will talk post game about it

I think I used this exact line to get out of an accusation in ChatGPT lol.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

That's E-2.

[Alianna]

I'm happy with Sky and S_S town but not so sure about Doc.
Like, he was pushing Merlyn and GS yesterday but only ever voted Merlyn in that pair, and then started a wagon on Kitty.
Merlyn and T3 are in my PoE too though.

I was actually questioning my TR on you before her post. My post even has some of the same ideas Merlyn brought up, just not expressed as clearly or with any effort.

[Alianna]

I'm happy with Sky and S_S town but not so sure about Doc.
Like, he was pushing Merlyn and GS yesterday but only ever voted Merlyn in that pair, and then started a wagon on Kitty.
Merlyn and T3 are in my PoE too though.

I was actually questioning my TR on you before her post. My post even has some of the same ideas Merlyn brought up, just not expressed as clearly or with any effort.

You do know that Sky and I could have both shot them right?(obviously one of us could have been blank)

658 was addressing how you said I believed you before her post and immediately bought into Merlyn's case because she put in effort. I was attempting to show that that isn't the case at all, and that I was actually having similar (albeit less well-formed) thoughts about you before Merlyn made her post.
I am aware that you and Sky could both have shot GS, but I'm really not seeing how that's relevant.

[Alianna]

I wasn't committed to you being scum, but the idea was in my head.

[Alianna]

I wasn't committed to you being scum, but the idea was in my head.

Lol, 10/10 post.

[Alianna]

I wasn't committed to you being scum, but the idea was in my head.

Lol, 10/10 post.

Had to give a shoutout to my buddy Gmo

Hmm...would he say something that brazen as scum? Probably not. I recall he said something in 2299 about how it would be too brazen to bring up traitor as a traitor, so would this be on a similar level? Maybe not. But maybe it would be.
But that's exactly why he

would

say this as scum in this game! Of course, I'd remember that exact statement and call him town for it.
But that's unlikely. What would be the point to it?
Maybe it means nothing.
Maybe it's just WIFOM.
Wait...is he TRYING to send me into a WIFOM spiral? He is aware of my paranoid tendencies...
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

[Alianna]

Oh, interesting, how so?

You sound exactly like Jason in the newbie game.

You know, when he was scum.

We will talk post game about it

Am I allowed to use the dubious yellow M&M face here? lol

For reals, this just sounds like you don't have anything to back up your shade at me. I'm interested in what you'll post, because I've played with Jason where he's town and his game is awfully identical to his scum one. I bet I can counter this 'argument'.

I second this.

[Alianna]

Yep, we should just vote me out right now and end it!

[Alianna]

Wait, did you think I was serious with either of those posts?

[Alianna]

Oh, sorry about that then. I tried to make it obvious, but tone hard to convey on Internet I guess. 671 was an extreme exaggeration lol.

[Alianna]

Actually, that's fair.

[Alianna]

Maybe "extreme exaggeration" was an exaggeration in itself.

[Alianna]

V/LA due to illness.

[Alianna]

I swear Jason said something about how GS was better dealt with at night. Let me find it.

[Alianna]

get used to being disappointed in my play! my vote on Grandpa isn't RVS if that means anything

I never see the point of this stuff, like how does playing like this end up being fun?

jason. i like you and i like this.

now let me fuck with you. what does supersaint do?

-mo

why would you like this if your argument is that i'm misrepresenting you (to some extent in that you are clearly implying you are town)?

how is anything i have talked about role pms alignment indictative. like from my pov, i could have done this as town, not geninuly knowing my role INFO until u said something. i knew my role name because i had to confirm it, i just didnt read any of what it is. and then from my pov, i could have done this as scum, trying to fake a townslip? but i dont understand why i would get myself in that mess in the first place knwoing you were already pressuring me

in fact, to give you more context, i didnt even know mafia goon had the rb / doc ability till i read the wiki for the 2nd time. im not saying this to give me a town cred, its just for u to move on because this is discussion that is not gonna progress us lol

Again it comes down to you calling out 2 days as a metric for how long this game will take.

You get Vig, and think we will lim scum first day, surely you think then that it should only take 1 (unless your implying you read the part where it's possible your firing blanks, at which point you have to think about what this setup contains.)

You get Bomb, Bomb is non-standard, so i assume you at least read part of the Role PM and will have read this (Quote is from the wiki)

If you are successfully shot at night

(Blank Vig targets don't count)

, the player to shoot you will also die.

this has so many implications about killing roles, that you probably have to figure out that this game is going to be high kill count and go with 1 day as well.

Supersaint is the one that doesn't match this line of thinking, but your also less likely to be Super Saint over just being scum (average of 1.5 Super saint's in the game, chance for there to be none, also chance for there to be more) this then implying that without considering anything else other then this line of thinking, your better then a coin flip to be scum over town just based on odds.

That said also given that,

i think it's better to deal with something like that at night anyway

, hence the move off of the vote and trying to get information elsewhere.

[Alianna]

I wonder if that was a crumb and our mysterious third shooter is dead.

[Alianna]

I wonder if that was a crumb and our mysterious third shooter is dead.

Hope you're feeling better!

That looks like a crumb to me- does vig resolve at night before a kill (could Jason have gotten a shot off before being NK'd?)

Theoretically, killing actions should all resolve at the same time.
I'm feeling a little better, might have some thoughts on this game later tonight.

[Alianna]

honestly i'm wondering if a mass claim could break this game in some form but probably not

I don't know if it breaks the game, but it would allow us to coordinate better.
I also don't know if there's any downsides I'm missing.
I do agree with wanting a claim from T3 though.

[Alianna]

I'm kind of done with readslists, but where I'm at is this: Sky and S_S should live, Merlyn/T3/Drew are within the range of questionable* and I can't make up my mind on the order.

*the range of "questionable" can include anything from a light TR to "CAUGHT SCUM DIE DIE DIE"

[Alianna]

I guess Merlyn's townier than the other two.

[Alianna]

I kind of want to vote T3 here, mostly for mech reasons. A claim from that slot would be good.
Let me check the VC though.

[Alianna]

Doctor Drew (E-2): Merlyn, Alianna
Merlyn (1): Doctor Drew

Not Voting (3): Skygazer, Something_Smart, T3

VOTE: T3

Yeah, I'll change this for now, just because town!Doc might have bullets and town!T3 might be a bomb (but I'm too lazy to go find the posts where people brought those points up).

[Alianna]

And I'll take this.

[Alianna]

Depends what you want to do with night actions tonight. Shooting T3 is a gamble, and I wouldn’t recommend a shot on me either.

[Alianna]

Well, I’m not a bomb but I’ll come out with it anyway. I’m a supersaint, so if the town wants to kill me, I’d rather take someone down with me.

[Alianna]

I wonder if massclaiming is actually a good idea here.

[Alianna]

I wonder if the defeated “hammer away” attitude would really come from last scum. Even though I’ve literally seen scum do that. Paranoia go brr.

[Alianna]

I don’t really see a reason not to.

[Alianna]

If everyone's willing to bet the game on me/Sky being town I think we should be in a very good place (assuming Sky is in fact town, of course ).

But I'll wait for Merlyn's claim to touch more on specific plans.

I’m good to bet the game on that.

[Alianna]

SACRIFICE! SACRIFICE! SACRIFICE!

[Alianna]

So does anyone object to the plan?

[Alianna]

I'll do it so Drew and Merlyn can have their poetry if we're wrong.

VOTE: Alianna

[Alianna]

Then I'll VOTE: Merlyn. That is E-1.

Merlyn (E-1): Doctor Drew, Skygazer, Alianna
Doctor Drew (E-2): Merlyn, T3

Not Voting (1): Something_Smart

[Alianna]

*attempts to perform T3-summoning ritual*

[Alianna]

*attempts to perform T3-summoning ritual*

But we already killed the goat for the mod-summoning ritual Alianna

We don't need a goat, we're sacrificing you!

[Alianna]

viewtopic.php?t=91048

It says I don't have authority to read that forum, sorry

You can request it by going to the User Control Panel, selecting the Usergroups tab, checking the box for Get To Know A Scummer access, and clicking Submit at the bottom.

[Alianna]

Hmmm....do we have a back up plan? Lim t3 if he doesn't engage?

We basically have to.

[Alianna]

Pagetop!

[Alianna]

That did look like a defeated scum hammer.

[Alianna]

I have plenty of goats, I just didn't volunteer one for the T3-summoning ritual because I felt human sacrifice would please the Blood God more.

[Alianna]

life is more important than mafia!!

some people on this site would disagree w me though lol

The next game we are in is the most important game ever.

*Stares at Alianna intently*

Revenge will not be yours.

[Alianna]

Ugh, please let my townstreak come to an end.
That is probably how it'll go though XD.

[Alianna]

GG everyone!

[Alianna]

Lol yeah.