TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[petapan]

i took a single day off from the game because i was feeling sick and to have it implied i was trying to lurk out and only started posting due to getting voted by you is really insulting

In fairness, regardless of reasoning you did drop off a bit. I accept the reasoning and most certainly no longer have reservations with the amount of contribution you're giving (It's better than most of the thread) but your reaction is surprisingly strong here.

Do you think Rat is trying to paint a narrative or do you think rat is town who is just being generally uncharitable?

if i would probably not be as annoyed if i thought it was scum doing it because then it would register as insincere

[petapan]

people fluffing with their friends

Is there anyone 'fluffing with their friends' in lieu of giving content fypov? Afaict, the big offenders for not giving content are kind of just not doing anything at all.

oh, and UNVOTE:

Not sure I endorse a peta lim atm.

no that was a reaction radical rat's suggestion that me naked voting in rvs is unhelpful when it's purely a stylistic choice for me and i usually get decent mileage out of it

[Radical Rat]

Let that suspicion sit for a while to see if you ever got better and... not really. It's picked up a bit now that you're actually in danger though, so let's keep that danger looming a bit, eh?

hey, this really made me angry, so if you could not talk to me this way ever that would be great

I'm sorry, I'm actually confused here. Is it just because it's too theatrical?

i took a single day off from the game because i was feeling sick and to have it implied i was trying to lurk out and only started posting due to getting voted by you is really insulting

Okay, I understand now. I'm sorry I portrayed it that way, I should have been more clear.

I was referring more to post quality than quantity though. Before your wagon happened, you weren't really taking stances on things, it all felt very non-committal. Now it doesn't. I don't hold being sick for a day against you, but there has been a dramatic shift in the content of your posting before and after the formation of a wagon, and that's what I'm referring to here

[petapan]

my stances get more defined as the day goes on because that's kind of how the game works

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: cerb

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Let that suspicion sit for a while to see if you ever got better and... not really. It's picked up a bit now that you're actually in danger though, so let's keep that danger looming a bit, eh?

hey, this really made me angry, so if you could not talk to me this way ever that would be great

I'm sorry, I'm actually confused here. Is it just because it's too theatrical?

i took a single day off from the game because i was feeling sick and to have it implied i was trying to lurk out and only started posting due to getting voted by you is really insulting

Okay, I understand now. I'm sorry I portrayed it that way, I should have been more clear.

I was referring more to post quality than quantity though. Before your wagon happened, you weren't really taking stances on things, it all felt very non-committal. Now it doesn't. I don't hold being sick for a day against you, but there has been a dramatic shift in the content of your posting before and after the formation of a wagon, and that's what I'm referring to here

What did you think of his latest catch-up?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

JUST FOR YOU ADORABLE!!!

I'm currently null on everyone at the moment.

If no one wants the double vote power up then I'll be willing to take it.

Why are you even saying these things? I don't see an objective to either post?

We should still probably give it to someone, right?

Why?

It doesn't do anything and just bloats the thread to do so.

What does that mean by bloats the thread?

I don't want to hate on someone for asking questions, but what is your objective here? I assume you know what bloating the thread means, and also understand why talking about this would do so. Which means you have some other objective to asking the question, so what is it?

My objective was to let players know that I didn't have any reads and it's better to share what I have been feeling instead of keeping it to myself. A teammate of mine said I should get the double vote power which is why I said in the thread I would be willing to take it. I didn't know on what bloating the thread means which is why I asked.

Interesting. This post is approximately 55% scum, 45% town. I think it's *slighly* more scum than town to want to get your thoughts out in the game ahead of people questioning you about them, and it's *definitely* more scum than town to defer responsibility for doing something that the game has decided is scummy. Interesting that you did not know what was meant by bloating the thread, but understood, makes sense in that case.

This is the last post Koba specifically called out as bad from cerbs (waffley weak uses a lot of words to say not a lot of substance).

I don’t know if there are specific posts since then they liked, but I did let Koba know that “a lot of words” is a NAI thing for cerbs afaicr so it might have been a reread thing. I’ll get back to you when they see this.

Agree that post was kinda weak but the feeling didn't improve after this even though he was mostly talking at me

[Jingle]

Agree that post was kinda weak but the feeling didn't improve after this even though he was mostly talking at me

Yeah, I completely get where you're coming from. cerbs has just kinda been around fmpov, which isn't particularly surprising. There are bits I've liked, and bits I haven't, but nothing to really push my read far in either direction. tbh, I haven't put a lot of time or effort into solving him today. Koba still hasn't seen the discord message about wanting to know what was liked, but I'll let you know when that changes.

I am vaguely interested in the fact that this wagon only showed up while cerbs was V/LA and I think that says you and Adorable probably aren't cerb partners. Scum don't tend to bus their buddy when they can't defend themselves if they'll presumably be better able to defend themselves later. It also makes me feel a bit better about both of you that you don't give a shit about the optics of voting someone right after they dip like that too in a general sense.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Interested in joining us?

[Jingle]

Waiting to hear back from Koba, but maybe.

[Jingle]

VOTE: cerbs

Afaict, me telling Koba to temper their expectations for hard stances lead to an over correction. Im fine with this while the rest of the stew cooks.

[Fate]

Not caught up myself either but wagoning an afk person doesn't seem this most productive course of action
Even porkens is better at this point

[Radical Rat]

Let that suspicion sit for a while to see if you ever got better and... not really. It's picked up a bit now that you're actually in danger though, so let's keep that danger looming a bit, eh?

hey, this really made me angry, so if you could not talk to me this way ever that would be great

I'm sorry, I'm actually confused here. Is it just because it's too theatrical?

i took a single day off from the game because i was feeling sick and to have it implied i was trying to lurk out and only started posting due to getting voted by you is really insulting

Okay, I understand now. I'm sorry I portrayed it that way, I should have been more clear.

I was referring more to post quality than quantity though. Before your wagon happened, you weren't really taking stances on things, it all felt very non-committal. Now it doesn't. I don't hold being sick for a day against you, but there has been a dramatic shift in the content of your posting before and after the formation of a wagon, and that's what I'm referring to here

What did you think of his latest catch-up?

It's mostly fine, though there's a lot of waffling on HPE, and it is such a contrast to the early game that it has me worried.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Contrast to early game when there was less content to comment on?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Not caught up myself either but wagoning an afk person doesn't seem this most productive course of action
Even porkens is better at this point

Yeah these Cerbs votes are fine imo but the timing is just a little... opportunistic, kinda?? But Cerb is either way a slot this one has had doubts about for a while because what he's offered in his posts when he's around feels kinda lacking.

[Adorable]

Cerb has said some pretty shady stuff which can't be ignored. Some players caught onto it.

[Radical Rat]

Contrast to early game when there was less content to comment on?

This is true, and yet the feeling persists

[Cat Scratch Fever]

open chatgpt: viewtopic.php?t=90462 (again he's gimmicking for 13 posts or so, keep scrolling down and you'll see where he stops using chatgpt to write responses)
weird dreams mafia: viewtopic.php?t=90611 (it's a replace in, but, like, that game had a similarish number of posts to where this one is at now)

like he can be lazy and low effort at times but all available evidence from what i've seen is that as town he is capable of actually trying but as scum he barely cares

Got around to double checking some of his meta. He's capable of doing more as both alignments than he has shown here, but he does strike me as someone who needs more time to fake analysis / reads as scum:

Scum game 1

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

I'm getting to this I swear to god

Is there a reason why you've yet to place a vote on anyone?

Yeah - I don't have a clue. I'll put something together tomorrow

As in I don't have any reads because I haven't even skimmed everything yet.

Scum game 2

Spoiler:

Subject: Micro 1061: If Trees Could Scream [Game Over]

PORKENS CAN YOU POST A LIST OF YOUR READS

VOTE: porkens

Fine gosh now I’ll actually have to read the ttread

Scum game 3

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

The major thing I was basing Porkens off of was oh gamma is voting there and vice versa so probably town right
then I remembered gamma bussed everyone on his scumteam in my game and that porkens iso is still pretty awful

so maybe that's just the third and this game is really easy and we can all go home and drink wine

VOTE: porkens

no no stop

i promise I will start actually playing this game tomorrow.

please don't lynch me in the next 24 hours. I will read and post actual things

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As scum, there's a general pattern of saying "I haven't been reading the game seriously yet" as an excuse for not having more serious thoughts or for having underdeveloped reads early in the game.

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I don't doubt that he's busy when he wrote these posts, but playing scum requires more time to think about the game & that seems to be true for Porkens.

The same kind of posting is present this game too:

Spoiler:

Jeeze Louise of course just gut I haven’t read the game

The game was only on page 7 at this point lol - how long does it take to read the game?

Cause I gut your town and I haven’t read enough to c

I’m gunna read soon

“Tedious”? Dang.

Can you for once actually comment on the game, actually give thoughts on what's happening, instead of being obnoxious?

Soon. How am I being obnoxious?

Gonna sleep now as my first wall of text in years has drained me. I do want to note, not providing any insight as to where you stand and not committing to anything is not a playstyle difference.

Tell me who you like most, tell me who you lije least. I don't care about questions posed if you never follow up.

I’ll do it later

I didn't want to include this in the spoiler, because I think it's a good example of what I'm trying to express here. This interaction seemed like a bad dodge when asked a basic question of "who do you like / dislike" - that's the kind of question that really should not take that much time or consideration to answer.

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He doesn't do this as town because all he has to do is post his genuine thoughts. It's hard to quote the absence of something, but here are some town games I looked at:

• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=53&t=89907&user_select%5B%5D=9469
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90036&user_select%5B%5D=9469
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=23&t=90462&user_select%5B%5D=9469 - he does say he was going to post a readslist later in this post, but before that he already had more game-related content. More importantly, he's not using this as an excuse for not having more serious content. In fact, he even says that "posts were a lightning rod that generated the majority of content in this game so far" earlier.
  
• viewtopic.php?p=13565215&f=51&t=90144&u ... #p13565215
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90611&user_select%5B%5D=9469

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As a bonus, Porkens' vote in 163 also looks worse if HPE and wgeurts are indeed both town, which is kinda where I'm at.

VOTE: Porkens

[Jingle]

Yeah these Cerbs votes are fine imo but the timing is just a little... opportunistic, kinda??

I actually see this as fairly clearing for adorable and CSF, because scum would absolutely not want to look that opportunistic.

Obviously, that same logic doesn't apply to me, or anyone voting there now, but those two are pretty much locktown for me atp.

[Adorable]

I'm not a fan of meta reads. Porkens play reminds me of some of the players I play with on WG. It could be lazy town or scum. Porkens is a slot I wouldn't mind going over if they don't give more thoughts about the game.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 1.8

wgeurts (2) - Porkens, HighPrincessErinys
HighPrincessErinys (2) - wgeurts, Fate
Porkens (2) - Petapan, Cat Scratch Fever
Cerberus v666 (2) - Adorable, Jingle
Petapan (1) - Radical Rat

Not voting (1) - Cerberus v666

(expired on 2023-04-26 11:46:00) remain until day end

Cerberus is on V/LA through Monday.

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm not a fan of meta reads. Porkens play reminds me of some of the players I play with on WG. It could be lazy town or scum. Porkens is a slot I wouldn't mind going over if they don't give more thoughts about the game.

I didn't really get the impression that he was lazy town from my iso dives

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I wouldn't mind seeing competing porkens and cerb wagons

[Jingle]

Apologies if I missed it, but did you ever explain your townread on wgeurts, CSF?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Apologies if I missed it, but did you ever explain your townread on wgeurts, CSF?

I found the argument that they demonstrated a lot of heart in their push on HPE and therefore genuinely believe in their scumread to be fairly compelling

Their wall does seem reminiscent of some confbias-y cases written by town. They scumread a set of behaviors that HPE displayed since early game, and when it continued to play the same way, they became more and more convinced of their read