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Post Post #600 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:19 pm

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In post 52, northsidegal wrote:VOTE: xreckoner

i'm leaning towards nos as town so far.
In post 487, northsidegal wrote:20 pages, this ought to be interesting
i copy and pasted the only 2 posts that don't have any specific town!NSG equity in her ISO.
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Post Post #601 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:23 pm

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This is gonna be a lot less detailed because it's mostly gut, but this read is only minimally less certain than the one that preceded it. It's just a lot more gut and a lot less easy to explain.
In post 568, Gammagooey wrote:@koki & RC - why do you think NSG is likely scum here? Cause her reads and posts that she's made so far seem perfectly fine to me, the only real complaint I'd have about her is that she doesn't seem as aggressive about her reads as she was in the one town game I've seen her in but I think that makes sense given that game was a large and this is a mini that just started this week.
In post 571, Gammagooey wrote:not personally I don't think, reck vs pie in face-to-face mafia is pretty magical though

if you're confident enough to basically declare "If I'm wrong about this I'm scum and you should lynch me" then I can mayyybe deal with it but otherwise I'd much rather see you actually try to explain it through whatever combination of gut feeling descriptions and playstyle quirks that you can.
That 'one complaint' thing is textbook scum talking about town that other town are pushing: set yourself up as townreading them but being 'open enough' to being persuaded to justify a transition if the case is good enough to get a lynch through. The second one is full on scum!Gamma hoping that I'm wrong and willing to all in on this and take a mislynch.
In post 112, Gammagooey wrote:
In post 99, Shoshin wrote:Also, I disagree with NSG that Nos feels town (what's "natural" about calling RC scummy and then doubling down with shitposting?), and I don't see where Gamma got the idea that Nos scumread RC for spamposting nor do I see how his logic makes any sense?
he's not scumreading RC for spamposting as far as I can tell

RC was spamposting early on (or at least had the most posts in the game at the time with content that I think was meaningless) and Nos trying to irritate that type of player early just seems dumb to do as scum.
This is a lazy TMI read on town: I've seen scum come up these kinds of reads a ridiculous amount.
Would it possibly be town? Yes- but tonally it feels scum even though I can't do much to substantiate that.

Not going to copy in quotes but I don't think that town!Gamma would be as invested in fighting the Creature townread, I think that it's fairly likely to come from Scum!Gamma who isn't happy about the number of mutual townreads flying around making the lynchpool extremely scarce.
In post 414, Gammagooey wrote:Like his best post so far is #113 which is fine but not amazing and everything else feels between null and bad, and given the amount of people scumreading him to some extent it feels like we can make a real actual wagon happen even though nobody else is actually voting him right now.
The phrasing of this is just really scummy, I think a few other people touched base on it.
so varsoon having a weird-ass read on reck seems well within what he could do as either alignment and I feel like half of the last like 8 pages has just been people spiraling off of that into deeper and deeper quoteholes with him and whoever he's arguing with scumreading each other. varsoon had a pretty good point deep in there about RC playing dishonestly given RC's posts saying that varsoon was townreading him when he never did and this 'reasonable dude vs horrible assholes' thing
This is the holy grail thing that I think is basically scumfirming but fuck if I can explain it to anyone in a viable way.

I guess that's the best I can do here but there's a lot of stuff in this ISO that vibes scum and every mutual interaction with Irrelephant and I feel p confsies this is 2/3.

Kokichi is my best guess for the third.
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Post Post #602 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:28 pm

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I dont get your read on me by just poe. Like unbiased I think I've had towny reactions especially to varsoon.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #603 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:28 pm

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Which of my specific read placements do you disagree with
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Post Post #604 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:31 pm

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Like I think I could totally be wrong on you
I don't think i'm wrong on the other two, you're just my best fit for #3

I don't think it's difficult to understand my reads generally

There's, like, Porkens is where I'm wrong and Irrelephant didn't follow up because he was giving his scumbuddy a chance and Gamma is bussing him or something?
There's also Reckoner is actually scum and being antagonistic because he's scum which would make me feel really good but meh

I kinda think it's not varsoon, maybe varsoon should go higher than he currently is on the readslist
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Post Post #605 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:34 pm

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What should I not scumread about varsoon? Cause only things that have been maybe an inch town was his ate. And even that's NAI
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #606 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:38 pm

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Mostly his interactions with people who are scum
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Post Post #607 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:41 pm

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Regardless, you're still contesting people who are plausibly in the lynchpool

Is there any of my top 7 that you contest because agreeing on that top 7 means autowin
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Post Post #608 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:42 pm

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Rc is masterminding.
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Post Post #609 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:43 pm

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Go away, please.
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Post Post #610 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:44 pm

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Actually porkens is a decent candidate for third, idk why I put him so high.
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Post Post #611 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:44 pm

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Yeah, this is petulant rc. Countdown to tears and replacing out in 3...2...1...
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Post Post #612 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:44 pm

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Is there a problem, Porkens?
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Post Post #613 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:48 pm

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Rethought about

{RC, NSG}
{Shoshin, Creature, Nosferatu}
{Sircakez, Skitter}
{Varsoon}
-null line- {Reckoner}
{Kokichi Oma, Porkens}
{Gammagooey}
{Irrelephant}
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Post Post #614 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:50 pm

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The major thing I was basing Porkens off of was oh gamma is voting there and vice versa so probably town right
then I remembered gamma bussed everyone on his scumteam in my game and that porkens iso is still pretty awful

so maybe that's just the third and this game is really easy and we can all go home and drink wine
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Post Post #615 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:03 pm

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I wish I had someone to engage with me about this rn.
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Post Post #616 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:37 pm

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I just skimmed and will respond to stuff in the morning but glad you're staying in RC.
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Post Post #617 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:59 pm

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VOTE: porkens
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Post Post #618 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:05 pm

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Porkens will eat a lynch if he's scum

I don't trust gamma or Irrelephant to be lynched without me.
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Post Post #619 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:42 pm

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no no stop

i promise I will start actually playing this game tomorrow.

please don't lynch me in the next 24 hours. I will read and post actual things
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Post Post #620 (ISO) » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:40 pm

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I really don't ahve time to read it all, can someone summarize for me?
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Post Post #621 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:25 am

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In post 613, RadiantCowbells wrote:Rethought about

{RC, NSG}
{Shoshin, Creature, Nosferatu}
{Sircakez, Skitter}
{Varsoon}
-null line- {Reckoner}
{Kokichi Oma, Porkens}
{Gammagooey}
{Irrelephant}
Yey

So what about Irrelephant?
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Post Post #622 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:27 am

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I'm super wary of the RC flip on reads: On one hand, it strikes me as someone who did have to take a step back, breathe, assess the content, and come to a more informed position. On the other, though, that's NAI because it'd have to happen for scum-RC to ensure some deal of survivability just as much as it'd need to come from town RC for the same reasons. I DO like the content there more than before, but I'm still sussing through it.
In post 509, Shoshin wrote:Varsoon, why would you be surprised at how "stubborn" I am when I literally said I was going to "death tunnel" anyone who pushed Creature's lynch? Like, stubbornness shouldn't be surprising at all after that.
...so why aren't you death-tunneling Nosferatu?
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Post Post #623 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:31 am

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Your problem here is thinking that you would threaten me at all as scum.
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Post Post #624 (ISO) » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:01 am

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In post 619, Porkens wrote:no no stop

i promise I will start actually playing this game tomorrow.

please don't lynch me in the next 24 hours. I will read and post actual things
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