Micro 1072: Turf Wars | Game Over

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HI FURTIVE!

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this is my first micro, and this is a fun setup, so i'm excited to play with yall
dropping an rvs vote on VOTE: aureal, hi to you too! o/

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is there any downside to outting neighborhoods?

probably not, but scum could just kill all the other neighborhoods and prevent them from a kill or use their rb
huh wait how does the roleblock/kill thing even work? is it both people visiting one person and if you rb one of them it stops the kill? or is it just one out of the two?

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it literally doesn't say....

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Neighbors must also agree on who performs the action, if a target is chosen/agreed upon.

OH okay i somehow missed that

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this is my first micro, and this is a fun setup, so i'm excited to play with yall
dropping an rvs vote on VOTE: aureal, hi to you too! o/

Why has RVSing survived all these years on MS?

is it a bad thing? in my opinion dropping votes on people and talking about them helps to generate discussion and get the actual game into play

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I think it's probably best to keep the neighborhood info quiet for now, although I do have an idea for later that would probably involve getting some information.

Now... A MASSCLAIM on the other hand, go go go! I'm VT.

how can you be a vt if the setup is all just neighbors

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oh wait

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i don't think massclaiming's gonna do anything because everyone's just a neighbor and even if we claim neighborhoods it'd be hard to root out who is who
i am town though so if i get tunneled this game i'll be pretty pissed tbh

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If I get tunnelled and live then me and [redacted] will get you so you better kill me dead

same

also mods if neighbor a targets neighbor b and neighbor b targets neighbor a (for a kill), do they both die?

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PAGETOP

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i don't think massclaiming's gonna do anything because everyone's just a neighbor and even if we claim neighborhoods it'd be hard to root out who is who
i am town though so if i get tunneled this game i'll be pretty pissed tbh

I think you're taking everything too seriously

how

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patchwork, congratulations on getting a townread from me

why

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patchwork, congratulations on getting a townread from me

why

You fit the typical archetype of the overexcited newbie who likes sunshine and rainbows and wants to be as helpful as they can

...have you even seen my other games

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i don't think massclaiming's gonna do anything because everyone's just a neighbor and even if we claim neighborhoods it'd be hard to root out who is who
i am town though so if i get tunneled this game i'll be pretty pissed tbh

I think you're taking everything too seriously

how

I'll let you figure that out for yourself

??? ok i guess

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i'm really not that much of a newbie and i Hope i dont seem that incompetent lmao, i'm pretty garbage at scumhunting though and i've gotten scrutinized for it in basically all my games

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it's a little strange how you can be so confident in my being town on page two
i dont even feel like im coming off that way either

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i'm really not that much of a newbie and i Hope i dont seem that incompetent lmao, i'm pretty garbage at scumhunting though and i've gotten scrutinized for it in basically all my games

It's your first Micro so you're basically a newbie
The secret to scumhunting is reading people's interactions. People are competent enough to appear towny so just reading people is usually pointless

ok fair, also thanks for the tip

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it's a little strange how you can be so confident in my being town on page two
i dont even feel like im coming off that way either

That's fine, let's agree to disagree

ok
does anyone else tr me for the same reason though..?? cause tbh it seems like its just you

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sorry, that wasn't supposed to be pointed
was just asking everyone

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no, i just want to see if other people townread me and if there's a difference in reason (and not because of your reason, which is basically "patch is super excited, town")

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no, i just want to see if other people townread me and if there's a difference in reason (and not because of your reason, which is basically "patch is super excited, town")

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what does this mean

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can i have an evil muffin?

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hey KittyTacky when you get onto the game can you provide your opinion on the players (especially furtive and lorne)

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no, i just want to see if other people townread me and if there's a difference in reason (and not because of your reason, which is basically "patch is super excited, town")

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what does this mean

Something like "sounds good"

oh that's chill

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btw drew. can you quit fluffposting, thanks!

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VOTE: drew definitely

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now drew it'd be sick if you could provide some actual opinions on the game, be it on setup, players so far, opinions on interactions
but i mean feel free to keep fluffposting, we can hammer you then

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btw drew. can you quit fluffposting, thanks!

I mean, you asked if you wanted a muffin. I like to have fun when I post, get used to it.

And why are you caring so much about Kitty's opinion?

Pre Edit: Calm down Patch, the game literally just started and people are just settling in. I already said I am feeling a little weird about Lorn snap town reading you for a mysterious reason, but ironically do think you are town spewing.

Also, you just talked yourself out of an evil muffin.

i'm asking kitty in specific because they asides from oxclavian are the only ones who haven't posted, and oxclavian hasn't confirmed so i'm not gonna bother to ask them

.... no i will not calm down

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my neighbor is def town by the way

who

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my neighbor is def town by the way

who

You

no we're neighbors

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you can be town too tho

yay(?????)

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:shrug: it's page 3

Exactly, so don't throw out townreads yet, it's a recipe for disaster

you literally townread me at

page two

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You could live between me and Sky and be the neighbour of us both

i'd love to

I don't throw out townreads, I know what I'm doing

pretty sure sky knows what they're doing too
but oh well i'll take your word for it

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townreads so far are skygazer and lorne malvo in that order, everyone else is null because no one is Contenting

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ok but lorne's townread has weird vibes though right

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PAGETOP

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ok but lorne's townread has weird vibes though right

Yes

Not asking you

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hey, lorne, skygazer, before we lapse into unrelated conversation, what're your takes on aureal and furtive?

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hey, lorne, skygazer, before we lapse into unrelated conversation, what're your takes on aureal and furtive?

Nonexistent

same

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furtive is that seriously the first thing you come back with lol

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furtive please talk players and not mechanics

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they're not even contributing

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furtive please talk players and not mechanics

I townread you
I think Lorne's content could come from scum but I'll give them slight +town so far
Drew seems to be in his town meta

Who else is in this game?

thanks!! stargazer posted too whats your take on her

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they're not even contributing

who?

this was in response to drew asking me about "wanting to control the narrative" or something

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Oh and Skygazer is the player who's given me the scummiest vibes so far

explain?

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Oh and Skygazer is the player who's given me the scummiest vibes so far

explain?

"found scum gg"

makes sense UNVOTE:

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because if things were to "organically happen" nothing would happen at all
we need to be talking about the games and the players and solve, not just stand around and talk about the setup (which i;m sure that at this point, everyone has seen)

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like tbh nothing's really been happening at all, a large majority of the posts here have been fluffy or have barely any substance

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Nothing would happen?? This thing is moving at a page per hour, and still all totally within my workday.

it's because i'm carrying

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and no i'm not saying that out of ego, i literally have fifty posts which is more than most of you

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Posting doesn't equal carrying - this isn't cookie clicker.

i mean carrying the pagecount lmao

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It is like you are afraid for things to organically happen, again 'control the narrative'.

not really? i can't get anything related to someone's alignment out of fluffposting. i prefer to read based on vibe and interactions with other users, but if someone's just being goofy i can't really do that.

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how do i even explain this lol
i want to discuss the game and such but no one's really posting, and then furtive pops in to talk about the setup (which everyone has seen if they're playing this game, because that's what you do before you sign up for a random micro). it is a little agitating because furtive hasn't really been doing much prior to this, and talking about the setup is a way you can look towny but not actually contribute. that's why i asked them to stop talking about setup and talk about the actual game and the players who have posted.
and then i feel like none of you are really taking me seriously, which is frustrating. like, idk, there's really not much to talk about, and we have two slots who haven't posted at all, and then no one's really actually talking about the game itself and it's just Stressful, i guess. i want people to have discussions about the game so we can solve faster but no one's really there to engage me, and questioning lorne about his strangely fast tr on me got no good ends... i'm really not trying to control the way the game goes, it's just that nothing is really happening atm and i want to Talk to people
pedit: sorry if i'm making the activity levels too high or something. idk i'm just wanting to Talk with People abou the game and that's just not happening

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(that being said i'll try to cut back on my spam)

same

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patchwork, I gave a few reads. Do you want to agree/disagree?

i saw them but i haven't actually properly responded, let me do that rn, thanks for reminding me

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furtive please talk players and not mechanics

I townread you
I think Lorne's content could come from scum but I'll give them slight +town so far
Drew seems to be in his town meta

Who else is in this game?

Oh and Skygazer is the player who's given me the scummiest vibes so far

here are the posts
right so on me: why do you townread me?
personally, i disagree with skygazer. i like her vibes a ton and think that while they have a few sketchy vibes, they're probably a null or townlean for me. the drew push was something i agreed with because Content Please Dude, though i was a little more skeptical of how they went ahead and jumped on you.
unsure if the drew read is a townread, but because i haven't seen their play i can't comment on that. to me, drew seems like a null because their play isn't explicitly towny or scummy to me.
i agree with your take on lorne. it could come from both town and scum, and i was definitely very skeptical about it (like how do you drop a tr on me at Page Two ??) but they could just be confident town. they have this very unhinged sort of feel to them that i like, and it's it’s sort of a town-attributable thing and not something that mafia cna replicate very easily imo

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I didn't appreciate being told I can't have fun and make jokey posts. That part annoyed me, but the bigger picture of Patch stearing conversation to their liking is what bothers me about them in regards to the game.

no one's having any real discussion though ?? asking someone to stop posting about setup (we all know what the setup is) and post about reads isn't anti-town
it's towny, in fact

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Who said you were anti-town?

implications

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Why specifically furtive and Lorne? Did they do something in particular that makes you want other opinions?

both interesting slots and i am divided on

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Okay patch, how about you explain this unvote? Skygazer says Drew is scummy so you vote Drew. Then furtive says actually Skygazer is the scummy one so you unvote Drew? Did furtive actually convince you that Skygazer is scummy?

no, i remembered that i was basically just bandwagoning on drew for fluffposting in what is basically still rvs (silly goofy stage) and i didn't want to just blindly sheep stargazer as well, so those are the two factors that went into my unvote

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how do i even explain this lol
i want to discuss the game and such but no one's really posting, and then furtive pops in to talk about the setup (which everyone has seen if they're playing this game, because that's what you do before you sign up for a random micro). it is a little agitating because furtive hasn't really been doing much prior to this, and talking about the setup is a way you can look towny but not actually contribute. that's why i asked them to stop talking about setup and talk about the actual game and the players who have posted.
and then i feel like none of you are really taking me seriously, which is frustrating. like, idk, there's really not much to talk about, and we have two slots who haven't posted at all, and then no one's really actually talking about the game itself and it's just Stressful, i guess. i want people to have discussions about the game so we can solve faster but no one's really there to engage me, and questioning lorne about his strangely fast tr on me got no good ends... i'm really not trying to control the way the game goes, it's just that nothing is really happening atm and i want to Talk to people
pedit: sorry if i'm making the activity levels too high or something. idk i'm just wanting to Talk with People abou the game and that's just not happening

You don't want people to make jokes. You don't want people to talk about the setup. You want people to focus on 'the game' but you don't realize that all of that IS part of the game.

If you want people to talk about players, how about you do it instead of insisting that other people do it? What do you think about furtive's comment about being cleared if your neighbour is mafia? Do you think he just made a mistake in reading, or did he slip up because he has TMI? You had an interesting reaction to it, but didn't directly give an opinion about it.

oh shit yeah that's fair, my bad 100%

i think furtive's comment was just misreading. i can't jump to assumptions regarding it, and it'd kind of be an asshole move to assume it's TMI when it could just as easily be human error. mostly just because of te following posts which went a little something like "are we looking at the same setup" "wait i thought scum was always partnered with town"

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small post that i wanna make before reading and replying to page 2:

we're a system. this is the system's account. it means there's multiple people in our head, who all share the same body. effectively meatspace hydra. it'll mostly be me+kori playing, since i've played under Vex Vience before, and kori has played under Korina before. we're mostly gonna be limiting it to me+kori posting, but you might see us referencing thoughts from others in the system.

-grim

oh, sick! i have a friend who's diagnosed with OSDD and they struggle with it a lot, but it's interesting to see yall playing mafia as a system!

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grim: this would be a good post a little later in the game imo, esp with the previous post asking for this. i think it's fair to give ppl some time and space to enter the game on p3 tho.

is that a bad thing? /genq
i don't really get what that means

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grim: our opinion on furtive - i haven't seen anything i can remember abt him posting, so null. if he's posted, he's posted absolutely nothing meaningful to kori+me, so null.
lorne, probably town? i feel like its a little early to be tring ppl on p2/p3, but i feel like lorne has the right idea so far?

also oclaxians. but oxclavian is funny and i'll accept it.

thank you for contributing!

grim: lol, i don't like this attempt at fishing for sky's neighbor.

my bad, it's just like
"m,y neighbor is definitely town" like why not just say "x is town" in the thread? like we're not gonna know who your neighbor is, and you're not going to claim with your neighbor anytime soon because it can get your actions blocked... it doesn't really mean much

grim: why does someone coming across as unreserved make u think they might be town?

it's less their confidence and more that their thoughts don't seem.. reserved. they're not keeping anything to themself, they contribute(?), etc. they sort of have this sort of stream of consciousness throughout their posts that seem decently consistent (could be wrong on this) and also the style in which they post is just generally not something that maf can replicate very well.
feel free to ask me for further clarifications if this doesn't make sense, i'm shit at communication.

grim: it's p4 at the time of this post. ppl have lives outside of the game. it's ok if ppl dont wanna content for like the first five or six pages lol.

yeah, it's not a bad thing necessarily that they're not contenting. i get i was a little impatient earlier because usually in my newbies we've had plenty going on in the first few pages and i kind of expected micros to be similar, but i get now that it was wrong to have the same expectation.

grim: what's the point of asking this question? it feels like u know what you want to think but u want someone to confirm what u think? like... i'm a little confused.

i think it's just that i was concerned about it, but wanted to see if folks had the same take as me on it because i tend to misread things a lot in terms of tone and misunderstand really easily (i'm nd and it kinda sucks) and it gets worse over the internet. so i wanted to see if i wasn't just misunderstanding or not getting it, and if i wasn't alone.

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you posted while i was still replyng. i'll get to that

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grim: mech talk is ok imo. that's a lot of what i did when i played under vv was talk mech. i think at the beginning of the game mech talk to get out of rvs is good, and maybe a little past rvs is ok. i don't see a problem with that.

fair. mainly my issue with it was that furtive just appears out of the blue with a false statement about mechanics, but doesn't really talk about the players so far. but i can see that i was probably in the wrong there for requesting furtive to stop talking about mechanics.

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How does this make sense?

blatantly asserting that you've "found scum" in the same way you'd wave a red flag in front of a bull's face as a way to get players to pay attention to you could come from a scum perspective, because in theory scum is supposed to be quiet and avoid that attention to avoid scumreads, so a scum member could do the exact opposite for towncred.
or at least that's how i understood it. i don't really scumread stargazer and the post doesn't ping me that much because it's literally just NAI, and i'm more confident about stargazer town than stargazer scum. also, they have the best vibes

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grim (+kori): if ppl consistently fluff-post all game they're likely scum. there r some ppl on site who literally do that as their playstyle. not_mafia comes to mind. it's possible, just more difficult to do so.

oh, okay. i don't think drew is scum though, because they were only Sillyposting in the first few pages and challenged me afterwards about it

Kori: This is townie.

how? i was mostly just responding to their posts regarding the fluffposting thing to explain my thoughts about the Whole Shebang
but now i know i was in the wrong for trying to force discussion, because that's kind of an asshole move and drew absolutely has the right to sillypost in the first ten pages if they want

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also someone in another gmame complained about my style of posting which was basically flooding the thread with posts while i responded to things, please let me know if it's too much for any of you! if so, i'll try to condense my thoughts in a better manner.

oo you guys posted again ill respond in another post !!!

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wait is stargazer's username actually skygazer and have i been getting it wrong this entire time because their avatar is stars

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wait is stargazer's username actually skygazer and have i been getting it wrong this entire time because their avatar is stars

BRUH i have

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actually have to respond now....

grim: i feel like that's just sky tbh. i think if u said randomly "x is town" ppl would assume that ur neighbors with that person, esp bc neighborhoods have the potential to be pseduo-masonries in the game anyways.

oh. okay. yeah that makes sense, my bad for masoin-hunting

Newbies are very different from any other game on the site. Most of the time, you have some blend of new players who are really eager to get into it, and start playing the game, whereas in micros or any other game on site, you more likely have people who at least know others, and kinda wanna slow-play a little bit more. At least, that's my opinion.

alright, thanks for the clarification

That makes sense. We don't necessarily think it has weird vibes, but I could see how someone would think it's weird.

alright. glad i'm making sense

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Drel: I think it's a fair statement, because it's the same assumption we had at the start anyways, that mafia flipping means the other is confirmed town, but that's clearly not true. Like someone said earlier, it's more likely to come from town in our opinion, rather than scum going "haha, I can post this to look townie!"

yeah, i agree on that take.

Scum don't necessarily need to remain quiet and out of sight to win. Scum can very easily win by loudly forcing the town into some 1v1s, and derail the thread. If scum remain quiet and not say anything, town are more likely to actually find them out, whereas if scum try to maintain activity and play loudly, and try to confuse the town, they tend to win more. I know town of salem isn't a perfect example for stuff like this, but like, if scum just remain quiet and don't try to do anything, they get killed. Scum wins more games if they actively play the game and try to muddy the waters.

oh okay got it

I think town is more likely to make a paragraph like that, that early in the game compared to scum. It's nothing like, super concrete, but it's something I feel town does more than scum.

okay seems chill

are you guys caught up yet? if so, could we get a readlist? like towny at the top, scummy at the bottom?

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How does this make sense?

blatantly asserting that you've "found scum" in the same way you'd wave a red flag in front of a bull's face as a way to get players to pay attention to you could come from a scum perspective, because in theory scum is supposed to be quiet and avoid that attention to avoid scumreads, so a scum member could do the exact opposite for towncred.
or at least that's how i understood it. i don't really scumread stargazer and the post doesn't ping me that much because it's literally just NAI, and i'm more confident about stargazer town than stargazer scum. also, they have the best vibes

Scum isn't really going to act in any particular way. Maybe in the context of one particular person playing a specific way ("meta"), but people who post a lot and grab attention can readily be scum too. You'd think starting out a game by loudly claiming to be a cop with an 87% chance of reflecting night actions would get you an awful lot of suspicion, but I've seen it work.

oh. okay, got it
huh this makes scumtells/towntells really unreliable now because everyone plays different

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grim: that's what we're talking about rn lol is where our reads are at.

ohhh okay

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Grim thinks that Furtive doesn't deserve a TR based off the mechanical error of thinking flipped scum means the other is confirmed town

interesting take

I think Drew's response to you is +town

agree with this entire second paragraph
tbh i think my reads are pretty similar to yours

aureal's posts just like, don't do anything so far from what we've seen. they just kinda. exist. that's about it.

yeah, they've been contributing less than furtive, and i already don't like furtive's play that much. do think furtive is a little higher than the way you played furt in your list though, i like how they've at least been talking

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for me it's like
me (conftown)
yall (strong tr)
lorne (slightly less strong tr, still solid)
drew (townlean)
sky (townlean, around the same as drew, maybe a little more maybe less)
furtive (medium null, slight townlean)
kitty (null, no posts)
aureal (trying to look like contributing but really is not)

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a little doubtful of my read on lorne, but i’d say that’s the place they are at the moment given they’ve posted and contributed and actually Talked to me and stuff. i like the way they read, it feels towny to me or at least feels like it comes from a town perspective

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also grim this is a little unrelated but i LOVE YOUR VIBES. you're /gen so cool i actually vibe with you a ton

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hey KittyTacky when you get onto the game can you provide your opinion on the players (especially furtive and lorne)

Furt probably town. I dunno about Lome except that if he's scum it's not with you. I'm still reading.

interesting okay
why do you think me and lorne aren't paired? can't we both just be town

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BTW I apologize for this massive deluge of posts, it's my style.

nah i do this too, dw

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I tend to miss game starts.

it's okay, dwai
i usually miss them too but hop in at around pg 2-3, but this time i was here for gamestart

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a little doubtful of my read on lorne, but i’d say that’s the place they are at the moment given they’ve posted and contributed and actually Talked to me and stuff. i like the way they read, it feels towny to me or at least feels like it comes from a town perspective

I only made 1 read

sorry no, meant that i liked the way you came off to me

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kt intro is +town, probably moves them up my readlist but not quite past sky/drew

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Drew scummy ngl.

what gave you this impression?

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btw, aureal, when you have time, can we have a readlist? pretty please with a cherry on top?

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you too drew, i wanna see your reads

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yeah, but "not paired" means you could be the wolf and i could be town, but i'm pretty sure you're not maf

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it kinda seems like kitty is keeping their options open over here idk maybe its just me

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yeah, but "not paired" means you could be the wolf and i could be town, but i'm pretty sure you're not maf

It's normal to make "not w/w" reads

oh. okay. my bad

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also on the maf/maf neighbor thing yall talked about earlier regarding furtive:
there's a 1/27 chance that maf gets paired together
i just wrote down a bunch of numbers on a paper (numbers 1-8, representing players) and i wrote out all of the possible pairings.
1 being paired with 2 is the same as 2 being paired with 1, so i'm only talking about unique pairings here btw. so there's 27 distinct possibilities, meaning that there's only one situation where mafia can be paired together
i don't think it's really 50/50 as you said it was. or maybe i misunderstood what you meant.

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oh yeah skyu can we get a readlist from you too

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WAIT i'm not voting aureal? bruh i swear i voted her
VOTE: aureal

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furtive, take on on oclaxian?

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why kt?

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also, your sky read is basically just a gutread, or at least that's what you've expressed about it. can we get some more substance? like are there any specific posts that pinged you, maybe asides from the one on page 3?

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like tbh to me sky feels more towny than scummy so i don't really get what you mean

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YEAHHH pagetop i'm so cool for that

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Why do you think Sky town?

They feel a little opportunistic by the way they're jumping around on wagons and stuff, especially their furtive vote, but for me, it's just sort of the energy and the vibe. So my opinion can definitely change if someone presents evidence, but for the time being, I think they're town. Also, they have good vibes and I like them for it.

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patchwork you see the good in us all

except aureal

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Non-voters vote someone (not me)

In case you glossed over it, I believe Aureal is at E-1. Holster your lolhammer.

Lorne, maybe this will motivate you.

VOTE: Lorne

aureal has two votes lol

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btw, aureal, when you have time, can we have a readlist? pretty please with a cherry on top?

I'm not typically much for doing this 'readlist' thing but since you asked nicely, in descending order of towniness:

Doctor Drew: leaning town as I feel pretty in sync with his attitude here (no I did not think his saying he "loved" Lorne's TR on patch meant he was saying it was townie), also furtive gave a meta-read that Drew is town and if furtive is scum he's probably not starting off the game with little but a TR on his partner

Oclaxian Empire: I don't agree with all their takes but asks good questions, seems to actually be trying to figure things out

Skygazer: mixed feelings, had to ISO her to even remember anything besides getting thrown off by Drew's sarcastic 'love', I don't love the talk about her neighbor being town and asking about neighbor claiming at the start but I did like the retort to Lorne about being able to change reads

patchwork: uuuuuuuuuuh I'm not nearly as sold on 'overeager town' as everyone else, I'm finding it hard to follow the deluge of posts, and the reaction to furtive's mistake seems like the sort of thing they'd say if scum partnered

Lorne Malvo: I did not like 94, kinda seemed like trying to direct the flow of the game, and the whole conversation about TRing patch to saying not to casually throw out townreads to acting very confident about it reads really oddly- I guess it's a serious read now but for a while there it seemed like some sort of game Lorne was playing

KittyTacky: I don't know where they're coming from with reads that are largely the opposite of how I feel and his reads give me nothing to work with to know why, also it seems kinda scummy the way he reacted to my massclaim joke

furtiveglance: possible scumslip, hasn't been much of a presence (and I kind of expect him to be a presence), and his 125 waffling on Lorne seems like the sort of thing he'd scumread

on me: agree on the overeager town thing, though how is what i said regarding furt's "slip" partnered? i was just saying i didnt wanna jump to conclusions, so i was going with occam's razor there and assuming it's a misread, like how korina and grim both thought maf could only be paired with town
on kt: are you placing them low because you dont agree, or for other reasons?
lorne: if theyre trying to guide conversation, ehat about me?
also is sky just a vibe read? /genq

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why arent u interested in the game lorne?

Just a mood thing I guess + I'm frankly useless day 1 (or however it longs it takes to flip a mafia)

lorne do u wanna be my thread mason (insert the pleading face emoji here) i can help you feel less useless uwu
okay, that was cringe but can we get some reads asides from your tr on me

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Is the pleading face the watery eyes one

yeah basically its like the puppy dog eyes one

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Could easily be a scum partner going "OMGWTF dude why did you say that, shut up about that and find something else to talk about so maybe they won't dig at it too much"

scum have their scum pt so why would they need to post smth like that in the thread?

I feel like patchwork especially would be inclined to just post their thoughts straight away right there to make sure it got to furtive where furtive was posting. Surely the existence of scum PTs doesn't mean scum only direct each other there? There was definitely some scum posting trying to guide the flailing partner in thread in the micro I just finished.

no not really

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I can confirm that patchwork is not my Mafia partner if that helps you at all.

haha, very funny

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though furtive you were so much more aggressive in 2113 whats going on here

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you feel a lot more passive tbh

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I just failed hard in 2 Newbie games and it's killing me

Ok fair

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also aureal ur literally reaching lol
i assure you i am not that dumb

also, hi drew! could we get some reads?

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also aureal ur literally reaching lol
i assure you i am not that dumb
m
also, hi drew! could we get some reads?

I drip my reads like a slow IV.

Aureal is my big scum read, Kor/Grim(I keep forgetting how to spell their username, so this will do for now lol) also feels a bit scummy.....I could see a world where Aureal and Kor/Grim are scum together actually.....their interactions seem a bit staged.

Lorne is almost trolling at this point, almost feel like they are just trying to see what they can get away with.....or just workshopping new playstyles as an alt. I lean a bit scummy, but also can be NAI. I wanna see more actual meat and potatoes from them.

Furt is gonna Furt, nothing jumped out at me one way or another. I am only familiar with their town game, so I will lean town for now on them.

Patch, you are prob town, probably.

Sky is like just floating by, not much to say here.

Kitty feels different then previous games, but just a gut read so far.

i think korina and grim both read pretty towny, actually. is your scumread on korina + headmates based just on grim's interaction with aureal? like are you scumreading them just because you think they're partnered, or are there other reasons? because you really only cite two posts, and to me, in those posts, it feels literally the exact same as grim's normalposting
oh wait maybe those posts were written by korina because no signature = kori

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hi sky! once you're done catching up, can we get some reads?

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My read on the interaction of Aureal/Ox is gut, just seems fake.

My read on Ox is based off the two posts I quoted, and that Korina would Know better as mod.

I think it means they could be scum buddies, but I also have independent scum reads on both of them.

alright tokay cool

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oh wait maybe those posts were written by korina because no signature = kori

grim: no anything that's typed like this is always me. i just have been lazy abt signing off my posts. kori types normally, so to speak.

oh, so they use grammar and you don't? got it

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Why do you think Sky town?

They feel a little opportunistic by the way they're jumping around on wagons and stuff, especially their furtive vote, but for me, it's just sort of the energy and the vibe. So my opinion can definitely change if someone presents evidence, but for the time being, I think they're town. Also, they have good vibes and I like them for it.

furtive vote was because they came in with mostly fluff and mechanical stuff; seemed like they were trying to appear helpful w/o trying to solve

alright, thanks for explaining it

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oclaxian comes across as kind of scummy to me bc they're posting a lot but their posting seems very inoffensive? it feels like they're just kind of throwing a lot out there to appear townie but come across as somewhat reserved to me

i actually disagree on this
like i get they're not really doing much but i think grim's posting is good and that they're trying to solve, just a little slower. also, grim's voting aureal, but can't really push her because she's just Not Been Here

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I have a question for the class, without naming names......

Do you think your Hood partner is scum?

no not really

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People who say this sort of thing make me sad.

it is generally true though

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The more I'm told to do something, the less the chance of me actually doing it
People being annoyed/angry gives me reason to keep not doing it

okay.... it'd be nice if you came back and did stuff when you have motivation though

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If you're both town then you aren't paired as I meant it. I thought it was clear I meant "paired as scum".

oh okay mb

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I am slightly autistic so I might take jokes like serious proposals sometimes. Sorry for that.

yo, i'm autistic too!

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Here’s a genuine question: what do people make of Lorne’s recent posting?

i don't like it idk why they don't want to contribute like maybe its just lack of motivation from town or scum trying to lurk
like i tr them at first for the strong entrance but now they're just very fuckign null their slot is slipsliding up and down like bro keeps hitting the chutes and ladders..,,

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Here’s a genuine question: what do people make of Lorne’s recent posting?

kind of neutral on it, i get the low motivation

wait, where did they say they had low motivation? /gen

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Grrrrrrr

I think Skygazer is Mafia

explain

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you said "vibes" and quoted a meme vote as your only form of proof

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grim: also everyone we wanna vote and push just isn’t here lol

lol same

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you said "vibes" and quoted a meme vote as your only form of proof

Furtive is town

yeah and what does that have to do with sky's towniness...????

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i asked furtive why they scumread sky and they were like "i told you before and you disagreed" and i responded with that
and you quoted me to talk about how furtive is town? like i agree but this is about sky

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ohh okay my bad

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ohh okay my bad

It isn't your bad, you just dont have enough confidence in yourself

i've gotten tunnelled very badly (in one game, by furtive themself) for behaviors that aren't really that scummy and based on personality so honestly it's kind of what you'd expect

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yeah i know i'm just like not willing to get tunneled over dumb shit again
glad everyone seems to tr me this game though because Oh Man

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People who say this sort of thing make me sad.

it is generally true though

According to whom?

me

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yeah i know i'm just like not willing to get tunneled over dumb shit again
glad everyone seems to tr me this game though because Oh Man

The only way to not get tunneled over dumb shit is to not play.

what does this mean + can you contribute

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aureal i would literally retract my vote on you if you provided a single readlist

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grim: kt, sky, lorne, and kinda u.

What do you base that on? Post count? Substance? Consistency of presence? I don't think that grouping of people fits in any, at least without including others as well.

kt is barely here and no one's really gotten to have a chance to converse with them properly, sky is active in bursts and it's hard to read her, lorne is refusing to be active, and you have yet to make a single post with actual substance

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It means what it means. It seems pretty obvious to me. You have no control over what the other players do. Ergo, the only way not to have something happen in the game is to not be in it.

okay sick, but can you contribute

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yeah i know i'm just like not willing to get tunneled over dumb shit again
glad everyone seems to tr me this game though because Oh Man

It's funny how you're so confused why I townread you and then you spew out posts like this

hey lorne... it'd be sick if you didn't just randompost and actually Participated In The Game!! like tbh i don't really care anymore but your presence would be appreciated
if you're scum please at least powerwolf smh

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aureal i would literally retract my vote on you if you provided a single readlist

You want another readlist???? It's hardly changed, though I'm strongly considering moving furtive up and voting Kitty instead. Maybe bump Oc up over Drew.

wait you posted one already? where is it

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that's embarrassing my bad

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Don't tell me what to do, and frankly don't tell anyone else what to do
I respect your confidence and dedication, but I'll post whatever I want

ok sorry ig

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you literally pushed furtive for a "scumslip" and didn't start any discussion over actual important things afterwards

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you literally pushed furtive for a "scumslip" and didn't start any discussion over actual important things afterwards

Trying to pursue leads on scum is not actual important things. Okay. Fine.

you haven't even been pushing him ?????

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like okay cool you've posted your readlist and you've voted furtive over a "scumslip" which could just as easily be a misread, but you're not giving him the benefit of the doubt. then, you vote him. you argue about it once, but never actively push him. if you really think he's scum, then why not try to convince us otherwise? is there any of his behaviors that have been scummy, had bad vibes, or something that's anti-town that went under the radar? if you want to get something out of him, why not lay down the pressure?
instead, you do none of that. instead, you go under the radar, and let your scumread get away.

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you're getting scumread for being under the radar....

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drowning out more thoughtful conversation

this literally hasn't been happening in the first place... literally half the slots are barely active, lorne isn't contributing and there's nothing we can do about it because i've been poking them and they just don't respond, you don't really do much when you're here, hell, even drew doesn't do that much! kt and sky aren't doing much, kt feels more like they're IIoAing.... like if you're so mad at me for wanting activity that's fine ig, but there literally isn't "thoughtful conversation" going on. if there were, i wouldn't be poking people all the time about reads, contribution, etc

This is not at all my style and you're frustrating me greatly with your expectations that I should be playing the way you do.

yeah we kind of got that but i'm going to be honest, i do expect you to follow through with your pushes or they're barely even pushes
now can you like...... push furtive or something
because that's kind of what i want to see here like can you explain Why you read them the way you do

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yay pagetop

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I guess you expect me to have it solved already or something.

no, we just want you to contribute a little more? like when you're online it'd be nice if you could follow through on questions you've made, furthered pushes you've made on players... you've just generally not been doing much, you've obviously been There but there's nothing substantial about your play

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So can I just say "vibes" like furtive did to explain his scumread and you'll think that's fine and dandy now?

no because furtive is weird for not even evidencing his scumread

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like it's fine if you say it's a viberead but at least point out the posts that pinged you a specific way or another, what felt weird to you, etc

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Kitty is obviously the non-presence in this game, not me.

this is true though

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hey drew what's your opinion on furtive, aureal, and oclaxian?

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hey drew what's your opinion on furtive, aureal, and oclaxian?

I literally have already said that Aureal and Oclax are my two main scum reads.

Furt I do lean town on, seems to be like he normally is from my experience.

what about kt?

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yes they definitely got buried by Patch.

sorry

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And have you seen scumPatch? I get it is a bit annoying, but more than likely is just who they are.

i have literally never had a scumgame on this site before
i fucking wish this were my scumgame i love being scum

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I liked getting their unfiltered thoughts, it felt v real and raw. The frustration seems townie to me

also on this im always very raw with my thoughts regardless of alignment, as maf i tend to respond with frustration when scumread or voted and its usually very genuine because im just good at slipping into the townie role
(believe it or not) one game i won as scum because i kept forgetting i was mafia-aligned. and yeah that Happened! i was a non-meeting mafia tho
so you really can't townread me for that really, it's nai at most
though i guess you don't know my meta so can't really blame you for thinking that of me

i found a quote from 2113 that sums up my meta pretty good, mods am i allowed to post this

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I also don't see what "thoughtful" conversation Patchwork is drowning out, when once again, half the fucking town isn't doing jack fucking shit.

thanks guys o7

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which is what seems to be the case with Patchwork too.

wait are you saying my neighbor isn't posting? maybe they are, but if they aren't how do you know that

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which is what seems to be the case with Patchwork too.

wait are you saying my neighbor isn't posting? maybe they are, but if they aren't how do you know that

Drel: You strike me as the same exact type of player Kori is, who would be hyperposting in the hood if your partner was actually replying in there.

um

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you're wrong

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look here buddy can we like... not talk about hoods because it kinda would suck if one of us got targeted and then i lost my night action

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look here buddy can we like... not talk about hoods because it kinda would suck if one of us got targeted and then i lost my night action

What night action are you afraid of losing?

my kill, obviously? if it gets taken away from me i lose all my power in the night and if i suspect someone i have to wait until day but i might not BE THERE fo rhte next day

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also aureal tell me you're OMGUSing me without telling me your OMGUSing me

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You are really anxious to kill someone it seems.

Are you already that confident in your reads, and in lockstep with your hood mate?

no not really but i do want to at least have my options open
and in case aureal isn't the hang for today i'm the one who's going to nk her

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actually it's a bad idea to announce my night action to the entire thread, my anonymous neighbor will kill her instead

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in my defense, it was funny

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in my defense, it was funny

You are nuanced enough to make a joke like this.

yes i am

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smug and full of it, like they're intentionally trying to rile me up.

not really, sorry if i offended you

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also drew out of curosity what about my joke is so scummy
like i don't see what you're seeing
it's funny to go "i'm not really that synced up with my neighborhood partner" and then go "well actually they will kill aureal for me"... is it not?

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Still thinking Oclax is town, I take it?

is this an oclaxian scumread?

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btw aureal me asking for activity isn't scummy it's literally nai at most, you are wrong on me
like i'm sorry that i've been drowning out "meaningful conversation" but most of the time when i posted those posts, nothing was going on at least from my perspective and that's why i wanted to prompt more discussion

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also yeah my read on aureal has definitely changed, scum would absolutely not try to push me (towniest player in the game) as a wagon, it's counterproductive to their goal when they could push someone easier like sky or kt. it's very towny in my eyes UNVOTE:

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glad we're seeing more aureal activity though! the main reason iu scumread her was for just not really doing much? like her early posts didn't have much substance, i could barely remember that she was even a part of this game, and the push on furtive wasn't even technically a push, but i like this a lot more.
readlist right now is probably
me
aureal
ox
sky
drew
furtive
kt
lorne

btw, furtive, i asked you earlier if you could quote some posts from sky that pinged you one way or another. could you do that when you have time? i'm interested in seeing your take on her

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glad we're seeing more aureal activity though! the main reason iu scumread her was for just not really doing much? like her early posts didn't have much substance, i could barely remember that she was even a part of this game, and the push on furtive wasn't even technically a push, but i like this a lot more.
readlist right now is probably
me
aureal
ox
sky
drew
furtive
kt
lorne

btw, furtive, i asked you earlier if you could quote some posts from sky that pinged you one way or another. could you do that when you have time? i'm interested in seeing your take on her

When did I become your top scumread?

just now obviously
if you don't want me to scumread don't appear whenever someone says something bad about you and yknow.... maybe actually do things? and this is not "drowning out conversation" btw, you've not been contributing at all for the entire game so far

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And Patch, I am voting you.....why does doing thay make Aureal super duper town yet I am way further down in your read list?

you're actually a townread, but i just townread sky and ox more than you. sorry for the lack of clarity

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So you are the self proclaimed 'Towniest Player in the Game!'

Nothing sketchy about saying that, nope definitely not.

i'm widely townread and i am town, therefore i am the towniest

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also drew out of curosity what about my joke is so scummy
like i don't see what you're seeing
it's funny to go "i'm not really that synced up with my neighborhood partner" and then go "well actually they will kill aureal for me"... is it not?

also thhis

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and yet you commented on my scumread of you anyways

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why me in specific huh

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also drew out of curosity what about my joke is so scummy
like i don't see what you're seeing
it's funny to go "i'm not really that synced up with my neighborhood partner" and then go "well actually they will kill aureal for me"... is it not?

also thhis

I don't see any humor there.

so you voted me because you didn't laugh?

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I think you slipped, then quickly tried to spin it.

how did i slip

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kori doesn't want me to post the tinfoil theory just yet, but i'm gonna post it anyways:

there's a thought that patchwork is deepwolfing, and aureal is aligned with patchwork, and the goal is to make the two seem unaligned, so if one flips, the other gets by undetected.

huh, interesting! tell me more

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also yeah my read on aureal has definitely changed, scum would absolutely not try to push me (towniest player in the game) as a wagon, it's counterproductive to their goal when they could push someone easier like sky or kt. it's very towny in my eyes UNVOTE:

this is also a really interesting post. scum can and will push townie players in the game. like. that's how you can start a bus on a partner.

really? in my eyes it seems counterproductive to wagon me because literally no one's going to try and wagon me, scum would probably go for easier miselims imo

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it could also be scum!aureal feels she doesn't really have any real avenue to survive and trying to cast doubt on a townie player is that way out. like... i don't get the point of that post.

i didn't actually think of that

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also, what does deepwolfing mean? /gen
i've seen the term used a few times on-site but i don't think there's a wiki page on it

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makes sense but i guarantee you i am town

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????? no? i'm just saying i'm basically universally townread, and scum would rather prefer to pursue a miselim that's easier to deal with, like targeting one of the inactives. however, aureal goes after me, which makes her vote seem more genuine and the whole iso is good too.

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I think you slipped, then quickly tried to spin it.

how did i slip

also, it'd be pretty sick if you told me how i "slipped". i don't see what you're seeing here.

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Nah, would prefer to let you feel the heat and paranoia.

that's funny because i feel absolutely none
you can keep your vote on me but you're 100% in the wrong

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is this a reaction test???

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ur word doesnt mean a whole lot tbh. its just a word. nothing more. that’s the funny thing abt mafia. i can claim town and it proves exactly nothing.

then how do i prove i'm town? because i did not actually "scumslip" and it's pretty ridiculous for drew to claim i did but then not push me for it

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i am

honestly i doubt i scumslipped. like if i scumslipped go ahead
out me to the entire thread and hammer me
but it's weird that you're not even doing that?? like drew if you scumread me that much at least push me smh
you're basically just claiming i'm scum but not even telling me why you think so, that's really dumb
back up your claims with reasoning

speaking of sound arguments, furtive you have yet to quote posts from sky that ping you, i forgot about this but you can't just go "i sr her for vibes /shrug"

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wdym self-aware

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like i dont know how to phrase it better? i didn't scumslip and im confused as to why you're saying i am. but on top of that ur not pushing me for it? it doesn't make sense

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ok at least you're explaining things

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i am

honestly i doubt i scumslipped. like

if i scumslipped go ahead

out me to the entire thread and hammer me
but it's weird that you're not even doing that?? like drew if you scumread me that much at least push me smh
you're basically just claiming i'm scum but not even telling me why you think so, that's really dumb
back up your claims with reasoning

speaking of sound arguments, furtive you have yet to quote posts from sky that ping you, i forgot about this but you can't just go "i sr her for vibes /shrug"

Uhh, slip number two in the bolded part?

what do u want me to do, put every time i say the word "scumslipped" in quotation marks
jfc

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i'm literally not emotional at all what lol

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like drew are you seriously going to push me on bad phrasing.... like this is abt me scumslipping. if im gonna defend myself obviously i have to ?? talk about it??? like if i scumslipped you should at least tell me how/why because i don't see it, it was supposed to be funny. and you're like "well ackshually you scumslipped and tried to turn it around" like ???? scumslip where, that post was a fucking joke that i made for laughs

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You are really anxious to kill someone it seems.

Are you already that confident in your reads, and in lockstep with your hood mate?

no not really but i do want to at least have my options open
and in case aureal isn't the hang for today i'm the one who's going to nk her

actually it's a bad idea to announce my night action to the entire thread, my anonymous neighbor will kill her instead

What......in the actual.....fuck......is this??

Explain why you shouldn't be power elimed right now?

VOTE: Patch

like buddy are you trying to get me to explain to you why i shouldn't be eliminated when i have no idea what i even did

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trying to change my meta. in 2112 i was sheeping too much and primarily independent on other people who i townread, which is a bad strategy, in 2113 i was generally shit at contributing and reacted only defensively, which didn't help my case when i got tunneled.
during this game, i'm trying for more of a balance, especially because the setup is different. i'm better at townhunting than i am at scumhunting, so i'm doing that first and finding people who i townread to rally with, but i'm also trying to promote discussion and get more reads on other players more this game as well.