Going back to about page 6..so I make sure not to miss anything.
I am getting a lot of heat for my suspicions of rofl early in the game. I gets votes basically based on my gut. I openly admit that my vote and suspicions are “reaching” and gut driven, because we are early in the game…actually fresh out of the random vote stage. I find it funny how people feel that is scummy to vote on your gut during page 5 of Day 1….now people are not going to admit it, but the fact that you are voting me, is based on a gut instinct (unless you are scum and looking for something easy) that is telling you my gut vote is scummy…but going to move beyond that.
If I need to address again my early suspicions on rofl I will do so…
Post 137, vollkan votes me because of my gut vote, later (I think I read this, will have to read again to make sure) he calls that a joke vote.. ..if that is the case, that joke vote remained on me while I was up to -1 and still remains on me. My problems with this vote was I know vollkan has a problem with gut votes, but still categories my vote as gut anyway. I have (in plenty of games) gut voted and vollkan has never once attacked me for it. I find it strange now (as of page 6) there is a wagon on me he took THIS time to vote me and attack me for it. Explain.
Post 142
Korts wrote:CKD's vote seems to root in OMGUS. After you've justified your suspicion of rofl with "page 4 gut", why do you feel the need for rofl to justify his read on des?
Not sure how my vote on rofl was OMGUS when I voted him first (which started this whole mess).
Post 143
destructor wrote:
ckd wrote:and Des, you are voting me why?..becauase you think it is noise?
I think it's an unreasonably reachy argument. There is no reason arguments and cases have to be weak just because it's early in the game. What you're doing isn't even prodding and probing.
It is reaching…but NOT THAT reachy. It was early in the game…I upgraded my random vote (korts) to rofl who I felt might be making some scummy posts…and while you deem this as not prodding or probing, look at the reaction to come out of it. Now, I am not saying I did this for a reaction, but I didn’t do it to be safe either. I would not have advocated lynching rofl at the moment based on that, but it was enough for me to change my vote.
destructor wrote:
ckd wrote:I stated several times it wasnt a case...I am not trying to parade it as anything else
I don't buy this. It's like you're saying you're only testing the waters. Here are some quotes:
The quotes are in post 143 if anyone needs them. The initial vote was gut…but when he refused to back up his words..when he fed me a bunch of bullshit like “there is a difference between acting town and being town” without explain it and how YOU were doing it…after he was being evasive..then the gut vote became stronger.
destructor wrote:
ckd wrote:it looks like someone trying to LOOK like they are doing something without really doing anything.
What do you make of Korts' contributions before page 5?
Nothing..couple jokes..random votes…he wasn’t doing much of anything..but that was what most of goes on Day 1 in the first pages of a game…it was different in rofl play…I assume you are asking me about Korts at this point because I had my random vote on him…but what did anybody do in the first 5 pages of the game…other than BM spamming the thread..nothing really got this game going until my attack of rofl.
Post 163
Kison wrote:
*shrug* There are very few players who I am going to give leeway towards, but she happens to be one of them. It's not that I find it 'acceptable', but I'm far less willing to assume that DrippingGoofball in particular making ridiculous statements of that sort indicates one way or another that she is scum or town. I don't know how to read her, and I think you'll find that many people in this game who've played with her before know that she has a very unusual demeanor.
QFT
Post 172
roflcopter wrote:
ckd, kison: how does bm's declaration that ckd is protown differ from my own about des, and why has it gone ignored by you two up to this point?
you mean the statement he made during a spamming frenzy in between jokes and votes on page 2? Did you take that seriously? Should I have not taken your clearing of Des seriously?..I fail to see how they are similar…
post 195
Guardian wrote:
This is supposed to be such a stellar cast -- we seem to have largely spam'd/noise'd our way to page 8 in two days. Short page lengths are better for towns -- in reality, people are not going to re-read 40 page day ones as well as they read 15 page day ones.
Please cut out the garbage -- it is unhelpful and suspcious. Posting a lot of nothing can make you look like you are scum hunting, being active, thinking about the game, etc. when you aren't.
I am especially annoyed with BM and rofl for this, off the top of my head. BM you need to re-read the thread and come up with something logical, and stop the knee-jerk voting reactions that seem to come three times a page.
rofl, when asked a question that you see that you are being asked, either refuse to answer it and move on (worse option), or answer it immediately (better option). Don't draw it out over a dozen posts where you get into a debate with others where you explain why you are refusing when you could just answer (worst option, one that you chose).
QFT
Post 214
destructor wrote:
The Korts-ckd connection became more evident when Korts talked about ckd's motives with so much confidence (
Post 161). He describes ckd's case on rofl as OMGUS, ignoring the fact that ckd voted rofl before this could have been a factor. Why isn't Korts questioning the legitimacy of ckd's reasoning prior to his exchange with rofl? I think it's because he's scum trying to slow his buddy's wagon down, or possibly scum who knows ckd is town.
You make good observations/theories here. My reaction to rofl wasn’t a knee jerk, but I can see maybe how one might think that. I was mostly angered how rofl refused to answer my question and only through out more crap…then I was upset that no one else really seemed to see what I was seeing (at the time) I agree with your thoughts here though…it is easy for people to say “I agree with X” if someone knows that X is town and is getting ready to get hung…it might by the town creds later…is that what Korts is doing?..I don’t know…but like I have said, those who scream X is town the most, is probably scum…
Post 215, vollkan says it was a joke vote. Did you give me any indication that your vote was a joke?
Not sure why vollkan vote is still on me at this point…it was a joke vote, then you talk about a double standard..do you feel I am now scummy because you perceive me as a hypocrite?
Post 220, Guardian has a great post in reference to DGB
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Interesting how so much conversation is revolving around me and people links (be it defending or attacking ) to me…especially because no one is suppose to know my alignment yet…ok, got to do some chores before the wifey gets home…
This update brings me up to about page 10…
Going to attack the rest tonight (3-4 hours from now??)at one point…