Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Yeah

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Need to prod dodge because World Cup + work has me dead

some cursory thoughts are that RR seems very unlikely to be Lunar with MMR, so theyre probably town. Toog said something earlier that makes him a bit townie

I think I’d be ok with wagons furtive or Enchant

Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

[furtiveglance]

I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

[furtiveglance]

My reads are actually good this game

[Cat Scratch Fever]

people just pushing their one top scumread is making is hard for me to get more townreads, since either faction can do that. We should probably be teamsolving? I’ll try to flesh out a readslist tomorrow - if nothing else, it can help track who cannot be which faction

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I swear Firebringer, Toogeloo and Ydrasse are just all scum

What do you think of 4898?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

I'm not really sure

I think if there IS recruitment it's likely to be heavily limited (per Meg's statement that bastard elements are 'kept to a minimum')

If all the attunement stuff is legit then I think it's likely that attunement would have something to do with whether a player could be recruited by a particular scumteam because that makes sense as a design choice

I'm mostly scumhunting as though it's 11-3-3 and there's not recruitment until we have more credible reason to suspect otherwise though because those are nice round scumhuntable teams

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Basically scumteams of 2 feel cheap to me because they have very little vested interest in things that aren't survival and they blur the line between town and scum behaviour, especially in multiball
So I'd rather assume we're at least dealing with 3 on each team. And if there's less than that, then I guess that's more power to us

[furtiveglance]

i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

Probably unwnd idk i gave this game 3 braincells max

Am i a shot candidate

Honestly no. You said something yesterday that makes me think you’re town but antitown to highlight

Wat did i say

Ydrasse posts either to harass me or subtweet while was harassing me

i’m playing to wincon

MathBlade come on. This is far lower than the bar Ydrasse usually sets.

@furtiveglance

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Give this a read-through. If your argument is that Ydrasse is scum because she wouldn't 'set the bar' this low as town, I believe this game is a counterexample.

I'm not necessarily arguing that this is a case for her being *town*, but I do believe it provides an alternative to the worldview you've stated where you think she's just given up scum.

I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

[Ydrasse]

Furtive sometimes I just play like this as town and given the setup and general vibe this was an excellent game to be low energy in
I also play like this as scum sometimes too it’s all relative to how i feel about a game, setup, and other stuff

You would benefit a lot more looking elsewhere

[Ydrasse]

But if you want to like go down that route i do think you should try to flesh out like, who i’m scum with rather than laser focusing on me

there’s a lot of people calling me town, are they my team?

(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

[Ydrasse]

(screams with the effort of effort)

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I played with Town Ydrasse. This is not it

Okay. I've played with Town Ydrasse too and this really easily could be it.
It's disappointing that you've had evidence placed in front of you and instead of looking at it and then telling me it doesn't apply, are instead just refusing to engage with it entirely

[Meuh]

DDS can be town too

[Meuh]

Klick, do you think there’s recruitment in this game?

I'm not really sure

I think if there IS recruitment it's likely to be heavily limited (per Meg's statement that bastard elements are 'kept to a minimum')

If all the attunement stuff is legit then I think it's likely that attunement would have something to do with whether a player could be recruited by a particular scumteam because that makes sense as a design choice

I'm mostly scumhunting as though it's 11-3-3 and there's not recruitment until we have more credible reason to suspect otherwise though because those are nice round scumhuntable teams

Basically scumteams of 2 feel cheap to me because they have very little vested interest in things that aren't survival and they blur the line between town and scum behaviour, especially in multiball
So I'd rather assume we're at least dealing with 3 on each team. And if there's less than that, then I guess that's more power to us

This reads like a town POV

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

[furtiveglance]

(I’m currently dubious towards your intentions though i believe town you could get stuck on a bad tunnel so i want to see you actually give thought to your ideas)
(Also though you seem highly uninteractive with your reads and then get pissy when suspected so i’m ? about you overall)

Basically this. I've seen town!furtive engage like this before but I've got no issue seeing this as scum!furtive trying to imitate that energy

Yeah I have been highly uninteractive with my reads. I feel detached from the whole game. People aren't listening to me, and I'm right. Mathblade is dominating the game and it's bad for town because their reads (if they're town) are bad. So yeah. I just want to vote out Firebringer Toog and Ydrasse really. If you guys are saying no to Ydrasse then vote Firebringer instead.

VOTE: Firebringer

[T-Bone]

So lemme get this straight. You think we’re Solar scum and Dangle is Lunar scum defending us. Makes perfect sense.

Correct. Yes. No facepalm required.

You can't be serious.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

@ furtive

I agree with a lot of what you have said, in particular MathBlade needs like 600 less posts if he wants anyone to want to engage with the thread

Engage with what I've said though because I'm trying to get a sense of genuine thought from you and it's not reassuring that you won't have a skim through an ISO that will provide some perspective on someone you claim is definitely scum for specific reasons

Listening is a two-way street

[T-Bone]

I'll be honest I've been wanting to naked vote Mathblade for some time but all that is stopping me is that unlike most players we know he can only be aligned with one scum team.

[T-Bone]

Before you @me you didn't resolve mastina/PPF with your shot and have been posting nonsense since (see#4942 as my latest example). So yeah, you've dropped pretty heavily on my town aligned playerlist.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

The problem is he isn't scum
The things that are widely disliked about how he's currently playing are the reasons he isn't scum

[T-Bone]

I'm not willing to go through the Math rabbit hole yet since again, he can only be on one scum team, but I want it to be known where I stand there.

[T-Bone]

Also I've given you all cover if some of you are also reconsidering your town read. You're welcome!

[Scarfmanship]

I have to do a lot of work to convince myself furitive is town which makes me feel bad for him if he is, since he actually posts in the game. My progression on furitive has been as this:

day 1: he's doing stuff, probably down (oops, in hindsight he hard defended MMR until they crumbled, whatever)
day 2: he's doing nothing and his reads don't feel like they've meaningfully or naturally progressed, feels brittle and made up
day 3: furitive has gained an unwarranted self confidence and his agenda is to kill the lowest activity slots in the game. [minus enchant ig]

i would rather kill toogeloo today if we don't do PPF, but we will do PPF.

VOTE: PPF

Confirm yourself then. Bet you won't

This is a pretty awful interaction, especially as this vote isn't even there anymore.

So questions to furitive:

1. Explain your vote/scumread on me, if you even still have one. To me it looks like you scumread me day 1 for good reason, but as I gained more credibility, you have been afraid to change that for fear of looking inconsistent.
2. Explain your thoughts on PPF. Remember when you posted this one day 1?

6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - strong TR. I think this slot will either become obvtown or get voted out, so I'm not too worried. As in if this slot is scum, they'll just 1) stop posting as much and 2) start treading water.

Damn, you nailed PPF! That's exactly what they're doing! So.... why is it more important that we vote out a lurker?
3. Explain in more detail your scumreads, because as pointed out they are all low activity slots. Ydrasse is scum who has given up? Under what pressure? Scum is doing fine, they only lost one guy on one team.
4. opinion on t-bone?
5. opinion on enchant? What makes enchant different than ydrasse, firebringer, and toogeloo?